On October 24 2008 14:05 OneOther wrote:
Are you serious? Stork is one of the most versatile players in the game. His ability to adapt and adjust is what makes him a superb player. Given Stork and Best, Stork has the advantage in terms of strategic flexibility - he has shown a much broader range of play styles than Best. I can't believe you actually just said Stork is less creative than Best. Do you even watch StarCraft? I don't mean to offend you in any way, but that's just an outlandish claim. Best has been, and still is solely known for his macro game. Without a doubt, he has the flattest style out the top Protoss players you mentioned. Best sets himself up in a comfortable economical position, then just wins by outmacroing his opponent. You admit Stork does cool strategies, but you are unwilling to call him a creative player because he is not a "balls out" type of player. Of course Stork is not creative compared to the standards of Nal_ra or Boxer. That's a ridiculous comparison.

Essentially your argument is that Stork's not a creative player because he isn't versatile and doesn't measure up to nal_ra or boxer. I think most of people can agree that Stork has amazing, instinctual adaptability. And that although his creativity and strategic spectrum do not compare to those of nal_ra or boxer, he displays the most variety in his games than any Protoss player out there these days. Certainly more than Best.

I honestly don't even know why you are comparing Stork and Nal_ra at all. Nobody is as creative as ra is, but that doesn't justify Stork being uncreative. Every Protoss is a mechanical player these days. Stork crosses the borderline more frequently than anyone else, though.

Look my argument isnt that Stork isnt creative because he isnt as good as Nal_Ra, I was comparing the two in good light as the top of the creative and mechanical side of Protoss. Which I think is a very good comparison, thought I may have worded it in a bad way so sorry if you misunderstood. What I am saying here is that Best is a more creative player in this matchup than Stork which is what my posts have advocated since the start. He obtained the amazing streak he has in this matchup by being creative and adaptive to his opponents style. Stork however has stuck to his strategies when confronted with a situation he was unsure of, his GSI PvT consisted of Carriers on Katrina which failed against Flash but he stuck to his guns anyway.

Stork is still a better Protoss all around but what I was saying before you singled out that one part of my post was that he is inferior to Best because he is not sure of how to beat him. Stork will most likely stick to a heavy macro game because it is safe in PvP to have a consistent build with good timing, and against Best he has to do that well. But Best is on top of his game right now and is going to feel this game and this scenario better than Stork will, I think that is where he is going to shine. I am not trying to trash Stork or say that he sucks because he isnt Nal_Ra, in fact Stork is easily one of the best Protoss right now and has been for a while now. His mechanics are second to none in my opinion and he if he didnt have such terrible finals experiences he would be considered one of the best ever. I guess my post may have been worded bad, but I feel as if you took that one aspect of it a bit too hard. I was merely trying to give a good example of a creative toss to compare to Storks even macro style, not attempting to put the two in the same schools of Protoss which I wrote about in an earlier post.

Yes, exacty - that's where our difference lies. I don't agree with you that Best is a more creative player in PvP than Stork is. See, those two are both so incredibly solid in this matchup that it becomes difficult to analyze which player is better at what aspect. I do believe, however, that Stork is more on the finesse/strategic ground and Best is closer to all out macro mode. I think it's safe to say that most people will agree with that categorization.

Your evidence regarding Best's creativity is highly flawed. How can you say that he is more creative than Stork just based on a winning streak? He is winning a lot of games because he's a great player, especially in the macro department. That does not prove that his ability to adapt is better than Stork's. Also, I don't understand why you bring in Stork's games vs Flash. I thought we were talking about flexibility and creativity in PvP? It's unfair use that against Stork. Flash was unstoppable at the time, and losing to him didn't mean much. Protoss didn't know what to do. Arbiters, Carriers, or whatever Protoss could come up with could not slow down Flash...

It's debatable who will be able to "feel the scenario" better. They are unbelievable at this matchup, they are both at the top of their game. You don't really back up your statement with anything besides your personal opinion. Like I said earlier, I think there is a general consensus that Best is more macro-oriented, whereas Stork is about the adaptability and versatility. This is not to say that either one is weak in any area.

I agree with the majority of what you say, especially that both are great players and are not weak in either department. But in any event we disagree on the basic level, so agree to disagree sir!

o3.power91

Bahrain5288 Posts

October 24 2008 07:46 GMT

#125

If Stork wins today, I'll change my favorite team icon to samsung. Hes not the only reason though (FBH is fucking awesome

)

Edit: Rooting for BeSt

Ilikestarcraft

Korea (South)17726 Posts

October 24 2008 07:50 GMT

#126

I havent seen a pvp in awhile but this seems interesting to watch

United States2898 Posts

October 24 2008 07:56 GMT

#127

Song Byung Goo FIGHTING!

Fontong

United States6454 Posts

October 24 2008 07:57 GMT

#128

On October 24 2008 16:50 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I havent seen a pvp in awhile but this seems interesting to watch

yeah, pvps can have the largest range of quality of all the MUs imo. some are just completely boring 1 base until someone loses 1 unit more than the other and gets broken. when they are epic they are epic though.

hoping for epic games tonight, considering that I have class about 4 hours after this is going to be over, it had better be good.

Lukeeze[zR]

Switzerland6838 Posts

October 24 2008 07:58 GMT

#129

On October 23 2008 22:18 SilverSkyLark wrote:

tyanvit

185 Posts

October 24 2008 08:04 GMT

#130

If Stork wins any gold -- he might go on a crazy bonjwa tear afterwards.
If this year he loses MSL and OSL - i highly doubt he is going to be able to replicate this type of oppurtunity.

It of course, depends on his attitude and stamina -- so i am only stating my humble ramblings.

I believe in Stork, come on bro.
Show us your best series now and in the final -- Put A "Licensed Monster" Royal Seal on your career.

WingSandrockX

Korea (North)1164 Posts

October 24 2008 08:06 GMT

#131

--- Nuked ---

foodontable

China341 Posts

October 24 2008 08:11 GMT

#132

My gut feeling is that IF Stork takes this, Fantasy will surprise everyone and destroy him. However, if Best should win, I think he will beat Fantasy in a close one. (Teammate series always seem to be pretty close. Ex: Iris and Savior, ForGG and JD) But then again maybe I'm just an SKT fanboy.

tyanvit

185 Posts

October 24 2008 08:11 GMT

#133

That is a weird post.
I do not have any money, my parents provide me -- so i cannot bet you.
Okay bro, i will be back later and talk.
Have fun.
Love ya hon.

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

October 24 2008 08:12 GMT

#134

On October 24 2008 17:11 foodontable wrote:
My gut feeling is that IF Stork takes this, Fantasy will surprise everyone and destroy him. However, if Best should win, I think he will beat Fantasy in a close one. (Teammate series always seem to be pretty close. Ex: Iris and Savior, ForGG and JD) But then again maybe I'm just an SKT fanboy.

Yes, you are

tyanvit

185 Posts

October 24 2008 08:12 GMT

#135

I agree about that Fantasy might beat Stork.
The gut feeling is the same for me!

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

October 24 2008 08:14 GMT

#136

STOP IT YOU T1 FANBOYS

Vasoline73

United States7800 Posts

October 24 2008 08:14 GMT

#137

I can't believe I'm staying up to watch my least favorite matchup! And not only that, but I'm super ass excited about it. Never thought I would say it, but I almost hope Stork pulls it out. Hopefully the games are dramatic either way.

tyanvit

185 Posts

October 24 2008 08:18 GMT

#138

On October 24 2008 17:14 Vasoline73 wrote:
I can't believe I'm staying up to watch my least favorite matchup! And not only that, but I'm super ass excited about it. Never thought I would say it, but I almost hope Stork pulls it out. Hopefully the games are dramatic either way.

Those guys work their butts off -- and all we do is just observe the product of their dedication and determination.
Only people who are driven enough get to the top 4.
*BackHo being the exception
Few are consistent enough to be on top for a long time.
Those 2 are certainly the top 1% of SC World.

PvP -- is not the most exciting match up just like any mirror for me is not hat intriguing.
But Honestly, i doubt that another Flash vs Jaedong series would have me this excited.

zatic

Zurich15325 Posts

October 24 2008 08:19 GMT

#139

I can't even ninja watch since I got the worst desk in the office today where the entire floor walks past on their way from coffee or bathrooms :-( And I can hardly upload the VODs later without getting the results spoiled :-(

Need to get me one of those screen foils that are only translucent from a certain angle.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

October 24 2008 08:20 GMT

#140

If Stork beats Best, he's most likely gonna take the finals. That is unless Fantasy pulls out some killer TvP. Stork's PvT is simply incredible, and at such a high level right now. Would take some epic mindgames + Stork's usual meltdown in the Finals for Fantasy to win.

But with that being said, Best > Stork in 4.