EPTOn February 26 2009 17:48 isbunk wrote:
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sry dp
[MSL] Quarterfinal A - Page 10
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
a) players virtually equal skill-wise, at least if we take general consensus on MJY's skill as fact b) ZvZ is inherently volatile and unpredictable, single BO choices and clicks/keypresses have massive effects on game outcomes c) ZerO's psychological state is a big X factor: can he control his nerves at this stage? d) only one previous meeting, and it was decided mostly by BO choice e) first ZvZ Bo5 in ~2 years - no arguments about "archetypical BoX ZvZ stud" are valid f) new maps, maps with very little ZvZ history The good news is that all this should make the series super exciting to watch! | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
 go SAVIOR | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On February 26 2009 17:55 JWD wrote: This series is basically impossible to predict: a) players virtually equal skill-wise, at least if we take general consensus on MJY's skill as fact b) ZvZ is inherently volatile and unpredictable, single BO choices and clicks/keypresses have massive effects on game outcomes c) ZerO's psychological state is a big X factor: can he control his nerves at this stage? d) only one previous meeting, and it was decided mostly by BO choice e) first ZvZ Bo5 in ~2 years - no arguments about "archetypical BoX ZvZ stud" are valid f) new maps, maps with very little ZvZ history The good news is that all this should make the series super exciting to watch! Why does everyone keep saying things just like your point B. If ZvZ is so volatile, then how can it be that Jaedong has a 80% winrate (the highest ever for a mirror match up) in it? I think this is exactly where then we might think MJY has the edge, in that he has that natural talent to control the pace and direction of the match by successfully playing mind games with his opponent. | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On February 26 2009 17:55 JWD wrote: This series is basically impossible to predict: a) players virtually equal skill-wise, at least if we take general consensus on MJY's skill as fact b) ZvZ is inherently volatile and unpredictable, single BO choices and clicks/keypresses have massive effects on game outcomes c) ZerO's psychological state is a big X factor: can he control his nerves at this stage? d) only one previous meeting, and it was decided mostly by BO choice e) first ZvZ Bo5 in ~2 years - no arguments about "archetypical BoX ZvZ stud" are valid f) new maps, maps with very little ZvZ history The good news is that all this should make the series super exciting to watch! Holy shit, seriously? It's been that long? | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:01 SilverskY wrote: Holy shit, seriously? It's been that long? Check that, I've only checked MSL series. The last MSL Bo5 was in June 07. But I'm not sure about OSL.... now I'm curious, I'll go take a look in TLPD. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
Don't worry, I took the liberty of making a real picture for you: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7333/saviorvszero.jpg) | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
P.S. I love that every time a thread is made for a savior game it has double digit pages well before the match even starts ^_^ | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:04 Rostam wrote: Don't worry, I took the liberty of making a real picture for you: + Show Spoiler + That's a lot better! | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10962 Posts
July had the stronger BO (uncontested Fast Exe vs 2 Hatch in main). July was better with Zerglings (fast Exe was really succsesfull). July got catched by Yarnc's Mutas/Scource from a bad angle. July lost. Predicting ZvZ is like Russian roulette with 3/6 shots loaded, even if someone seems to be ahead, he is still only a trigger pull away from death... Except Jaedong plays  ... | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:04 Shikyo wrote: I don't know why some people bring up the early game micro as MJY's weakness... if you've seen any of his semi-recent games, his early micro is amazing. For example in the games against great and type-b to name a few. It's just that he sometimes tends to choke or lack multitasking or proper decision-making when it gets later into the game, and he seems kind of lazy with his mutalisks and doesn't have the best micro with them. But I'm fairly confident that MJY's early game ling etc. micro is superior to Zero's. I was really impressed with savior's early game ling micro/pressure against UpMagiC on Destination when he opted to go mech. Didn't really see any weaknesses in his early game micro in that one. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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gravity
Australia2330 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:07 SilverskY wrote: I was really impressed with savior's early game ling micro/pressure against UpMagiC on Destination when he opted to go mech. Didn't really see any weaknesses in his early game micro in that one. Yeah, exactly. I'd say that that's pretty much the strongest point in his game atm, his early micro. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
Hoping Savior wins, simply because it'd be one step closer to the dream final of Savior vs. Nada, hahaha. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:07 gravity wrote: The daum link is broken (has "..." in the middle), does anyone have the correct one? http://sportslive.media.daum.net/live_tiny/player.jsp?channel=MSL&league=ESPORTS&game=ESPORTS2009022601&home=21&away=60 I guess? | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:00 Qwertify wrote: Why does everyone keep saying things just like your point B. If ZvZ is so volatile, then how can it be that Jaedong has a 80% winrate (the highest ever for a mirror match up) in it? I think this is exactly where then we might think MJY has the edge, in that he has that natural talent to control the pace and direction of the match by successfully playing mind games with his opponent. Why do people always use ONE person as a counterexample for everything? Such as "JD dominates ZvZ" or "nobody saw Mind coming why not Zero". People aren't saying ZvZ is 100% a coin flip and incredible skill can't overcome that. People aren't saying 100% Zero doesn't have the mental fortitude to do well in this series. One counterexample is just that, a counterexample. They are relevant to every argument but often overemphasized. They weaken absolutes but anyone with half a brain knows that ZvZ is relatively volatile as a matchup, and that nerves and experience play a large role in a series. JD is NOT involved in this ZvZ. Zero's mental fortitude is to be determined. This is a hard series to predict. That's all that can really be said with certainty. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:03 JWD wrote: Check that, I've only checked MSL series. The last MSL Bo5 was in June 07. But I'm not sure about OSL.... now I'm curious, I'll go take a look in TLPD. OK, I just went back and looked at all the individual leagues in TLPD. Here's the skinny: This match is indeed the first ZvZ Bo5 since GoRush 3>0 July in GOMTV MSL S2 (June 2007). Not counting WCG 2007 (where there were 2 ZvZ Bo3s in the Ro16 or something), the only ZvZ BoX series since GOMTV MSL S2 was Yarnc > type-b in the ClubDay MSL Ro16 (but this was a Bo3, not a Bo5). So yes, ZvZ series have basically been dead for 2 years. Not surprising, when you consider Jaedong, Savior, GGPlay, and July are pretty much the only Zergs who've even qualified for knockout stages of individual leagues over the past 2 years. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On February 26 2009 18:07 iloveHieu wrote: lol you guys' photoshop skills = as pathetic as mine.. Hey...that's Paint skills. | ||
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