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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-16 18:53:45
October 16 2008 00:47 GMT
#1
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MBC Game StarLeague Round of 16, Day 1


Matches

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(P)Kal < Medusa > (T)Iris


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(P)free[gm] < Byzantium 2 > (Z)Jaedong


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(T)firebathero < Destination > (P)Tempest


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(T)Hwasin < Byzantium 2 > (P)Bisu


Odds and Analysis

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(P)Kal 48%-52% (T)Iris
Nobody has really heard from (P)Kal in a long time. However, he is still one of the top tosses. (T)Iris, on the other hand, has been on (T)fire (7-3 last 10). Medusa so far has been rather balanced PvT (statistically, at least). If (T)Iris can keep up the pace at which he has been playing, he should take take this set.

(P)free[gm] 37%-63% (Z)Jaedong
Zerg has NEVER won on a map with Byzantium as part of its name. free has been doing relatively well recently, but nothing special. (Z)Jaedong, however, is 8-2 in his last 10 overall and 9-1 in has last 10 ZvP. If (Z)Jaedong didn't have to play 2 matches the day before, he would win this without a problem. But, free now has the advantage in practice time. I expect (Z)Jaedong to take this set, but I wouldn't be too surprised if free won.

(T)firebathero 49%-51% (P)Tempest
(T)firebathero beat (P)Much and (P)Bisu. (P)Tempest managed to sneak (T)by.fantasy and (T)RuBy. I would give (T)firebathero the advantage here because he has probably been practicing nothing but TvP for the last month.

(T)Hwasin 43%-57% (P)Bisu
(T)Hwasin has not played a TvP since early July. He has not won a TvP since May. He is 3-8 against (P)Bisu. The only thing in (P)Bisu's way to the quarterfinal is the map itself, not (T)Hwasin. I expect (P)Bisu to take this set.


RESULTS

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(P)[b]Kal[/b] > (T)Iris
(P)[b]free[/b] > (Z)Jaedong
(T)[b]firebathero[/b] > (P)Tempest
(T)Hwasin < (P)[b]Bisu[/b]




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boongee
Profile Joined November 2004
United States967 Posts
October 16 2008 01:01 GMT
#2
I went with

Kal > Iris
Free < Jaedong
FBH < Tempest
Hwasin < Bisu

this doesn't start for like 7 more hours, right?
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
October 16 2008 02:56 GMT
#3
Kal, Free, Firebathero, Bisu. Why not?
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 16 2008 03:10 GMT
#4
Dude, the odds and stuff you do for these are awesome, just want to say keep up the good work!
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
October 16 2008 03:25 GMT
#5
you give fbh the advantage but have him at 49%?
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
October 16 2008 03:29 GMT
#6
Free < Jaedong
FBH < Tempest
Hwasin < Bisu
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 16 2008 03:38 GMT
#7
Bisu beating Hwasin in a close and good game, please. FBH vs Tempest should also be interesting.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
October 16 2008 03:45 GMT
#8
On October 16 2008 12:25 LosingID8 wrote:
you give fbh the advantage but have him at 49%?
I recall seeing 3 Lions post that the percentages is not a rating he gives, but a sum of a number of stats such as last 10, last 10 in matchup, overall matchup percentage and a couple others. It's entirely possible that FBH's past atrocious TvP has skewed the stats to have him lower than Tempest.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
October 16 2008 03:54 GMT
#9
Kal > Iris (has everyone forgotten that Kal gave fOrGG his hardest series last MSL? His TvP is still godly)
Jaedong > free (JD vs. Protoss = win, I don't care what map it's on)
FBH > Tempest (if FBH can take down Much and Bisu, he can deal with Tempest's shenanigans)
Bisu > Hwasin (Bisu always > Hwasin)

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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
October 16 2008 04:02 GMT
#10
i'm waiting for the red sniper to just completely explode and play out of his mind vs bisu. you know he's motivated for sure.

i think bisu is going to be in trouble.
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Enrique
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States377 Posts
October 16 2008 04:04 GMT
#11
(P)Kal, (Z)Jaedong, (T)firebathero, (P)Bisu... gogo!!

Here's hoping for a great night.
~Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges~
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
October 16 2008 04:06 GMT
#12
Jaedong and Bisu will pull through. The other two matches I'm a bit uncertain. I'm opting for Kal only because I like his playstyle more than Iris but Iris is no slouch. FBH vs. Tempest...well, FBH won against Bisu and Much but lost against Free. I wanna say FBH but Tempest seems like a more stable choice.
this is my quote.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 16 2008 04:09 GMT
#13
Remember when everyone said that Katrina was going to be a graveyard for zerg because there was no places to flank.
Jaedong 14-2 on Katrina. ><
Jaedong
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
October 16 2008 04:14 GMT
#14
On October 16 2008 10:01 boongee wrote:
I went with

Kal > Iris
Free < Jaedong
FBH < Tempest
Hwasin < Bisu

this doesn't start for like 7 more hours, right?

this is for me as well except for kal > iris.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
October 16 2008 04:18 GMT
#15
I believe in Iris
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
October 16 2008 04:42 GMT
#16
On October 16 2008 13:14 Raithed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2008 10:01 boongee wrote:
I went with

Kal > Iris
Free < Jaedong
FBH < Tempest
Hwasin < Bisu

this doesn't start for like 7 more hours, right?

this is for me as well except for kal > iris.

you just repeated what he said.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 16 2008 04:44 GMT
#17
I think he meant he thinks Iris>Kal. As in he didn't make a typo, the sentence is just structured oddly.
Jaedong
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 16 2008 04:45 GMT
#18
On October 16 2008 13:42 capek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2008 13:14 Raithed wrote:
On October 16 2008 10:01 boongee wrote:
I went with

Kal > Iris
Free < Jaedong
FBH < Tempest
Hwasin < Bisu

this doesn't start for like 7 more hours, right?

this is for me as well except for kal > iris.

you just repeated what he said.


I think he means he agrees with them all except kal vs iris (meaning he thinks iris > kal)
sAviOr...
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
October 16 2008 05:00 GMT
#19
Kal, FBH, Jaedong, HWASIN!!!
the truest opportunists thrive in the maelstrom
Loveletter
Profile Joined November 2006
United States543 Posts
October 16 2008 05:25 GMT
#20
FBH is takin the entire thing so baiiiiiii
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