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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36370 Posts
August 07 2009 16:56 GMT
#2721
On August 08 2009 01:49 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:47 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
SKT back on the throne

what do you mean, back?

SKT1 has always been the Kings of Proleague.

not in the last few years...

its really a return -- they were pretty bad for a little while
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66071 Posts
August 07 2009 16:56 GMT
#2722
Trying to be a bit picky but are there VODs with the OGN casters casting it?
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 07 2009 16:57 GMT
#2723
oh konadora, You're a vulture ! <orgasm>
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 07 2009 16:58 GMT
#2724
On August 08 2009 01:56 konadora wrote:
Trying to be a bit picky but are there VODs with the OGN casters casting it?

Does Daum have them? It sounded like there were two sets of casters going on.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 07 2009 17:01 GMT
#2725
DOH
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66071 Posts
August 07 2009 17:03 GMT
#2726
On August 08 2009 01:58 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:56 konadora wrote:
Trying to be a bit picky but are there VODs with the OGN casters casting it?

Does Daum have them? It sounded like there were two sets of casters going on.

in the nevake VODs, MBC casters are doing dubs over the OGN dudes. But I personally prefer to listen to OGN commentator's casts so.. :p

I'll try looking up at Daum later.
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
August 07 2009 17:04 GMT
#2727
On August 08 2009 01:49 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:47 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
SKT back on the throne

what do you mean, back?

SKT1 has always been the Kings of Proleague.


are you kidding me ? Last time SKT won the proleague, it was still called "Sky ProLeague". And it was with the old generation (Boxer, oov, kingdom, gorush ...)
Terran & Potato Salad.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66071 Posts
August 07 2009 17:10 GMT
#2728
On August 08 2009 01:56 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:49 konadora wrote:
On August 08 2009 01:47 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
SKT back on the throne

what do you mean, back?

SKT1 has always been the Kings of Proleague.

not in the last few years...

its really a return -- they were pretty bad for a little while

was just a fanboy-ist statement :p
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QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
August 07 2009 17:14 GMT
#2729
So does JD losing to fantasy here kinda count as the first game in their BO5? Meaning he is already in angry mode and can win 3-0 now?
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 17:16:29
August 07 2009 17:14 GMT
#2730
On August 08 2009 01:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:22 BanZu wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:45 geod wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:28 geod wrote:
On August 07 2009 23:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 07 2009 23:21 alt.tday wrote:
Can anyone tell me what happened in Fantasy vs Jaedong game???? I just watched it but I dont get why JD lost....


It seems almost inevitable that if a zerg who grabs the double gas doesn't take a turtle terran down with his quick, high gas army, then the Terran will win. It's way too easy for Terran to set up shop at the mineral onlys, and the main and nat are plenty of gas for tons of Vessels and a sizeable tank force.

Jaedong, honestly, probably would've won if he'd gone Mutas for massive harass. Fantasy had like no turrets and a weak MnM force. But he fell into the trapping that is the double gas expo.


Lol, which game have you seen? Fantasy didn't turtle at all, he is very agressive through the whole game! He outexpands Jeadong at mid game and gathers enough resources advantage for the last tank push. And Fantasy doesn't have many turrets because Jeadong does't go mutas harass not the other way around lol.


Um, expanding to your backyard for the first 2/3rds of the game before going for the second main is not aggressive. Fantasy was turtling -- he had a factory and all his tanks shoved inside his nat up until the last like 5 minutes of the game. He pushed out as soon as he had a macro'd up army, but the dude turtled after the Bunker Rush -- for good reason! "Turtling" isn't a bad thing, it's what you have to do to stay alive after failing an 8rax.

Also 'turtling' and pushing out aren't mutually exclusive. But when you've got a third of your supply in tanks sitting behind a wall at your nat, that's pretty turtled.


I repeats which game have you seen? If there is a player turtling, this is Jeadong with fast hive fast goardian, mass sunken. Bunker rush, bunker break, mass dropship harass, push out constantly, outexpanding zerg are turtling? And Fantasy doesn't start producing tank until the second half of the game!


Uggghhh I'm talking about the absolutely massive tankline and back up bio force that never left his nat until he went for the final blow. It's impossible for a zerg to break defense that tight when there's an MnM force on the map. Like I said, turtling and pushing aren't mutually exclusive in a game. By the time Jaedong had higher tech units, there's absolutely no way to break that force. If you noticed, Jaedong completely dismantled Fantasy's in-the-field MnM force several times, but not once could he come close to breaking into Fantasy's nat because of the rock solid defense. Fantasy played incredibly smart, even if his SK is a little sloppy. Playing smart sometimes means having 5 tanks and a control group of mnm + 1~3 vessels at your nat entrance, go figure.

Jesus I'm not even insulting Fantasy -- I'm complimenting his wits, and yet you guys still somehow take offense. Hell I even predicted this would happen (Fantasy opening with a prepared build to snipe Jaedong in a close call), I'm totally with the Fantasy crowd here. =\

You're obviously using the term "turtling" incorrectly here. Keep defenses at home is not turtling at all.

What if I have horrible multi-task, I suck at re-hotkeying my army, and I forget about my army back at home? That'll leave me with a ton of units back at home. Does that mean I'm turtling?

Turtling = playing defensively
Turtling =/= leaving units at home

You could argue that the putting of tanks at his natural was turtling but come on, you can't just ignore the fact that Fantasy was not only harassing JD's expos but also going toe-to-toe with JD in the center of the map.


Well he was definitively turtling as soon as the Bunker Rush ended, and everytime he lost his expeditionary force (Lots of times) he kept crammed in his base for a couple minutes, where he was never threatened because he had half his army there anyhow. Outsider, with it's double back door accessible expansions lends itself to just sitting back, throwing up a monster defense, macroing up, pushing up, rinse, repeat, and Fantasy did that very well.

So waiting properly for an army that can actually survive outside one's own base is turtling? Trust me on this one, you're not using the word correctly.

You might as well say that everyone turtles in every single game.

EDIT: Lol, cept games that rely on pressuring the opponent early game. Guys, all late-game players are turtlers! Flash isn't alone!
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 17:23:41
August 07 2009 17:15 GMT
#2731
On August 08 2009 00:02 AlTheCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2009 23:59 Nylan wrote:
My thoughts on this LR thread:

Games 1 and 3:

"OMG <SKT Player> sucks! WTF are they doing? LOL EPIC FAIL!!!!

...
...
...where'd all those units come from?"

Game 2:

"Canata sucks" ---> Lomo sucks Canata wins

Game 4:

GALAXY CRUSHERRRRRRRRRRR (w/ 40% of posts being about Hyuk's ceremony)



Happy Jaedong Week

Jesus, your team won and you're still butthurt?

God damn fanboys.


How is that butthurt? I think it's hilarious. Arrogant anti-fans get what's coming to them.
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway456 Posts
August 07 2009 17:16 GMT
#2732
Does anyone know if theres gonna be a 2 hours preshow before the games actually start tomorrow aswell?

(need to cut work hours if so )
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
August 07 2009 17:19 GMT
#2733
Hooooo-boy.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8551 Posts
August 07 2009 17:20 GMT
#2734
On August 08 2009 02:16 blomsterjohn wrote:
Does anyone know if theres gonna be a 2 hours preshow before the games actually start tomorrow aswell?

(need to cut work hours if so )

On August 08 2009 02:14 QuakerOats wrote:
So does JD losing to fantasy here kinda count as the first game in their BO5? Meaning he is already in angry mode and can win 3-0 now?

Yes to both
Jaedong
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66071 Posts
August 07 2009 17:22 GMT
#2735
On August 08 2009 02:14 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 08 2009 01:22 BanZu wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:45 geod wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 08 2009 00:28 geod wrote:
On August 07 2009 23:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 07 2009 23:21 alt.tday wrote:
Can anyone tell me what happened in Fantasy vs Jaedong game???? I just watched it but I dont get why JD lost....


It seems almost inevitable that if a zerg who grabs the double gas doesn't take a turtle terran down with his quick, high gas army, then the Terran will win. It's way too easy for Terran to set up shop at the mineral onlys, and the main and nat are plenty of gas for tons of Vessels and a sizeable tank force.

Jaedong, honestly, probably would've won if he'd gone Mutas for massive harass. Fantasy had like no turrets and a weak MnM force. But he fell into the trapping that is the double gas expo.


Lol, which game have you seen? Fantasy didn't turtle at all, he is very agressive through the whole game! He outexpands Jeadong at mid game and gathers enough resources advantage for the last tank push. And Fantasy doesn't have many turrets because Jeadong does't go mutas harass not the other way around lol.


Um, expanding to your backyard for the first 2/3rds of the game before going for the second main is not aggressive. Fantasy was turtling -- he had a factory and all his tanks shoved inside his nat up until the last like 5 minutes of the game. He pushed out as soon as he had a macro'd up army, but the dude turtled after the Bunker Rush -- for good reason! "Turtling" isn't a bad thing, it's what you have to do to stay alive after failing an 8rax.

Also 'turtling' and pushing out aren't mutually exclusive. But when you've got a third of your supply in tanks sitting behind a wall at your nat, that's pretty turtled.


I repeats which game have you seen? If there is a player turtling, this is Jeadong with fast hive fast goardian, mass sunken. Bunker rush, bunker break, mass dropship harass, push out constantly, outexpanding zerg are turtling? And Fantasy doesn't start producing tank until the second half of the game!


Uggghhh I'm talking about the absolutely massive tankline and back up bio force that never left his nat until he went for the final blow. It's impossible for a zerg to break defense that tight when there's an MnM force on the map. Like I said, turtling and pushing aren't mutually exclusive in a game. By the time Jaedong had higher tech units, there's absolutely no way to break that force. If you noticed, Jaedong completely dismantled Fantasy's in-the-field MnM force several times, but not once could he come close to breaking into Fantasy's nat because of the rock solid defense. Fantasy played incredibly smart, even if his SK is a little sloppy. Playing smart sometimes means having 5 tanks and a control group of mnm + 1~3 vessels at your nat entrance, go figure.

Jesus I'm not even insulting Fantasy -- I'm complimenting his wits, and yet you guys still somehow take offense. Hell I even predicted this would happen (Fantasy opening with a prepared build to snipe Jaedong in a close call), I'm totally with the Fantasy crowd here. =\

You're obviously using the term "turtling" incorrectly here. Keep defenses at home is not turtling at all.

What if I have horrible multi-task, I suck at re-hotkeying my army, and I forget about my army back at home? That'll leave me with a ton of units back at home. Does that mean I'm turtling?

Turtling = playing defensively
Turtling =/= leaving units at home

You could argue that the putting of tanks at his natural was turtling but come on, you can't just ignore the fact that Fantasy was not only harassing JD's expos but also going toe-to-toe with JD in the center of the map.


Well he was definitively turtling as soon as the Bunker Rush ended, and everytime he lost his expeditionary force (Lots of times) he kept crammed in his base for a couple minutes, where he was never threatened because he had half his army there anyhow. Outsider, with it's double back door accessible expansions lends itself to just sitting back, throwing up a monster defense, macroing up, pushing up, rinse, repeat, and Fantasy did that very well.

So waiting properly for an army that can actually survive outside one's own base is turtling? Trust me on this one, you're not using the word correctly.

You might as well say that everyone turtles in every single game.

EDIT: Lol, cept games that rely on pressuring the opponent early game. Guys, all late-game players are turtlers! Flash isn't alone!

Can't believe I missed this comment.

Fantasy was so definitely not turtling.
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imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
August 07 2009 17:23 GMT
#2736
wow i didn't expect this!
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15310 Posts
August 07 2009 17:24 GMT
#2737
On August 08 2009 01:56 konadora wrote:
Trying to be a bit picky but are there VODs with the OGN casters casting it?

I usually put the MBC commentators up as they are more popular. I have the OGN vods too though, PM me for secret secret secret download links.
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
August 07 2009 17:43 GMT
#2738
wow 4-0 sweep
i don't think anyone saw this coming
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SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
August 07 2009 17:46 GMT
#2739
On August 08 2009 02:43 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
wow 4-0 sweep
i don't think anyone saw this coming

I think a lot of people did. As long as Fantasy won vs. Jaedong.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 17:47:17
August 07 2009 17:47 GMT
#2740
On August 08 2009 02:43 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
wow 4-0 sweep
i don't think anyone saw this coming


On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:
SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung OZ

Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >
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