I have a gut feeling that this is the last time we see july on such a high level. In my opinion this was his swan song. He deserved the golden mouse.

I have no fear for Best tho, he's so strong-willed that I'm sure he'll come back stronger and even more determined to earn some bling-bling badges for himself.

kirtar111

United States72 Posts

July 12 2008 13:16 GMT

#1463

On July 12 2008 20:39 Burned Toast wrote:

Someone plz make a motivator out of this

freelander

Hungary4707 Posts

July 12 2008 13:31 GMT

#1464

julyzerg only won because it is July now..

RobRoy2501

United States177 Posts

July 12 2008 13:46 GMT

#1465

This thread is hilarious.

Best was sweating like crazy in that last match, he was outclassed. He got beat in every way possible.

-rush beat him
-late game beat him
-micro beat him
-macro beat him
-nerves beat him
-strategy beat him
-mental toughness(or lack thereof) beat him

July slaughtered him in every way possible, it was a massacre. Could Best TRAIN and IMPROVE and win the next time they meet? Sure. But to say that either

1. Best is better than July right now
or
2. Best deserved it more

Proves you do not know the difference between potential and current reality. Just as Best COULD win more in the future he could fall of the face of the gaming world, or July could go on a second streak of unheralded domination.

And if you said July can't macro, or that his style is rush heavy because he can't macro, whos to say that his opponents aren't bad at micro, or that they favor macro because they lose so many units that they have to? Whether you are better at micro or macro doesn't matter. What matters is who is better in a series of starcraft matches. Its a level playing field. Scout and prepare for rushes, it isn't illegal. I remember specifically a game savior had where he didn't scout and a protoss player put a tower behind the minerals at sav's nat. Game over. A rush isn't an instant win, its a huge RISK that will pay off if you're opponent isn't prepared or if you are just so much better than them that you micro it into a victory anyway. Think about this - maybe if July ONLY focused on macro (ignoring rushes and preparing to counter them) than his macro would always be on the level of Best. O wait, that happened in game 3, so its already come true.

Honestly, Im just amazed at the amount of stupid things being thrown around in this thread, like trying to win an argument by using a dictionary, lol.

dyodyo

Philippines578 Posts

July 12 2008 14:05 GMT

#1466

On July 12 2008 22:46 RobRoy2501 wrote:
This thread is hilarious.

Best was sweating like crazy in that last match, he was outclassed. He got beat in every way possible.

-rush beat him
-late game beat him
-micro beat him
-macro beat him
-nerves beat him
-strategy beat him
-mental toughness(or lack thereof) beat him

July slaughtered him in every way possible, it was a massacre. Could Best TRAIN and IMPROVE and win the next time they meet? Sure. But to say that either

1. Best is better than July right now
or
2. Best deserved it more

Proves you do not know the difference between potential and current reality. Just as Best COULD win more in the future he could fall of the face of the gaming world, or July could go on a second streak of unheralded domination.

And if you said July can't macro, or that his style is rush heavy because he can't macro, whos to say that his opponents aren't bad at micro, or that they favor macro because they lose so many units that they have to? Whether you are better at micro or macro doesn't matter. What matters is who is better in a series of starcraft matches. Its a level playing field. Scout and prepare for rushes, it isn't illegal. I remember specifically a game savior had where he didn't scout and a protoss player put a tower behind the minerals at sav's nat. Game over. A rush isn't an instant win, its a huge RISK that will pay off if you're opponent isn't prepared or if you are just so much better than them that you micro it into a victory anyway. Think about this - maybe if July ONLY focused on macro (ignoring rushes and preparing to counter them) than his macro would always be on the level of Best. O wait, that happened in game 3, so its already come true.

Honestly, Im just amazed at the amount of stupid things being thrown around in this thread, like trying to win an argument by using a dictionary, lol.

So true.

Coming into the finals, they both deserved to be crowned champions due to the fact that they beat everyone else and made it into the finals. But AFTER the finals, JulyZerg proved that he deserved it MORE by winning it. Props to Best, but its really July's OSL. Read the interview (thanks to Siz.Fantasy), then tell me July didn't deserve to win it.

You may be the "Best" (pun intended), but that doesn't automatically make you deserving of anything/everything. You still have to earn it.

Wizard

Poland5055 Posts

July 12 2008 14:05 GMT

#1467

<3 JULY

Sentynal

Canada8 Posts

July 12 2008 14:14 GMT

#1468

That was definately well-played by July and he really deserved to be the champion. Although I hope that BeSt isn't too devastated by this.

ForAdun

Germany986 Posts

July 12 2008 14:28 GMT

#1469

wow, what the hell. July is so happy now

ahole-surprise

United States813 Posts

July 12 2008 14:34 GMT

#1470

Hey face it, July owned best, therefore he is the better player. Doesn't matter what the fuck Best does in PvP, put them heads up, July is better, and he proved it tonight.

CONGRATS JULY YOU EARNED IT

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

July 12 2008 14:40 GMT

#1471

On July 12 2008 23:05 dyodyo wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yes that is very true.

Also.. if you call cannons "towers" and don't know it was nal_ra... that's kinda sad haha.

poilord

Germany3252 Posts

July 12 2008 14:40 GMT

#1472

best

congrats to July though; I guess he deserved it more. I still hope Best's time will come soon.

0xDEADBEEF

Germany1235 Posts

July 12 2008 14:52 GMT

#1473

I'd say Best is better overall (all 3 matchups). July has a lot of trouble with ZvT and I'm not sure about his ZvZ. But his ZvP obviously is really good, better than Best's.

Sadist

United States7328 Posts

July 12 2008 14:53 GMT

#1474

nobody deserves anything, you play to win its the results that matter.

You have to earn it, thats what competition is.

kjk

Malaysia100 Posts

July 12 2008 14:55 GMT

#1475

JULY is for JULY. cant believe he can enter into final and won it after 4 years, that was a REMARKABLE come back by old skool player. Just WOW.... that proved one thing, old skool still can own current pro players ...

Kaolla

China2999 Posts

July 12 2008 14:59 GMT

#1476

On July 12 2008 23:52 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
I'd say Best is better overall (all 3 matchups). July has a lot of trouble with ZvT and I'm not sure about his ZvZ. But his ZvP obviously is really good, better than Best's.

I think July has always had good ZvZ and coming from an all zerg group I'd say its pretty good...
I dont think you can speak of an overal better player and maybe if they would play tmrw Best would win 3-0, but for now July is the best and I hope he can keep it up ^_^;

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

July 12 2008 15:02 GMT

#1477

On July 12 2008 23:55 kjk wrote:
JULY is for JULY. cant believe he can enter into final and won it after 4 years, that was a REMARKABLE come back by old skool player. Just WOW.... that proved one thing, old skool still can own current pro players ...

Well, July and other old school players have a lot more experience than new school, and it can help the old school player handle pressure and know how to attack their enemies with mind games.

Can July go as far as the finals of the next OSL?

sh02hp0869

Sweden460 Posts

July 12 2008 15:05 GMT

#1478

first of all; congrat to July.
second; to all protoss players, dont dispear. Protoss has wayyyy more good players then zergs has. The problem is that there isent a really good pvz that can beat Jaedong, July in a serie.

If you see att the proleague stas protoss has advatage over zergs. Zergs are the ones that should be worried in the future.