EPT[WL] WStars vs SKT1 - Page 62
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On February 17 2009 04:37 Avidkeystamper wrote: Is it me, or do the four kings (and by that I mean Jd/Bisu) seem less reliable than they did just a month ago? Only Flash seems unshakeable and Stork, well, he's far too gone. Every player has their good times and bad times. Savior had them even during his "bonjwa" streak. Flash will have them again too. Don't count out Stork to come right back either this season. Hell, it's not like this is a "bad time" really for Bisu. He still won two games before losing to Guemchi. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 17 2009 05:49 iloveHieu wrote: give Bisu a break, only if his all his teammates could beat more than one dude -_- I think 4 players each side seem a bit too small and doesn't represent the overall team well =( Flash does it! Routinely even, and then goes on to play 45 minute TvT's and come back from the brink. Besides that though, 4 players is plenty really because we're already seeing who carries their team. Khan is being carried by Jangbi, there is KTFlash, OZ relies really heavily on Jaedong as evidenced by his brutal sniping. The one team that really doesn't have one person carrying them is CJ Entus and look at their record, there is a correlation. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
Overall: Both teams are failing at proleague atm compared to what they could achieve Jangbi/Bisu: The solid protoss taking it home (well not exactly today for Bisu but he still won 2) Stork/Best: The protoss who was fucking sick not so long ago but is now in a slump FBH/Fantasy: The terran who should be good but somehow sucks + "some zergs" | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On February 17 2009 08:48 Matoo- wrote: Seriously does anyone else see a pattern between SKT and KHAN ? Overall: Both teams are failing at proleague atm compared to what they could achieve Jangbi/Bisu: The solid protoss taking it home (well not exactly today for Bisu but he still won 2) Stork/Best: The protoss who was fucking sick not so long ago but is now in a slump FBH/Fantasy: The terran who should be good but somehow sucks + "some zergs" Fantasy is suffering from Canata Syndrome. | ||
disciple
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
On February 17 2009 05:23 KizZBG wrote: And that is why Bisu isn't bonjwa. Since when does one random proleague game have any say in a bonjwa argument? Even still, just for reference: Savior in Proleague during his Bonjwa period - a flat 80% (8-2) win rate in both round one and round two. Bisu in last round of Proleague - 83.33% (with a more impressive 15-3) in round one and currently a still strong 60% (6-4) in winners league. Given his current form I personally can only predict that number to go up. I'm not saying Bisu is bonjwa nor am I excusing his loss to Guemchi, but I really just want to stress to everybody - stop making a big deal over every loss. The best of the best have winning percentages in the low-mid 60s. And that's a select few. No one wins every game, and no one loses only to other top tier players. Until recently Savior himself had an all time career winning streak of 7 - meaning he lost at least one game out of every 8 games he played, no matter what the height of his dominance. Bisu is still the best Protoss in the world right now. Bisu is still top three best players overall. While he may not go on a 10 win Proleague streak like Flash, he is still a strong contender (and IMO, the player to beat) in any BoX vs. anyone in the world. And in the end, that's what matters. Anyone can lose a Bo1 vs anyone. Winning a series is what counts. I may have over-argued my point, but I get tired of seeing people go off on players for every loss they get. And not just Bisu, but anyone. Jaedong still loses ZvZs and Flash still loses TvTs, its a fact of Starcraft. (Note: I know you (Kizzbg) weren't directly attacking Bisu or claiming he's slumping ect, I just used your post as a starting point for my "every body loses sometime!" rant  ) | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On February 17 2009 11:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: But Flash and Jaedong aren't considered bonjwas by anybody, so it's moot to compare Bisu to them. Your comparison to savior is well-founded though. Once, again, the point is not on "bonjwa". It's on the slumping/sucking-just-because-they-lost-one-game rant that pops out all the time for top players like FlaSh, Jaedong, and Bisu. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
of couse bisu would lose to guemchi! Guemchi is next bonjwa | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On February 17 2009 14:05 BanZu wrote: Once, again, the point is not on "bonjwa". It's on the slumping/sucking-just-because-they-lost-one-game rant that pops out all the time for top players like FlaSh, Jaedong, and Bisu. "Since when does one random proleague game have any say in a bonjwa argument?" Don't know what point you're talking about. I'm talking about the one I responded to. | ||
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
On February 17 2009 15:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: "Since when does one random proleague game have any say in a bonjwa argument?" Don't know what point you're talking about. I'm talking about the one I responded to. My brain certainly jumps around a lot, though I stated him my post that I was not making an argument for Bisu being Bonjwa (though what I said certainly could be seen as such an argument) I was merely stating that a random loss in Proleauge, especially given said players overall performance of late, should never be the basis of a claim to that players skill. I also mentioned that the post I quoted was used simply as a jump off point for my lay-off-the-kings rant, and that my post wasn't targeted at that particular poster or Bisu being Bonjwa. But yes, I can be quite confusing!  | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 17 2009 08:48 Matoo- wrote: Seriously does anyone else see a pattern between SKT and KHAN ? Overall: Both teams are failing at proleague atm compared to what they could achieve Jangbi/Bisu: The solid protoss taking it home (well not exactly today for Bisu but he still won 2) Stork/Best: The protoss who was fucking sick not so long ago but is now in a slump FBH/Fantasy: The terran who should be good but somehow sucks + "some zergs" This is a pretty fair comparison, aside from the fact that Fantasy was playing pretty well in WL until this past week...he scored 2 kills against both KTF (beating Flash !!) and eSTRO. | ||
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5tarscream
Singapore459 Posts
it the third loss for SK T1 with Bisu, boxer, best. iluvoov and rest. | ||
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elee02
United States1 Post
why no obs at home? | ||
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