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Banner by KizZBGGomTV S4 MSL: Round of 16Week 2.3 - 2 February 2008 [14:00] < Blue Storm > 1 - Jaedong Luxury - 0< Katrina > if needed < Loki II > 1 - Flash Hwasin - 0< Katrina > if needed < Zodiac > 1 - Anytime Nada - 0 < Loki II > if needed < Loki II > 0 - Shine Mind - 1< Zodiac > if needed
Results: + Show Spoiler +Jaedong > Luxury on Blue Storm Jaedong Advances to the Quarterfinals!
Flash > Hwasin on Loki II Flash Advances to the Quarterfinals!
Anytime < Nada on Zodiac Anytime < Nada on Loki II Nada Advances to the Quarterfinals!
Shine > Mind on Loki II Shine < Mind on Zodiac Mind Advances to the Quarterfinals!
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United States7488 Posts
Yes, I know this is pretty early, but humor me... I am bored at work and wanted to talk about tonight's games.
I still think Luxury has a decent shot of moving forward. If anything his OSL game this week convinced me that he is practicing more for this matchup at the moment. The thing is can Jaedong lose two ZvZ in a row? I know a bunch of you are just jumping to say that he can't, but don't discount momentum. If Luxury is able to pull off the upset on Blue Storm, I think he can ride that momentum to the next game. Luxury had very good ZvZ, and although it might not have looked good by comparison in their last game, I think he has a good shot at pulling something off. + Show Spoiler +Jaedong will have to get last night's loss off his mind, and not be thinking about what might happen in his tiebreakers. Luxury has some time off of thinking about OSL after having gone 3-0 in his group so he has had more practice time and can be devoting all of his energy to this match
Falsh and Hwasin is a similar story in that I think Hwasin has a legitimate chance to come back, unless Flash plays like he did buring their first game.+ Show Spoiler +But if he plays like he did last night against Stork and throws away his advantages, then Hwasin could easily capitalize on that and steal a game or even two as he is another player that can just turn his game on and demolish everyone in his path when he does. Hwasin has a lighter schedule too, neither in the OSL and not having to worry about the PSL as he already is placed in the OSC.
Anytime will win.
Mind will also demolish Shine unless shine really steps his game up to the next level and also comes out prepared for Mind's play style. However, Shine won't do that and he will be lucky if he even takes the next game from Mind. Mind has Shine's number so to speak and I see no reversal of that in the immediate future which is tonight.
So uh... what are your thoughts?
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Pretty easy bets (Jaedong, Flash, Anytime, Mind)... The only other thing I see as possible is that Hwasin can take two games and turn things around. Not very likely though, since Flash has been playing very good last couple of months and seems to be in better shape than ever.
I've lost my hope in Nada long ago. Jaedong is (still) the super zerg. Mind is clearly better at TvT than Shine.
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United States7488 Posts
Is there some conspiracy to keep me bored while I am at work? No one else is in the office. I have nothing to do. Save me Team Liquid!!
edit: woohoo, a reply!
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United States7488 Posts
Does no one other than me have faith in The Lux? He plays solidly (against zerg and most terran). He has beat Jaedong on Blue Storm before. I say he can do it again.
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Hungary11232 Posts
Don't panic, we are here to entertain you
Now, I don't think Luxury has a chance against Jaedong. Luxury has been playing really well, but what Jaedong shows in his ZvZ lately is just supernatural - how he builds on so little advantages and pushes them towards a huge victory is amazing to watch.
Hwasin vs. Flash, hmm. Hwasin is known to be a fighter. At some point he goes down, but when under pressure he can be quite beastly. I am trusting on that quality, so I assume it will at least go to game 3. As you say, Hwasin had a lighter schedule and more opportunity of finding out why he lost and how exactly Flash's style works, for Flash however the OSL game was really important, as he did not want to get forced into the 3-way tiebreaker in his group.
I don't see a chance for Nada against Anytime. Sure, there was the talk about Wemade helping the Lecaf team prepare for the finals, and therefore Nada got less practice than he should have, but Anytime looks extremly stable at the time being.
Finally, Mind vs. Shine. Mind played like a Champion in their last match, he let the contender blow off his steam and coldly eliminated him then. During his successful MSL run he mostly fought TvT before finalizing his streak with wins over Savior and Bisu, so TvT is sort of his staple matchup.
edit: I hope the streak of mediocre games was broken somehow during yesterday's OSL, so we might enjoy some well-fought maps again. I have full confidence in Hwasin, Luxury and Nada to give their opponents a run for their money (not so much in Shine).
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Regarding the Luxury and Jaedong match, it is often difficult to predict the outcome of a mirror match between two top players of the matchup, such as these two. I give the mental advantage to whoever didn't win the last game, as they should theoretically be staying close to 50/50. Additionally the loser likely learned more from the previous game, as we tend to learn more from mistakes than our successes. If Luxury can learn from what went wrong last game and put that into action he may be able to use it to his advantage, even if he only thinks it will help it could prove valuable as confidence in not making the same mistake twice can be powerful.
Luxury won two matches ago, Jaedong won last time, which means it could be Luxury's turn again. Of course this rule is thrown out when multiple games are played in one sitting, meaning Luxury could win since Jaedong would not have proper time to reflect upon his loss in game two before game three begins.
What would be exciting between Shine and Mind would be a chin duel. Like with swords, only they would use their chins. Shine might have a shot at winning that one. But unless it comes down to that Mind should be playing against Anytime next.
Hmm... maybe Shine could use his chin to help imrove his micro.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
so unfortunate for luxury to face jaedong in the ro16, he's playing so fucking well lately
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Hungary11232 Posts
On February 02 2008 09:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: so unfortunate for luxury to face jaedong in the ro16, he's playing so fucking well lately You could also consider it as the opportunity of removing one major obstacle right away at the start - if Luxury somehow manages the comeback against JD, he will certainly be named among the favourites for this title.
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On February 02 2008 09:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: so unfortunate for luxury to face jaedong in the ro16, he's playing so fucking well lately
to win it he'd need to beat jeadong anyway... his advantage is now its only 2 games win, lateron 3... of course he can lose 1 more too, but assuming jeadong has a higher chance to win this is still the better deal for him -_-
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I made a bet for Lux, think he will take a game but Jeadong will go tru by 2:1, he is too damn good to lose a hole series...hope hwasin to win as well
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Did you guys know??
The games are at midnight tonight and not 5am 6 am 7am whatever am? Eastern time.
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On February 02 2008 11:07 SuperJongMan wrote: Did you guys know??
The games are at midnight tonight and not 5am 6 am 7am whatever am? Eastern time.
Indeed, you are correct.
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really? it says 18:30 which is like 3:30 am central... but if it's at 14:00 instead that would be sweet.
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sucka plz, listen to me. I said it's midnight, it's midnight. It's soyu's world.
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United States7488 Posts
14:00 updated in op and calendar.
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niiiiiice. now I can watch :-)
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
It would be a huge disappointment if Luxury eliminated Jaedong. I do like Lux, however this is Jaedong's time. Jaedong is made for facing strong Terrans in bo5. Terrans like Flash or Hwasin and possibly Mind in the semis. This almost feels like watching Savior in Shinan3. THIS is Jaedong's time to truly showcase his out of this world ZvT. He has not had such a challenge before as the one awaiting him in the MSL. These potential series will define the height of his ZvT, the height of all ZvT just as the series against Iris defined the hight of Savior's ZvT.
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51135 Posts
MBCgame website says it's on at 14:00.
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Jaedong > Luxury Flash < Hwasin Anytime > Nada Shine < Mind
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12:00 EST? WOW thats amazing. Staying up till 4:30 half dead hitting f5 kinda sucks.
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Jaedong > Luxury Jaedong is simply the best ZvZ around, luxury might win the first, but I dont think he will be able to take 2 games from Jaedong in his best matchup, and watching last weeks game between these 2 didnt give me anymore faith in Luxury. But like others have said, its better getting Jaedong in a bo3 than later on in a Bo5.
Flash>Hwasin Flash have been playing great latly and hwasin have... not....
Anytime>Nada I really hope to see a Bo5 between Anytime and Jaedong :D (havent seen the brackets so dont know if thats even possible) + nada aint nowhere near his old self, atleast not TvP
Shine<Mind Mind is simply the better player imo.
thats my 2 cents.
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I do not believe we are in for surprises tonight, but I do see Hwasin taking a map.
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On February 02 2008 13:26 Oystein wrote: Jaedong > Luxury Jaedong is simply the best ZvZ around, luxury might win the first, but I dont think he will be able to take 2 games from Jaedong in his best matchup, and watching last weeks game between these 2 didnt give me anymore faith in Luxury. But like others have said, its better getting Jaedong in a bo3 than later on in a Bo5.
Flash>Hwasin Flash have been playing great latly and hwasin have... not....
Anytime>Nada I really hope to see a Bo5 between Anytime and Jaedong :D (havent seen the brackets so dont know if thats even possible) + nada aint nowhere near his old self, atleast not TvP
Shine<Mind Mind is simply the better player imo.
thats my 2 cents.
luxury isnt exactly a slouch zvz either. there was a reason he was sent out as a sniper for that MU. he's 10-3 since september and has a win over jaedong in that time period.
both are currently the absolute best in zvz. I really think this is a close match especially with the importance of build orders
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The gomtv picture of jaedong looks funny. I almost don't recognize him because it shows him smiling widely, but I haven't seen him smile like that recently.
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14-2 zvz for Jaedong.
/lol
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I'm predicting Jaedong, Hwasin, Anytime, Mind.
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luxury green at one, jaedong violet at seven, color theory predicts jaedong victory.
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Anyone doing live reports?
edit: and then just as I post that, someone starts...
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jaedong 9pool followed by gas.
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lings sneak into lux's main
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jaedong does some damage with lings lux clears his base, sends remaining lings (about 12) to jaedong's base mutas out now lux has an evo for spore
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lux suiciding lings trying to get drone kills
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spire finally started for lux
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On February 02 2008 13:45 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 13:26 Oystein wrote: Jaedong > Luxury Jaedong is simply the best ZvZ around, luxury might win the first, but I dont think he will be able to take 2 games from Jaedong in his best matchup, and watching last weeks game between these 2 didnt give me anymore faith in Luxury. But like others have said, its better getting Jaedong in a bo3 than later on in a Bo5.
Flash>Hwasin Flash have been playing great latly and hwasin have... not....
Anytime>Nada I really hope to see a Bo5 between Anytime and Jaedong :D (havent seen the brackets so dont know if thats even possible) + nada aint nowhere near his old self, atleast not TvP
Shine<Mind Mind is simply the better player imo.
thats my 2 cents. luxury isnt exactly a slouch zvz either. there was a reason he was sent out as a sniper for that MU. he's 10-3 since september and has a win over jaedong in that time period. both are currently the absolute best in zvz. I really think this is a close match especially with the importance of build orders Never said that, thats why I say I think he can take one game. But lets be honost, his game vs July forinstance was july giving him a win. But hes top notch ZvZ, no doubt about that.
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jaedong kills lux's expo hatch mutas in lux's main picking off drones spire done for lux
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good lord jaedong is just a plain monster.
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jaedong immune to momentum
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jaedong starts 2nd hatch and picks off lux's pool kills lux's mutas in his main lux ggs
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If Luxury is a ZvZ monster, then I don't think there's a word scary enough to describe LJD.
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JD on the road to win MSL, OSL and PL grand final ...It would be epic
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Okay. Luxury didn't lose. Jaedong won.
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holy hell, that wasnt even close
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I think Jaedong's lings come with Adrenaline Glands by default.
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in summary: jaedong hides two lings, runs them behind lux's lings which were guarding his choke, picks off a drone, drawing the lings at the choke back while jaedong's main ling force then storms through the choke, doing a lot of damage to the hatch at lux's nat and picking off a lot of lings. eventually jaedong's forces are picked off and lux heads for the counterattack, only to find two resolute lings in his choke. this delays for enough time for two sunkens and mutas to pop in jaedong's base and lux's counter fails with some drone dancing. after that it's a simple matter of jaedong pressing home his air advantage. lux never really had a chance after that initial maneuver.
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lol, kartrider and msl at the same time, fun.
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United States1865 Posts
Jaedong is playing ZvZ better than it has ever been played in the history of starcraft. He can take the tiniest of slip ups by his opponent, take any advantage at all and and press it into a victory. Simply insane
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and i was here thinking ZvZ is supposed to be luck based
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JD's zvz is probably the most consistent matchup any progamer has ever shown
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or i guess maybe iloveoov's TvZ when he didn't lose against a single zerg for a year from 03 to 04
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On February 02 2008 14:26 kramus wrote: or i guess maybe iloveoov's TvZ when he didn't lose against a single zerg for a year from 03 to 04 then, ipxzerg came ^^
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On February 02 2008 14:28 sage_francis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:26 kramus wrote: or i guess maybe iloveoov's TvZ when he didn't lose against a single zerg for a year from 03 to 04 then, ipxzerg came ^^ well july first, then eventually yeah
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Flash 100% vs T (5-0) -_-
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go hwasin!!!!!! ^^;
Loki II Hwasin - 8 White Flash - 2 Red
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On February 02 2008 14:30 kramus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:28 sage_francis wrote:On February 02 2008 14:26 kramus wrote: or i guess maybe iloveoov's TvZ when he didn't lose against a single zerg for a year from 03 to 04 then, ipxzerg came ^^ well july first, then eventually yeah
indeed
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a lot of nothing going on right now
massive armies, 4 bases each.
hwasin pushing up into some tanks. flash has 6 dropships flying around with 6 tanks + 12 gols
big fight at the 6 expand
looks about even
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flash's dropships keep running around and keeps getting intercepted by turrets, huge army from hwasin going at the 6'clock position
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both b4 and prod gol/tank on 6/7 fact.
flash has 6/7 ds
hwasin has none
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hwasin taking 10 and 12 o'clock expansions! flash still flying his dropships around, has about 8 facs
can't get fac count for hwasin as I'm late to the party
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flash sieging and canceling the 12 expand, hwasin has the 10 up now and is trying to defend it
10 tanks from flash > 4 tanks + gols from hwasin
flash has the mobility advantage at this point but I think hwasins expands have been up longer
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flash camping the 12 o'clock expand and is prevented from moving into the 10 o'clock by a bunch of tanks.
flash is expanding to the 12 o'clock now while hwasin finally has dropships out
battle going on at the 6 oclock position! MASTERFUL drop by flash on the tanks takes them out and flattens the CC
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hwasin sucks, time to stop watching this, ill be back when hwasin lost
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Flash now taking the 6 o'clock. both are going very tank heavy.
hwasin has sieged on the 12 cliffs separating flash's reinforcements from his 12 expand
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flash just got the upperhand
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battle over 12! hwasin drops 12+ gols and 6 tanks and takes 12 UNTIL flash counter drops with 10+ tanks and 10+ gols! he should be able to keep the territory at 12 o'clock and is 1 expand ahead
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flask is definately owning hwasin here.
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inner 3 o'clock expansion for flash is mined out as are the mains probably.
Hwasin needs to equalize on expansions or he's screwed
Flash building 12 o'clock now while sieging 10 o'clock from the clifts
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flash is playing amazingly knows where and when hwasin will be
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Hwasin coming in with 5 dropships to the 6 o'clock position is well scouted and countered by Flash's own dropships. He has like 8 of them and totally obliterated the attack
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Flash has been far ahead of Hwasin for so long, but the game still moving so slowly. Ugh.. TvTs ftl.
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It's looking to me like Flash has the advantage over Hwasin. My liquibet is royally screwed, mostly just because I missed one bet Dammit CJ.
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i think TvTs are good because of the strategy shown in it its like watching chess
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flash's drops are so good
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Flash is playing beautifully. His anticipation is amazing, and timing of his counter drops and attack are simply unmatched.
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Hwasin sieges up 10 tanks at the ramp to 6 o'clock. He clumps them all together so flash can roll him again... and probably again...
Hwasin has to walk everywhere because he's been losing DS's to turrents and gols
Tries again to attack the 12 o'clock
Flash drops on the high ground, sieges, and defends
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hwasin should gg already
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8 dropships worth of attack on Hwasin's 10 o'clock. He can't defend and is trying to counter at the 12 o'clock.
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flash is like the jaedong of TvT
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hwasin's 11 o'clock expo gone
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wow, easy win for flash...Wont be the same vs JD ^^
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flash defends easily and we're just waiting for res to run out
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flash plowing the mid with a huge army
gg from hwasin
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hwasin ggs, flash to quarters
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On February 02 2008 14:56 sage_francis wrote: wow, easy win for flash...Wont be the same vs JD ^^
im the biggest jaedong fan but somehow there could be an upset? nvm what am i saying its jaedong
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hwasin played like shit, flash just played normally and won. not saying that flash isn't good, just disappointed at how crappy hwasin played
YAY NADA VS ANYTIME NEXT!!!
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On February 02 2008 14:53 noojOh wrote: i think TvTs are good because of the strategy shown in it its like watching chess And how many people watch Chess for its entertainment value?
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Flash did all the little thigns right.
Hawsin took bad army position decisions. That was a great game, but a bit long though.
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damn i hope nada wont play as crappy as in the first game today, i want a good game with a close win for anytime!
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Hwasin finally GGs. Flash definitely has the best TvT right now...his earlier dropships allowed him to dictate the action, it allowed him to counter where he needed to counter, and his anticipation of where hwasin was going to attack was like he was psychic.
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cmon NADA!! Give us a match worth watching!
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On February 02 2008 14:58 noojOh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:56 sage_francis wrote: wow, easy win for flash...Wont be the same vs JD ^^ im the biggest jaedong fan but somehow there could be an upset? nvm what am i saying its jaedong
i have really no idea of flash TvZ skill ^^
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On February 02 2008 14:59 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:53 noojOh wrote: i think TvTs are good because of the strategy shown in it its like watching chess And how many people watch Chess for its entertainment value?
ya which is why people say its boring but some people like it tvt is always the same pattern tho
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On February 02 2008 14:59 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:53 noojOh wrote: i think TvTs are good because of the strategy shown in it its like watching chess And how many people watch Chess for its entertainment value?
more than people watching sc ^^
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On February 02 2008 15:00 sage_francis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:58 noojOh wrote:On February 02 2008 14:56 sage_francis wrote: wow, easy win for flash...Wont be the same vs JD ^^ im the biggest jaedong fan but somehow there could be an upset? nvm what am i saying its jaedong i have really no idea of flash TvZ skill ^^
he rarely plays TvZs but hes average or better
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On February 02 2008 15:00 sage_francis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:58 noojOh wrote:On February 02 2008 14:56 sage_francis wrote: wow, easy win for flash...Wont be the same vs JD ^^ im the biggest jaedong fan but somehow there could be an upset? nvm what am i saying its jaedong i have really no idea of flash TvZ skill ^^ It doesn't really matter against Jaedong anyway.
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please nada, die in a decent way ....
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Russian Federation82 Posts
WingSandrockX THX~~!!! was trying to fix my gomplayer, completly forgot about yaoyuan, THANK YOU!
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On February 02 2008 15:03 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 15:00 sage_francis wrote:On February 02 2008 14:58 noojOh wrote:On February 02 2008 14:56 sage_francis wrote: wow, easy win for flash...Wont be the same vs JD ^^ im the biggest jaedong fan but somehow there could be an upset? nvm what am i saying its jaedong i have really no idea of flash TvZ skill ^^ It doesn't really matter against Jaedong anyway.
true
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On February 02 2008 15:03 sage_francis wrote: please nada, die in a decent way ....
Hahahahaha... what a gosu request.
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Nada let's do this! I'm staying up for you baby.
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It doesn't really matter against Jaedong anyway.
True dat
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On February 02 2008 15:02 sage_francis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 14:59 teamsolid wrote:On February 02 2008 14:53 noojOh wrote: i think TvTs are good because of the strategy shown in it its like watching chess And how many people watch Chess for its entertainment value? more than people watching sc ^^
lol good counter
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The only good thing about nada is he can't possibly suck as much as last time.
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Yay . just got here! fuck I thought they were going to be like in 2 hours T_T missed Jd and hwasin T_T
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On February 02 2008 15:05 triangle wrote: The only good thing about nada is he can't possibly suck as much as last time. Remind me, was his last game that one against Kwanro?
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On February 02 2008 15:06 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Yay . just got here! fuck I thought they were going to be like in 2 hours T_T missed Jd and hwasin T_T
u didnt miss much in hwasin since he was overpowered by beautiful play by flash but ya u missed out on jaedong
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On February 02 2008 15:07 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 15:05 triangle wrote: The only good thing about nada is he can't possibly suck as much as last time. Remind me, was his last game that one against Kwanro?
Nope, it was vs Anytime
edit: beaten to it -_-
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Nada let his wallin depot die to zealot and got raped bad last game.
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On February 02 2008 15:07 noojOh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 15:06 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Yay . just got here! fuck I thought they were going to be like in 2 hours T_T missed Jd and hwasin T_T u didnt miss much in hwasin since he was overpowered by beautiful play by flash but ya u missed out on jaedong
wat did jd pull out this time?
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They're going over brackets now.
Anytime > Nada from '07 onward winning on python and katrina
5-4 Anytime overall
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On February 02 2008 15:10 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 15:07 noojOh wrote:On February 02 2008 15:06 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Yay . just got here! fuck I thought they were going to be like in 2 hours T_T missed Jd and hwasin T_T u didnt miss much in hwasin since he was overpowered by beautiful play by flash but ya u missed out on jaedong wat did jd pull out this time?
Very nice ling micro during a very fast lair tech.
Poor Lux stood no chance.
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On February 02 2008 15:10 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 15:07 noojOh wrote:On February 02 2008 15:06 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Yay . just got here! fuck I thought they were going to be like in 2 hours T_T missed Jd and hwasin T_T u didnt miss much in hwasin since he was overpowered by beautiful play by flash but ya u missed out on jaedong wat did jd pull out this time?
sneaking lings lings to delay luxury's ling rush drone dancing to avoid kills by lings n overall game sense
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Game Starting!!
Map is Zodiac
Anytime at the 12 in blue Nada at the 9 in orange
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everyone cheering for nada even though he lost like a fag last time :D thats the spirit :D gogogogoog NaDa!!
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pylon then scout in the right direction for anytime
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Yay! keep screaming for NaDa :D :D :D sexy thang!
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gas and rax for nada after supply
standard
anytime has gateway and gas and cyber going up
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probe doing some hellish harass of the barrax building scv
scv escapes at 5 health and is saved by the first marine
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sick probe micro by anytime
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nada scouts anytime and sees the cyb core spinning. Dragoon out while Nada has his fact just about finished
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robo going up as 2 dragoons kill the scouting scv
nada has 3 marines at ramp and a maching shop before vult -- he's starting his CC inside his base to be floated out later
Anytime getting 2nd gate aswell
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I so fucking wish NaDa show us his Tornado terran gogo FE!
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obs first for anytime as nada's tank scares off the dragoons
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NaDa floating a rax up, probably to spot not to cheese
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yay I'm back just in time for Nada!
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ebay going for nada
anytime starts his expansion.
3 tanks and siege mode done for nada. he's floating his CC to his nat now
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On February 02 2008 15:18 neagling wrote: obs first for anytime as nada's tank scares off the dragoons Oh, wow my stream is behind, I just saw Anytime start his observatory...
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robotics support bay warping in.
Nada already has some turrents up and nabs an observer!!
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héhé 1st observer dead ^^ gooooodd !!!
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nada positioning some of his forces next to his main CC for defense
Anytime with another expansion to the inside 12 o'clock!
Academy going up
SHUTTLE!!.. does nothing
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3 facts for nada sofar, shuttle flying around trying to find a weakness.
turrents up at the nat just in time to prevent the drop
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wow anytime is getting raped by vults and build order
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6 gateways for anytime sofar. citadel warping in
Nada looks to be breaking the contain with tanks and doing a push
Reaver got hit with siege shots and is in the red
nada starts another CC in his main base
VULTURES IN THE 3rd expansioN!! all probes down with dragoons cleaning up
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anytime just lost his reaver does not look good at all for him
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haha reaver and shuttle dead !!! gooooooddd !!!!!
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single zeal dropped into nada's main and the shuttle taken out by missle turrents
anytime tried to box his 3rd expansion in with pylons but still let those vults through
1.5 control groups of dragoons for anytime with 8 zeals
mines being deployed
nada has 10ish tanks and more vults
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so far, nada not sucking at all, really.
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Come on Anytime! You can do this!!
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Zeal speed is upgraded and they are bombing into the mine line
big fight outside the inner 9 o'clock expansion!!!
12ish tanks defend comfortably
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anytime loses a lot of zealots and goons in a battle
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wtf suicide attack by anytime? sometimes i dont understand pro gamers
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Vulture raid at Anytime's Nat!! all probes GONE!
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vults get in anytimes expo gets like all the probes
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Wow. Anytime really failed his attack, Nada produced a nice blockade and his vulture attacks always deal solid damage.
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OMG! this is the real nada ! crazy macro + killing probes with tornado vults :D
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anytime playing pretty bad today and nada is doing pretty good, crazy shiat!
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Nada is walling off his 3rd expand and has 6 facts to anytime's 8 gateways
templar archive and stargate warping in now
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This is some of the worst play I've ever seen from any Protoss in the history of StarCraft.
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nada is fucking microing here and there and here.! MACROING his apm right now is prolly at 450!
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Starport starting for Nada while also putting up more facts
Vults meet up with dragoons in the middle
dragoons raped by micro + mines
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There goes today's 4/4 Damn you AnyTime, better win the 3rd game so I stay in the bracket contest!
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Anytime is still going off of 2 gas and has 2 control groups of zeals but lost most of his dragoons
nada expanding to the inner 6 o'clock while mostly containing anytime
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nada with starport with control for dropships?
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I haven't seen Anytime play this horribly in forever.
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gg from anytime, 3rd set incoming!
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HUGE battle in the middle
equal zeals get DESTROYED by equal number of tanks
GG by anytime
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gg from anytime there goes my liquibet
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That's the real fucking NaDa!
He is gonna own him next ;D
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vult + tanks raping shit at mid.
anytime GGs!
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I don't think I've ever wanted anything as much as I want NaDa to advance.. <3
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too bad its loki 2. expecting/dreading carriers.
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Next set on Loki II
PvT record is 6-4
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Hey GUYS! really really off the subject but can someone answer me this Im going to buy a new mouse to play SC because Im gettin tired of my fat big optical microsoft... Any recommendations?
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Lol I fell 20 ranks because I thought Luxury was gonna pull off a upset win, but this nada/anytime game put me back up 20 ranks.
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Yeah. I recommend to not post it in a live report thread. DUh?
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God, that was Pokju-bad. That was Hero-bad. That was Terato-bad.
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nada unstoppable now !!! he will advance !!
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Game 3 starting @ Loki II
Anytime Green at 2 o'clock Nada Light Blue at 8 o'clock
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It would be so great if Nada advanced. ^^ Go, Nada.
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Fuck
1/3
Come on Anytime ! DO THIS!!
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Pylon then scout again for anytime
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On February 02 2008 15:31 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Hey GUYS! really really off the subject but can someone answer me this Im going to buy a new mouse to play SC because Im gettin tired of my fat big optical microsoft... Any recommendations? For SC the best mouses are: Logitech MX300/G1 Logitech Mini Optical (Most progamers use) and the KTEC Mouses, but they're very hard to get if you don't live in Korea.
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이윤열 FIGHTING!
2/3 so far
man hwasin... i thought you would at least take it to a 3rd match
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probe harassing mineralline scv's
manner assimilator
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Nada clearly allowed the gas Steal.
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i only dropped 4 ranks so pshh w/e
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probe now trying to harass barracks building scv again
gets shut down by 3 scvs
steals some gas too that jerk
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first zeal out for anytime as is the first marine
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a little delay of the natural protected nexus but not much.
anytime getting gas now too
nada expanding to his protected nat as well
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3 marines finally take out the scout
both have gas now; cyb core going up for anytime
4 marines out for nada who just started his fact
2nd gateway going for anytime
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citadel starting as well as natural gas for anytime
armory and academy going up for nada
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templar archives for anytime at 3 gates now
nada with machine shop going for tanks again
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On February 02 2008 15:34 noojOh wrote: i only dropped 4 ranks so pshh w/e
I dropped like 6 -_-
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both start their 2nd expansions
DT out
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turrents going up at the door step for nada
he already has comsat as well so he should hopefully be okay
it's delaying him floating his CC to his outside nat though
Starport and stargate up! ARBITARS!
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Nada should retire after he loses this game and is out of MSL. Seriously, just retire now before his overall win-loss ratio becomes like Boxer's.
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DT under the CC preventing it from landing
Nada wastes a scan to get it
2nd DT incoming
the turrent he set up was above his ramp so he needs to get them with scans
2 stargate arbiters!
4 gateways total
nada consolidating to his outside nat
anytime putting a pylon at the 11 expand
sci facility up too
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On February 02 2008 15:40 ssj100 wrote: Nada should retire after he loses this game and is out of MSL. Seriously, just retire now before his overall win-loss ratio becomes like Boxer's.
yes like your win-loss ratio matters how good you are
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EMP SVs?
Mmh. Even if he loses, Nada will attempt to go down in a blaze of glory.
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expand going up at the 11 for anytime vessel out for nada!
2x forge for anytime matched by 2x armor for nada
he's up to at least 4 facs
both stargates are blinking arbiters
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first arbiter out
vultures mining around nadas base
scifi is just chilling at his protected nat too
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nada up to like 8 facs
haven't seen a gol yet though
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2 arbiters out for anytime
noones attacked for quite a while
a probe is going over to 10 and starts expand a probe was at 4 too putting up cannon
another CC going up in Nada's main
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RECALL into the protected natural!!!!
arbiter is taken out as are the forces with some SCV loss
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Nice defense by Nada against recall, although the EMP attempt was botched.
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Nada has no pressure at all and will/is fall behind in eco if his vultures can't raid some bases
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vultures move out and mine towards the 11 expand all the way through to the 10 expan
arbiters and zeals and dragoons cutting them off
vults get some probe kills at 11 but are taken out
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RECALL into protected Nat
nada quickly launches off and runs SCV's
about 12 dragoons still in nat
STASIS on the scivessels
nada moving tanks in
uses marines to kill arbs
5 dragoons remaining
he saves his CC !!
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YES! NADA PLEASE TAKE THIS!
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10 and 11 are mining along nicely with cannon protection
arbiter forgets where he is and wanders into nada's main and dies uselessly
Nada still 2 basses behind; maybe even 3 if I could read the minmap
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zeals suiciding into mines
stasis going off on tanks
MINE takes out A LOT OF TERRAN UNITS
Nada's FORCES MELTING AWAY
STORM OFF on Vults!!!!
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Nada has like 9 tanks + 5 vults + 2 gols left
pushing into the 11 again
last arb goes down
templar being a bitch with storms again
NADA NEEDS TO KILL THESE EXPANDS OR HE WILL LOSE!!!
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Pleaseeeeeeeeeee Nada <3 <3
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I THINK NADA is gonna take this gogoogog ! :D keep it up!
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Finally an exciting game!!!
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anytimes 12 o'clock expo being barraged by tanks
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Nada runing vults into 10 defended by only 2 cannons
He'll have that base
Nada tries to expand to 5 but is found out by an arb + 12 zeals and drags
Anytime Bombing through Nada's mine field
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10 and 11 nexus are down but anytime is attacking nada's inner 9 expansion
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looks bad for anytime now!
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nada up to like 12 facs and easily defends
now he's pushing out!!!!
arbs are using stasis but a scivessel escapes from it!!
nada at anytime's inner 3 o'clock expansion!! knocking on the doorstep!
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inner 3 o c'lock expo for anytime down!
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he's taken the inner 3 expansion and has 8 gols and many tanks + 2 scivessels and vults
anytime has 3 arbs up that stasis tanks on the ramp
Nada tries to flank but has to retreat
EMP!
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ogogogoogo NADAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Majority of nada's army in stasis 1 scivessel still alive
nada expanding to 5 o'clock
res are running low for both
EMP goes off again on arbs
both arbs go down!!!
nada is pushing up to the unprotected nat and
ANYTIME GG's!!!!
NADA IN MY HEART
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anytime GGs!
woot NADA!
TORNADO!!!!
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nada, the girls' panties are soaking again. =
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wow. AnyTime made so many mistakes both games.
Props to NaDa, played pretty well.
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Holy shiat. Nada pulls it off with really nice play, and advances.
Really, I didn't expect that.
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I blame the obvious and very easy to see hangover.
I wanna kill somebody right now.
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He has a cute parent + baby stuffed animal thing too
not sure which animal though
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Haha, Nada has to play Mind in the Ro8 if he advances..... XD
Nada's almost sure to lose against Mind, though..
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Lee Yun Yeol Lee Yun Yeol HE DID IT!!!
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That was so awful. Terrible play from Anytime.
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Pah =( no MSL bracket contest for me anymore!
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Nada advancing improves my over-all quality of life.
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And I would say NaDa didn't win these 2 games, AnyTime lost them. Especially the 2nd.
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Yes! Nada you made it all worthwhile, go go I believe you and fighting!
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cant believe the same guy played game 1 ^^
im so glad !! gj nada !!
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Anytime definitely had the advantage and probably should've just went carriers instead of using all his gas on terrible arbiter usage
Nada had his main mined and turrented to hell and was good at scans/having mobile detection
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But hey, I think I root for him too now, so whatever I always liked NaDa!
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silly anytime... loki 2 is made for carriers. but a gg from nada. not perfect but well done nonetheless.
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HonestTea
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Not sure if this has been pointed out already, but Anytime looks really sick. I don't envy him at the moment.
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anyone wanna take over live reporting for this SUPER DUPER EXCITING TvT matchup we have next?!?!
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GG LIQUIBET GG BRACKET CONTEST GG MY LIFE
FUCK
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On February 02 2008 15:56 Nintu wrote: Nada advancing improves my over-all quality of life.
I can relate to that one.
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I was so looking forward to Anytime vs Jaedong.
Ugh.. who did Anytime got drinking with yesterday? I have to kill that person. He was so obviously hung over. No. His fingers were cold. The monitors weren't set right. They didn't give him proper time to adjust his keyboard. WHAT THE HELLL.
I hope Nada gets crushed by Mind. -_-;; MALICE.
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0/3 so far I give up liquibet =_=;........ WTF ANYTIME what was THAT? props to NaDa though for taking him out ^^b
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Shine, I know you stand no chance and you'll never win anything big, but please, do win this little match versus Mind so Puosu can get a 4/4 for this day, thank you.
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THIS MSL OFFICIALLY SUCKS
WITH BISU OUT, I WAS ONLY CHEERING FOR ANYTIME
NOW THAT HE IS OUT, THE MSL IS MEANINGLESS
SHIT
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On February 02 2008 15:59 ssj100 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 15:56 Nintu wrote: Nada advancing improves my over-all quality of life. I can relate to that one. But you want NaDa to retire, you're an evil boy!
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On February 02 2008 16:00 Seraphim wrote: THIS MSL OFFICIALLY SUCKS
WITH BISU OUT, I WAS ONLY CHEERING FOR ANYTIME
NOW THAT HE IS OUT, THE MSL IS MEANINGLESS
SHIT
We still got Kal for a possible finals vs Jaedong, I'm looking forward to that. But apart from it...meh, kinda meh.
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Being hung-over is nobody but Anytime's own fucking fault. Unlike being sick with the flu or a family tragedy, being hung-over is no excuse at all for a shitty performance. It is the gamers' own responsibility to make sure they play at their best, and if Anytime was stupid enough to go drinking the night before and overestimate his own ability (or underestimate Nada that much) then all I can is, stupid is as stupid does.
Having said that, although I am happy on an emotional level because I like Nada more than Anytime, it's probably not good for the MSL that Anytime fucked up. Because he undoubtedly IS still the better player at the moment.
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Mind vs. Shine on Loki II next Mind 3-0 vs. Shine lifetime including his first set win on bluestorm
Mind 11-7 vs. T overall (~61%) Shine 13-10 vs. T overall (~56.5%)
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On February 02 2008 16:03 Sawajiri wrote:Being hung-over is nobody but Anytime's own fucking fault. Unlike being sick with the flu or a family tragedy, being hung-over is no excuse at all for a shitty performance. It is the gamers' own responsibility to make sure they play at their best, and if Anytime was stupid enough to go drinking the night before and overestimate his own ability (or underestimate Nada that much) then all I can is, stupid is as stupid does. Having said that, although I am happy on an emotional level because I like Nada more than Anytime, it's probably not good for the MSL that Anytime fucked up. Because he undoubtedly IS still the better player at the moment.
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hey some mind fangirls in the audience for a change.
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lol, i was joking about the hangover -_-;; We don't even know if he was sick or hungover.
Nada is frosted flakes.
CAN YOU DEAL WITH IT?
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WHAT?! SUPER JONG MAN IS SUPER CRYPTIC MAN
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they show the intro way too much
also I don't like the new wemade uniforms
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God, I just can't stand looking at Mind. -_-;;
It's kind of funny though I seem to see more Shine fans than Mind fans, and wtf has Shine done?
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Game Starting @ Loki II
Shine @ 8 o'clock in cream (allied) Mind @ 2 o'clock in purple
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United States20661 Posts
On February 02 2008 16:08 Sawajiri wrote: God, I just can't stand looking at Mind. -_-;;
It's kind of funny though I seem to see more Shine fans than Mind fans, and wtf has Shine done?
Shine was interviewed by YGclan
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SOMEONE CHEEEEEESEEEE arg where's boxer when you need him
Zzzzzz a supply depot! you guys are BOTH GENIUS's!!
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CA10824 Posts
man they really need to edit that MSL intro HEAVILY for the Ro8 considering that like 3/4 of those people featured got eliminated super early lol
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Mind scouting on 11 ish and expanding to his unprotected nat
barracks going for shine
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On February 02 2008 16:10 neagling wrote: SOMEONE CHEEEEEESEEEE arg where's boxer when you need him
Zzzzzz a supply depot! you guys are BOTH GENIUS's!! please shut up
thanks
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Shine also expanding to his unprotected nat
mind gets gas and I don't see his barracks yet but i'm just going to assume it's around somewhere
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On February 02 2008 15:56 Nintu wrote: Nada advancing improves my over-all quality of life.
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1 fact machine shop + TWO STARPORT WRAITH for mind
vs.
2 fact (1 shop) + armory + expand to protected nat for shine
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mind with 2 port getting wraiths and cloaking now. shine with armory up, 3rd base up and 2 fac. i think he'll defend the wraiths easily and take the win from there.
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On February 02 2008 16:12 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 16:10 neagling wrote: SOMEONE CHEEEEEESEEEE arg where's boxer when you need him
Zzzzzz a supply depot! you guys are BOTH GENIUS's!! please shut up thanks
if you're going to tell me to shutup at least have the courtesy to take over live reporting for those who want it
4 facts going up for shine
4 wraiths and a protected nat expo going for mind
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shine has the backnat up already and is adding 2 more fac for 4. mind with 4 wraith. taking his protected back nat now. just idling with his wraiths. 5 wraiths now. but shine has 3 scanner and ebay coming.
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wraiths inbound into protected nat.
they have cloak! the protected is defended by 4 gols
scan goes off and gols take down a wraith after they took down 2 scvs
now they're harassing the unprotected main
ebay is up for shine and he's putting up turrets
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mind getting some SCVs by abusing the mobility of his wraiths flying between shine's expos. but the numbers are insignificant (something like 5). 4 fac for mind as well. and his back nat is up.
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4 CC started for Mind
Shine up to 6 or 7 Facs
5 gols and 4 tanks of Shine rolling toward Mind's nat
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Mind is going superduper tanks
he has 5 facts all with addons + another addon without a fact attached to it
3rd expand is up at inner 3 o'clock position for mind
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mind not very careful with his wraiths. he's lost 3 of them already. shine is moving out with some tank gol. about a group. 6 gol and 4 tank~~. shine trying to take 9 gas expo. but scv is taken out by wraith. shine just moving around aimlessly in the centre of the map. mind has 3 gas expo up.
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CC going up at the 10 o'clock for shine
shine's army is equal parts gols and tanks
starport up for shine as well
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shine loses some gols carelessly to mind's sieged tanks but nothing major. still moving aroudn aimlessly in centre. while taking top left and 9. mind's army is strangely very small. he's got 4 fac with addon. shine with 6 fac 3 addon.
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Mind expanding to the 4 o'clock corner expansion. 2 armories going up for Mind
Shine expoing to the 11 o'clock
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2 more starports going for Mind
shine is putting up a lot of ports as well
Battlecruiser battle imminent
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mind taking bottom right and the 12 expo as well. shine finally getting controltower on his starport so he can get some dropships. map is split in half now. with mine taking 6 and bottom right and shine taking 12 and top left. shine with gol tank. mind with wraith tank. wraith production has been slack though. only 6 wraiths. but many many tanks. adding 3 starport now. and mind has got 3 armory, likely for double flyer upgrades + weapons land upgrade. both players getting mass starport + addon now. BC war coming.
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Shine has like 6-8 ports going up and 1500ish minerals (in first person)
Mind has something like 4000 minerals
currently a small siege battle in middle with mind using cloaked wraiths to spot
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BC fight coming...This game is so boring compared to the Flash Hwasin game. Like 7 starports up for shine, and about 5 for Mind.
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first battle cruisers popping for Mind
Mind has the 5 o'clock expansion too so their dead even
not much mining going on in the 11 o'clock for shine
Mind's tanks moving somewhere near the starports @ the inner 9o'clock expansion of shine's
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2 BC's + 12 tanks sieging the starport production facilities but 6 BC's pop for Shine and he pushes mind back but not before losing a port or two
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On February 02 2008 16:16 neagling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 16:12 LosingID8 wrote:On February 02 2008 16:10 neagling wrote: SOMEONE CHEEEEEESEEEE arg where's boxer when you need him
Zzzzzz a supply depot! you guys are BOTH GENIUS's!! please shut up thanks if you're going to tell me to shutup at least have the courtesy to take over live reporting for those who want it
LosingID8 has a point there, if your going to try and live report in that manner, don't even bother. Live reporting isn't mandatory in threads either, too.
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wow shine has like 10 starports with addon. 2 armory upgrading. mind with only 5 starport with addon. seems like both players are gonna wait for their BCs to be out before they do anything. all of shine's starports are building. i think mind is maxed. wow mind avoided shine's tank line to attack the 9 base from behind. all of shine's starports going down now. but the bcs spawn just in time and they will force mind's tanks back because of his lack of anti air. shine with about 7 bcs vs mind's 2. mind is pretty fucked imo. sacrificing scvs now to clear some supply. his move with the tanks was too little, too late.
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mind suiciding some SCV's into Shine's defenses at 11 o'clock
cloaked wraiths chip away at some of the BC's
Shine has an SCV repairing some of his cruisers
Mind has 6 ports to Shine's (now) 5 ports but Shine is also rebuilding one
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fuck I have a feeling mind's gonna lose. then we'll have to watch this all over again.
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Shine doesn't have energy for yomato or else he'd have caught mind out of position right at the inner 3 o'clock cliff
turrets going up for mind but scv's getting picked off
yamatoes go off and mind is doing a bad job of keeping his BC's together
they still lost about equal cruisers
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shine's gonna win
boring-ass game
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shine has more cruiser's than mind and is bringing in gol reinforcements
mind down to 1 cruiser as tanks take out the gols
mind in much trouble especially if shine targets the scifacility
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shine adding another starport for 7. mind vastly outnumbered in bcs. but he's got many tanks. which are kinda useless. he should sacrifice them all to take out 1 of shine's expos. mind losing BCs to yamato now. BCs meet at mind's 3 base. mind retreats but shine chases and hunts down the remaining bcs. 5 of his left over. now mind's sciencefacility going down.
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shine should attack either the tech/economy/production of Mind but he isn't doing squat
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All of Mind's BC's and tanks go down to Shine's Cruisers outside the inner 3 o'clock expansion
GG by Mind
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mind gonna GG soon. he has no army. and shine has mass bcs. and more bcs coming. his opening with the wraiths was poor. he did nothing with them. and did nothing with his mass tanks until it was too late.
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nobody does anything so shine expos faster, gets faster bc, gg.
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Ahahahahahahahaha. Shine's power bcs... wow he's so cool. Rock and Shine... my favorite two.
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uhuh wp shine ^^ the defending champion is in trouble ^^
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Nice, now just one more, Shine. ^^
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Deciding Map @ Zodiac Starting!!
Shine @ 9 o'clock Blue Mind @ 6 o'clock White (allied)
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What an uninspiring game.
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FUCK
OMG
WHAT IS THIS? THE BW GODS HATE MY LIQUIBET
TRYING TO KEEP THE YELLOW MAN DOWN - THEY GOT ME TRAPPED
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Gas + rax for mind then fact
Expo before rax for shine
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mind scouting the wrong way (counter clockwise)
Shine hasn't scouted yet
Mind expoing to his nat as well
Nothing really out of the ordinary so far
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bunker + rax + supply block @ bridge for shine
vult out for mind with machine shop and 2x STARPORT going up!
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Shine also has a port going up along with an armory and machine shop
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looks like mind didn't prepare a separate build for this map.
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Oh lawd. Luxury loses again, Hwasin falls over and Anytime somehow fucks it over twice. Horrible, horrible day :'(
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Wraiths + cloak rsearching for Mind
Shine with another 3 Facts and a dropship out!
Acad just started and 2 wraiths are already out
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Shine drops an SCV to the island expo
shine tries to drop gols into mind's main but has it repelled by tanks and then killed by cloaked wraiths
wraiths harassing main now
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mind is terrible with wraiths. he should go for facs + dropship instead. oh. he got a dropship with 3 gols in it before it did much damage. that might be the mistake that loses him the game. 3 tanks at shine's door now. i think shine doesn't have siege mode up yet.
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another dropship goes down!
Mind is at Shine's bridge seiging the bunker down
gols and tanks for shine who doesn't look to have siege yet!
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Shine pushes Mind's tanks back with SCV shock troops followed with his tanks and gols
turrets and comsat are up for shine
Mind expoing to the 3 o'clock main
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Mind transitioning to drop ships and mass expands
he has another CC going up just inside his bridge
Shine is beginning to push up though
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Shine takes down one of Mind's Dropships with gols
Mind has just barely enough ground to defend
Shine's setting up a contain at Mind's bridge while Mind ferries an SCV to his island expand
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Mind does a great job stopping a drop at his 3 o'clock main with gols from a dropship
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Drop incoming into Mind's main
Shine uses sieged tanks at the inner 6 o'clock expansion to defend his own drop from afar
Shine doing a decent bit of damage but Mind has the tanks to defend
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mind kinda over expanding. if he can hold all his bases he'll be looking good. just took out a drop that was meant for his 3 main. he's taken island as well. shine still only has 2 base, with a CC starting at his island. looking good for mind. unless shine successfully attacks his nat. shine gonna try to ferry units into mind's base now. its working fairly well. but mind has many tanks coming in to defend. now if shine follows up with an attack that takes out the 3 main expo of mind. he'll be a good position.
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Simultaneous drops from Shine going at Mind's 3 o'clock and island expos
This is while Mind still has to defend his main from some remainder forces
Mind takes out the forces attacking 3 and then ferries over to take out the tanks shelling his island expo but not before losing many scvs
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Fuck, if Shine screwed up my liquibet, the least he can do is beat Mind -_-
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MEANWHILE
ANOTHER DROP ON MIND'S MAIN!!!
Drops units right onto the defending siege tanks!
NO SCV'S LEFT in MIND'S MAIN -- AWESOME HARASSMENT
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Mind's defense is really good, still hanging on by a thread despite overexpanding
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ANOTHER DROP at Mind's Island expo takes out all SCV's !!
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i thought mind lost his dropships but he's got 2 more and they defend his bases. shine with another drop in mind's main but it'll be taken out. mind quite low on SCV now though. lost many SCV at his island. and his main. shine drops mind's island again. but mind will save it with a mass drop of his own. loses a lot of units to tank splash though and all scvs at his island are down. he needs to deal some damage to shine's expos or he'll lose.
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scv welds goliath into submission.
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Shine is a lot better than I thought.
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Mind has 6 dropships running around now heading towards Shine's expo at the inner 9 o'clock!
Mind loses a dropship to gols before he even drops but manages to win with better drop position!1
CC of shine's goes down
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Another Shine drop on Mind's main Mind has taken back some initiative and finally takes out the tanks stationed at the inner 9 o'clock nat
Mains pretty much mined out as well as nats
Mind expands AGAIN to the 3 o'clock's natural
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wow a nice attack by mind. shine drops at his 2nd nat to take out a supply depot and a goliath there. mind comes in with his 6 ships and takes out all the units from shine's 4 dropship drop, the CC that was floating there, and a number of SCV. i'd say shine is quite strongly in the lead now. takes out another attempt of shine's to drop into his main. with supporting tanks outside. mind's SCV count everywhere is quite low though. main nat and island basically not mining anymore.
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some more battles go on in the middle
both have +1 weapons on thier metal
Drop into the 3 o'clock main expansion
Mind defends with his roving 6 dropship force
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lol scv attack by Mind, Shine GGs
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mass units vs mass units from dropships for both players. wow shine wins. he needs to deal some damage with his units now though. he drops mind's 3 main and mass SCVs + reinforcements from mind's dropshipst ake it out. another group of units from shine trying to deal some damage at the 3 nat is also killed by mass SCV + units from mind. the SCVs continue their trek down to shine's nat and take out more units. shine GGs.
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Mind takes overwhelming forces into the middle and, aided by shock SCV troops, decimates Shine's middle forces.
Shine GG's!
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Mind never won 2nd game in any series
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wow mind
your games are always so close
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mind is very very not good looking at all
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i don't comprehend why mind insists on opening with cloaked wraiths. then not doing any damage, and not following up with a tank/wraith strategy. might as well just get a starport for dropship, instead of wasting money on a few early game wraiths and cloaking. maybe its to induce fear into the opponent so he won't try dropship shenanigans early.
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Mind really expanded aggressively and did a solid job of fighting off Shine's drops on his eco.
Once all the minerals ran out Shine had only his island expand while Mind had his island + the 3 o'clock main and natural
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On February 02 2008 16:56 mjh wrote: mind is very very not good looking at all
Probably one of the worst ever.
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At least he knew he sucked at cloaked wraiths only making 5 of them and immediately transitioning into the more standard TvT drop game. You really need that mobility especially on zodiac
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On February 02 2008 16:56 pangshai wrote: i don't comprehend why mind insists on opening with cloaked wraiths. then not doing any damage, and not following up with a tank/wraith strategy. might as well just get a starport for dropship, instead of wasting money on a few early game wraiths and cloaking. maybe its to induce fear into the opponent so he won't try dropship shenanigans early.
Wraith -> Stopped Drop. Cloak -> Raped a few Scvs. Tank/Wraith Push, cracked bunker and put pressure on Shine's nat while slowing him down and forcing a distraction.
Then the tank line set up and wraiths prevent drops while Mind takes 4 bases.
However, Shine cracks the tank line at a pretty surprising time leading to a constant attack game by Shine trying to prevent Mind from having the 4 base jump. Then... the game plays out and Mind holds his bases and Shine is overspent.
Still, despite the tank line loss, I thougth the gameplan made sense and was played out well. Shine too.
It was a pretty gg.
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Omg
Shine...You ruined my liquibet and you didn't beat Mind. You fail at life.
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Shine is out ^^
That was a good game.
Mind plays still very very solid, makin very few mistakes, very good sense of timing (maybe his trademark).
I think he can beat JD.
Game vs Nada will be very exciting ^^
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My liquid bet is 0/4 today -_-
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weeee Nada vs Mind sexy, wonder if Nada can beat him down because they train together
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If Mind beats JD it's the end of Starcraft as far as I'm concerned.
I give Nada little chance against Mind, though, unfortunately.
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I really thought Anytime played so horribly bad both his games and it's only worth watching for Nada fans.
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YES NaDa! OOOOOOMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGG YYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS
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Wow, mind won with no-scan terran. He put depots all over the map instead.
Silentmarine is right. Mind always loses the second game in a series, but he always wins the first. Maybe that's why he consistantly wins in the end.
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I really hate how Mind made it so easy for himself this MSL. He's not meeting anyone else who's made the PR until the quarter finals.
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On February 02 2008 17:02 Sawajiri wrote:If Mind beats JD it's the end of Starcraft as far as I'm concerned. I give Nada little chance against Mind, though, unfortunately.
last msl noone bet on mind vs savior
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On February 02 2008 17:07 Sawajiri wrote: I really hate how Mind made it so easy for himself this MSL. He's not meeting anyone else who's made the PR until the quarter finals.
hes just good ^^ admit it ^^
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On February 02 2008 16:57 Sawajiri wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 16:56 mjh wrote: mind is very very not good looking at all Probably one of the worst ever.
On February 02 2008 17:02 Sawajiri wrote:If Mind beats JD it's the end of Starcraft as far as I'm concerned. I give Nada little chance against Mind, though, unfortunately.
Why's it the end of SC? Because Mind doesn't look good for you?
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Admit it guys, NaDa is taking his 4rth badge. Its over. Everyone else should GG. A real champion is in the house, FEAR the NaDa! Jaedong is going 0-3 in semis!
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I dont know why, but Mind have an aura that make me dislike him. It is same for bisu, I can not stand his face. But I have to admit they play really good, thus .. I cant stand them.
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On February 02 2008 17:20 VioleTAK wrote: Admit it guys, NaDa is taking his 4rth badge. Its over. Everyone else should GG. A real champion is in the house, FEAR the NaDa! Jaedong is going 0-3 in semis! Lol here's to hoping and dreaming!
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fuck woke up just to watch shine/mind third game and hwasin out :< fuck fuck fuck at least happy for nada
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2/4 I got Anytime and Mind wrong but screw my liquibet. GO NADA!!!!
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On February 02 2008 17:17 RaiSad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 16:57 Sawajiri wrote:On February 02 2008 16:56 mjh wrote: mind is very very not good looking at all Probably one of the worst ever. Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 17:02 Sawajiri wrote:If Mind beats JD it's the end of Starcraft as far as I'm concerned. I give Nada little chance against Mind, though, unfortunately. Why's it the end of SC? Because Mind doesn't look good for you?
Because I wouldn't want to keep watching a game in which every goddamn "solid" Terran with no personality and standard and uninnovative play can come out of nowhere and own someone like JD.
Him being ugly coupled with his uninspiring personality is a reason why I can't personally stand him, but his play is why I can see my interest in SC dwindling greatly should he be able to win against Jaedong.
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someone needs to stop the one air thingy ?
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Nada! Slept the games, but nada winning is like the best thing ever.
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On February 02 2008 17:41 Sawajiri wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 17:17 RaiSad wrote:On February 02 2008 16:57 Sawajiri wrote:On February 02 2008 16:56 mjh wrote: mind is very very not good looking at all Probably one of the worst ever. On February 02 2008 17:02 Sawajiri wrote:If Mind beats JD it's the end of Starcraft as far as I'm concerned. I give Nada little chance against Mind, though, unfortunately. Why's it the end of SC? Because Mind doesn't look good for you? Because I wouldn't want to keep watching a game in which every goddamn "solid" Terran with no personality and standard and uninnovative play can come out of nowhere and own someone like JD. Him being ugly coupled with his uninspiring personality is a reason why I can't personally stand him, but his play is why I can see my interest in SC dwindling greatly should he be able to win against Jaedong. The only people who call top progamer terran boring and standard obviously don't play terran. Mind has skill and is anything but standard. If he was standard he would lose a lot more Using the best/most solid builds available at the time is nothing you can fault a player for.
If you don't like his look fine, but some of us aren't 13 year old korean girls and can appreciate a player for his play and not his looks. He has solid and incredibly SMART play. Couple this with a flare for micro and you have a great player. Jaedong is the EXACT same way. Solid/incredibly smart, with a flare for micro. He doesnt depend on sneaky builds he just plays straight up but with better skill and better brains than anyone else.
This is what brood war is about. If you don't like the way bw is right now, then prehaps youre not a fan of bw. But more of a fangirl for the players themselves? Theres plenty of reach pictures you could download, or maybe you could get a poster and hang it on your wall?
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Goddamnit, I set my alarmclock to watch these games, only to find out they were played 3 and a half hours earlier :/
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And here we are, with all the talk of the end of terran dominance, with 5/8 people in the ro8 being terran. I guess hats only about 2 above the expected value, but still
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On February 02 2008 18:31 Agahnim wrote: Goddamnit, I set my alarmclock to watch these games, only to find out they were played 3 and a half hours earlier :/
Jesus I did the exact same thing and I swear I've checked the upcoming events several times to make sure it was the right time! Am I too used to the MSL being 18:30 for the big matches and not 14:00 or did it change in the last minute!? But anyway Jaedong beat Luxury 2-0 and all is good again!
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Battle of the terrans?
And I missed this becasue I'm brain dead will catch it tommorow.
Glad nada won.
GO NADS!
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Way too many fucking terrans in the quarters
WTF Anytime, you had that, Nada is so freaking out of shape, basically tossed 2 games away -_- ON toss maps too -_-
Rooting for Jaedong vs Kal finals now. Jaedong vs Upmagic would be fun if Upmagics TvZ didn't blow.
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On February 02 2008 18:20 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
If you don't like his look fine, but some of us aren't 13 year old korean girls and can appreciate a player for his play and not his looks. He has solid and incredibly SMART play. Couple this with a flare for micro and you have a great player. Jaedong is the EXACT same way. Solid/incredibly smart, with a flare for micro. He doesnt depend on sneaky builds he just plays straight up but with better skill and better brains than anyone else.
Lets face it, Mind doesn't have all that much personality in his game. Yes he plays very competent and reasonably smart, nothing spectacular, great timing and safe play, its all pretty much by-the-book, and also lets face the fact that there are way too many terran players of that sort around, at any moment there are only a very few gosu zergs (usually with a very powerful difference in their game, compare Savior, JD, July, Chojja) and a lot of mediocre ones, a very few gosu protoss (with some powerfully different styles, compare Stork, Bisu, Much) and a lot of mediocre ones, but at the moment theres not one really gosu terran, but a whole lot of "solid" safe players who clog up the Kespa top 30 and regularly make quarters and stuff and don't provide much in the way of excitement.
We've seen a steady stream of them ever since the last truly dominating and exciting T player, iloveoov, and none of them have achieved any lasting success nor look to have any. Every OSL/MSL you always get like 45% T players and generally most of them are hardly players whose games I'm really looking forward too. There are a few with a spark of brilliance, idiosyncrasy and creativity (Casy, Up, even Iris) and I enjoy watching them.
Part of it I admit is also just being sick of seeing Terran matchups, we don't get nearly enough cool PvZ (favorite matchup) or ZvZ (can be very intense, but so rare) or PvP (maybe even rarer given the dearth of Ps). Its a spectator sport after all. It seems even the map makers have caught on, we havent seen pro T maps in a while (not that they stopped Savior last time) and pro P maps and Z maps (Katrina, Blue Storm) are being kept around.
On February 02 2008 18:20 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: This is what brood war is about. If you don't like the way bw is right now, then prehaps youre not a fan of bw. But more of a fangirl for the players themselves? Theres plenty of reach pictures you could download, or maybe you could get a poster and hang it on your wall?
He/she has a point, this is kind of unnecessary =/
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WTF ?!!?! 0/4 , anyway shit happens if NaDa keeps winning against my odds it will be ok
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On February 02 2008 18:53 blagoonga123 wrote:And here we are, with all the talk of the end of terran dominance, with 5/8 people in the ro8 being terran. I guess hats only about 2 above the expected value, but still
True, but on a bright note a good thing is that we can have only 1 terran in semifinals.
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On February 02 2008 19:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 18:53 blagoonga123 wrote:And here we are, with all the talk of the end of terran dominance, with 5/8 people in the ro8 being terran. I guess hats only about 2 above the expected value, but still True, but on a bright note a good thing is that we can have only 1 terran in semifinals.
or 4 of them >_<
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NaDa <3 i dont even care if he played good or not.. but he made it im happy now
plz play your best vs mind =D
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YEAH!!!! I was holding my mouse over the result spoiler prepearing myself not to be disappointed and then he did it!!
Can't wait for the vods!
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On February 02 2008 20:03 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 19:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On February 02 2008 18:53 blagoonga123 wrote:And here we are, with all the talk of the end of terran dominance, with 5/8 people in the ro8 being terran. I guess hats only about 2 above the expected value, but still True, but on a bright note a good thing is that we can have only 1 terran in semifinals. or 4 of them >_<
Well let's be positive, shall we? And honestly i don't believe this is possible, at least jaedong and possibly Kal will be in semis
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On February 02 2008 19:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 18:53 blagoonga123 wrote:And here we are, with all the talk of the end of terran dominance, with 5/8 people in the ro8 being terran. I guess hats only about 2 above the expected value, but still True, but on a bright note a good thing is that we can have only 1 terran in semifinals.
If you dislike terran, then it's not really a bright note if at least one terran is Guarenteed a semifinal spot and it is possible for all four semifinalists to be terran.
And about Mind: he's not a usual terran in any way. He's won the first MSL since iloveoov back in '04, and although it's not been said often, in a way he's dethroned Bisu. In these last two games against Shine, he opened with a non-standard TvT build, and many comment that his games are always exciting to watch. He's about the youngest progamer out there (other than flash and by.baby), almost two years younger than jaedong (one year and nine months). He has the time and the opportunity to become the youngest OSL winner as well.
He won the first starleague he's appeared in, so he does not have much in the way of name recognition. Give him time and he may win a memorable game in a memorable way. Once his name becomes attached to a playstyle, the process of branding will begin. Mind has huge potential, as he is at the same age as when Nada first started playing.
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On February 02 2008 19:34 FieryBalrog wrote: Lets face it, Mind doesn't have all that much personality in his game. Yes he plays very competent and reasonably smart, nothing spectacular, great timing and safe play, its all pretty much by-the-book, and also lets face the fact that there are way too many terran players of that sort around.
That's exactly what I mean.
It's quite of a cheap shot to paint me as a 13-fan girl just because I admitted that part of me doesn't personally like Mind because he, as a person, is uncharismatic and unappealing. I am able to separate the players with how they play, and in fact I quite like, for example, Stork because although he isn't good-looking or charismatic either, I admire his play and what he brings to the tournaments he participates in (and to PL). Mind just happens to lose on both fronts - I neither like the guy himself nor his play and I am increasingly getting frustrated with the Terran race and the circumstances for its success.
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lol at the path for Mind, do yo see similarity with the previous MSL
GOM TV S3 MSL --------- GOM TV S4 MSL
first Mind beat ManiaST (no-name) ------ first mind beat shine (no-name) second Mind beat Iloveoov (bonjwa) ------ second mind will beat NaDa (bonjwa) third Mind beat Savior (bonjwa) ------- third mind will beat jaedong (pseudo-bonjwa) fourth Mind beat Bisu --------- third mind will beat kal !!!!!
u eared it first !!!!
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Nada in the final would be a dream comes true <3
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On February 02 2008 19:34 FieryBalrog wrote: Lets face it, Mind doesn't have all that much personality in his game. Yes he plays very competent and reasonably smart, nothing spectacular, great timing and safe play, its all pretty much by-the-book, and also lets face the fact that there are way too many terran players of that sort around, at any moment there are only a very few gosu zergs (usually with a very powerful difference in their game, compare Savior, JD, July, Chojja) and a lot of mediocre ones, a very few gosu protoss (with some powerfully different styles, compare Stork, Bisu, Much) and a lot of mediocre ones, but at the moment theres not one really gosu terran, but a whole lot of "solid" safe players who clog up the Kespa top 30 and regularly make quarters and stuff and don't provide much in the way of excitement.
We've seen a steady stream of them ever since the last truly dominating and exciting T player, iloveoov, and none of them have achieved any lasting success nor look to have any. Every OSL/MSL you always get like 45% T players and generally most of them are hardly players whose games I'm really looking forward too. There are a few with a spark of brilliance, idiosyncrasy and creativity (Casy, Up, even Iris) and I enjoy watching them.
Part of it I admit is also just being sick of seeing Terran matchups, we don't get nearly enough cool PvZ (favorite matchup) or ZvZ (can be very intense, but so rare) or PvP (maybe even rarer given the dearth of Ps). Its a spectator sport after all. It seems even the map makers have caught on, we havent seen pro T maps in a while (not that they stopped Savior last time) and pro P maps and Z maps (Katrina, Blue Storm) are being kept around.
You just answered it yourself, you don't wan't to see any terran matchups. But still you exaggerate. One rule for a progamer is, if you're not at least solid in all matchups you sooner or later get cut out of the run. Let's not forget we had 10 zergs in the round of 16!
What happend to them? Sea and Mind killed HoGiL and ZerO. No suprise there sAviOr took the exit with 0-2 GoRush couldn't handle Light (and only Light it was!) Yell0w[ArnC] died to his fellow zerg members.
Let's look at them protoss players who could not make it to the round of 16 SangHo 0-2 free 0-2 Nal_rA 0-2 Bisu 0-2
I mean it doesn't get more clearer than that. There where only two terrans who left the scene with a 0-2 on their back (xellos and memory). You can bitch about them mediocre terrans all you wan't, but i would hate more on these players up there who delivered nothing besides filling up room.
And. Yes we had a trend of more Terrans than Zerg and Protoss for the last three season (altough OSL now has more protoss). Terran was a dominant force, but overall there where lots of starleagues with more zergs than terrans. And the 16-players format tourneys had even race counts a lot. The format somehow encouraged that.
It strucks me with lightbolts to see your cute little "gosu zerg and protoss" list. And while you list those you act like these players are all spitshiny and all terrans are basicaly nothing but one dimensional. So on one hand you list those players completly ignoring how they do now but you trash terrans because they achieve nothing but quarters and such at this very moment. Was there anything like bisu and stork for protoss before? NO. Was there any Zerg really as dominant as savior before? NO. But i'm shure you know who was dominant before them. Don't act like the current state of the scene was allways like this. KeSpa lead by 2 protoss players before bisu and stork was a pipedream for protoss fans. You should be happy that you finaly have such consistend leaders. Did any boxer fan cry about how he had to fight against these countless mediocre zergs? Trash Mind all you wan't but don't act like Stork is even near a bisu or nal_ra or the coolness of a reach when it comes to personality.
You say you wan't more pvz, pvp and pvz. Watch proleague. 44 ZvZ 69 PvP 78 ZvP. Yeah rare as fuck. One month ago people bitched about how there where to many mirror matches.
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is awesome32244 Posts
NADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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incredible anytime lost T_T...can aynone tell me if anytime at least played well ot it was one sided rape !!
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Offtopic: why the hell bisu and july will play on blue storm again ?!?!?!?! this map sux, its auto-loss for Auir
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Er... nevermind, I'm an idiot.
Also while I'm being an idiot, 0/4... figure Hwasin wouldn't lose two in a row and neither would Luxury. Whelp.
This season has sucked for me, I'm below 50%.
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I must admit Mind keeps on playing quite well. He showed again some quite intelligent moves.
+ Show Spoiler +but I dont give a fuck about that. die you retarded ugly terran boy ...
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lol anytime.. wow wtf? i look forward to you raping everyone like you did in so1(?).. and you do this? ugh.
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On February 02 2008 21:35 trollbone wrote: lol at the path for Mind, do yo see similarity with the previous MSL
GOM TV S3 MSL --------- GOM TV S4 MSL
first Mind beat ManiaST (no-name) ------ first mind beat shine (no-name) second Mind beat Iloveoov (bonjwa) ------ second mind will beat NaDa (bonjwa) third Mind beat Savior (bonjwa) ------- third mind will beat jaedong (pseudo-bonjwa) fourth Mind beat Bisu --------- third mind will beat kal !!!!!
u eared it first !!!!
haha after jaedong beat iris after what i thought was his loss into a macro mode, i doubt mind terribly. jaedong is UNSTOPPABLE
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Hungary11232 Posts
Funny thing about trollbone's hypothesis is that the race allocation would be just the same. TTZP for the victory.
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On February 02 2008 23:36 Spyder wrote: incredible anytime lost T_T...can aynone tell me if anytime at least played well ot it was one sided rape !!
It seems people are saying that Anytime played horribly and it was more that he lost than Nada won.
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wtf is wrong with anytime
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On February 03 2008 01:02 Titusmaster6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 23:36 Spyder wrote: incredible anytime lost T_T...can aynone tell me if anytime at least played well ot it was one sided rape !! It seems people are saying that Anytime played horribly and it was more that he lost than Nada won. i didn't watch the third game, but in the second anytime definitely made some crucial and silly mistakes that nada capitalized on well. but yeah, nada is amazing
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On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 19:34 FieryBalrog wrote: Lets face it, Mind doesn't have all that much personality in his game. Yes he plays very competent and reasonably smart, nothing spectacular, great timing and safe play, its all pretty much by-the-book, and also lets face the fact that there are way too many terran players of that sort around, at any moment there are only a very few gosu zergs (usually with a very powerful difference in their game, compare Savior, JD, July, Chojja) and a lot of mediocre ones, a very few gosu protoss (with some powerfully different styles, compare Stork, Bisu, Much) and a lot of mediocre ones, but at the moment theres not one really gosu terran, but a whole lot of "solid" safe players who clog up the Kespa top 30 and regularly make quarters and stuff and don't provide much in the way of excitement.
We've seen a steady stream of them ever since the last truly dominating and exciting T player, iloveoov, and none of them have achieved any lasting success nor look to have any. Every OSL/MSL you always get like 45% T players and generally most of them are hardly players whose games I'm really looking forward too. There are a few with a spark of brilliance, idiosyncrasy and creativity (Casy, Up, even Iris) and I enjoy watching them.
Part of it I admit is also just being sick of seeing Terran matchups, we don't get nearly enough cool PvZ (favorite matchup) or ZvZ (can be very intense, but so rare) or PvP (maybe even rarer given the dearth of Ps). Its a spectator sport after all. It seems even the map makers have caught on, we havent seen pro T maps in a while (not that they stopped Savior last time) and pro P maps and Z maps (Katrina, Blue Storm) are being kept around.
You just answered it yourself, you don't wan't to see any terran matchups. But still you exaggerate. One rule for a progamer is, if you're not at least solid in all matchups you sooner or later get cut out of the run.
Or you win an OSL (ahem, Casy, Sync).
On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote: Let's not forget we had 10 zergs in the round of 16!
What happend to them? Sea and Mind killed HoGiL and ZerO. No suprise there sAviOr took the exit with 0-2 GoRush couldn't handle Light (and only Light it was!) Yell0w[ArnC] died to his fellow zerg members.
Let's look at them protoss players who could not make it to the round of 16 SangHo 0-2 free 0-2 Nal_rA 0-2 Bisu 0-2
I mean it doesn't get more clearer than that. There where only two terrans who left the scene with a 0-2 on their back (xellos and memory). You can bitch about them mediocre terrans all you wan't, but i would hate more on these players up there who delivered nothing besides filling up room.
OK. Theres a reason for that. Theres also a reason just about every Starleague has the highest enrollment in Terrans and that Terrans have won about 50% of all Starleagues combined and why there are so many "by the book" terrans. Its because T is the easiest race to play at the progaming level. Not by much, true. Its the race that usually benefits the most from maps, its the race where the user can make the most mistakes and still stay in the game (anti-slippery slope), and finally its the race with historically the most even off-race matchup (TvP) (compare to ZvT where zergs struggled mightily for years and PvZ which... everyone knows about PvZ). On the other hand P is the hardest race to play on the pro level so you usually get the fewest protoss.
On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote: And. Yes we had a trend of more Terrans than Zerg and Protoss for the last three season (altough OSL now has more protoss). Terran was a dominant force, but overall there where lots of starleagues with more zergs than terrans. And the 16-players format tourneys had even race counts a lot. The format somehow encouraged that. Historically T has always had the highest enrollment in starleagues (on average). I just went back and checked and yep. Most T, then Z, then P.
On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote: It strucks me with lightbolts to see your cute little "gosu zerg and protoss" list. And while you list those you act like these players are all spitshiny and all terrans are basicaly nothing but one dimensional.
What? I specifically mentioned Ts I like to watch. I also mentioned that this is a current trend, that no Terran champion has emerged post-oov. If someone like Upmagic was to become dominant with his style I couldn't be happier.
On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote: Don't act like the current state of the scene was allways like this.
uh, I very specifically didn't. Read it again please.
On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote: KeSpa lead by 2 protoss players before bisu and stork was a pipedream for protoss fans. You should be happy that you finaly have such consistend leaders. Did any boxer fan cry about how he had to fight against these countless mediocre zergs? Trash Mind all you wan't but don't act like Stork is even near a bisu or nal_ra or the coolness of a reach when it comes to personality.
I hardly "trashed" Mind, you're overreacting quite a bit. Calling someone a smart competent textbook player is hardly "trashing" them.
On February 02 2008 22:35 Jayson X wrote: You say you wan't more pvz, pvp and pvz. Watch proleague. 44 ZvZ 69 PvP 78 ZvP. Yeah rare as fuck. One month ago people bitched about how there where to many mirror matches.
Obviously you get a crapload of mirrors in Proleague, because of the maps. I'm not that interested in PL though, it doesnt have the interest of a major league, although I do watch some, if I hear of a good game.
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Muthafuckin-bitchin NaDa. I love that guy !!!
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nice, let jaedong gives nada what he got in his T v Z. could jaedong secure the title for this season MSL? coz for sure jaedong is the number 1 seed right now with so many "superstar" gone already.
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you cant compare jaedong with mind... someone did that... you can't...
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shit, NaDa's playing his own teammate =/
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call this irony but Mind lost game 2 again 0_0 i bet u his gonna lose game 2 against Nada
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On February 03 2008 00:29 tKd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 21:35 trollbone wrote: lol at the path for Mind, do yo see similarity with the previous MSL
GOM TV S3 MSL --------- GOM TV S4 MSL
first Mind beat ManiaST (no-name) ------ first mind beat shine (no-name) second Mind beat Iloveoov (bonjwa) ------ second mind will beat NaDa (bonjwa) third Mind beat Savior (bonjwa) ------- third mind will beat jaedong (pseudo-bonjwa) fourth Mind beat Bisu --------- third mind will beat kal !!!!!
u eared it first !!!! haha after jaedong beat iris after what i thought was his loss into a macro mode, i doubt mind terribly. jaedong is UNSTOPPABLE
Jaedong won't even get to Mind. Flash for the upset.
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On February 02 2008 23:44 disciple wrote: Offtopic: why the hell bisu and july will play on blue storm again ?!?!?!?! this map sux, its auto-loss for Auir
Tell that to Much!!!! U NOOOB!
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Now is such a big dilemma for me, from one side the only terran player I really like is Flash, from the other side I am so sick of TvT games and prefer zerg or protoss to advance...
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On February 03 2008 06:15 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2008 23:44 disciple wrote: Offtopic: why the hell bisu and july will play on blue storm again ?!?!?!?! this map sux, its auto-loss for Auir Tell that to Much!!!! U NOOOB!
Or Kal and JangBi!
If JangBi can win on this map... anyone can!
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wtf is wrong with anytime...he plays excellent and than loses like this :'(
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Anytime played horrible, absolutely horrible. There is no way I'm going to cheer or give credit to Nada just yet.
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On February 03 2008 06:35 Spyder wrote: wtf is wrong with anytime...he plays excellent and than loses like this :'( Apparently in Korea, Fall ends after January.
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Nada owned him, just like he owned Nada in game 1..... Wasnt that short, but was ownage
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I'm very happy for nada.. hope he wins this season but dissapointed in anytime... wtf man wtf
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On February 02 2008 15:59 SuperJongMan wrote: I was so looking forward to Anytime vs Jaedong.
Ugh.. who did Anytime got drinking with yesterday? I have to kill that person. He was so obviously hung over. No. His fingers were cold. The monitors weren't set right. They didn't give him proper time to adjust his keyboard. WHAT THE HELLL.
I hope Nada gets crushed by Mind. -_-;; MALICE. T____________T
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On February 03 2008 01:57 FieryBalrog wrote: OK. Theres a reason for that. Theres also a reason just about every Starleague has the highest enrollment in Terrans and that Terrans have won about 50% of all Starleagues combined and why there are so many "by the book" terrans. Its because T is the easiest race to play at the progaming level. Not by much, true. Its the race that usually benefits the most from maps, its the race where the user can make the most mistakes and still stay in the game (anti-slippery slope), and finally its the race with historically the most even off-race matchup (TvP) (compare to ZvT where zergs struggled mightily for years and PvZ which... everyone knows about PvZ). On the other hand P is the hardest race to play on the pro level so you usually get the fewest protoss.
O rly? Do you know why of 39 wins (OSL and MSL togheter) 18 belong to terran? Because 3 terrans own 14 of these 18 titles. And we know damn well who these terrans are don't we? And this is important. Because 3 very unique players with 3 unique styles formed this race. Their constribution lead to a race that is so refined that one is able to compete on prolevel focusing mainly on his mechanics. Your "by the book" was written by these players. And two of these players had no significant flaw in all 3 matchups. That helped you know...
There are only two protoss players who hold more than one starleague win. One got them very early the other one managed his two wins last year. The rest of these 6 starleague wins for protoss belong to 6 different players.
If history told us one thing (and after last year we can definitly say that) than it's the fact that one race will adapt to anothers race evolution. And while protoss and zerg finaly managed to adapt to one of terrans icons, the next guy came along to push the terran race further. Will this happen with zerg or protoss now? Who knows.
Hmm Terran is so easy man. Not by much yeah. Oh no wait. Te-al-pee-de. If we combine proleague, osl and msl games togheter we get this TvZ 671 - 598 (52.87 %) = 1269 in total ZvP 407 - 377 (51.91 %) = 784 in total PvT 502 - 434 (53.63 %) = 936 in total
We could take out the proleague, but it's not much of a difference for the percentage. PvT would be nearly at 55% the rest is basicaly the same. What that tells me is that we have a very balanced progaming scene when it comes to matchups. Of course there are allways players who do (or did) exceptionaly good, but overall we have it quite nice.
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k...from today this MSL officialy SUCKS.
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TvZ 671 - 598 (52.87 %) = 1269 in total ZvP 407 - 377 (51.91 %) = 784 in total PvT 502 - 434 (53.63 %) = 936 in total
That is sick. I love the balance of this game
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that terran would be the easiest race is the most insane thing ive ever heard.
and you're saying it like it was some kind of fact, lol.
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On February 02 2008 15:40 ssj100 wrote: Nada should retire after he loses this game and is out of MSL. Seriously, just retire now before his overall win-loss ratio becomes like Boxer's.
Owned. Gooo NADA! I believed!
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Theres 5 players left I like. Too bad 4 of them is Terran The most important thing is Mind being beaten by NaDa. As long as that happens Im content. Kal and Jangbi losing comes in second line.
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Mind or Nada? whos gonna win? i say Mind 3-1 Mind is gonna lose game 2 for sure
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On February 03 2008 09:16 AnOth3rDAy wrote: that terran would be the easiest race is the most insane thing ive ever heard.
and you're saying it like it was some kind of fact, lol.
I'm not talking about the newbie or even foreigner level. At the Korean pro level, its the safest race to pick. Its very mechanics oriented, has well defined well understood matchups, and has in-built room for mistakes. Why do you think there are quite a few more T progamers entering just about every single starleague and continually dominating the top 30 Kespa (yet none of them are champions anymore, ironically). Do you think people trying to make a living and become winners are going to continually pick the hardest race to do reasonably well with?
At the same time, why do you think the foreign scene is dominated by Protoss? Its not random.
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Isn't Jangbi very well known for his PvT matchup?
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Hes known for going 14 nexus alot and messing up alot. He gets more powerful the longer the game lasts imo.
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On February 03 2008 10:28 FieryBalrog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2008 09:16 AnOth3rDAy wrote: that terran would be the easiest race is the most insane thing ive ever heard.
and you're saying it like it was some kind of fact, lol.
I'm not talking about the newbie or even foreigner level. At the Korean pro level, its the safest race to pick. Its very mechanics oriented, has well defined well understood matchups, and has in-built room for mistakes. Why do you think there are quite a few more T progamers entering just about every single starleague and continually dominating the top 30 Kespa (yet none of them are champions anymore, ironically). Do you think people trying to make a living and become winners are going to continually pick the hardest race to do reasonably well with? At the same time, why do you think the foreign scene is dominated by Protoss? Its not random.
I dont think terran has built in mistakes, if you get behind its very difficult to catch back up because terran harass is usually easy to stop if the player is ahead, where as speed shuttle and muta/lurk/swarm can bring people back in games.
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On February 03 2008 09:16 AnOth3rDAy wrote: that terran would be the easiest race is the most insane thing ive ever heard.
and you're saying it like it was some kind of fact, lol.
In the past, when the maps often were horribly unbalanced I would say Terran was the best race to choose, maybe not because they are the easiest, but because anti-terran maps weren't as bad for terran as anti-zerg maps were for zerg for example. I think the reason we saw Nada, Oov and Boxer dominate the scene for so long wasn't because terran was the easiest or best race, but because they never had any horrible map that screwed them over. Choose the worst terran maps in a star league and see how the best terrans do and then put the worst zerg maps (desert fox, paradoxxx etc) and see how the zerg players do. I can almost guarantee that the terran will do a lot better.
So what I want to say is that Terran is the race that is least affected by map-imbalances and therefore the smartest choice for the best players. At least I think it was like that before... Probably different now, I'm not sure.
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I think you all can stop this nonsens, Jayson X post summed it all up pretty good.
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I think this is Kal, Light, Upmagic or Jaedong's MSL, because even though Light screws up alot, I think he can take players the likes of Mind or Nada down. Look at his games vs Hwasin in EVER OSL or OOv and other well-known terrans back in the day. Kal is a recent rising player who's underestimated alot, Upmagic has a chance with his flair and Jaedong is playing really well lately. BTW I hate Nada and Mind with a passion, god do I hate those guys jesus we need OOv and the rest of SKT1 and perhaps CJ to get back in shape.
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On February 03 2008 08:45 Jayson X wrote: TvZ 671 - 598 (52.87 %) = 1269 in total ZvP 407 - 377 (51.91 %) = 784 in total PvT 502 - 434 (53.63 %) = 936 in total
Stats don't lie. The only reason terran has more players is because Boxer played terran.
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On February 03 2008 12:02 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2008 08:45 Jayson X wrote: TvZ 671 - 598 (52.87 %) = 1269 in total ZvP 407 - 377 (51.91 %) = 784 in total PvT 502 - 434 (53.63 %) = 936 in total
Stats don't lie. The only reason terran has more players is because Boxer played terran.
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Just wanted to state that semi-old guy was wrong on everything he said. Thats all.
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LEE YUN YEOL!
Man, Nada really owned/outplayed Anytime in 2 straight games and certainly redeemed himself from the first humiliating game!
This made my day =)
And a big ROFL to everyone in the thread predicting an easy win for Anytime haha
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On February 02 2008 15:56 Naib wrote: And I would say NaDa didn't win these 2 games, AnyTime lost them. Especially the 2nd.
How about Nada countered Anytimes builds perfectly
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Hey guys, My roomate and I are getting are feet wet with commentating. I'm going to go ahead and put up my first commentary. Its game on Loki with Mind and Shine. Let me know what you think, we'll be putting up some more shortly. http://www.youtube.com/LostWraithSC
Edit: It's being processed right now, so it might not be there right away.
-RedLine
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