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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 08 2009 15:55 GMT
#941
On June 09 2009 00:49 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 22:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 07 2009 08:02 Idle wrote:
On June 07 2009 07:48 arb wrote:
On June 07 2009 06:59 Sadistx wrote:
Gotta love how the last 25 pages are discussing a bunch of lines in a game chat, and I thought the worst drama queens were on the EVE-online forums. Apparently not.

Gotta love SDM's hypocrisy though - he blames Idra for chatting in game and then starts acting like a total whiny 10 year old kid - "waaaah waaah Idra should worship me forever, waaah waaah he typed some stuff and this made me mad, so I'm not going to cast the gameeee".

Maybe he should have professionally confronted him after the game or just imposed rules for the next ro ?

Yeah it seriously ruined the entire cast, tasteless was trying but daniel just killed the entire thing


Imagine how SDM must feel though. He brought Idra over, handed him a progamer license without winning courage (something completely unheard of) and after bending over backwards like this Idra is over the top disrespectful to his opponents and bm. Its incredibly embarrassing for SDM, especially in a culture where respect is so important. He stuck his neck out for Idra and this is how he acts? Its not even trash talking or silly like FBH, its downright malicious and self-absorbed, which is pretty unacceptable for somebody who genuinely is the worst progamer in Korea.


First let me say that my opinion of Daniel Lee has not changed. There was a positive in Daniel Lee having the balls to freak out mid-broadcast just because he was pissed off that equaled out the negative of Daniel Lee acting like a stupid fucking child !

Muffin-top
Awesome post FS
But what was the positive from Daniel Lee freaking out?

As far as I can tell he's just highlighted how incompetent a caster he really is.
He says NOTHING useful. Barely ever does he expand on anything Tasteless says or add depth to the cast.
It's not the language barrier either because I just watched 3 hours of WC3 where 2 foreign dudes explained the course of the most fucking complicated game on the planet so beautifully I felt like I was a professional with them.
Get Artosis in, or someone else. SDM is an awful commentator; good job Tasteless is capable of doing it himself.



I agree with Klive, especially about replacing Daniel Lee with Artosis. In the impossibly unlikely case someone at GOM is reading this: I will pay for a Premium Membership if Artosis is casting your games (and I'm sure a ton of other fans will too). Frankly, GOM needs to improve its product if it's going to sell.

FS's muffin-topping excellent post captures a lot of the arguments I've been trying to make over the course of this thread, with some additional information I didn't know about (IdrA iCCup-ing at eSTRO). Now I feel more confident standing by my initial statement that Daniel Lee doesn't care about the foreign SC scene.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 15:59:40
June 08 2009 15:58 GMT
#942
i dont think thats a fair statement JWD i just think he didn't put near enough effort into Idra to justify anything that is at all like what he said, even to add hyperbole to an existing attitude. the attitude itself isnt justified

whether he wanted Idra to adjust and mingle himself or he was simply neglectful is a question that will never be answered
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 08 2009 16:18 GMT
#943
Fair enough FS - I didn't mean to suggest you feel the same way about Daniel.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 08 2009 16:33 GMT
#944
Did anyone else notice that the Valor vods are now only for premium users? wtf
Moderator。◕‿◕。
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 08 2009 16:42 GMT
#945
wait hold up idra met sean oh at wwi not blizzcon

also hes not really a coach hes more like a team manager/agent sorta thing
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 08 2009 16:47 GMT
#946
and as for the whole positives of daniel lee having that outburst thing its like the same reason i smile when i see rekrul tear some guy a new asshole

except rekrul doesnt have to make stuff up and he's more eloquent ^____^
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 08 2009 17:01 GMT
#947
On June 09 2009 00:55 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 00:49 Klive5ive wrote:
On June 08 2009 22:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On June 07 2009 08:02 Idle wrote:
On June 07 2009 07:48 arb wrote:
On June 07 2009 06:59 Sadistx wrote:
Gotta love how the last 25 pages are discussing a bunch of lines in a game chat, and I thought the worst drama queens were on the EVE-online forums. Apparently not.

Gotta love SDM's hypocrisy though - he blames Idra for chatting in game and then starts acting like a total whiny 10 year old kid - "waaaah waaah Idra should worship me forever, waaah waaah he typed some stuff and this made me mad, so I'm not going to cast the gameeee".

Maybe he should have professionally confronted him after the game or just imposed rules for the next ro ?

Yeah it seriously ruined the entire cast, tasteless was trying but daniel just killed the entire thing


Imagine how SDM must feel though. He brought Idra over, handed him a progamer license without winning courage (something completely unheard of) and after bending over backwards like this Idra is over the top disrespectful to his opponents and bm. Its incredibly embarrassing for SDM, especially in a culture where respect is so important. He stuck his neck out for Idra and this is how he acts? Its not even trash talking or silly like FBH, its downright malicious and self-absorbed, which is pretty unacceptable for somebody who genuinely is the worst progamer in Korea.


First let me say that my opinion of Daniel Lee has not changed. There was a positive in Daniel Lee having the balls to freak out mid-broadcast just because he was pissed off that equaled out the negative of Daniel Lee acting like a stupid fucking child !

Muffin-top
Awesome post FS
But what was the positive from Daniel Lee freaking out?

As far as I can tell he's just highlighted how incompetent a caster he really is.
He says NOTHING useful. Barely ever does he expand on anything Tasteless says or add depth to the cast.
It's not the language barrier either because I just watched 3 hours of WC3 where 2 foreign dudes explained the course of the most fucking complicated game on the planet so beautifully I felt like I was a professional with them.
Get Artosis in, or someone else. SDM is an awful commentator; good job Tasteless is capable of doing it himself.



I agree with Klive, especially about replacing Daniel Lee with Artosis. In the impossibly unlikely case someone at GOM is reading this: I will pay for a Premium Membership if Artosis is casting your games (and I'm sure a ton of other fans will too). Frankly, GOM needs to improve its product if it's going to sell.

FS's muffin-topping excellent post captures a lot of the arguments I've been trying to make over the course of this thread, with some additional information I didn't know about (IdrA iCCup-ing at eSTRO). Now I feel more confident standing by my initial statement that Daniel Lee doesn't care about the foreign SC scene.


Are you still going on about this D:. Give it a rest man, I've seen you post all over the internet on different forums about this. You've said what you want to, can we please get over it now?
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 08 2009 17:14 GMT
#948
On June 09 2009 01:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
and as for the whole positives of daniel lee having that outburst thing its like the same reason i smile when i see rekrul tear some guy a new asshole

except rekrul doesnt have to make stuff up and he's more eloquent ^____^


Haha thats quite similar to how I feel about it.
Whenever I read one of rekruls post I think to myself "what a dick" but I still love reading it
And while I think SDM was very wrong I certainly liked the drama

And I agree about Artosis, I would most likely also pay for a premium if he was casting.
I think tasteless and SDM are a great entertaining duo, but when Tasteless and Artosis casted ESWC their commentary was soo much more informative, I even liked tasteless' commentary way better than his relatively superficial commentaries @gom


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Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
June 08 2009 17:22 GMT
#949
On June 09 2009 01:33 Harem wrote:
Did anyone else notice that the Valor vods are now only for premium users? wtf

That kinda sucks, guess we can't miss the live matches
SNARF HWAITING
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
June 08 2009 17:24 GMT
#950
Actually Steve, eSTRO B team is pretty decent looking at the Minor League standings. :p
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 08 2009 17:30 GMT
#951
they were TERRIBLE when Idra was on the team.

Fancy was far and away their best player and he never made anything of himself
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
June 08 2009 17:33 GMT
#952
On June 09 2009 02:22 Murdoink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 01:33 Harem wrote:
Did anyone else notice that the Valor vods are now only for premium users? wtf

That kinda sucks, guess we can't miss the live matches



The VODs will be available on Starfeeder soon.

And Artosis is not going to work for GOM, SCforAll and GOM are competitors... there is a lot of miss-information going on in this trend, but alas I can't respond (nor really want to) to most of it.

Batch 2 VODs will be commentated live this Friday! Should be same time, I will double check on that for you guys.
http://facebook.com/starfeeder
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
June 08 2009 17:33 GMT
#953
lol at boycotting the show. it just shows the massive manlove some peopler have for one player.



What about the rest of the ro16 players that havent done anything wrong and put their backs into these games?

Coming from some other clan and 1v1 games, global chat during games ALWAYS leads to bad things. It's in the best interests of any comp to have players shuttup after live/game starts. Im pretty surprised to see it happening in SC which has such a history of tourneys.
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
June 08 2009 17:37 GMT
#954
I'm going to ask Tasteless and SDM if we can add a new rule to forbid in game chat(for Round of 8) cept for Pause requests and GG.

http://facebook.com/starfeeder
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 08 2009 17:49 GMT
#955
SDM sometimes is redundant, but he's really enjoyable and sometimes says things you could not know from any other sourse (like what the coaches said, or what the players said unoficcially befor matches etc..)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
June 08 2009 18:39 GMT
#956
On June 09 2009 02:49 Geo.Rion wrote:
SDM sometimes is redundant, but he's really enjoyable and sometimes says things you could not know from any other sourse (like what the coaches said, or what the players said unoficcially befor matches etc..)

He says interesting stuff far too infrequently for my liking. It's almost like he doesn't really understand the game.

On June 09 2009 02:37 Lipton wrote:
I'm going to ask Tasteless and SDM if we can add a new rule to forbid in game chat(for Round of 8) cept for Pause requests and GG.
I wouldn't waste your time asking! It would be a good rule change no doubt.
It's great to see that you read the threads, gj dude.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 08 2009 18:52 GMT
#957
SDM asked WeMadeFox to help out with the Valor tournament. Surely he doesn't care about the foreign SC scene.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 08 2009 19:12 GMT
#958
On June 09 2009 02:33 Lipton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:22 Murdoink wrote:
On June 09 2009 01:33 Harem wrote:
Did anyone else notice that the Valor vods are now only for premium users? wtf

That kinda sucks, guess we can't miss the live matches



The VODs will be available on Starfeeder soon.

And Artosis is not going to work for GOM, SCforAll and GOM are competitors... there is a lot of miss-information going on in this trend, but alas I can't respond (nor really want to) to most of it.

Batch 2 VODs will be commentated live this Friday! Should be same time, I will double check on that for you guys.


Mhm that's interesting, but weird since Daniel was like the head of scforall, wasn't he?
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Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 08 2009 19:12 GMT
#959
How do you watch the VODs?
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 08 2009 19:17 GMT
#960
On June 09 2009 04:12 Seraphim wrote:
How do you watch the VODs?

seems like for now the vods are restricted for premium users
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