Group A: Close call, I'm hoping Hwasin will make it out, he should be able to take down both others Group B: Bisu can take down Free and should be able to make it past JangBi. Then again, both Bisu and JangBi are slumping, who can tell?
I have a feeling Luxury might just start playing decent and get out of his group.
Group B is a sad sight for me atleast. Jangbi is slumping quite bad, Bisu has been dropping quite a few games lately and Free was never a PvP specialist. I couldn't really call who's going to get out of it, but I'm hoping Bisu.
On June 25 2009 17:57 Conquest101 wrote: Call me crazy, but I have this gut feeling that Free is gonna pull a Kal here and win/luckbox his way out. I'll laugh if it happens.
No idea about group A. Rooting for Hwasin, thinking Lux.
On June 25 2009 17:57 Conquest101 wrote: Call me crazy, but I have this gut feeling that Free is gonna pull a Kal here and win/luckbox his way out. I'll laugh if it happens.
No idea about group A. Rooting for Hwasin, thinking Lux.
He can't pull a Kal because there's no one as bad at PvP as Free for Free to play. :x
2nd shop coming for Hwasin soon. He seems to be planning to expo. Hiya adds 2 facts. Wraiths out for Hwasin now. Hiya expoing soon Dropship gets taken out by Hwasin's wraiths
Oh damn, the games are going now? And I was confused, where are the liquibets and I forgot they are already added and those are the playoffs :D So what's going on now?
Hiya drops Hwasin's 3rd again. The Dships managed to pass the golis. The CC is in the red now. Hwasin mined out in his main and he has his backdoor mineral only up.
Looks to be a large engagement at the middle of the map. I cant tell who will come out on top. More units dying on Hwasin's side.
Hiya makes a BIG drop in Hwasin's main aining to take out his factories and reinforcements. Hwasin pulling dropships to defend. Hwasin manages to defend his main at the cost of his nat where Hiya has forces stationed.
*sigh* this game could have been over so long ago if freaking Hiya didn't lose 7 tanks trying to rush end the game after taking Hwasin's nat. Just want to see Lux play and go to sleep
Not a bad game at all, but Hiya was playing from behind economically and kept dropping his units wrong like seiging vs drops and dropping down ramp instead of upramp and cliffs. 40 min TvT with no BCs is kind of weird though.
On June 25 2009 19:18 o3.power91 wrote: I won't LR anymore unless someone asks for it. Don't think many people need me to LR due to the large number of streams
On June 25 2009 19:17 SuperArc wrote: Did this match make any sense?
Basically Hiya was unable to deal any significant damage with his early advantage, while Hwasin had the right idea by taking the 3rd main. Hwasin almost lost the game for trying to take the 3rd main too early, but once he was able to survive that the outcome was never really in doubt.
Hwasin did his best to try to give away a won game though....
Hwasin had a huge economical lead throughout most of the game. I wouldn't have called him really behind at any point, as everytime he lost a fight he easily remacroed up his entire force. Hiya was desperate for minerals for the entire second half of the game. Hiya looked better off than he was because he was rocking the drop fights for the most part and pulling off some decent harass, but it was pretty much over once Hiya couldn't finish off 9 oclock.
damn hwasin the turtle vs hiya who at least tried to play v offensive.. sucks to see him lose like that but as mentioned before his drops were just horrible... he shoulda won that game so easy ;(
I thought it made sense. Hwasin played that out really well, stalling Hiya until his additional expos could kick in. After that it is only a matter of operational bases, and whether or not you can expand safely.
hwasin has been getting wins on outsider like crazy, and most of them are ones where it looks like he is losing right up until 2 minutes before the gg. he's 5-1 on outsider now i believe
On June 25 2009 19:18 samachking wrote: Not a bad game at all, but Hiya was playing from behind economically and kept dropping his units wrong like seiging vs drops and dropping down ramp instead of upramp and cliffs. 40 min TvT with no BCs is kind of weird though.
If BCs are used in TvT doesn't depends on the time, but on the map. When it's good for dropship use (which means many places to drop and not easy to protect) you will barely see BCs at all.
Hmm HiyA dropped to offline qualifiers but most likely will get spot to Survivor through KeSPA ranking (assuming Jaedong reaches top8) because he is 2nd ranked in Hwaseung OZ
Still 1 sunk for Luxury. Hwasin pushes with 2 medics and rines. This looks to be over. Firebat enterse the battle. Sunken goes down. Nat hatch going down for Luxury. Hwasin has this. Reinfocements coming. Mutas out!!!
Mutalisks still harassing and being annoying. Hwasin still very far ahead though. Large mnm force moves out. Lots of mutalisks out now. They nearly get flanked by rines but barely escape
hwasin in both games really shows how to carry on your advantage. In his game vs hiya securing the other main and defending it. Against luxury waiting till he gets vessels/irradiate and expoing. No hasty decisions really calm.
Now, damn, I need to say it but go Bisu ! Lift me up in the liquibet rank higher and higher ! Although I'm Bisu anti-fan, I still voted for him, so don't let me down.
On June 25 2009 19:50 o3.power91 wrote: Once again. Hwasin manages to qualify for the Round of 16. If I'm not mistaken, he has never failed to do so right?
that was actually a pretty smart build from lux imho, byz3 is such a hard map to beat terran on after early game, if he had put up another sunkn this could have been a very different game. As a hwasin fan I was a little disappointed, I know he won, but it was pretty easy to see his m&m micro was far from red sniper worthy.
On June 25 2009 19:51 Vasoline73 wrote: Ugh Hwasin is like my least favorite progamer ever. Wonder if he's going to win his Bo3 in Ro16 coming up. Hint, he's not.
On June 25 2009 19:54 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Uh oh Iris vs Hwasin, gonna be hard match to liquibet
Don't forget, Hwasin has a history of losing to MSL champs of the current or previous season. GOM S1 Eliminated by Savior GOM S2 Eliminated by Bisu GOM S3 Eliminated by Bisu GOM S4 Eliminated by Mind Arena Eliminated by Jaedong ClubDay Online Eliminated by Bisu LostSaga Eliminated by Luxury
On June 25 2009 20:06 GTR wrote: really nice play by bisu taking advantage of the map's large travelling distance. he's now ahead for pretty much minimal cost.
On June 25 2009 20:06 GTR wrote: really nice play by bisu taking advantage of the map's large travelling distance. he's now ahead for pretty much minimal cost.
Can you elaborate more on this?
made free pull probes and deviate from his tech path.
bisu's dt's didn't do enough damage. don't understand why you'd want to dt on a map like carthage. free definitely has this unless bisu does some crazy harass shit.
On June 25 2009 20:12 scyper wrote: I'll stop LR. But yeah usually it doesnt work for me, but today it is completely fine.
Huh, might be worth reinstalling it the next time OSL or MSL is on
thanks for the heads up
(AND GET YO SHIT WRECKED BISU LOOL)
dude it only works because the MSL stream on daum pot player is relayed by some guy. it's not an official stream. it's like a livestream.com thing. it still doesn't work for official streams though.
On June 25 2009 20:24 TwoToneTerran wrote: He won but he played like garbage that whole game. Hopefully he steps it up against Jangbi.
lol no ! Bisu's strat was very good
What his "let's use DTs every game on maps it's no good for!" strat? Or his sudden inability to ever micro a Dragoon ever?
His storm drops were great but that's the only thing of this match that even mildly impressed me. The gigantic fight in front of Free's fourth/third was embarassing, considering how outnumbered he had Free.
On June 25 2009 20:29 Garnet wrote: Bisu is kind of hated in Korea. From long ago. Probably his personality.
Are you serious ? Only ppl around forums are mocking him, but he has the biggest pop from every crowd on every tournament, only Boxer is better in this aspect
On June 25 2009 20:29 Garnet wrote: Bisu is kind of hated in Korea. From long ago. Probably his personality.
Are you serious ? Only ppl around forums are mocking him, but he has the biggest pop from every crowd on every tournament, only Boxer is better in this aspect
lolwut. Bisu is popular but he's got nothing on Yellow, Nada or Savior.
On June 25 2009 20:29 Garnet wrote: Bisu is kind of hated in Korea. From long ago. Probably his personality.
Are you serious ? Only ppl around forums are mocking him, but he has the biggest pop from every crowd on every tournament, only Boxer is better in this aspect
On June 25 2009 20:24 TwoToneTerran wrote: He won but he played like garbage that whole game. Hopefully he steps it up against Jangbi.
lol no ! Bisu's strat was very good
What his "let's use DTs every game on maps it's no good for!" strat? Or his sudden inability to ever micro a Dragoon ever?
His storm drops were great but that's the only thing of this match that even mildly impressed me. The gigantic fight in front of Free's fourth/third was embarassing, considering how outnumbered he had Free.
no, maybe you havent noticed but bisu's core and tech was like a hole minute faster than free's. Bisu's opening was great, he screwed a bit afterwords but he clearly showed better strategic play if not else
What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
On June 25 2009 20:24 TwoToneTerran wrote: He won but he played like garbage that whole game. Hopefully he steps it up against Jangbi.
lol no ! Bisu's strat was very good
What his "let's use DTs every game on maps it's no good for!" strat? Or his sudden inability to ever micro a Dragoon ever?
His storm drops were great but that's the only thing of this match that even mildly impressed me. The gigantic fight in front of Free's fourth/third was embarassing, considering how outnumbered he had Free.
no, maybe you havent noticed but bisu's core and tech was like a hole minute faster than free's. Bisu's opening was great, he screwed a bit afterwords but he clearly showed better strategic play if not else
It's not uncommon to be ahead in tech when you go behind in bases. As a matter of fact, that's pretty much what you always do. Bisu played predictably into Free's build and the only reason he won after the DTs was the impressive storm drops and Free's own incompetence in defending his third.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what i hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
Fyi Bisu was ahead after so called "proxy" in front of Free's nat.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
Pretty sure that's the case for all cheeses, not just when Bisu does it.
On June 25 2009 20:34 samuraibael wrote: Can someone explain how bisu didnt lose that?
Yeah, one word.
free
Free allowed Bisu to expo to a 3rd at the same time as him despite his army and econ advantage. That allowed Bisu to come back into the game.
Edit: +above post
But you must consider the map distance, free couldnt attack even if he had 4 more goons or smth. I mean wtf, its not like free killed his own nexus, storm his units or smth? Bisu had faster tech, faster upgrades and abused map distance thats all
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
His games vs jaehoon n free shows that his 2 gate dt forge expo isn't really an all in cheese. He planted the expo and canons before the dts even popped and realised free went obs
and yes he lost his expo and free had a 2nd BUT: 1 base with 30 probes isnt really very far behind 2 bases with 16 probes
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
True. Also, July was loved for cheesing BeSt twice in their OSL finals.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
True. Also, July was loved for cheesing BeSt twice in their OSL finals.
Golden mouse factor. No one cared since July isn't the best player of his race anyways. Skillwise at that time.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
True. Also, July was loved for cheesing BeSt twice in their OSL finals.
Golden mouse factor. No one cared since July isn't the best player of his race anyways. Skillwise at that time.
On June 25 2009 20:38 iPF[Div] wrote: well what i hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
If he will not use different cheese strats, other games will predict only normal play from him. And this will be his disadvantage. Remember, every great player used cheese. From boxer to flash and JD. So is bisu.
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was.
well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this.
Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved
Jaedong's 5 pooled 3 times, vs Hwasin, Skyhigh, and Index. I'm sure Bisu cheese a little more than that.
he is just playing toss
Well, that too
Well, when zerg (even Jaedong) screws 5 pool, he is dead. When protoss screws some of his DT gayness, he is usually still in game with only small disadvantage...
Bisu engages jangbi's army. lots of storms. bisu decimates lots of jangbi's forces. 1 reaer in shuttle dies for jangbi. Bisu claims the high ground. Jangbi forced to retretat
Jangbi gets units in Bisu's 4th. Probes defending and reinforcementts coming to defend. lots of probes go down but Bisu is still far ahead. Jangbi microing to the lat breath. and GG
On June 25 2009 20:58 scyper wrote: Is Bisu semi-offensive nexus by having his expo's so out there near Jangbi, when he can expo at bottom right? Or is it just a better spot?
It's a better spot since Jangbi has to walk his army upramp to get to them whereas its a flat road to the bottom right expo.
On June 25 2009 20:58 scyper wrote: Is Bisu semi-offensive nexus by having his expo's so out there near Jangbi, when he can expo at bottom right? Or is it just a better spot?
It's a better spot since Jangbi has to walk his army upramp to get to them whereas its a flat road to the bottom right expo.
Actually, its for ease of defence, if he can defend his min only he can defend his 3rd, and once he secures that he can proceed to take the 5th.
Epic reaver micro from jangbi, never seen anything like it before, shame if only their openings were mirrored.
Oh well serves Jangbi right for making this dumb group and not putting stork in, if this was operation kill Bisu. Too bad for Bisu, he has to play fantasy could be a very short MSL run this year.
On June 25 2009 21:25 mog87 wrote: Oh well serves Jangbi right for making this dumb group and not putting stork in, if this was operation kill Bisu. Too bad for Bisu, he has to play fantasy could be a very short MSL run this year.
lol both the finalists in last season's MSL out on the same night. Now lux has nothing but Proleague. I hope he performs well especially when Khan just semi-gave away a ticket to the playoffs.
Bisu didn't show much micro in the Jangbi game but only because he took his early lead with the quicker expo and never surrendered it. He gradually built on his advantage, leaving only one chance for Jangbi back into the game that Jangbi was too scared to take. It was very strategically, if not technically, impressive.
btw I totally love bisu's opening in the game vs free, although it didnt work out perfectly. It was brilliant, he gained significant advantage, I just question his choice to tech to templars instead of double gate robo and take comfortably his natural. Some said the proxy failed, but check out where Bisu put the buildings, free was supposed to see this coming and to react just like he did, Bisu didnt even bother hiding the pylon somewhere.
That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
On June 26 2009 02:45 NovaTheFeared wrote: Last MSL's final was a sad joke.
Bisu, the former reigning champion was kicked out of the MSL in the last MSL's group stage too.
Is he a joke too?
The last MSL Final was a sad joke because of the players, not because they dropped out this time around.
Listen, the guy who originally said the last finals was a joke said that because Luxury and JangBi were both knocked out in the group stages. That's the only reason it was on-topic.
On June 26 2009 02:45 NovaTheFeared wrote: Last MSL's final was a sad joke.
Bisu, the former reigning champion was kicked out of the MSL in the last MSL's group stage too.
Is he a joke too?
The last MSL Final was a sad joke because of the players, not because they dropped out this time around.
Listen, the guy who originally said the last finals was a joke said that because Luxury and JangBi were both knocked out in the group stages. That's the only reason it was on-topic.
What does the performance of the last MSL Final have anything to do with whether or not the players make it on further in the group?
On June 26 2009 05:58 thopol wrote: That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
That's not even close to being true. Not to mention the play wasn't that good after the first two games.
I still regard Jangbi as one of the best players in the world. He just has some sort of mental issue when he's up against Bisu. He's fairly close in raw skill to Bisu, I think.
On June 26 2009 05:58 thopol wrote: That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
That's not even close to being true. Not to mention the play wasn't that good after the first two games.
On June 26 2009 07:06 SimonB wrote: I still regard Jangbi as one of the best players in the world. He just has some sort of mental issue when he's up against Bisu. He's fairly close in raw skill to Bisu, I think.
you mean finals, jangbi learned EVERYTHING from stork :p
On June 26 2009 05:58 thopol wrote: That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
That's not even close to being true. Not to mention the play wasn't that good after the first two games.
GGPlay vs Iris?
Talking about the entirety of the bold part, you know, the "only that" part as well.
On June 26 2009 05:58 thopol wrote: That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
That's not even close to being true. Not to mention the play wasn't that good after the first two games.
GGPlay vs Iris?
Talking about the entirety of the bold part, you know, the "only that" part as well.
Then I really dont get what you're talking about :\
trying to ask this in the least dickish way possible, but what is the point you're trying to make?
On June 26 2009 05:58 thopol wrote: That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
That's not even close to being true. Not to mention the play wasn't that good after the first two games.
GGPlay vs Iris?
Talking about the entirety of the bold part, you know, the "only that" part as well.
Then I really dont get what you're talking about :\
trying to ask this in the least dickish way possible, but what is the point you're trying to make?
I'm saying that there are others things to a final that makes it great besides gameplay. You're disagreeing. I'm tempted to insult you.
On June 26 2009 05:58 thopol wrote: That's ridiculous. Whoever makes it to the finals beat out all the competition to get there. Sure, sometimes the players cheese or get easy groups or whatever, but just because your favorite/the best player isn't in there doesn't inherently diminish the quality of a finals. It is the play displayed that counts and only that.
That said, HiyA vs Hwasin was extremely entertaining. Worth a watch for anyone who skipped it because the players aren't superstars or just because they think TvT is boring (though it is long).
That's not even close to being true. Not to mention the play wasn't that good after the first two games.
GGPlay vs Iris?
Talking about the entirety of the bold part, you know, the "only that" part as well.
Then I really dont get what you're talking about :\
trying to ask this in the least dickish way possible, but what is the point you're trying to make?
I'm saying that there are others things to a final that makes it great besides gameplay. You're disagreeing. I'm tempted to insult you.
when you say it like that it makes a lot more sense lol
If Bisu manages to defeat fantasy, I don't see how anyone else can stop him knowing that vT is his worst match-up and it's against a guy who knows his playing style very well. GL Bisu and hope you do well both here in the MSL and the OSL.
On June 27 2009 13:12 C[SCL] wrote: If Bisu manages to defeat fantasy, I don't see how anyone else can stop him knowing that vT is his worst match-up and it's against a guy who knows his playing style very well. GL Bisu and hope you do well both here in the MSL and the OSL.
Flash, Effort, Jaedong would all have good chances to beat him.
EPT
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Hwasin < Outsider > 
Luxury
Bisu < Carthage 3 > 
. When was the last time that happened?
