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[OSL] Grand Final: July versus BeSt - Page 79

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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 12 2008 20:37 GMT
#1561
You're just a July Hater.

fuck off and die.


go Tushin~
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-12 20:45:40
July 12 2008 20:39 GMT
#1562
On July 13 2008 05:28 IntoTheWow wrote:
July's micro with guardians is more than "moving them". I mean if he was actually microing them, he would have splitted them before hand.

I'm not pointing it at being something TERRIBLY BAD. I'm just saying that people said like July had best micro, macro, game sense, game plan, mind to win the games, more everything. If I said july's drone splits early game WERE MIND BLOWING, these people, they would agree with me.

Do you see my point and what im arguing against?


I do see your point, but it's kinda moot since Best didn't storm them dead on and guards aren't clumped that tight.

-PS Okay I just watched it again: July moved his guards forward right as Best stormed, so he kinda missed the guards with the storms.

All I know is July played a near-perfect ZvP game, pulled all the stops against someone who clearly had practiced several strategies and was not completely helpless as the game went on. Best moved out with a huge army before July had ultras, so if not for the guardians it's possible the game might've gone on longer or been closer.

But those guards also didn't just pop in to the game. July planned them by getting the greater spire ahead of time. It turned out to be a great move.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
July 12 2008 20:42 GMT
#1563
On July 13 2008 05:37 funkie wrote:
You're just a July Hater.

fuck off and die.


God i hope you die in a fire.
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ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
July 12 2008 20:44 GMT
#1564
Yawn, why even bring up such a debateable and subjective thing as "easier run" unless you just want to discredit someone? I mean, what else does it come to except "Yeah he won, but he had an easier run so..."

July owned Best, is the OSL champion and winner of the golden mouse, not much else matters.
Pulp can move, baby!
dyodyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Philippines578 Posts
July 12 2008 20:44 GMT
#1565
On July 13 2008 05:35 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2008 05:32 dyodyo wrote:
On July 13 2008 05:10 IntoTheWow wrote:
All that being said i think July's ZvP is WAY stronger than BeSt, no arguing that (like I said a billion times already). Just that overall BeSt seems like a more complete player than July for me.

Fixed.

IMO, currently BeSt can't be more "complete" than July. You said it yourself, July is way stronger ZvP than best and also July overcame an all Z group so his vZ should be at least good enough. So that is 2 out of 3 matchups that July is "good" at. Then lets take BeSt, he defeated T and P on his way to the finals so that is also 2 out of 3 matchups. You can argue that BeSt was able to defeat a Z in Luxury but July also beat two T's (Mind and Frozean) so that cancels that argument out.

So at the very least, currently, July is equal to BeSt in the "completeness" category. But since July won this OSL then he gets +1 and is now better than BeSt.




Are you actually mentioning July beating Frozean as July being good at ZvT? Frozean? Seriously? Did you even know his record or results against zerg?


I didn't say that he was good against T. I just said that even if you argue that Best maybe good vZ due to his win against Luxury then the fact that July also beat two Terrans would cancel it out. If you read my post, I only counted 2 out 3 matchups for each.

I just "fixed" your post since it was clearly just your opinion.
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #26
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
July 12 2008 20:45 GMT
#1566
On May 24 2008 10:20 Guybrush wrote:
July is taking the golden mouse this OSL. You heard it here first.


On July 11 2008 01:54 Guybrush wrote:
He 3-0d Pusan in Shinhan2005, and he will 3-0 Neo-Pusan in this final.


Outmicroed
Outmacroed
Outexpoed
Outsmarted
Outplayed

GG.

Btw Nada and Julys biggest strengths have always been their mechanics and being able to execute any strat, and this is why they have no problem competing with the "modern", "technical", "perfect" macro players of today. And they're more experienced now than before when they'd win SLs purely by supreme mechanical play.

Obviously they have great mental abilities as well which are needed to become champions. I dont think Best possess that attribute and its why he'll never become a champion. I expect him to fade away from SLs like Pusan within the next year or two.


Nada and July has it. Now only Reach has to come back and win back to back OSLs and my life is complete. YES IT WILL HAPPEN

Thank you Tushin
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
July 12 2008 20:45 GMT
#1567
On July 13 2008 05:44 dyodyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2008 05:35 IntoTheWow wrote:
On July 13 2008 05:32 dyodyo wrote:
On July 13 2008 05:10 IntoTheWow wrote:
All that being said i think July's ZvP is WAY stronger than BeSt, no arguing that (like I said a billion times already). Just that overall BeSt seems like a more complete player than July for me.

Fixed.

IMO, currently BeSt can't be more "complete" than July. You said it yourself, July is way stronger ZvP than best and also July overcame an all Z group so his vZ should be at least good enough. So that is 2 out of 3 matchups that July is "good" at. Then lets take BeSt, he defeated T and P on his way to the finals so that is also 2 out of 3 matchups. You can argue that BeSt was able to defeat a Z in Luxury but July also beat two T's (Mind and Frozean) so that cancels that argument out.

So at the very least, currently, July is equal to BeSt in the "completeness" category. But since July won this OSL then he gets +1 and is now better than BeSt.




Are you actually mentioning July beating Frozean as July being good at ZvT? Frozean? Seriously? Did you even know his record or results against zerg?


I didn't say that he was good against T. I just said that even if you argue that Best maybe good vZ due to his win against Luxury then the fact that July also beat two Terrans would cancel it out. If you read my post, I only counted 2 out 3 matchups for each.

I just "fixed" your post since it was clearly just your opinion.


Of course it was an opinion, 90% of the things said in the last pages were.
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dyodyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Philippines578 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-12 20:54:33
July 12 2008 20:49 GMT
#1568
On July 13 2008 05:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2008 05:44 dyodyo wrote:
On July 13 2008 05:35 IntoTheWow wrote:
On July 13 2008 05:32 dyodyo wrote:
On July 13 2008 05:10 IntoTheWow wrote:
All that being said i think July's ZvP is WAY stronger than BeSt, no arguing that (like I said a billion times already). Just that overall BeSt seems like a more complete player than July for me.

Fixed.

IMO, currently BeSt can't be more "complete" than July. You said it yourself, July is way stronger ZvP than best and also July overcame an all Z group so his vZ should be at least good enough. So that is 2 out of 3 matchups that July is "good" at. Then lets take BeSt, he defeated T and P on his way to the finals so that is also 2 out of 3 matchups. You can argue that BeSt was able to defeat a Z in Luxury but July also beat two T's (Mind and Frozean) so that cancels that argument out.

So at the very least, currently, July is equal to BeSt in the "completeness" category. But since July won this OSL then he gets +1 and is now better than BeSt.




Are you actually mentioning July beating Frozean as July being good at ZvT? Frozean? Seriously? Did you even know his record or results against zerg?


I didn't say that he was good against T. I just said that even if you argue that Best maybe good vZ due to his win against Luxury then the fact that July also beat two Terrans would cancel it out. If you read my post, I only counted 2 out 3 matchups for each.

I just "fixed" your post since it was clearly just your opinion.


Of course it was an opinion, 90% of the things said in the last pages were.


I know. That's why I presented my own opinion saying that your opinion has no basis at least for this OSL.

Edited.
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #26
kirtar111
Profile Joined May 2007
United States72 Posts
July 12 2008 20:51 GMT
#1569
Does it matter? All this discussion is after the fact; July gets an OSL trophy and a Golden Mouse +cash prizes, and Best gets his cash prizes but no trophy or title. Boohoo... We should all be happy that professional Starcraft has reached the level where there are 2 people worthy of a Golden Mouse. A victory for July is a victory for excellence in Starcraft.
Jogoling
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-12 20:52:55
July 12 2008 20:51 GMT
#1570
On July 13 2008 05:45 IntoTheWow wrote:

Of course it was an opinion, 90% of the things said in the last pages were.


Except this:

On July 13 2008 03:48 .risingdragoon wrote:
Huge early-game pressure
+1 air armor scourge + hydra + drops defended +1 air attack corsair & 6 reavers
+2 air armor muta + scourge countered +2 air attack corsair reaver
sunken + OL at every expo defended dark templar shenanigans
timing guardian pushed back a super strong mid-game ground army by taking out critical reavers
ultraling swept up everything else


And of course, the 3:0.

I think I'm done.
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ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
July 12 2008 20:55 GMT
#1571
JULY... GOLDEN MOUSE... 3:0.. BISU's FACE...!!! BEST OSL EVER!
go OVERSKY MODE!
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
July 12 2008 20:57 GMT
#1572
haha. i totally called the 3-0. if july hadn't destroyed best's confidence in the first two games....perhaps things would've been different. but the 3rd game just showed the difference b/n him and best. best played really well, but he was destroyed by july. that was one of the best pvz's i've seen in a while. there's no doubt that july deserves his golden mouse
Stork's biggest fan
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 12 2008 21:01 GMT
#1573
HAHAHAHHAHAH ZERG DOMINATE
ZZERG CRUSH
ZERRRRRGGGGGGG TUSHINTUSHINTUSHIN
DID YOU SEE BISU'S FACE HE'S LIKE WTF WHY DO I PLAY THIS PUSSY SHIT RACE FUCK THAT I LOVE ZERGZERGZERGEZRG
3-000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
JULYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
July 12 2008 21:02 GMT
#1574
[joke] YES PVZ IS IMBALANCED AGAIN AHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAH!!! FUK BISU[SHIELD] I HATE U SO MUCH NOW TL GET READY FOR THE MASS INFLUX OF PVZ IMBA THREADS ONCE AGAIN GG NORE :D! [/joke]
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
July 12 2008 21:09 GMT
#1575
On July 13 2008 04:30 IntoTheWow wrote:
Btw guys jumping in my thing about July having a easier run, read his interview, he confirms it.


Yeah. Even though people are saying that July has an easier bracket, they are not saying that Best should win over July in the final. Luck is a part of tournaments and that makes it unpredictable and exciting.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 12 2008 21:10 GMT
#1576
I must say, I approve of this series of events.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 12 2008 21:13 GMT
#1577
On July 12 2008 18:45 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2008 18:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On July 12 2008 18:41 HaXxorIzed wrote:
After the 3:2 against Luxury I honestly would have expected Best to prepare for these types of plays. July knows he can't win the macro game after all. :


why do people say fucking retarded shit like this? as if july's builds are a sign of weakness?

why are you saying shit - july's strats are all-in, the chance of this rush was 33%, he scouted best with his first overlord, saw his tech, that was enough. every attack with drones or other workers involved is All-fucking-IN


No, that's stupid, I'm pretty sure someone already responded to this seeing it's way back on page 39, but it's only all-in if you use ALL of your workers, which he did not do.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
July 12 2008 21:13 GMT
#1578
I am extremely happy with the results, and it looked as if July wanted this a bit more than Best thus the 3-0 victtory
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
July 12 2008 21:14 GMT
#1579
oh no, ZvP imba is back =(

even beesuit was shaking
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
July 12 2008 21:15 GMT
#1580
Oh man, what's all this bickering gayness? July doesn't deserve the win? Come on, that was the most exciting finals I've ever seen. Best was outplayed, outwitted, and outclass.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
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