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Shiva_Chandra
Denmark341 Posts
Best vZ: 10-8 (55.56%) Soo Julyzerg > Best statistically. And Julyzerg > Best real games. Overall, Julyzerg is the better player in the matchup, and has proven it over years, he's simply one of the best ZvP players ever, and as such the many july fans here (me included) were pretty upset when people started dissing julyzerg's late-game abilities, when the fact is that he's simply one of the best (no pun intended). | ||
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DragoonPK
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
On July 12 2008 19:46 Cobalt wrote: This thread is an excellent example of why people are unwilling to listen objectively to formulate opinions, and change them as necessary based on new evidence. People show it off in your face when you're wrong. Now keep in mind, I didn't really care who won this series, but I'm just saying, things like "HAHA ALL YOU IDIOTS SHUT THE FUCK UP, JULY CAN MACRO" make it so that people can't change opinions without being ridiculed. It would've been the same if Best had won 3:2 in macro games and people said "HAHA I TOLD YOU JULY CAN'T MACRO, IDIOTS" or something like that. When you're surrounded by comments like that, it's impossible to say "Well that was unexpected, guess things didn't turn out like I thought" without being crucified. Just my observation :S no people see july winning by rush and imply that july macro is weak ==> wrong people see july owning in a macro war and imply that july macro is strong ==> right it has nothing to do with possibility | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote: players that have won 3 osls deserve to have the golden mouse, just because boxer has done a lot for e-sports and entertained fans many times doesnt mean he deserves the golden mouse but instead he deserves our respect. because we respect him we would vote for him in this "new award". i dont know, its hard to explain but i think you have the wrong idea If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL). | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:18 Metallingus wrote: Not necessarily, to be fair. That's oversimplifying the matter. July would've bumped into Lux if that were the case and we all know how beastly Lux' ZvZ is. You do know July beat Luxury in the group stages, right? | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Just celebrate July's victory. Who cares who deserves a golden mouse. There are two. Nada and July. It hurts knowing the best protoss right now can't take a game off of fuckn Julyzerg. Go figure. Fuck PvZ. I'm so ready for SC2. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
So I hate PvZ OSL finals. A LOT. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
July's OSL road was easy for him because he is GREAT at ZvP Best played against Much and raped him with his #1 Earth PvP, then almost lost to Luxury, who played great for two games and terribly for three. Best's road to the final wasn't too much more difficult than July's. Not enough to pretend Best deserves the title after the drubbing he recieved. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:16 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: But if July beat Best. . . Doesn't that hypothetically mean that he would've also surpass the hard MU's Best would've gone through, since July proved that he's better than Best. There's too many factors on a tournament like this to just say "july is better than best/deserved to win because he beat him a in a bo3". That's like saying X country is worse than Y country on soccer because they lost that game. First you have the maps, then you have what each played had to go trough: team changes, match ups. I mean if BeSt wen against July sooner in the tournament it would have been a different story (not saying he would win or anything). Same thing with the other opponents. July got some ZvZ and then ZvP semis and finals, his strongest mu on map that favored him too. Then you have BeSt who did get to show his other mus much (which are way better than his PvZ imo). July got BackHo and Rock, while BeSt got Nada, Much, Lux, etc. You could say both deserved to win, this OSL was weird for me because in all the other I could see a "deserving part" and a defending part on the tournament. Someone new doing good looking to win it / some old school player still rocking and "someone in his way". I'm happy for July since he's one of my favorite zergs. All I say that BeSt at his current level is worthy of a tournament of this importance, that if the conditions were to be other (PvP or PvT semis or finals for example) he would have been the clear favorite. It's still good for BeSt though, going second on OSL with this opponents i definitely see good things for him in the future. | ||
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Metallingus
Philippines468 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:22 EvilTeletubby wrote: You do know July beat Luxury in the group stages, right? Yes, but beating Lux once doesn't mean Lux can't take a set from July in the later stages. What I'm trying to say is that one can't downplay BeSt's achievements because he lost to July. That's unfair. Lux and his ZvZ prowess was used as an example to relay that point and the fact that things could have gone differently if July and BeSt switched places. I'm not trying to downplay July's win by saying that he would've lost to Lux or anything; on the contrary, I believe July can hang with the best of them anytime he wants to. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
The last game was very good, I hoped i could see more of that ;_; | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:24 SuperJongMan wrote: Yeah... So I hate PvZ OSL finals. A LOT. lol | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/osl2008/movie_31219.html set2 + Show Spoiler + http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/osl2008/movie_31220.html set3 + Show Spoiler + http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/osl2008/movie_31221.html set4 + Show Spoiler + no need set5 + Show Spoiler + no need The Interview + Show Spoiler + http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/osl2008/movie_31231.html Youku might be very slow for some ppl, if you want better quality, please wait for TL vod tracker or Youtube/jon747 channel. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:22 SuperJongMan wrote: You guys are fuckn morons. Just celebrate July's victory. Who cares who deserves a golden mouse. There are two. Nada and July. It hurts knowing the best protoss right now can't take a game off of fuckn Julyzerg. Go figure. Fuck PvZ. I'm so ready for SC2. lol #2 | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:15 HaXxorIzed wrote: Best is overall, I'd say the better player. In that I think putting all of his matchups up I think he's capable of more. That however, is irrelevant to this result for two reasons. A. July played better in this final, lifting his game while Best seemed to have lost his nerves after the first two losses. B. July is unpredictable. I don't just mean that in his style or his play, but in the way he lifted his game. On top of what has been said previously about July's ability to stay relevant as a player in the Professional Videogaming scene, he lifted. He pulled off a game3 even Bisu at the top of his form would have found impressive (or Jaedong, for that matter), and his plan and reading of this whole series was better. That's just how it is. And Best will be back. The kid's going places. So true... July prepared better for the match today, he was calm and confident in every single game, he was better than BeSt when it really mattered, and it was important to be better than his opponent TODAY for those 3 games. We can speculate for the player's skill at the moment as much as we want but still the fact is that July 3-0'd Best. Is july really this better than Best? I mean Jaedong could 20-1 Stork in their final, because he really was and still is a class above Stork. But the reason for the 3-0 result today is not that july is so much better than best. I think July knew how to win, he is smart and experienced in such situations. But having watched the games and followed the entire tournament I really cant say "OMG JULY IS SOOO GODLIKE AND UNTOUCHABLE. HIS ZVP IS IMBA, HE DESTROYED BEST" cause this isnt what really happened | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:22 SuperJongMan wrote: thats what we have been saying, but because we try to explain it, it makes us morons?You guys are fuckn morons. Just celebrate July's victory. Who cares who deserves a golden mouse. There are two. Nada and July. | ||
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SiZ.FaNtAsY
Korea (South)1497 Posts
Just to tell anyone about to do it that I already started on it. | ||
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
Anyway, unlike Best, who had vP his group. July had all kind of opponents: Mind, zergs in his group, than 2 protoss. But the best thing in this OSL was Lux preparing good strats anti- Flash, now is up to people to follow. Is pleaseand seing zergs go on tops again, JD is back in the field, Lux the same, July. Too bad there arent too many followers, as young Terrans and Protoss apear often (Baby, Really, Ruby for T and Kal, Best, Free, Lucifer for P). But for Z who do we have? Kwanro and Shark are too far away, 815 is slumping before rising, ZerO is on negative stats on PL... Sad | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On July 12 2008 20:19 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: Sorry to be so provoking in my posts but .. . Don't you think the person who won the OSL finals is the one most qualified for the award? Both are worth of the award. I mean if BeSt had won OSL with any result over July people would be saying BeSt totally deserved it. We would see a report on news by plexa or any other staff member talking about the road he went to achieve it and how he did good to deserve it. There more to OSL than just the finals. | ||
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