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SaharaDrac
Profile Joined May 2008
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 22:20:15
June 08 2009 19:28 GMT
#961
Fake Steve, you're entirely missing the point of why IdrA's behavior was shameful, and why SDM was 100% correct in his statements (although those statements most definitely should NOT have been outburst during a cast.) It wasn't about him using a naughty word, and it wasn't about his opinion about white terrans. It was his condescending, arrogant attitude. He was so obviously talking down to his opponent like he was trash to him, and it was ugly and uncalled for. I'm sure most all professional starcraft players feel that way about foreigners, and most of their other opponents too, that they are beneath them. But they don't sit in a game and let them know about it in a LIVE BROADCAST. That's just childish.

Also, to the other IdrA minions leaping to his defense, if you think because IdrA beats some of his "big name" opponents occasionally in PRACTICE means a god damn thing, then you're more naive than I can ever try to be. He is a novelty in Korea, plain and simple. If he wasn't white, he wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of making CJ's B team. Don't deny it. The dude occasionally has good games, then he makes 25 mistakes in the game after that that even I sitting at home, would never be stupid enough to do. (Do we even need to talk about the match vs. F19?? My god, I couldn't believe this guy could win a game on BATTLE.NET, let alone in professional Starcraft leagues.) He sucks. He's good for a white guy. That's it. He's an uncontrollable, childish, goofy, perma-pubescent ultra nerd. Stop kissing his ass because he posts here.
We are Venom
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
June 08 2009 20:10 GMT
#962
Your hyperbole and arrogance completely destroy any credibility in your post. Really you can't believe Idra can win games on battle net? Realllyy?
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 20:16:08
June 08 2009 20:14 GMT
#963
On June 09 2009 03:39 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:49 Geo.Rion wrote:
SDM sometimes is redundant, but he's really enjoyable and sometimes says things you could not know from any other sourse (like what the coaches said, or what the players said unoficcially befor matches etc..)

He says interesting stuff far too infrequently for my liking. It's almost like he doesn't really understand the game.

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:37 Lipton wrote:
I'm going to ask Tasteless and SDM if we can add a new rule to forbid in game chat(for Round of 8) cept for Pause requests and GG.
I wouldn't waste your time asking! It would be a good rule change no doubt.
It's great to see that you read the threads, gj dude.

He does understand the game...

He played himself for a long time and was a far better player than tasteless or most other people on this forum.


Daniel's real weakness in casting is his lack of eloquence but it is his second language after all.


Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
SaharaDrac
Profile Joined May 2008
United States76 Posts
June 08 2009 20:18 GMT
#964
On June 09 2009 05:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Your hyperbole and arrogance completely destroy any credibility in your post. Really you can't believe Idra can win games on battle net? Realllyy?



No, it's called exagerration. BTW using the word hyperbole doesn't make you my intellectual superior.
We are Venom
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 08 2009 20:24 GMT
#965
Yeah and SDM knows a lot of stuff that happens in Korea which Tasteless and Artosis don't know about.

It's important to have someone like susie or SDM
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
June 08 2009 20:39 GMT
#966
On June 09 2009 03:39 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:37 Lipton wrote:
I'm going to ask Tasteless and SDM if we can add a new rule to forbid in game chat(for Round of 8) cept for Pause requests and GG.
I wouldn't waste your time asking! It would be a good rule change no doubt.
It's great to see that you read the threads, gj dude.



SDM just emailed me back, the rule will be in effect for the Round of 8 and so on... Rule will be posted everywhere, but most importantly all players still in the tournament will be emailed about this.

1) No casual chatting in game
2) Text chat may only be used to call for a TimeOut/Pause or to GG
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 21:24:51
June 08 2009 21:14 GMT
#967
On June 09 2009 05:18 SaharaDrac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 05:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Your hyperbole and arrogance completely destroy any credibility in your post. Really you can't believe Idra can win games on battle net? Realllyy?



No, it's called exagerration. BTW using the word hyperbole doesn't make you my intellectual superior.

He is superior to you because he isn't a moron.

Good dodge on responding to my post. You latest one wasn't either worth deconstructing.

Stop posting you don't know anything.
theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
June 08 2009 21:59 GMT
#968
i fucking love fakesteve
정명훈 화이팅!~
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
June 08 2009 22:11 GMT
#969
On June 09 2009 04:28 SaharaDrac wrote:
If he wasn't white, he wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of making CJ's B team. .

well thats just bullshit or do u have replay package with like 200 games of idra playing against CJ b teamers? t.t. and losing to F91 was 6 months ago. in the meantime he won ESWC(?) with a pretty impressive 3-0 against white-ra and nearly beat trap at gomtv, another b teamer. it doenst matter though. when there is no rule forbidding players to trashtalk u cant complain about it if they do so. i mean come on, it's idra :D
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
SaharaDrac
Profile Joined May 2008
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 22:21:28
June 08 2009 22:19 GMT
#970
On June 09 2009 06:14 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 05:18 SaharaDrac wrote:
On June 09 2009 05:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Your hyperbole and arrogance completely destroy any credibility in your post. Really you can't believe Idra can win games on battle net? Realllyy?



No, it's called exagerration. BTW using the word hyperbole doesn't make you my intellectual superior.

He is superior to you because he isn't a moron.

Good dodge on responding to my post. You latest one wasn't either worth deconstructing.

Stop posting you don't know anything.



And you're a sycophant who thinks winning practice games constitutes a great pro gamer.

It boils down to this: when IdrA is known for WINNING FUCKING GAMES, rather than his bullshit behavior, which greatly overshadows his skills, he'll deserve to be on a korean pro gaming team. Til then, he will remain a novelty.
We are Venom
BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
June 08 2009 22:25 GMT
#971
On June 09 2009 07:11 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 04:28 SaharaDrac wrote:
If he wasn't white, he wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of making CJ's B team. .

well thats just bullshit or do u have replay package with like 200 games of idra playing against CJ b teamers? t.t. and losing to F91 was 6 months ago. in the meantime he won ESWC(?) with a pretty impressive 3-0 against white-ra and nearly beat trap at gomtv, another b teamer. it doenst matter though. when there is no rule forbidding players to trashtalk u cant complain about it if they do so. i mean come on, it's idra :D


This.
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
June 08 2009 22:59 GMT
#972
On June 09 2009 07:11 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 04:28 SaharaDrac wrote:
If he wasn't white, he wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of making CJ's B team. .

well thats just bullshit or do u have replay package with like 200 games of idra playing against CJ b teamers? t.t. and losing to F91 was 6 months ago. in the meantime he won ESWC(?) with a pretty impressive 3-0 against white-ra and nearly beat trap at gomtv, another b teamer. it doenst matter though. when there is no rule forbidding players to trashtalk u cant complain about it if they do so. i mean come on, it's idra :D


so your list of accomplishments for idra is: beat an amateur player, lost to a b-teamer. hes beat a lot of amateurs lately but that is expected of any pro that plays every day all day with other pros. hes only been played in minor league once and lost that too. wouldn't it be nice if our foreigner representative in korea didn't act like a twat then we'd support them no matter what their results
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
June 08 2009 23:18 GMT
#973
On June 09 2009 07:59 infinity2k9 wrote:

so your list of accomplishments for idra is: beat an amateur player, lost to a b-teamer. hes beat a lot of amateurs lately but that is expected of any pro that plays every day all day with other pros. hes only been played in minor league once and lost that too. wouldn't it be nice if our foreigner representative in korea didn't act like a twat then we'd support them no matter what their results


and ur point is? u mean if idra was more successful you would have no problem if he flames foreigners?
and i dont really know what this whole "respresenting the foreign community" is about. idra plays for himself and i'm positive that korean ppl dont think that we r all bm as hell just cause idra is a raging nerd.
but as i said, it doenst matter, if there is no rule forbidding trashtalk then wtf is SDM complaining about
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 08 2009 23:23 GMT
#974
On June 09 2009 08:18 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 07:59 infinity2k9 wrote:

so your list of accomplishments for idra is: beat an amateur player, lost to a b-teamer. hes beat a lot of amateurs lately but that is expected of any pro that plays every day all day with other pros. hes only been played in minor league once and lost that too. wouldn't it be nice if our foreigner representative in korea didn't act like a twat then we'd support them no matter what their results


and ur point is? u mean if idra was more successful you would have no problem if he flames foreigners?
and i dont really know what this whole "respresenting the foreign community" is about. idra plays for himself and i'm positive that korean ppl dont think that we r all bm as hell just cause idra is a raging nerd.
but as i said, it doenst matter, if there is no rule forbidding trashtalk then wtf is SDM complaining about


So if murdering wasn't forbidden, you would go and kill people?
You know they didn't have that rule because they thought its common sense not to trashtalk!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 09 2009 00:00 GMT
#975
On June 09 2009 07:19 SaharaDrac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 06:14 AttackZerg wrote:
On June 09 2009 05:18 SaharaDrac wrote:
On June 09 2009 05:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Your hyperbole and arrogance completely destroy any credibility in your post. Really you can't believe Idra can win games on battle net? Realllyy?



No, it's called exagerration. BTW using the word hyperbole doesn't make you my intellectual superior.

He is superior to you because he isn't a moron.

Good dodge on responding to my post. You latest one wasn't either worth deconstructing.

Stop posting you don't know anything.



And you're a sycophant who thinks winning practice games constitutes a great pro gamer.

It boils down to this: when IdrA is known for WINNING FUCKING GAMES, rather than his bullshit behavior, which greatly overshadows his skills, he'll deserve to be on a korean pro gaming team. Til then, he will remain a novelty.


Everyone could you please just completely ignore SaharaDrac?
Either that or SaharaDrac just stfu because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
beep boop
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
June 09 2009 00:06 GMT
#976
actually, trap is an a-teamer
im gay
Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
June 09 2009 00:21 GMT
#977
On June 09 2009 08:18 Djin)ftw( wrote:
and ur point is? u mean if idra was more successful you would have no problem if he flames foreigners?


IF YOU'RE GOOD and you trash talk and win, it's being cocky.

IF YOU'RE BAD and you trash talk and lose, it's pathetic.

Being cocky or arrogant is 100x better than being pathetic. It wouldn't even be so bad if Idra trash talks Koreans in real-life. I would have respected Idra a lot more if he called Trap a newbie to his face after losing, but no, he's not consistent in his behavior. He's just a tough guy online. That reinforces his e-thug nerd image, and makes him look worse to me.



JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 03:13:21
June 09 2009 00:55 GMT
#978
On June 09 2009 02:01 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 00:55 JWD wrote:
On June 09 2009 00:49 Klive5ive wrote:
On June 08 2009 22:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 07 2009 08:02 Idle wrote:
On June 07 2009 07:48 arb wrote:
On June 07 2009 06:59 Sadistx wrote:
Gotta love how the last 25 pages are discussing a bunch of lines in a game chat, and I thought the worst drama queens were on the EVE-online forums. Apparently not.

Gotta love SDM's hypocrisy though - he blames Idra for chatting in game and then starts acting like a total whiny 10 year old kid - "waaaah waaah Idra should worship me forever, waaah waaah he typed some stuff and this made me mad, so I'm not going to cast the gameeee".

Maybe he should have professionally confronted him after the game or just imposed rules for the next ro ?

Yeah it seriously ruined the entire cast, tasteless was trying but daniel just killed the entire thing


Imagine how SDM must feel though. He brought Idra over, handed him a progamer license without winning courage (something completely unheard of) and after bending over backwards like this Idra is over the top disrespectful to his opponents and bm. Its incredibly embarrassing for SDM, especially in a culture where respect is so important. He stuck his neck out for Idra and this is how he acts? Its not even trash talking or silly like FBH, its downright malicious and self-absorbed, which is pretty unacceptable for somebody who genuinely is the worst progamer in Korea.


First let me say that my opinion of Daniel Lee has not changed. There was a positive in Daniel Lee having the balls to freak out mid-broadcast just because he was pissed off that equaled out the negative of Daniel Lee acting like a stupid fucking child !

Muffin-top
Awesome post FS
But what was the positive from Daniel Lee freaking out?

As far as I can tell he's just highlighted how incompetent a caster he really is.
He says NOTHING useful. Barely ever does he expand on anything Tasteless says or add depth to the cast.
It's not the language barrier either because I just watched 3 hours of WC3 where 2 foreign dudes explained the course of the most fucking complicated game on the planet so beautifully I felt like I was a professional with them.
Get Artosis in, or someone else. SDM is an awful commentator; good job Tasteless is capable of doing it himself.



I agree with Klive, especially about replacing Daniel Lee with Artosis. In the impossibly unlikely case someone at GOM is reading this: I will pay for a Premium Membership if Artosis is casting your games (and I'm sure a ton of other fans will too). Frankly, GOM needs to improve its product if it's going to sell.

FS's muffin-topping excellent post captures a lot of the arguments I've been trying to make over the course of this thread, with some additional information I didn't know about (IdrA iCCup-ing at eSTRO). Now I feel more confident standing by my initial statement that Daniel Lee doesn't care about the foreign SC scene.


Are you still going on about this D:. Give it a rest man, I've seen you post all over the internet on different forums about this. You've said what you want to, can we please get over it now?

Yeah I'm done...honestly not sure how you're getting "all over the internet on different forums". I've posted two threads at TL about it, one comment on the GOM website, and one tweet.

I'm not also sure why you are singling me out amongst all of the other people who have posted regularly in this thread. I think the only difference between me and them is that I use the same nickname everywhere and, since I'm in the minority on this, I have to speak up if I don't want the real story here to be drowned in the sea of "IdrA BM!!". It was especially bad at the GOM site.

Yes I do care about IdrA's reputation. If I wasn't posting in this thread, people who agree with me would be unable to read it and think "man, I'm glad this guy is posting what I think so I don't have to" (I know that feeling, I've been there).
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0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 01:13:13
June 09 2009 01:09 GMT
#979
On June 09 2009 08:18 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 07:59 infinity2k9 wrote:

so your list of accomplishments for idra is: beat an amateur player, lost to a b-teamer. hes beat a lot of amateurs lately but that is expected of any pro that plays every day all day with other pros. hes only been played in minor league once and lost that too. wouldn't it be nice if our foreigner representative in korea didn't act like a twat then we'd support them no matter what their results


and ur point is? u mean if idra was more successful you would have no problem if he flames foreigners?
and i dont really know what this whole "respresenting the foreign community" is about. idra plays for himself and i'm positive that korean ppl dont think that we r all bm as hell just cause idra is a raging nerd.
but as i said, it doenst matter, if there is no rule forbidding trashtalk then wtf is SDM complaining about



No. He's saying that if Idra didn't flame and didn't win anything then he'd receive support from us no matter what.

SDM is completely right in making his statement, imo. Idra's not only playing for himself, but, in reality, also in accordance with the reputation of SMD. Insinuating that BM from idra would have no effect on SDM's reputation, or, at the least, his efforts, seems ineffective.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 09 2009 03:05 GMT
#980
SDM isn't completely right in making his statement because everything he said was fucking made up READ THE THREAD
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