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On August 15 2009 01:06 Fr33t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 00:33 qaswedfr25 wrote:Week of Jaedong wasn't all bad I guess  It's been quite a while since the week of jaedong...The week of Jaedong was JD winning the super ace in CJ/OZ and advancing in both the OSL/MSL. It did not include the GF and certainly did not include the semi finals of both leagues.
"-Do you have any last words?
▲The fans have been very worried about me. Since I have been playing many games in the proleague, they worried that I might carelessly leave out the individual leagues but since I have advanced, I will show my good form in the round of 4. Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong"."
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I can't describe how badly I wanted Fantasy to win but something makes me somewhat happy that Jaedong is still doing well.
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booooooo  ! I wanted fantasy to win soo bad!
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On August 14 2009 21:02 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer thats the most overgeneralizing assumption I have ever read. You cant even speak korean but certainly you know what is most important to every progamer...
Proleague matters the most because players spend the most time practicing for it. Even Jaedong said he barely practiced for MSL quarters against Canata because he was practicing for PL.
If you ask any progamer would they rather win an OSL or the Proleague Finals Ace Match, it's pretty easy choice -- they'd pick PL.
Just think about it, one of these happens once a year instead of 4 times, and you're playing with all these other people counting on you. Just because you arbitrarily believe that OSL is better doesn't make it true.
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LOL. JD best of the best all time? I still don't see him as the best Zerg of all time, let alone the best player ever. When the fuck has JD gold grand slammed, huh?
He's good amazingly good, but a lot of people seem tob e riding his cock lately. He's anything but invincible.
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On August 15 2009 01:31 Mortality wrote:
LOL. JD best of the best all time? I still don't see him as the best Zerg of all time, let alone the best player ever. When the fuck has JD gold grand slammed, huh?
He's good amazingly good, but a lot of people seem tob e riding his cock lately. He's anything but invincible.
If he wins this OSL I will without any doubt call him the best Zerg ever, and he would be a serious candidate for ''Best SC-player of all time'' as well.
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On August 15 2009 01:27 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 21:02 damenmofa wrote:On August 14 2009 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer thats the most overgeneralizing assumption I have ever read. You cant even speak korean but certainly you know what is most important to every progamer... Proleague matters the most because players spend the most time practicing for it. Even Jaedong said he barely practiced for MSL quarters against Canata because he was practicing for PL. If you ask any progamer would they rather win an OSL or the Proleague Finals Ace Match, it's pretty easy choice -- they'd pick PL. Just think about it, one of these happens once a year instead of 4 times, and you're playing with all these other people counting on you. Just because you arbitrarily believe that OSL is better doesn't make it true.
Am I the only one who thinks JD didn't really mean it when he said PL is most important? I mean I dunno about you guys but if I were JD I would focus WAY more on my own leagues than the team league. I have a suspicion that he just said that (practices almost solely for PL) to try to scare CJ/make himself look good. Do we (as foreigners who only read translated articles/interviews and don't really know what it's like to be a progamer) know for SURE that most players prioritize PL over individual leagues?
While it's true the PL finals are far less frequent, there's not nearly as much glory in it as in winning an individual league, even GOM!
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On August 15 2009 01:13 Matoo- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:06 Fr33t wrote:On August 15 2009 00:33 qaswedfr25 wrote:Week of Jaedong wasn't all bad I guess It's been quite a while since the week of jaedong...The week of Jaedong was JD winning the super ace in CJ/OZ and advancing in both the OSL/MSL. It did not include the GF and certainly did not include the semi finals of both leagues. "-Do you have any last words? ▲The fans have been very worried about me. Since I have been playing many games in the proleague, they worried that I might carelessly leave out the individual leagues but since I have advanced, I will show my good form in the round of 4. Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong"."
Quoting an article from two weeks ago kind of disproves your point. The week that he said that (7/27 - 8/2) he beat canata in the msl, zero in the osl, and effort in day 1 and the super ace.
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i don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but its the classic lose one game first then win next three games in row symptom that jaedong used to exhibit quite often in bo5s haha
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On August 15 2009 01:38 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:27 Hot_Bid wrote:On August 14 2009 21:02 damenmofa wrote:On August 14 2009 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer thats the most overgeneralizing assumption I have ever read. You cant even speak korean but certainly you know what is most important to every progamer... Proleague matters the most because players spend the most time practicing for it. Even Jaedong said he barely practiced for MSL quarters against Canata because he was practicing for PL. If you ask any progamer would they rather win an OSL or the Proleague Finals Ace Match, it's pretty easy choice -- they'd pick PL. Just think about it, one of these happens once a year instead of 4 times, and you're playing with all these other people counting on you. Just because you arbitrarily believe that OSL is better doesn't make it true. Am I the only one who thinks JD didn't really mean it when he said PL is most important? I mean I dunno about you guys but if I were JD I would focus WAY more on my own leagues than the team league. I have a suspicion that he just said that (practices almost solely for PL) to try to scare CJ/make himself look good. Do we (as foreigners who only read translated articles/interviews and don't really know what it's like to be a progamer) know for SURE that most players prioritize PL over individual leagues? While it's true the PL finals are far less frequent, there's not nearly as much glory in it as in winning an individual league, even GOM!
Actually I I'm pretty sure JD really meant that he wanted to win PL
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On August 15 2009 01:43 crazie-penguin wrote:
i don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but its the classic lose one game first then win next three games in row symptom that jaedong used to exhibit quite often in bo5s haha
Has been mentioned 18 times.
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On August 15 2009 01:42 Fr33t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:13 Matoo- wrote:On August 15 2009 01:06 Fr33t wrote:On August 15 2009 00:33 qaswedfr25 wrote:Week of Jaedong wasn't all bad I guess It's been quite a while since the week of jaedong...The week of Jaedong was JD winning the super ace in CJ/OZ and advancing in both the OSL/MSL. It did not include the GF and certainly did not include the semi finals of both leagues. "-Do you have any last words? ▲The fans have been very worried about me. Since I have been playing many games in the proleague, they worried that I might carelessly leave out the individual leagues but since I have advanced, I will show my good form in the round of 4. Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong"." Quoting an article from two weeks ago kind of disproves your point. The week that he said that (7/27 - 8/2) he beat canata in the msl, zero in the osl, and effort in day 1 and the super ace.
Use today's interview! I posted it
It took me like an hour, so if you guys don't read it, I will be sad =/
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On August 14 2009 20:59 Carnac wrote:
Fantasy should have expected Jaedong to continue to make lings, because that's pretty much the only thing Zerg can do after a 4 pool unless he killed tons of SCVs. You can't catch up in economy if you are on 3 drones (Fantasy had 10 SCVs after he defended for the first time).
You're making the mistake in that Fantasy knew it was a 4 pool.
He very well could've thought that JD went 5 pool, and was trying to catch up in economics. =/
Also, JD went above and looked like he was about to try and kill some SCVs. Fantasy then might've been trying to stack them, because if he lost SCVs until he only had like 4 left, and he thinks JD went 5 pool, then in his mind, JD could've caught up economically.
But still, Fantasy did get really greedy and didn't keep scvs by his bunker.
Also, he could've lifted the CC to heal it...
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On August 15 2009 01:38 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:27 Hot_Bid wrote:On August 14 2009 21:02 damenmofa wrote:On August 14 2009 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer thats the most overgeneralizing assumption I have ever read. You cant even speak korean but certainly you know what is most important to every progamer... Proleague matters the most because players spend the most time practicing for it. Even Jaedong said he barely practiced for MSL quarters against Canata because he was practicing for PL. If you ask any progamer would they rather win an OSL or the Proleague Finals Ace Match, it's pretty easy choice -- they'd pick PL. Just think about it, one of these happens once a year instead of 4 times, and you're playing with all these other people counting on you. Just because you arbitrarily believe that OSL is better doesn't make it true. Am I the only one who thinks JD didn't really mean it when he said PL is most important? I mean I dunno about you guys but if I were JD I would focus WAY more on my own leagues than the team league. I have a suspicion that he just said that (practices almost solely for PL) to try to scare CJ/make himself look good. Do we (as foreigners who only read translated articles/interviews and don't really know what it's like to be a progamer) know for SURE that most players prioritize PL over individual leagues? While it's true the PL finals are far less frequent, there's not nearly as much glory in it as in winning an individual league, even GOM!
I kind of agree with this.
If someone asks you if you practise for your own personal tournament or the finals of the "once a year team-league" of course you are going to respond the team league. Saying anything else is social suicide.
So to depend on official interviews or statements in this case is almost worthless in my mind.
Obviously it depend on how deep you are in both tournaments. If you are in the OSL final and have a mid-season pro-league game the day after obviously no sane pro-gamer gives any amount of time to the pro-league game. And vice versa I guess (even though worthless games rarely occur in MSL or OSL)...
In the end, generally I think both managers, coaches, sponsors and players prefer a player to win an individual league if the choice has to be either or. Also SKT without Fantasy is way better than Oz without Jaedong... So letting Fantasy rest from pro-league practise is no doubt an easier choice than letting Jaedong rest. It's certainly not set in stone how the teams work this out in my opinion.
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On August 15 2009 01:42 Fr33t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:13 Matoo- wrote:On August 15 2009 01:06 Fr33t wrote:On August 15 2009 00:33 qaswedfr25 wrote:Week of Jaedong wasn't all bad I guess It's been quite a while since the week of jaedong...The week of Jaedong was JD winning the super ace in CJ/OZ and advancing in both the OSL/MSL. It did not include the GF and certainly did not include the semi finals of both leagues. "-Do you have any last words? ▲The fans have been very worried about me. Since I have been playing many games in the proleague, they worried that I might carelessly leave out the individual leagues but since I have advanced, I will show my good form in the round of 4. Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong"." Quoting an article from two weeks ago kind of disproves your point. The week that he said that (7/27 - 8/2) he beat canata in the msl, zero in the osl, and effort in day 1 and the super ace.
You mean you believe that when he said "I will make this week the week of Jaedong", he was actually referring to what already happened? Sounds far too smug from someone like JD to me. Since this interview was just after his qualification for ro4, I firmly believe that he was referring to winning the upcoming PL finals as well as OSL and MSL ro4.
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On August 15 2009 01:45 Fr33t wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:38 Ideas wrote:On August 15 2009 01:27 Hot_Bid wrote:On August 14 2009 21:02 damenmofa wrote:On August 14 2009 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer thats the most overgeneralizing assumption I have ever read. You cant even speak korean but certainly you know what is most important to every progamer... Proleague matters the most because players spend the most time practicing for it. Even Jaedong said he barely practiced for MSL quarters against Canata because he was practicing for PL. If you ask any progamer would they rather win an OSL or the Proleague Finals Ace Match, it's pretty easy choice -- they'd pick PL. Just think about it, one of these happens once a year instead of 4 times, and you're playing with all these other people counting on you. Just because you arbitrarily believe that OSL is better doesn't make it true. Am I the only one who thinks JD didn't really mean it when he said PL is most important? I mean I dunno about you guys but if I were JD I would focus WAY more on my own leagues than the team league. I have a suspicion that he just said that (practices almost solely for PL) to try to scare CJ/make himself look good. Do we (as foreigners who only read translated articles/interviews and don't really know what it's like to be a progamer) know for SURE that most players prioritize PL over individual leagues? While it's true the PL finals are far less frequent, there's not nearly as much glory in it as in winning an individual league, even GOM! Actually I I'm pretty sure JD really meant that he wanted to win PL
Yeah i think Jaedong was overly nervous for the PL final and thats why he didn't play up to his standarts . Not to mention that fantasy throw him off the first game with those 2 barracks rush . Overall i still think Jaedong is the better player . His team dependts on him way more then SKT is on fantasy and that puts a lot of pressure on Jaedong to win every game in PL and thats why he lost that and the fact that fantasy cheesed him in both games . Carring OZ to finals of PL is amazing in it self considering their bench of players is build solely to support JD  . He doesn't have a Bisu in his team to take some of the pressure of him to bring the victory every match . If it was a Bo5 series JD would have beaten fantasy to take that PL final , but the fact that it was a Bo 1s cheese can always net you a win here and there or throw you off balance in timings .
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Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong"."
I'm pretty sure he was saying that the week of JD had already started and that winning the PL match against CJ would complete it.
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games 3 & 4 arent games at all
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On August 15 2009 02:04 Fr33t wrote:Show nested quote +Since the very important proleague is left, I will make this week the "Week of Jaedong"." I'm pretty sure he was saying that the week of JD had already started and that winning the PL match against CJ would complete it.
Yep, I just checked the dates again and I realized I had them mixed up. You are most probably right.
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On August 15 2009 01:38 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2009 01:27 Hot_Bid wrote:On August 14 2009 21:02 damenmofa wrote:On August 14 2009 20:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer thats the most overgeneralizing assumption I have ever read. You cant even speak korean but certainly you know what is most important to every progamer... Proleague matters the most because players spend the most time practicing for it. Even Jaedong said he barely practiced for MSL quarters against Canata because he was practicing for PL. If you ask any progamer would they rather win an OSL or the Proleague Finals Ace Match, it's pretty easy choice -- they'd pick PL. Just think about it, one of these happens once a year instead of 4 times, and you're playing with all these other people counting on you. Just because you arbitrarily believe that OSL is better doesn't make it true. Am I the only one who thinks JD didn't really mean it when he said PL is most important? I mean I dunno about you guys but if I were JD I would focus WAY more on my own leagues than the team league. I have a suspicion that he just said that (practices almost solely for PL) to try to scare CJ/make himself look good. Do we (as foreigners who only read translated articles/interviews and don't really know what it's like to be a progamer) know for SURE that most players prioritize PL over individual leagues? While it's true the PL finals are far less frequent, there's not nearly as much glory in it as in winning an individual league, even GOM!
You just don't understand. That's just the way it is in Korea. The team league is the most important thing, and a large factor in that is because your team is the one paying you and supplying you with your living. Not only that, the Proleague Grand Finals at Pusan are the most watched SC event there is. The pecking order is PL>OSL>MSL>GSL. Yes, all of them are important, but PL is by far the most important.
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