EPT[SPL] Grand Final - SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung Oz - Day 1 -…
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alt.tday
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:00 nK)Duke wrote: Oz fans don't identify themself as jaedong either That is incorrect. I am, in fact, Jaedong. And thanks to today's results, I am in mourning. | ||
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iamho
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QuakerOats
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[DUF]MethodMan
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
There is a typhoon called marakot or something that's headed in their direction and the weather is supposed to be pretty shitty which is bad since it's an outdoor stage. | ||
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1984
Ukraine115 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:21 alt.tday wrote: Can anyone tell me what happened in Fantasy vs Jaedong game???? I just watched it but I dont get why JD lost.... Why would he win? Fantasy had 4 bases most of the time, with S-class macro it's just insane. It was just perfect defensive play, he even wasn't really in danger imo at any point in the game. | ||
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alt.tday
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Baytuts
Brazil101 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:26 QuakerOats wrote: Why don't more Terrans do what fantasy did and make a lot of tanks? As a low-level Zerg player tanks fuck my army up (much like they did to JD). When you have enough of them even swarm doesn't do anything because tanks still kill anything with splash damage. Move in to cast swarm with a defiler and that defiler is dead in one shot, way faster than irradiate. I never really got why a lot of pros decide to go SK Terran. they choose SK because tanks can be flanked easily in some maps, even in Outsider, but fantasy knew that all of JD's army was on that exp, thats why he attacked. And JD's ultra count was high, so irradiate wouldnt do his effect in time, so tanks was more viable | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9051 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:21 alt.tday wrote: Can anyone tell me what happened in Fantasy vs Jaedong game???? I just watched it but I dont get why JD lost.... No lurkers the whole game? Let Fantasy expands everywhere? | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
Part of me wants to see Oz get raped again day two, since besides Jaedong their lineup is comparable to eStro/FOX and they *really* don't deserve to be in the finals, but part of me wants an INTERESTING final match as well. Hopefully Oz can get their shit together and win enough to at least get Jaedong in a non ZvZ match. | ||
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alt.tday
United States180 Posts
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Baytuts
Brazil101 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:36 alt.tday wrote: so is anyone gonna bother answer my question? fantasy secured many bases and choose to play defensive, to starve JD's gas with his unssuccessful attempts to attack/harass, and he started to mass tanks. When JD saw the mass of tanks, he just couldnt do anything, because he didnt have lings to sneak into the tanks and dark swarm cant do a shit when you have that much os splash damage | ||
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ghostWriter
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:35 1984 wrote: Why would he win? Fantasy had 4 bases most of the time, with S-class macro it's just insane. It was just perfect defensive play, he even wasn't really in danger imo at any point in the game. i dont think it was even that. from what commentators have been saying, Jaedong lost to the hanbang by fantasy which was the tanks. basically, Jaedong did a good job of keeping fantasy's vessel count low and stopping drops etc etc, but fantasy was building up for the one last tank push as his final straw. i think the critical moment was the last battle when jaedong's defilers got sniped, twice. if those were able to swarm, most likely, jaedong would've pulled through. fun game overall | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:21 alt.tday wrote: Can anyone tell me what happened in Fantasy vs Jaedong game???? I just watched it but I dont get why JD lost.... The same reason July lost to Flash -- outsider is a misleading map. The double gas expo really entices zerg, and if you can safely grab it it seems like the best idea. So, Jaedong defends the bunker rush, putting Fantasy massively on the defensive as Jaedong's lings now control the map. It's hard to break a hard turtling Terran, so Jaedong did what most zergs would do -- go for the enticing, but hard to defend double gas. The double gas is a double edged sword, though (haha, pun) -- it doesn't give you any more gas than your main or nat overall (2 2500s instead of 1 5000), but it allows you to mine at double the speed for a bit of a heavy mineral investment. This is good for fast teching, and a quick, high gas unit composition. With this, you'll see most zergs either massively pump Hydra Lurk off the extra gas, or tech up to hive and go for a specific hive tech strategy. The problem is, once you've teched to hive, and gotten hivetech buildings and upgrades, those Gas geyes aren't going to go a lot further. You misleadingly feel like you've got tons of gas to spare though, because neither of your main or nat geysers are going empty any time soon. And that's just it -- you do have plenty of gas. But Hivetech units aren't just gas heavy, they take a lot of minerals too. Jaedong tried to go for a nearly pure hivetech army off just 2 base's worth of minerals for most of the game, before he could push out against the MnM blob and take expos with actual minerals. It seems almost inevitable that if a zerg who grabs the double gas doesn't take a turtle terran down with his quick, high gas army, then the Terran will win. It's way too easy for Terran to set up shop at the mineral onlys, and the main and nat are plenty of gas for tons of Vessels and a sizeable tank force. Jaedong, honestly, probably would've won if he'd gone Mutas for massive harass. Fantasy had like no turrets and a weak MnM force. But he fell into the trapping that is the double gas expo. | ||
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cosiant
Canada616 Posts
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disciple
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okum
France5779 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:44 TwoToneTerran wrote: Jaedong, honestly, probably would've won if he'd gone Mutas for massive harass. Fantasy had like no turrets and a weak MnM force. But he fell into the trapping that is the double gas expo. That's my feeling too. In either case, the Guardians didn't do much (he killed what, 10 marines with them?) except waste resources. Interestingly, JD has gone Muta very little recently. Did he use them at all vs Canata? | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
Games 1 and 3: "OMG <SKT Player> sucks! WTF are they doing? LOL EPIC FAIL!!!! ... ... ...where'd all those units come from?" Game 2: "Canata sucks" ---> Lomo sucks Canata wins Game 4: GALAXY CRUSHERRRRRRRRRRR (w/ 40% of posts being about Hyuk's ceremony) Happy Jaedong Week | ||
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