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251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
July 12 2008 12:46 GMT
#1461
[image loading]

Bisu ready to receive [the greatness that is] July.
"If you can chill..........then chill."
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
July 12 2008 12:49 GMT
#1462
I have a gut feeling that this is the last time we see july on such a high level. In my opinion this was his swan song. He deserved the golden mouse.

I have no fear for Best tho, he's so strong-willed that I'm sure he'll come back stronger and even more determined to earn some bling-bling badges for himself.
kirtar111
Profile Joined May 2007
United States72 Posts
July 12 2008 13:16 GMT
#1463
On July 12 2008 20:39 Burned Toast wrote:
[image loading]




Someone plz make a motivator out of this
Jogoling
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
July 12 2008 13:31 GMT
#1464
julyzerg only won because it is July now..
And all is illuminated.
RobRoy2501
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States177 Posts
July 12 2008 13:46 GMT
#1465
This thread is hilarious.

Best was sweating like crazy in that last match, he was outclassed. He got beat in every way possible.

-rush beat him
-late game beat him
-micro beat him
-macro beat him
-nerves beat him
-strategy beat him
-mental toughness(or lack thereof) beat him

July slaughtered him in every way possible, it was a massacre. Could Best TRAIN and IMPROVE and win the next time they meet? Sure. But to say that either

1. Best is better than July right now
or
2. Best deserved it more

Proves you do not know the difference between potential and current reality. Just as Best COULD win more in the future he could fall of the face of the gaming world, or July could go on a second streak of unheralded domination.

And if you said July can't macro, or that his style is rush heavy because he can't macro, whos to say that his opponents aren't bad at micro, or that they favor macro because they lose so many units that they have to? Whether you are better at micro or macro doesn't matter. What matters is who is better in a series of starcraft matches. Its a level playing field. Scout and prepare for rushes, it isn't illegal. I remember specifically a game savior had where he didn't scout and a protoss player put a tower behind the minerals at sav's nat. Game over. A rush isn't an instant win, its a huge RISK that will pay off if you're opponent isn't prepared or if you are just so much better than them that you micro it into a victory anyway. Think about this - maybe if July ONLY focused on macro (ignoring rushes and preparing to counter them) than his macro would always be on the level of Best. O wait, that happened in game 3, so its already come true.

Honestly, Im just amazed at the amount of stupid things being thrown around in this thread, like trying to win an argument by using a dictionary, lol.

The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled. -Plutarch
dyodyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Philippines578 Posts
July 12 2008 14:05 GMT
#1466
On July 12 2008 22:46 RobRoy2501 wrote:
This thread is hilarious.

Best was sweating like crazy in that last match, he was outclassed. He got beat in every way possible.

-rush beat him
-late game beat him
-micro beat him
-macro beat him
-nerves beat him
-strategy beat him
-mental toughness(or lack thereof) beat him

July slaughtered him in every way possible, it was a massacre. Could Best TRAIN and IMPROVE and win the next time they meet? Sure. But to say that either

1. Best is better than July right now
or
2. Best deserved it more

Proves you do not know the difference between potential and current reality. Just as Best COULD win more in the future he could fall of the face of the gaming world, or July could go on a second streak of unheralded domination.

And if you said July can't macro, or that his style is rush heavy because he can't macro, whos to say that his opponents aren't bad at micro, or that they favor macro because they lose so many units that they have to? Whether you are better at micro or macro doesn't matter. What matters is who is better in a series of starcraft matches. Its a level playing field. Scout and prepare for rushes, it isn't illegal. I remember specifically a game savior had where he didn't scout and a protoss player put a tower behind the minerals at sav's nat. Game over. A rush isn't an instant win, its a huge RISK that will pay off if you're opponent isn't prepared or if you are just so much better than them that you micro it into a victory anyway. Think about this - maybe if July ONLY focused on macro (ignoring rushes and preparing to counter them) than his macro would always be on the level of Best. O wait, that happened in game 3, so its already come true.

Honestly, Im just amazed at the amount of stupid things being thrown around in this thread, like trying to win an argument by using a dictionary, lol.



So true.

Coming into the finals, they both deserved to be crowned champions due to the fact that they beat everyone else and made it into the finals. But AFTER the finals, JulyZerg proved that he deserved it MORE by winning it. Props to Best, but its really July's OSL. Read the interview (thanks to Siz.Fantasy), then tell me July didn't deserve to win it.

You may be the "Best" (pun intended), but that doesn't automatically make you deserving of anything/everything. You still have to earn it.
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #26
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
July 12 2008 14:05 GMT
#1467
<3 JULY
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
Sentynal
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada8 Posts
July 12 2008 14:14 GMT
#1468
That was definately well-played by July and he really deserved to be the champion. Although I hope that BeSt isn't too devastated by this.
ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
July 12 2008 14:28 GMT
#1469
wow, what the hell. July is so happy now
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-12 14:35:56
July 12 2008 14:34 GMT
#1470
Hey face it, July owned best, therefore he is the better player. Doesn't matter what the fuck Best does in PvP, put them heads up, July is better, and he proved it tonight.

CONGRATS JULY YOU EARNED IT
Pulp can move, baby!
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
July 12 2008 14:40 GMT
#1471
On July 12 2008 23:05 dyodyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2008 22:46 RobRoy2501 wrote:
This thread is hilarious.

Best was sweating like crazy in that last match, he was outclassed. He got beat in every way possible.

-rush beat him
-late game beat him
-micro beat him
-macro beat him
-nerves beat him
-strategy beat him
-mental toughness(or lack thereof) beat him

July slaughtered him in every way possible, it was a massacre. Could Best TRAIN and IMPROVE and win the next time they meet? Sure. But to say that either

1. Best is better than July right now
or
2. Best deserved it more

Proves you do not know the difference between potential and current reality. Just as Best COULD win more in the future he could fall of the face of the gaming world, or July could go on a second streak of unheralded domination.

And if you said July can't macro, or that his style is rush heavy because he can't macro, whos to say that his opponents aren't bad at micro, or that they favor macro because they lose so many units that they have to? Whether you are better at micro or macro doesn't matter. What matters is who is better in a series of starcraft matches. Its a level playing field. Scout and prepare for rushes, it isn't illegal. I remember specifically a game savior had where he didn't scout and a protoss player put a tower behind the minerals at sav's nat. Game over. A rush isn't an instant win, its a huge RISK that will pay off if you're opponent isn't prepared or if you are just so much better than them that you micro it into a victory anyway. Think about this - maybe if July ONLY focused on macro (ignoring rushes and preparing to counter them) than his macro would always be on the level of Best. O wait, that happened in game 3, so its already come true.

Honestly, Im just amazed at the amount of stupid things being thrown around in this thread, like trying to win an argument by using a dictionary, lol.



So true.

Coming into the finals, they both deserved to be crowned champions due to the fact that they beat everyone else and made it into the finals. But AFTER the finals, JulyZerg proved that he deserved it MORE by winning it. Props to Best, but its really July's OSL. Read the interview (thanks to Siz.Fantasy), then tell me July didn't deserve to win it.

You may be the "Best" (pun intended), but that doesn't automatically make you deserving of anything/everything. You still have to earn it.


Yes that is very true.

Also.. if you call cannons "towers" and don't know it was nal_ra... that's kinda sad haha.
sAviOr...
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
July 12 2008 14:40 GMT
#1472
best
congrats to July though; I guess he deserved it more. I still hope Best's time will come soon.
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
July 12 2008 14:52 GMT
#1473
I'd say Best is better overall (all 3 matchups). July has a lot of trouble with ZvT and I'm not sure about his ZvZ. But his ZvP obviously is really good, better than Best's.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7286 Posts
July 12 2008 14:53 GMT
#1474
nobody deserves anything, you play to win its the results that matter.

You have to earn it, thats what competition is.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
kjk
Profile Joined October 2007
Malaysia100 Posts
July 12 2008 14:55 GMT
#1475
JULY is for JULY. cant believe he can enter into final and won it after 4 years, that was a REMARKABLE come back by old skool player. Just WOW.... that proved one thing, old skool still can own current pro players ...
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
July 12 2008 14:59 GMT
#1476
On July 12 2008 23:52 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
I'd say Best is better overall (all 3 matchups). July has a lot of trouble with ZvT and I'm not sure about his ZvZ. But his ZvP obviously is really good, better than Best's.


I think July has always had good ZvZ and coming from an all zerg group I'd say its pretty good...
I dont think you can speak of an overal better player and maybe if they would play tmrw Best would win 3-0, but for now July is the best and I hope he can keep it up ^_^;
its me
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 12 2008 15:02 GMT
#1477
On July 12 2008 23:55 kjk wrote:
JULY is for JULY. cant believe he can enter into final and won it after 4 years, that was a REMARKABLE come back by old skool player. Just WOW.... that proved one thing, old skool still can own current pro players ...


Well, July and other old school players have a lot more experience than new school, and it can help the old school player handle pressure and know how to attack their enemies with mind games.

Can July go as far as the finals of the next OSL?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-12 15:07:41
July 12 2008 15:05 GMT
#1478
first of all; congrat to July.
second; to all protoss players, dont dispear. Protoss has wayyyy more good players then zergs has. The problem is that there isent a really good pvz that can beat Jaedong, July in a serie.

If you see att the proleague stas protoss has advatage over zergs. Zergs are the ones that should be worried in the future.

Hello mother hello father
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
July 12 2008 15:11 GMT
#1479
I am so happy for July right now.
sex appeal
Plutonium
Profile Joined November 2007
United States2217 Posts
July 12 2008 15:33 GMT
#1480
Just to re-iterate.

On July 12 2008 18:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
WELCOME TO THE OSL FINAL BEST

WELCOME TO HELL

TUSHIN FIGHTING

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