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On July 12 2008 20:07 Narrator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:05 Uligor wrote:On July 12 2008 20:04 Ancestral wrote:On July 12 2008 20:03 Uligor wrote:
I still think BeSt is superior to July, he got killed by all-in rushes in the first 2 games and was too nervous in the last game. I guess if you're nervous you should be allowed a re-game. Did I say that? You practically did by saying that BeSt is superior when he didn't have the correct mindset. If he was too nervous while July was calm, then July is superior.
I think you're mistaking what I say. I'm not saying BeSt deserved this set more than July or anything, I just think that overall BeSt is superior to July at this moment.
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On July 12 2008 20:05 IntoTheWow wrote:
Of course boxer deserves a golden mouse are you fucking kidding me?
Man, He had 4 chances to get a golden mouse, he failed 4 times. (OK, ALL THE FINALS WERE AMAZING BUT WHATEVER, HE LOST ALL) I don't really think that he deserves it.
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On July 12 2008 20:11 StRyKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:10 Uligor wrote:On July 12 2008 20:06 StRyKeR wrote:On July 12 2008 20:03 Uligor wrote:
I still think BeSt is superior to July, he got killed by all-in rushes in the first 2 games and was too nervous in the last game. Having a strong early game is part of being good at starcraft. What kind of a superior player only wins "no rush 20 minutes" games? Too nervous in the last game? You must be right, since JulyZerg's perfect counter to corsair+reaver with his well-controlled scourge and mid-game hydra->muta transition was just a fluke. BeSt was too greedy in the first 2 games: In the first game he wanted to get his nexus before his forge without having scouted the opponent. In the second game he went straight for tech and only brought 5-6 probes off his mineral line to help defend. In the third game his offense was weak, I'm not saying July's build wasn't awesome, but BeSt was on defense for almost the entire mid-late game. Wow, you took the words right out of my mouth  Do you see now why JulyZerg was the better player?
Yes, in this set, definitely.
But I still think BeSt is better in general at this moment.
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On July 12 2008 19:58 WingSandrockX wrote:
hahahah you fucking July fanboys...you make me laugh especially the band-wagoners
One thing before I head to bed, July did NOT deserve this win nor does he deserve a golden mouse period, you can say any shit you want but at the end of the day he didn't deserve it at all.
On the other hand, BeSt deserved it way more then July, why you ask? Think about it.
THAT is all.
did you really just try to prove your argument by saying
"why, you ask? Think about it."
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On July 12 2008 20:08 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL). But we're not tlaking about a popularity contest. . . July did something boxer could not. Win 3 OSL Finals. Therefore he deserves it more than boxer. . ..
I'm not talking about popularity, im putting the scenario were people could vote on "Who do you think deserves a golden mouse?".
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On July 12 2008 20:11 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 12 2008 20:02 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2008 19:59 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 12 2008 19:56 disciple wrote:July was better than Best, but The God of War has his golden mouse for winning the entire tournament, not only beating Best, that was my point and I dont try to save face, I really like July, but having in mind the hole tournament and the opponent both best and july had to face till the final, Best was the deserving champion, but this really doesnt matter , because he lost the mind games, he fell down mentally after 2-0, he lost the final. July is smart and flexible which is most important when you play a final If Best 'deserved' to win, he would've won. You're still making excuses.  Uh no, you can deserve something and not get it. Erm, that is wayyy too vague Agu. In the sense of Only-one-person-can-be-the-winner how do you figure who "deserves" it more? I would think the person who played better, no? Uh dunno to make a quick example World cup '06: Portugal vs Netherlands. Games involve luck to some extent, some more some less. I'm not going nitpick little shit like starting positions or stuff like that. I'm just saying that considering this OSL alone, BeSt had a harder run, which he over came, same as July (who still faces rock and backho -_-). You can of course say that July has come back from a gigantic slump and he deserves it too, but there's no point of comparison with BeSt there since he hasn't been on the scene for as long as July.
Being at the right place at the right time.
That's what July did.
I still fail to see why Best deserved it more or as much as July did. . .
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On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL).
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But we're not tlaking about a popularity contest. . .
July did something boxer could not.
Win 3 OSL Finals.
Therefore he deserves it more than boxer. . ..
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I'm not talking about popularity, im putting the scenario were people could vote on "Who do you think deserves a golden mouse?".
Then there should be the option where it sayss.
"whoever wins the next golden mouse"
I'm sure people would vote that over boxer.
You only deserve it if you earn it.
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Because of who he had to face on this OSL and in what match ups / maps.
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On July 12 2008 19:54 SuperJongMan wrote:
Fuck this game.
PvZ is broken.
I quit.
Very True.
And if Jaedong loses 0-3 against terran in the MSL, Starcraft is dead for me.
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Best is overall, I'd say the better player. In that I think putting all of his matchups up I think he's capable of more. That however, is irrelevant to this result for two reasons.
A. July played better in this final, lifting his game while Best seemed to have lost his nerves after the first two losses.
B. July is unpredictable. I don't just mean that in his style or his play, but in the way he lifted his game. On top of what has been said previously about July's ability to stay relevant as a player in the Professional Videogaming scene, he lifted. He pulled off a game3 even Bisu at the top of his form would have found impressive (or Jaedong, for that matter), and his plan and reading of this whole series was better. That's just how it is.
And Best will be back. The kid's going places.
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On July 12 2008 20:13 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:08 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL). But we're not tlaking about a popularity contest. . . July did something boxer could not. Win 3 OSL Finals. Therefore he deserves it more than boxer. . .. I'm not talking about popularity, im putting the scenario were people could vote on "Who do you think deserves a golden mouse?".
I think you're using the word "deserves" differently than the rest of us. Replaced the word "deserves" with "earned", and I think it'll make more sense to you.
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On July 12 2008 20:14 IntoTheWow wrote:
Because of who he had to face on this OSL and in what match ups / maps.
But if July beat Best. . .
Doesn't that hypothetically mean that he would've also surpass the hard MU's Best would've gone through, since July proved that he's better than Best.
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On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL).
sure, of course it would go to boxer (or perhaps nada). and i'm positive all of TL would agree. but we aren't talking about a "new award / trophy", we're talking about the kespa-sanctioned golden mouse.
and what are the requirements to getting a golden mouse? 3 OSL wins. there is no "_______ deserves to get it but doesn't have it!!!" either you win 3 or you don't.
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Jamaica11586 Posts
ARRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhh.
I'm SO ANGRAAAA.
Fuckin July... Andromeda is broken.
His practice for this final was so perfect. Argh.
The look on the SKT1 staff was -_-;;
The Protoss race is not ready for Julyzerg. Total quit.
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The only thing I'm disappointed about is that the STX team wasn't there to to cheer and celebrate July's victory. I think they already clinched their playoff spot and all the teams in the playoffs are almost equally strong, so their match with eSTRO wasn't important.
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On July 12 2008 20:16 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:13 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2008 20:08 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL). But we're not tlaking about a popularity contest. . . July did something boxer could not. Win 3 OSL Finals. Therefore he deserves it more than boxer. . .. I'm not talking about popularity, im putting the scenario were people could vote on "Who do you think deserves a golden mouse?". I think you're using the word "deserves" differently than the rest of us. Replaced the word "deserves" with "earned", and I think it'll make more sense to you.
Deserve: to be worthy of, qualified for, or have a claim to reward, punishment, recompense, etc.
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intothewow, you are comparing 2 complete different things...
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LOL at disciple. Give it up man, BeSt got fucking destroyed by July's superior (much superior!) play. Even in the game 3 "macro" game that BeSt was supposed to "own" at he just sat in his base and lost corsair after corsair.
BeSt didn't really have a hard OSL road himself at all. Lux has always been known to be bad at ZvP, he didn't have to face Flash in a Bo5 (who would KILL him), etc.
So give it up guys, July won that golden mouse fair and square and did a great job while doing it.
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On July 12 2008 20:16 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:14 IntoTheWow wrote:
Because of who he had to face on this OSL and in what match ups / maps. But if July beat Best. . . Doesn't that hypothetically mean that he would've also surpass the hard MU's Best would've gone through, since July proved that he's better than Best.
Not necessarily, to be fair. That's oversimplifying the matter. July would've bumped into Lux if that were the case and we all know how beastly Lux' ZvZ is.
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On July 12 2008 20:18 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:16 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 12 2008 20:13 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2008 20:08 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL). But we're not tlaking about a popularity contest. . . July did something boxer could not. Win 3 OSL Finals. Therefore he deserves it more than boxer. . .. I'm not talking about popularity, im putting the scenario were people could vote on "Who do you think deserves a golden mouse?". I think you're using the word "deserves" differently than the rest of us. Replaced the word "deserves" with "earned", and I think it'll make more sense to you. Deserve: to be worthy of, qualified for, or have a claim to reward, punishment, recompense, etc.
Sorry to be so provoking in my posts but .. .
Don't you think the person who won the OSL finals is the one most qualified for the award?
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On July 12 2008 20:18 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2008 20:16 EvilTeletubby wrote:On July 12 2008 20:13 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 12 2008 20:08 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:On July 12 2008 20:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
If tomorrow a new award / trophy was announce to be given for a progaming career voted by people on who do you think it would deserve it, Boxer would get it 100% (unless TL voted in which case it would go to ToSsGirL). But we're not tlaking about a popularity contest. . . July did something boxer could not. Win 3 OSL Finals. Therefore he deserves it more than boxer. . .. I'm not talking about popularity, im putting the scenario were people could vote on "Who do you think deserves a golden mouse?". I think you're using the word "deserves" differently than the rest of us. Replaced the word "deserves" with "earned", and I think it'll make more sense to you. Deserve: to be worthy of, qualified for, or have a claim to reward, punishment, recompense, etc.
Most of those definitions don't really give us much of a grasp on the actual meaning: What is it to be worthy of something? To have a claim to something? Seems like people who think about desert differently than you do will also think about those differently.
But Boxer definitely hasn't qualified for the golden mouse. That one's pretty clear, I think.
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