Thank you. God damn, the intro music is so freaking badass. Is it weird that even with this, I would never openly listen to it in front of my friends? It reeks of screamo.
On December 24 2008 18:45 PH wrote: Is it like not working for anyone else? Daum stream is laggy as shit as usual, but even YY isn't working for some reason...T_T.
On December 24 2008 18:59 Burre wrote: Someone might have mentioned this already but, aren't these two good friends IRL? I remember reading something like that in an FBH interview.
Would FBH know about relationships between an OGN and a WeMade player?
On December 24 2008 18:59 Burre wrote: Someone might have mentioned this already but, aren't these two good friends IRL? I remember reading something like that in an FBH interview.
Would FBH know about relationships between an OGN and a WeMade player?
Yes, he said the three of them had been friends and playing games with each other since way back.
I must say, I'm liking the use of queens (especially since it actually didn't lose him the game!).
It was pretty damn funny... I could tell the observer was looking all around the map for a defiler den to save him from Go.Go's push, and when he didn't find it they made it sound like it was over. Then the obs showed 5 queens. I laughed out loud, and would have sworn he accidentally made them instead of like mutalisks or something. Then the broodlings came and I laughed even louder.
On December 24 2008 19:09 geno wrote: I must say, I'm liking the use of queens (especially since it actually didn't lose him the game!).
It was pretty damn funny... I could tell the observer was looking all around the map for a defiler den to save him from Go.Go's push, and when he didn't find it they made it sound like it was over. Then the obs showed 5 queens. I laughed out loud, and would have sworn he accidentally made them instead of like mutalisks or something. Then the broodlings came and I laughed even louder.
I don't think it's possible to make a queen mistakenly. The M key is pretty far away from Q
On December 24 2008 19:09 geno wrote: I must say, I'm liking the use of queens (especially since it actually didn't lose him the game!).
It was pretty damn funny... I could tell the observer was looking all around the map for a defiler den to save him from Go.Go's push, and when he didn't find it they made it sound like it was over. Then the obs showed 5 queens. I laughed out loud, and would have sworn he accidentally made them instead of like mutalisks or something. Then the broodlings came and I laughed even louder.
I don't think it's possible to make a queen mistakenly. The M key is pretty far away from Q
It was pretty disorienting to see 5 queens on screen at one time like that, I thought he found a way to screw that up.
Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Even though that was crazy costly, those 2 tanks would probably have destroyed his hydra army that could not have possibly gotten to them. But it definitely looked intentional in the replay, down to the unit mixture. He never gave up on the mutalisks and kept picking off tanks at every opportunity to make sure go.go's tank:goliath ratio was scewed enough for a small number of queens to be tide-turning in a battle. Then when the queens weren't ready during gogos first push, he countered with his flank force to bring him back to his base. I think he did a lot better at taking out tanks than he had even hoped for though, since there were only two left by the time gogos push came and the queens got them with like 2 broodlings to spare.
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
Kingdom used fast scout build against terran...^^;;
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
Kingdom used fast scout build against terran...^^;;
I was just giving a recent example. I know Kal didnt invent this build
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
I have. But that was one-time thing though. The only other time I've seen it in a non-humiliation situation was by Stork, but that was in response to a failed rush. Queens have now been used by several players. Kind of spreading.
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
I have. But that was one-time thing though. The only other time I've seen it in a non-humiliation situation was by Stork, but that was in response to a failed rush. Queens have now been used by several players. Kind of spreading.
several players seems to imply more than 2. who other than jaedong and hyvaa has used queens recently? i'm not discouting you, just wondering.
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
I have. But that was one-time thing though. The only other time I've seen it in a non-humiliation situation was by Stork, but that was in response to a failed rush. Queens have now been used by several players. Kind of spreading.
several players seems to imply more than 2. who other than jaedong and hyvaa has used queens recently? i'm not discouting you, just wondering.
I would argue more that the queens, when used, were used in a useful way. With how they've worked out, I think they have potential at this point, personally. They were part of a specific build, and were integral to it. They were not reactionary, nor a humiliation tactic.
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
I have. But that was one-time thing though. The only other time I've seen it in a non-humiliation situation was by Stork, but that was in response to a failed rush. Queens have now been used by several players. Kind of spreading.
I remember a few builds of Draco vs Mondi where Draco went scout 1st instead of corsair to harass and kill a few drones.
On December 24 2008 19:18 baubo wrote: Now with people using queens strategically, is scout now officially the only unit that you can't incorporate into any build? I think there's at least some use for every other unit in the game.
Scouts can be used in the Stove. Watch Kal vs ForGG in Arena MSL Games 1 and 5
I have. But that was one-time thing though. The only other time I've seen it in a non-humiliation situation was by Stork, but that was in response to a failed rush. Queens have now been used by several players. Kind of spreading.
several players seems to imply more than 2. who other than jaedong and hyvaa has used queens recently? i'm not discouting you, just wondering.
I would argue more that the queens, when used, were used in a useful way. With how they've worked out, I think they have potential at this point, personally. They were part of a specific build, and were integral to it. They were not reactionary, nor a humiliation tactic.
On December 24 2008 19:17 IdrA wrote: wonder if a single terran is gonna beat a zerg in this new map first then medusa is a bitch and a half
While it started pretty bad, it seems to me T are doing much better on Medusa lately =P
the recent win streak is mostly due to mech builds, and at least 2 of them were due to vulture runbys which are really hit and miss, and go.go is alot better than firefirst. the balance isnt shifting.
Lurker dies in go.go's main, more on the way, set up camp at natural. FireFist pumping out of that hidden expo, go.go left him with spire pool and den. Go.go effectively contained, puts up a bunker.
gogo comes back as soon as I press post, waiting once again outside natural. Irrading lurks, FF needs to do something about vessels.. 4 or 5 right now.
gogo parks his dropship next to two scourge, loses it, but bat and rine escape to be slaughtered by lings. FF now sniping vessels. Gogo keeps pumping units FF's way, but nothing happening.
i mean i dunno what firefist is doing i dont see him macroing i dont see him really using his tech and i dont see him using any units.. it doesnt seem like he's doing anything
On December 24 2008 19:57 PH wrote: Z is gonna lose.
ya 3 base +hive tech+5 hatch vs 1 base 1port sk terran usually turns out well for terran ?
Are you watching the game?
lol.
Every lead FF has taken he's thrown.
hes thrown away alot of his advantage, and its STILL 3 base and hive tech with 5 hatch vs 1 base 1 port sk terran.. and he doesnt even have many vessels.
Could possibly be fatigue. He cannot multi-task like a good zerg player should be. If he wins this, I can't see how he has the mentality to beat backho.
On December 24 2008 19:57 PH wrote: Z is gonna lose.
ya 3 base +hive tech+5 hatch vs 1 base 1port sk terran usually turns out well for terran ?
Are you watching the game?
lol.
Every lead FF has taken he's thrown.
hes thrown away alot of his advantage, and its STILL 3 base and hive tech with 5 hatch vs 1 base 1 port sk terran.. and he doesnt even have many vessels.
my zerg would win from here.
I agree, at this point. The game has turned.
However, I still think FF deserves to lose. He played horribly this game.
the game never turned. its been 3 base to 1 since about 30 seconds after they cleared their bases. go.go played better the entire time but never, ever, ever, ever had a shot in hell
i actually liked that game up to and including the base trade, but the second firefists scourges started becoming the most useless scourge i have ever seen the game took a pretty serious turn for the worse
dear god finally it's over. with how horrible the play was, leading to the shaky predictions as for who was leading (not to mention every time I saw FF i read it as FireFox and not FireFist) i was getting a headache just from trying to understand the live reports.
On December 24 2008 20:07 IdrA wrote: the game never turned. its been 3 base to 1 since about 30 seconds after they cleared their bases. go.go played better the entire time but never, ever, ever, ever had a shot in hell
FF losing a third of his drones every other minute led me to think otherwise...-_____-;;
I really can't stand that FF won...I never thought I'd say this, but I feel bad for go.go.
Firefist... BackHo's PvZ is terrible, but if Firefist plays somehow even close to that, I honestly think BackHo's going to win. which would make this a very sad day...
On December 24 2008 20:39 monstar123 wrote: Ala Best vs Effort on Chupung-Ryeong!
lol! That's what I was thinking.
That goon/shuttle/reaver timing build have seen use earlier. Bisu used it against Hyvaa in MST, but credited it to Stork IIRC.
I don't even know what BO backho used because my stream kept freezing. All those goons with FF's 5 hatches with like no units just reminded me of that game :D And this one so far? Reminds me of Best vs Effort too! I've never seen a zerg win yet using this strategy. They always end up way behind economically.
On December 24 2008 20:42 IH4t3z3rg wrote: complete ownage by the great BACKHO! Someone on TL should start to give some credit to the guy :-))
For succeeding with an All-in that his opponent was too dumb to defend? =P
Stork took out Jaedong with the same "all-in", and Jaedong looked helpless against it. It's really rare but works if your opponent doesn't expect it. But I do admit, it looks fucking weird.
FF moves a large force of hydras to backho's nat. He has two archons and cannons to defend. FF manages to snipe them off, BH tries to use probes to defend, lots of probes die. Backho GGs.
On December 24 2008 20:42 IH4t3z3rg wrote: complete ownage by the great BACKHO! Someone on TL should start to give some credit to the guy :-))
For succeeding with an All-in that his opponent was too dumb to defend? =P
Stork took out Jaedong with the same "all-in", and Jaedong looked helpless against it. It's really rare but works if your opponent doesn't expect it. But I do admit, it looks fucking weird.
Goon-reaver? Yeah, it works if your opponent doesn't expect it, but if it fails, you're almost guaranteed to lose. Thus all-in.
BH heading for the nat, with 3 archons and some zealots, FF is trying to get as many free hits before he reaches his nats. Hydras pop out. Now 4 archons with more zealots about to stream in.
FF moving in with hydras knowing templar are dead, still getting chased back by BH's huge army. BH's third up and running, they're on equal bases now. FF better pull something or he's going to lose.
FF just took out Backho's third ... damn that kid needs to learn to defend his bases. BH moving in with epic army, throwing a few useless storms on the sunkens ... but it hardly matters at this point, FF's army is out of place - GG!
Backho 2:1, as per predictions. His PvZ isn't that shitty, just standard Backho fail. Firefist really needs to step up his game.
Hell yeah, BH is a douche for saying ziziYO before FF gg'd; this could go down in the Cybersports Hall of Shame as one of the most epic fails of all time ._.
Maybe the game should be a tie? Take it to 4th game to decide.
Korean chat is going nuts as we speak ... I would assume the rules state that saying GG is conceding the match, so BH is out of this. But he obviously won that game, so it's hard to say.
On December 24 2008 21:27 Sunyveil wrote: well, technically, "zizi yO" isn't that close to "gg" or the korean equivalent, so...
ya it is, they dont have a 'z' character, they use the 'j' character as the equivalent, so its like saying jiji, which sounds like gg. and yo is just a respectful ending.
On December 24 2008 21:27 Sunyveil wrote: well, technically, "zizi yO" isn't that close to "gg" or the korean equivalent, so...
ya it is, they dont have a 'z' character, they use the 'j' character as the equivalent, so its like saying jiji, which sounds like gg. and yo is just a respectful ending.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
Yea, that's the rule. Had FireFist not admitted defeat, the match would have gone to him. Quite a mannered guy (the audience applauded him for that).
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs without something else going on? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly rule a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Funny that I had a perfect stream the whole match, but it starts freezing after the last game, lol. Oh well, text updates are more than enough to confirm the ending. What a crazy group, lol.
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior vs Nalra on sin peaks? Savior vs TT on Neo Requiem?
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
it was an accident as in "gg man get the hell out!" kind of gg
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
LoL what a retard post. Backho won, and he cannot lose that game cause of ziziYO
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior vs Nalra on sin peaks? Savior vs TT on Neo Requiem?
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
No... he probably had it typed and was waiting to hit the enter key as soon as FireFist GG'd himself. That was an obvious GG moment. His hand slipped, or he got a little anxious, that's all.
On December 24 2008 21:35 KizZBG wrote: Should have been a rematch.
i recon to disagree. Sure it could have gone to a rematch if firefist wanted to, but he was really mannered. it clearly was backho's win and i'm sure he himself knew that
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
No... he probably had it typed and was waiting to hit the enter key as soon as FireFist GG'd himself. That was an obvious GG moment. His hand slipped, or he got a little anxious, that's all.
I see. That makes him no less retarded though to actually type something like that in when you don't know when the opponent's going to gg.
I'm glad Backho moved on though. Just so we can see more fun stuff like this.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
They should never have given the option to admit defeat to FireFist. He can't claim a win here without being crucified.
Referees should have stayed objective and either given FireFist the win or just say the game was over already so Backho wins. None of this asking the players crap.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
Lol dude what are you talking about. All those guys did have a chance to win, albeit a small one. Firefist had no chance. No chance whatsoever.
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
No... he probably had it typed and was waiting to hit the enter key as soon as FireFist GG'd himself. That was an obvious GG moment. His hand slipped, or he got a little anxious, that's all.
I see. That makes him no less retarded though to actually type something like that in when you don't know when the opponent's going to gg.
I'm glad Backho moved on though. Just so we can see more fun stuff like this.
Not really, it's common for pros to want to GG back before the other guy leaves the game.
The retarded bit is being so amped up that you push down on it before his opponent's GG.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
Yea, that's the rule. Had FireFist not admitted defeat, the match would have gone to him. Quite a mannered guy (the audience applauded him for that).
If you think the other way, though, had FF ridden on that technicality and advanced, he would likely end up being the most hated player in the OSL...haha.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs without something else going on? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly rule a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
That's KeSPA's rule, yes. It forces a degree of gm between players, and formalizes wins/losses.
Watch the final match of OGN vs KHAN PL grand finals last year...Jangbi won by building elimination, as his opponent (whose ID slips past me) refused to gg, and bad manneredly built random pylons all around the map...-____-;;
I don't see why this is so hard for you to grasp...
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
No... he probably had it typed and was waiting to hit the enter key as soon as FireFist GG'd himself. That was an obvious GG moment. His hand slipped, or he got a little anxious, that's all.
I see. That makes him no less retarded though to actually type something like that in when you don't know when the opponent's going to gg.
I'm glad Backho moved on though. Just so we can see more fun stuff like this.
Not really, it's common for pros to want to GG back before the other guy leaves the game.
The retarded bit is being so amped up that you push down on it before his opponent's GG.
what are you basing that on? no one cares if they get to say gg when they win and no one types it out beforehand.
On December 24 2008 21:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: They should never have given the option to admit defeat to FireFist. He can't claim a win here without being crucified.
Referees should have stayed objective and either given FireFist the win or just say the game was over already so Backho wins. None of this asking the players crap.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
Lol dude what are you talking about. All those guys did have a chance to win, albeit a small one. Firefist had no chance. No chance whatsoever.
How do you define that... It's Kespa, it's OSL, not just some random game between your friends where you can say that the person who was winning won. You can't just decide in every game if they have a chance or not. What if the situation was a bit different, say firefist still had like 10 hydras in his main, although he still was way behind? And then backho GG's first, how do you define if he had a chance or not? Don't you get it -_- You need set rules for these things.
On December 24 2008 21:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: They should never have given the option to admit defeat to FireFist. He can't claim a win here without being crucified.
Referees should have stayed objective and either given FireFist the win or just say the game was over already so Backho wins. None of this asking the players crap.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
Lol dude what are you talking about. All those guys did have a chance to win, albeit a small one. Firefist had no chance. No chance whatsoever.
I think it was because the game was clearly BackHo's, but technically, it should have gone to FF. That's why it had to be resolved as thus...otherwise, I agree, KeSPA should have straight given it to FF.
Perhaps KeSPA, in matters like these, want to give the decision to players so they can avoid being villified no matter the decision...it keeps KeSPA out of that whole thing. haha
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
Lol you refer to Kespa when it was Kespa itself that ruled Backho's victory.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
You're more retarded than backho.
Rules don't overrule reality, you fo. If they called Bisu-July for Bisu instead of July, it'd be a bad call. Same here. If they called it for firefist and he takes it, it's a bad call and a bad player.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
Lol you refer to Kespa when it was Kespa itself that ruled Backho's victory.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
You're more retarded than backho.
Rules don't overrule reality, you fo. If they called Bisu-July for Bisu instead of July, it'd be a bad call. Same here. If they called it for firefist and he takes it, it's a bad call and a bad player.
Yeah, but why couldn't people who were ahead just GG so that the opponent had no chance for coming back? WHy do you keep insulting me for no reason, don't you see that it wouldn't work, in this case it might have been clear but what do you do in borderline situations where the other person is still way behind?
On December 24 2008 21:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: They should never have given the option to admit defeat to FireFist. He can't claim a win here without being crucified.
Referees should have stayed objective and either given FireFist the win or just say the game was over already so Backho wins. None of this asking the players crap.
On December 24 2008 21:44 Shikyo wrote:
On December 24 2008 21:40 .risingdragoon wrote:
On December 24 2008 21:35 Shikyo wrote:
On December 24 2008 21:33 .risingdragoon wrote:
On December 24 2008 21:31 Shikyo wrote:
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior, Nal_rA, etc. You can't force a player to quit and lose even if they're behind, what the fuck? How else would the epic comebacks ever happened? Savior vs TT?
So the person who's ahead can force himself to win by saying "GG"? WTF, and you tell me to get outta here when you're so clueless?
GTFO, this is totally different
Savior-rA is an elimination GAME where both are still capable of winning. In a game where one guy has no CHANCE in hell of winning, and you rule for him and against the winner (despite being an idiot), that's a stupid technicality.
There's no basis in the actual game for firefist winning, so therefore he lost.
How do you define "chance"? Savior didn't have a "chance" to win that game. BackHo could sit in the middle of the map doing nothing, let firefist rebuild and kill him. Boxer had no "chance" against Jojo. Look at the rules, "the person who GGs first loses". Why do you argue against me, when it's impossible to define who won a game and who lost when there are still buildings standing? Backho just was greatly ahead, but didn't win. -_- You win by killing your opponent's buildings, alternatively you can GG, which means you give up. The first person to GG loses. Which part don't you get? Show me the Kespa rules that state that you can GG first if you're ahead, or GTFO yourself, you BM troll.
Lol dude what are you talking about. All those guys did have a chance to win, albeit a small one. Firefist had no chance. No chance whatsoever.
How do you define that... It's Kespa, it's OSL, not just some random game between your friends where you can say that the person who was winning won. You can't just decide in every game if they have a chance or not. What if the situation was a bit different, say firefist still had like 10 hydras in his main, although he still was way behind? And then backho GG's first, how do you define if he had a chance or not? Don't you get it -_- You need set rules for these things.
If it had been more ambiguous, I'm sure more deliberation would have gone in. The commentators looked over the replay to check the game. They saw and confirmed that FF had near zero food count, as the last of his hydras had been pulverized by those storms. You can't argue with that in mind.
There was a lot more that went on than you apparently think. They're not idiots over there. Don't jump to conclusions...especially as it seems you don't know the language at all.
On December 24 2008 21:30 tracer wrote: Backho wins.
It was a complete accident and FireFist himself admitted that the match was lost so... haha.
How the FUCK can it be an "accident"? Backho accidently hitting enter key and typed ziziyo and typed enter again all by accident!?
I find the result fulfilling in terms of Backho deserving to move on, but firefist should deserve at least a rematch just so Failho can be punished by such an epic fail.
So if I understood correctly, after the Z gets T down to 1 base and like no units, like in Zero vs FBH, if Zero had GG'd right there, he would have gotten the game? -_- Okay, I'm done arguing, but "depending on if he had a chance or not" is the most shallow rule ever.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior vs Nalra on sin peaks? Savior vs TT on Neo Requiem?
This games were fucking elemination race, your examples fail more than backho.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior vs Nalra on sin peaks? Savior vs TT on Neo Requiem?
This games were fucking elemination race, your examples fail more than backho.
"who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? " was the question.
On December 24 2008 21:55 Shikyo wrote: So if I understood correctly, after the Z gets T down to 1 base and like no units, like in Zero vs FBH, if Zero had GG'd right there, he would have gotten the game? -_- Okay, I'm done arguing, but "depending on if he had a chance or not" is the most shallow rule ever.
No. If FBH's has no units, his buildings are all on fire and lifted off, and Zero GGs by mistake, Zero should get the win.
On December 24 2008 21:29 .risingdragoon wrote: this is dumb
even if backho is an idiot he still won, so what if he gged first like a retard
he won IN THE game
No he didn't. The person who kills all of the opponent's buildings wins. Alternatively, the player who GG's first and leaves the game loses. Also, after you gg you must leave.
get outta here
who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? and GG is just formality
you can't possibly turn a won game into a loss cus of a couple of letters, that'd be retarded beyond backho
Savior vs Nalra on sin peaks? Savior vs TT on Neo Requiem?
This games were fucking elemination race, your examples fail more than backho.
"who eliminates all buildings to win in pro matchs lately? " was the question.
If your opponent does not leave the game, you will eleminate all buildings man, it's up to other player.
I think what Shikyo is trying to say is that in starcraft nothing is absolute, and that as long as theres the slimmest chance of a player comming back, you should never count him out. Maybe backho was given the win this time, but they should not do this in all cases
Look, it's late late night and somehow I can't tolerate idiocy at this hour.
So here's my calm baby talk:
Backho-Firefist is one guy doing nothing while the other guy does the eliminating. This situation is common, and if the game continues it'd have been 1-man elimination.
Savior-rA is 2 guys with 2 armies trying to finish eachother's buildings off. They're both still in it. That's 2-man elimination.
Draw game is when both have nothing/nothing effective with which to eliminate the other and no mins to make anything. The game ends in draw.
Chalrenge is in a class all by himself. He got a draw game off of Rock by dragging the game out and boring the audience, forcing a regame with public opinion. He also got eliminated but that was in the last game of the PL playoff, it was a "very important" game.
On December 24 2008 21:55 Shikyo wrote: So if I understood correctly, after the Z gets T down to 1 base and like no units, like in Zero vs FBH, if Zero had GG'd right there, he would have gotten the game? -_- Okay, I'm done arguing, but "depending on if he had a chance or not" is the most shallow rule ever.
First Zero won't type GG , second accidents happen even if Zero did type GG FBH has the call to choose if he wants to take the win , continue playing or admit defeat . FF did the right thing and admited defeat , because he was probably going to GG any second enyways its not like you can comeback in ZvP vs 105 supply toss with only drones . In BackHO's case there should be some kind of penalty but not disqualification .
So you think that Bisu should have gotten a rematch , because he was dropped from the game when July destroyed him with no chance of comeback whatsoever ?
On December 24 2008 22:19 firedodo wrote: This is Taboo OSL
I c wat u did thar!
Anyways, BackHo, although he had the advantage, should've been eliminated for stupidity. Don't have GG prepared and fucking waiting (if that's what he did). I would have laughed if in doing that he mismicros or some shit and boom! BackHo is done.
I still wonder why they insist replying back when loser types "gg". They will leave instantly and you can always cover your not typing "gg" because he left already, no point typing it. This makes sure that these things don't happen.
I bet Kespa sends some information to teams to remind that next time who ever types "gg" before it will lose game.
How do you define that... It's Kespa, it's OSL, not just some random game between your friends where you can say that the person who was winning won. You can't just decide in every game if they have a chance or not. What if the situation was a bit different, say firefist still had like 10 hydras in his main, although he still was way behind? And then backho GG's first, how do you define if he had a chance or not? Don't you get it -_- You need set rules for these things.
how do you define that? by knowing more about the game than you apparently because it was obvious the game was done. that aside, all I said was that the referees should not have let the decision up to firefist because they are basically hoping he will make the hard decision for them. if he chooses to advance he'll be hated, so he will choose for backho to advance and the referees stay without blame. it was weak. they should have made the decision themselves no matter what the end result was going to be.
You need set rules for these things.
actually these set rules exist for completely different reasons. you obviously haven't grasped the fact that this rule exist for: no bad manner talk (and generally unprofessional comments) between players. and: good manner gg. thats the only reason this exist, not for some guy saying gg before the game ends. it is an unfortunate side effect of this rule being in effect and shouldn't be taken too harshly. you should get worried when players start trashtalking in the chat. I really don't mind backho advancing from a game that he won anyways, but I also wouldn't have mind referees enforcing the rules. in the end it doesn't really matter.
p.s. things are not as black & white as youre trying to make it out to be. there are tons of rules in the real world that only exist so that they can be enforced in the targetted situation. all the other situations that also fall under this rule are ignored and tolerated.
On December 24 2008 22:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: how do you define that? by knowing more about the game than you apparently because it was obvious the game was done. that aside, all I said was that the referees should not have let the decision up to firefist because they are basically hoping he will make the hard decision for them. if he chooses to advance he'll be hated, so he will choose for backho to advance and the referees stay without blame. it was weak. they should have made the decision themselves no matter what the end result was going to be.
Well, I think the consolation is that he won the public opinion battle.
He lost fair and square but still got a consolation prize, vs if he advanced unfairly which would've been worse than defeat. In the case where the choice is his, he gets to be the hero of the night for doing the right thing.
On December 24 2008 22:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: how do you define that? by knowing more about the game than you apparently because it was obvious the game was done. that aside, all I said was that the referees should not have let the decision up to firefist because they are basically hoping he will make the hard decision for them. if he chooses to advance he'll be hated, so he will choose for backho to advance and the referees stay without blame. it was weak. they should have made the decision themselves no matter what the end result was going to be.
Well, I think the consolation is that he won the public opinion battle.
He lost fair and square but still got a consolation prize, vs if he advanced unfairly which would've been worse than defeat. In the case where the choice is his, he gets to be the hero of the night for doing the right thing in spite of elimination.
yeah but there shouldn't be anything like this going on. it should be: accident happens, common sense cleans up the situation, the end. oh what a rarity that is, though
FBH - ZerO really doesn't apply, as FBH would under no circumstances have given the victory away. No, not because he was in any better position, either. Just because he's extraordinarily cocky, and having to gg to a 'lesser' player than himself puts him on the verge of tears.
How do you define that... It's Kespa, it's OSL, not just some random game between your friends where you can say that the person who was winning won. You can't just decide in every game if they have a chance or not. What if the situation was a bit different, say firefist still had like 10 hydras in his main, although he still was way behind? And then backho GG's first, how do you define if he had a chance or not? Don't you get it -_- You need set rules for these things.
how do you define that? by knowing more about the game than you apparently because it was obvious the game was done. that aside, all I said was that the referees should not have let the decision up to firefist because they are basically hoping he will make the hard decision for them. if he chooses to advance he'll be hated, so he will choose for backho to advance and the referees stay without blame. it was weak. they should have made the decision themselves no matter what the end result was going to be.
actually these set rules exist for completely different reasons. you obviously haven't grasped the fact that this rule exist for: no bad manner talk (and generally unprofessional comments) between players. and: good manner gg. thats the only reason this exist, not for some guy saying gg before the game ends. it is an unfortunate side effect of this rule being in effect and shouldn't be taken too harshly. you should get worried when players start trashtalking in the chat. I really don't mind backho advancing from a game that he won anyways, but I also wouldn't have mind referees enforcing the rules. in the end it doesn't really matter.
p.s. things are not as black & white as youre trying to make it out to be. there are tons of rules in the real world that only exist so that they can be enforced in the targetted situation. all the other situations that also fall under this rule are ignored and tolerated.
In this situation it's easy, but what if it's not so simple but they're still ahead -_-
How do you define that... It's Kespa, it's OSL, not just some random game between your friends where you can say that the person who was winning won. You can't just decide in every game if they have a chance or not. What if the situation was a bit different, say firefist still had like 10 hydras in his main, although he still was way behind? And then backho GG's first, how do you define if he had a chance or not? Don't you get it -_- You need set rules for these things.
how do you define that? by knowing more about the game than you apparently because it was obvious the game was done. that aside, all I said was that the referees should not have let the decision up to firefist because they are basically hoping he will make the hard decision for them. if he chooses to advance he'll be hated, so he will choose for backho to advance and the referees stay without blame. it was weak. they should have made the decision themselves no matter what the end result was going to be.
You need set rules for these things.
actually these set rules exist for completely different reasons. you obviously haven't grasped the fact that this rule exist for: no bad manner talk (and generally unprofessional comments) between players. and: good manner gg. thats the only reason this exist, not for some guy saying gg before the game ends. it is an unfortunate side effect of this rule being in effect and shouldn't be taken too harshly. you should get worried when players start trashtalking in the chat. I really don't mind backho advancing from a game that he won anyways, but I also wouldn't have mind referees enforcing the rules. in the end it doesn't really matter.
p.s. things are not as black & white as youre trying to make it out to be. there are tons of rules in the real world that only exist so that they can be enforced in the targetted situation. all the other situations that also fall under this rule are ignored and tolerated.
In this situation it's easy, but what if it's not so simple but they're still ahead -_-
his point is the rule should be applied on a case by case basis, not hardline black and white like you suggested earlier in the thread
Kespa should not talk to players situation like this. Well any case really. Basically firefist had to choose what to do, its referees thing not players.
If referees would have chosen firefist to win and never talked to players there would never been talk about how badmannered Backho or firefist was. All the blame would be directed to referees and rules.
I blame Kespa making poor decisions (not saying their decision wasn't bad for fans).
One of the failest win ever in StarCraft history, haha. If FireFist argues that he should have won because of BackHo's retardedness, he might get bad reputation for it since the game was clearly BackHo's win, it it got into an elimination race, BackHo will clearly win. It was just BackHo thinking that FireFist typed out already, then he realized that FireFist hadn't GG'ed out yet. Epic Fail again, haha.
I dont know why people go alt+qq isnt control+qq easier? You could use pinky on control and middle finger on q compared to thumb on alt and ring on q. I would understand if he pressed control+qq and left by accident because maybe he was trying to hotkey something to 1 and misreached and pressed q.
On December 25 2008 01:32 SkelA wrote: lol so funny gonna watch vod when its out btw what zizi yo means in korean ?
zizi, when pronounced in konglish, sounds like g-g. It's a cute way of typing GG. Whenever you see zizi, gg, ㅎㅎ or ㅈㅈ it is all the same. And the "yo" that sometimes follows up it's not "yo" in the english sense of "yo, wassup bro?", but in Korea, when talking to older people, you end up your phrases with "yo" in sign of respect.
Btw, FireFist has shown some manners and wiseness. I'm cheering on this guy from now on. He made the right choice in the toughest spot. BackHo should have been disqualified, even if FireFist has only an extractor left and BackHo was 200/200 with all map control.
Yeah, it's a dumb mistake, but you are a pro, you get paid for not being that stupid. I've seen olympic contenders losing their spot to a lesser representative because they made some stupid mistake. Sucks, but it's no one else's fault. Just your own carelessness.
Referees should have gotten a pair of balls and let FireFist go through. Not because FireFist deserved it. But because BackHo screwed up on his own, and the rule is that the first one to type out is conceding. FireFist should have not been put in that position. Maybe they should have put BackHo in that position and give him two choices. 1. Man up and cccept the consequences of your own stupidity. 2. Be a faggot and beg for your pass ticket and be shown as a bigger idiot.
On December 26 2008 03:19 Avidkeystamper wrote: I always thought the first one to leave the game was the loser, can someone find the rules to clarify?
Not in the proleagues... it's illegal to chat either, except to concede, so either way you want to look at it, BackHo should have been DQ'ed according to the rules.
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