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United States7488 Posts
Banner by KizZBGGomTV S4 Round of 32: Group C
10 January @ MBCGame [18:30]Game 1:Savior < Loki II > RubyGame 2:Anytime < Zodiac > KalWinners:< Katrina > Losers:< Katrina > Tiebreak:< Blue Storm >
Results:
+ Show Spoiler +Savior < Ruby
Anytime > Kal
Anytime > Ruby
Savior < Kal
Ruby < Kal
Anytime and Kal advance to the Round of 16
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Results and Standings Thread
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yay, two awesome groups in a row!! Savior is so going to 2-0 this group!!!!!!!!!!! (He better >:-( !)
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Savior and Anytime win the initial matches...
But Ruby will prevail with Savior to make it out! (Yes, I was crazy when I made this prediction)
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sAviOr!!!!!!!! then i don't really care who else wins, but maybe anytime for a little nostalgia, or Kal for a new protoss spectacle, i wanna see him on bigstages more 
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Savior this is your chance to win now! Bisu is out of your way and the only one standing your way is Mind! but i kinda want Mind to win his 2nd MSL again :D but if you win this your gonna be the first player ever to get the 4th MSL
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sAviOr plz don't lose like bisu 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
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sAviOr
Bisu is gone. Take this MSL. Restore your pride. Bring glory to the Swarm!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Honestly though I'd prefer Savior and Anytime to qualify
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On January 10 2008 12:48 Darkmole wrote:
Savior this is your chance to win now! Bisu is out of your way and the only one standing your way is Mind! but i kinda want Mind to win his 2nd MSL again :D but if you win this your gonna be the first player ever to get the 4th MSL
jaedong, mind is not an obstacle.
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Sav > Ruby
Anytime > Kal
ANytime > Savior
Kal > Ruby
Savior > Kal
EZ.
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My heart: Savior and Kal
My nuts: Savior and Anytime.
I went with my nuts.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Ruby > Savior
Kal > Anytime
Ruby > Kal
Savior > Anytime
Savior > Kal
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Ruby is going to KO this group.
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Savior > Ruby
Anytime > Kal
Savior > Anytime
Ruby > Kal
Ruby > Anytime
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I think some upsets are going to happen here
One of Savior/anytime will qualify, I dont think both can make it.
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Savior < Ruby
Anytime > Kal
Ruby < Anytime
Saviour > Kal
Ruby > Saviour
good bye saviour D;
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I love ruby!!!! but i want savior up
Savior > ruby
anytime > kal
savior > anytime whee savior in
ruby > kal
Ruby > anytime ruby in
We need more terrans wayyyy too much tosses and zergs these days.
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oops forgot to add..
FBH > Group C
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savior>ruby
anytime>kal
savior>anytime
kal>ruby
kal>anytime
savior and kal advance
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and you people who say savior's gonna be knocked off are crazy. even if he does lose his initial match, there's absolutely no fucking way he's gonna lose on blue storm.
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On January 10 2008 14:19 samachking wrote:
I think some upsets are going to happen here
One of Savior/anytime will qualify, I dont think both can make it.
Yeah, I was thinking the same, but I made predictions purely based on fanboyism @_@.
Somehow my gut tells me that since Bisu didn't make it, Savior's gonna end up screwing up and not making it as well during possibly the ONE time that his arch-nemesis is already eliminated, thereby losing a critical chance for another MSL.
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On January 10 2008 14:24 jaesung wrote:
oops forgot to add..
FBH > Group C
And also Saviors bloody diarrhea > Your entire life.
I guess Savior & Anytime
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I bet sAviOr and Ruby to advance.
I predict
Savior > Ruby
Kal > Anytime
Savior > Kal
Ruby > Anytime
Ruby > Kal
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sAviOr/Kal
Fanboyism/Momentum
I hate Kal for what he did to OversKy, though.
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Osaka27148 Posts
How can anyone go against Ruby. Look at that mischeivious little imp in the liquibet picture! Aint he just so cute?
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Shallow -
I love Savior
But for celebrating Bisu's elimination, I will cheer for Anytime and Kal just to smite you
DOWN WITH THE MAESTRO!
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On January 10 2008 15:01 Manifesto7 wrote:
How can anyone go against Ruby. Look at that mischeivious little imp in the liquibet picture! Aint he just so cute?
some people just love savior's irresistible penis.
time to let go.
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You dare speak of Savior losing in the RO 32? You guys are mad
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Kal/Ruby can throw in an upset it wouldn't be completely implausible, so this group is actually gonna be pretty entertaining to say the least.
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ruby > savior
anytime > kal
anytime > ruby
savior > kal
savior > ruby
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I will be happy with savior and anyone qualifying.
I want anytime back in the leagues.
I want to see Kal do something in individual leagues.
And ruby is up and coming as well.
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I'm thinking Savior and Kal, but I'd love to see Ruby advance.
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...... just kidding. i totally did not see katrina there.
but still. i highly doubt savior's gonna lose to ruby.
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Really now, Bisu's already gone, please Savior, don't leave us too.
I'm going with Savior/Kal on this one.
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ANYTIME PLEASE
ANYTIME PLEASE
ANYTIME PLEASE ONE TIME PLEASE
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I think maps will have their say here.
Both protoss will have a shot playing on Katrina, which severely benefits Protoss. Savior has a last saving grace with Blue Storm, but we all remember how it went last time he played on that map. My guess is that another crotchdance could send him in a murderous spree.
Anyway, here are my predictions:
Savior > Ruby
Anytime > Kal
Anytime > Savior
Kal > Ruby
Savior > Kal
Very conservative and stat based, I know. The only guess I might take is Kal beating Savior in teh last game. Frankly, I think Savior is in trouble right now, and now might not be the moment where he rebounds.
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United States1654 Posts
After watching Savior in his ODT group, I must say he has a huge chance of advancing- but then again, Savior has been really inconsistent lately, showing maybe one game of glory and then returning to his slumping play the next. This one is really up in the air for me.
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SaviOr / Anytime
anyone else advancing wouldn't be right
Personally I say
sAviOr > Ruby
Anytime > Kal
Anytime > sAviOr (could go either way)
Kal > Ruby
sAvior > Ruby
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This is a really really hard group to predict. I put Savior because its savior and Kal because of the maps (aka I didnt pick ruby because I think the maps work against him) and his win against stork imrpessed me. Any combination of players advancing wouldn't really suprise me though.
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On January 10 2008 15:42 omgbnetsux wrote:
I'm thinking Savior and Kal, but I'd love to see Ruby advance.
I picked savior and Kal as well. Good work Joe.
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On January 10 2008 14:22 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
We need more terrans wayyyy too much tosses and zergs these days.
Whaaat!?? You must be kidding!
In the race for the next MSL title there are 7 Zerg, 6 Tosses and whopping 15 Terrans!!
So, GTFU RuBy! Savior and Anytime to advance.
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Will I get banned for predicting sAviOr be eliminated by 0-2 today?
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You know...
Ruby looks like a little boy version of Han Chae Young.
So I really wish Anytime and Ruby would make it through.
Savior and Bisu should both exit together group stages like buddies.
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sAviOr: - 'Bring it on, bitch'
Random toss: - '.. Anytime'
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come on MA, show em how its done
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On January 10 2008 17:13 SeBASTa wrote:
Will I get banned for predicting sAviOr be eliminated by 0-2 today?
Of course. Perm ban with IP nuke 100%.
No, you won't
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Mmm lets see what tlpd says...
+ Show Spoiler [savior] +Savior
elo: 2168
vT: 66-45 (59.46%)
vP: 54-21 (72.00%)
vRuby: 1-1
vAnytime: 0-0
v Kal: 0-0
@Loki II
1-1 (1-0 vs T)
ZvT (overall) 3-3
@Katrina
2-5 (0-2 vs P)
ZvP (overall) 11-22
@Bluestorm
8-5 (4-1 vs p, 4-4 vs t)
ZvT (overall) 29-14
ZvP (overall) 24-14
+ Show Spoiler [Ruby] +Ruby
elo: 2042
vZ: 4-3 (57.14%)
vP: 2-2 (50.00%)
vSavior: 1-1
vAnytime: 0-0
vKal: 0-0]
@Loki II
0-0
TvZ (overall) 3-3
@Katrina
0-0
TvP (overall) 5-14
@Blue Storm
2-3 (1-1 vs Z, 1-0 vs P)
TvP (overall) 16-17
TvZ (overall) 14-29
+ Show Spoiler [Anytime] +Anytime
elo: 2195
vT: 43-38 (53.09%)
vZ: 34-28 (54.84%)
vP: 34-30 (53.13%)
vKal: 2-0
vSavior: 0-0
vRuby: 0-0
@Zodiac
1-0 (0-0 vp)
@Katrina
7-3 (5-0 vs z, 0-0 vs t)
PvZ (overall) 22-11
PvT (overall) 14-5
@Bluestorm
5-2 (3-0 vp, 1-1 vt, 1-1 vz)
PvT (overall) 17-16
PvZ (overall) 14-24
+ Show Spoiler [Kal] +Kal
elo: 2123
vT: 9-5 (64.29%)
vZ: 11-6 (64.71%)
vP: 8-10 (44.44%)
vAnytime: 0-2
vSavior: 0-0
vRuby: 0-0
@Zodiac
1-0 (0-0 vp)
@Katrina
3-2 (1-1 vz 1-0 vt)
PvZ (overall) 22-11
PvT (overall) 14-5
@Bluestorm
6-1 (2-1 vp 2-0 vt 2-0 vz)
PvZ (overall) 14-24
PvT (overall) 17-16
Hence, TLPD says:
Savior > Ruby
Anytime > Kal
Anytime > Savior
Kal > Ruby
Savior > Kal
With Savior vs Kal @ bluestorm being the closest game today
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I chose sAviOr and Anytime.
If upsets occur, I see Anytime and Ruby
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uh didnt savior already advance to 16 from group B?
edit: nevermind
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Ruby is on fire, he's gonna trainwreck this group.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
I LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PLAYERS AND AM HORRIBLY HORRIBLE TORN.
Anytime because he's Anytime
Savior because he's gangsta
Ruby because he's pretty
Kal because he's promising.
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On January 10 2008 13:26 Raithed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 12:48 Darkmole wrote:
Savior this is your chance to win now! Bisu is out of your way and the only one standing your way is Mind! but i kinda want Mind to win his 2nd MSL again :D but if you win this your gonna be the first player ever to get the 4th MSL jaedong, mind is not an obstacle.
Well Mind beat him (savior that is) in the last MSL so that's sort of a silly thing to say.
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Mind looked pretty bad the other day though. He's lucky to have made it out of his group. Maybe he's lost his touch already  .
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sAviOr played very well in the ODT group and i feel that the maestro is comming back from his "slump".
savior>ruby
anytime>kal
savior>anytime
ruby>kal
anytime>ruby
savior and anytime advance
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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Are you mocking me?
I happened to be very hurt when Han Chae Young married... -_-;;
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On January 10 2008 18:21 HonestTea wrote:
GAY FOR RUBY
He gonna school Savior.
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The streams are up. The streams are clean. We are blessed.
Now, is it just me or is Savior really looking more and more emo everytime we see him? Cut his hair on his right side somebody!
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I wonder if Quesadilla will show up again.
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I have a bad feeling
I feel Savior or anytime will get 0-2'd...
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Arrr, why does my gom player die with an error when I try to open the stream. GOOD GOLLY. No, I couldn't find the answer in those so-called guide threads T_T
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Burned Toast
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Why are Nal_Ra/Xellos missing from the msl intro ? Dont get it ! ><
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On January 10 2008 18:33 Burned Toast wrote:
Why are Nal_Ra/Xellos missing from the msl intro ? Dont get it ! ><
cuz the commerical screen dont fit 32 ppl?
yes. weird, i agree.
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On Loki, Savior at 7 and Ruby a 2.
9 pool by savior.
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3 hatchery mastery coming up!!!
lol, nub scv trapped himself between supply and academy
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Sigh. GOM not working for me again, so LR would be much appreciated, if anyone can. Thanks.
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On January 10 2008 18:37 The Storyteller wrote:
Sigh. GOM not working for me again, so LR would be much appreciated, if anyone can. Thanks.
Welcome to the club ;_;
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Ruby using the build that casy popularized when he won his starleague. 1 rax fast acad build into expo. Nice micro to take down a fire bat with 3 lings and then scout the terran main.
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Burned Toast
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lair + spire + evo for savior ... expo + 3 barracks for Ruby
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On January 10 2008 18:37 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:37 The Storyteller wrote:
Sigh. GOM not working for me again, so LR would be much appreciated, if anyone can. Thanks. Welcome to the club ;_;
"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
Groucho Marx
=(
But at least it's showing me that breast ad for Freez on air! That's quite funny.
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Ruby has expo up and2nd and 3rd rax building. Savior is morphing lair and has an evo chamber at his back nat. I think a spire just started behind the front nat.
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Ruby adds a quick ebay after starting cc and is now adding rax. Savior gets an early evo to respond to the fast ebay. Savior adding a very very early spire. He seems to be going for a +1 ground army + muta timing attack. After Rubys third rax he adds a fact and gets his nat gas, which saviors overlord sees.
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savior snaek a 4th base on bottom right corner. spire still morphing. getting a 2nd evo chamber.
ruby builds a starport.
6 mutas moved out
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Burned Toast
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3rd gaz morphing for savior...
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Burned Toast
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Its mutas time ! Ruby has a huge army... mutas retreat...
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Very interesting. Savior has a second evo down and a base in the far right corner. Guess hes definitely not going for a timing attack, but rather just light harass to try to keep Ruby in his base. Its not working however as Ruby moves out right away towards the far right base. Savior trying to add sunkens and stallingwith mutas.
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Burned Toast
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Mutas are trying to protect the 3rd expo while sunkening...
and suceed !
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Huge mistake by ruby as Saviors sunkens are up in time and with nice muta micro he stops the first marine force with only minor loses!
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Nice defense by savior there and a gutsy move by Ruby, that did reduce the muta count.
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Burned Toast
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Putting down a 4th gaz... Gosh Savior is so gaz hungry ...
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HIve started as the mutas return to annoy the terran base. Ground armor is done. A 4th and 5th rax down for Ruby. He also has a vessel out and is very safe vs mutas. Ultra den almost done already! Savior looking so strong. If he scourges well he can take this easy. 2 port vessel with no fact addon. SK Terran for ruby.
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51446 Posts
mensol strat the proper way
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6th rax almost down. A nydus is up and connected to the far right base. Ruby needs to move out soon or he will be very behind. Savior taking the top left. Ruby moving out!
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Burned Toast
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Those mutas are flying around not doing any real damage but keeping ruby out from the GAz mania going on for Savior
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Burned Toast
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5 vessel for Ruby. Savior needs to be careful with this attack. OUCH! 5 scourge go down as the vessels avoid death.
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On January 10 2008 18:45 GTR-2-Go wrote:
mensol strat the proper way
His nick is zero, not mensol. U nup
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Oh, great... Finally got GOM to work... kind of.
Wow, the reports were not misleading. Savior has a really nasty army... but Ruby's vessels are making quite a difference.
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wow, savior going for fast five again...
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Burned Toast
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... you irradiate my world is singing Micheal Jackson
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2 dropship heading to saviors expo
unload safely too..
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Ultra sploding in unison!
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Burned Toast
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Savior just lose his defiler mount from 2 drops of MnM
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Drop by ruby right on his defiler mound and evo chambers! gets the mound down!
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saviors teching is fast..
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Massive m&m army at savior's nat.
All ultralisks die. I think savior will gg soon.
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A flurry of irridiates cover the ultras. Savior was definitely hurt by that. Dropship moving out. Defilier mound down. Amazing micro! Ruby targets saviors scourge to keep his vessels alive despite the ultras absorbing fire. A nic drop comes into saviors rear nat. But a swarm and lings save. Defilier is covered in green radiation. Wow ruby doing suprising ly well. moving in trying to breakthe sunks at saviours nat. Savior in trouble! Ultras helpless aginast the huge terran ball.
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Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./
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Burned Toast
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how the hell Ma Jae Yoon can have such a low unit count ?
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Serious push by Ruby with Defensive matrix! Gets through the natural of Savior. Wow.
Savior GGS.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
fuck you savior why you lose -_-
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Burned Toast
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Really painful game for savior. Mnm crushing the zerg main. This is over folks. Savior GGS after a very poor preformance.
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gg from savior after nat and main were leveled.
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Oh bloody hell... I got GOM to work for that?
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China3334 Posts
Go Ruby Go!
edit: hope i can watch this on youtube tonight after work! sounds pretty sweet game by Ruby
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Burned Toast
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Good Job Ma Jae Yoon, so you wont have to face Anytime ! : )
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On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./
He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire.
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man...fast hive with low unit count.
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Nice game from Ruby.
Predictions for the next games:
Anytime > Kal
Anytime > Ruby
Savior > Kal
Ruby > Savior
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fuck you Bisu!! and your little friend.
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Burned Toast
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Anytime's fanbase is so imba
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Honestly savior completely choked at the exact time when he needed to control perfectly. He lost his scourge, then tried to engage without scourge and got all his ultras irradiated without being able to press his advantage. From there it was all downhill. He really needed to keep those scourge alive and then just go ahead and engage and take down the vessels.
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its kinda funny
losing the defiler mound was essentially the game changing moment
if savior had kept that, he would have been able to defend everything just fine haha
but, he lost that so GG hahahahaha
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Burned Toast
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On January 10 2008 18:51 SnowFantasy wrote:
Nice game from Ruby.
Predictions for the next games:
Anytime > Kal
Anytime > Ruby
Savior > Kal
Ruby > Savior
Switch the last one for the show and it's perfect.
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On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./ He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire.
My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/
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Well if Bisu got 0-2'd
Savior better get 0-2'd too, let them fight in the OSL
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i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers?
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On January 10 2008 18:50 The Storyteller wrote:
Oh bloody hell... I got GOM to work for that?
lol! Hope savior doesn't kick both P out of RO16 after this lose!!!
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On January 10 2008 18:52 Day[9] wrote:
its kinda funny
losing the defiler mound was essentially the game changing moment
if savior had kept that, he would have been able to defend everything just fine haha
but, he lost that so GG hahahahaha
True but only taking down 1 vessel with about 14 scourge is pretty =/
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No, the best part was when his 4 first ultras were already slightly weakened and then were irradiated, and then instead of killing a few marines with them he pulled them back to watch them die with 0 kills each.
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On January 10 2008 18:52 Day[9] wrote:
losing the defiler mound was essentially the game changing moment
if savior had kept that, he would have been able to defend everything just fine haha
I'm surprised he didn't get a couple of scourge to patrol the area, or post overlords to keep a lookout.
The worst was when he dark swarmed it and it still died. Sigh.
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Wow, savior just looked so ineffective and got raped. Ruby didnt have to do anything cute either.
Nice vessal control, how many did he have at the end?
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On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers?
No or I wouldve mentioned them. It was a muta harass into fast ultra with quick ups build.
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i\'m reading alot of people criticize a bunch of other elements of savior\'s play
although losing scourge or having low unit count \"isn\'t very good,\" it didn\'t really have the most critical impact on the game. doing the fast ultralisk tech style savior is doing is a momentum play. you look really dangerously weak in the early game, but then you stabilize up, and you are good to go (w/ 5 gas yaaay).
however, since savior lost a handful of units in the midgame (again totally ok) he needed that defiler mound to stay alive.
sadly, it didn\'t stay alive. so, ruby was allowed to just walk up to savior\'s front and smash his face in half. simple game, but still very nice play by ruby from start to finish. excellent turret placement if i might add
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On January 10 2008 18:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./ He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire. My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/
Because all his larvae were making lings and ultras and it still wasn't enough to kill the mm? The vessels didn't matter at that point.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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either way, all that really matters is that anytime wins
<333 anytime!!
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no hydra mount at all. Just mutas -> ultra
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Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.
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On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers?
I don't think he had an hydra den even.
He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over.
A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast.
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The game sounded like this...
sAviOr defends his fourth gas then Ruby drops and kills defiler mound. sAviOr dies
Is that all that happened?
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On January 10 2008 18:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.
hehehe he kinda fucked himself over w/ his building placement too
those MnM were perfectly hidden back there ioi
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I get this super bad feeling ill get 1/4 today =.=....
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On January 10 2008 18:54 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./ He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire. My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/ Because all his larvae were making lings and ultras and it still wasn't enough to kill the mm? The vessels didn't matter at that point.
Well savior still had some defiliers left over from before his mound went down. He couldve protected them at least long enough to get a swarm or 2 out in front of his nat if he had some scourge. But thats just theorycrafting
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United States1654 Posts
On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast.
The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks.
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On January 10 2008 18:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad.
he had a sunk there, he didn't aticipate 2 drops though
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On January 10 2008 18:54 Day[9] wrote:
i\'m reading alot of people criticize a bunch of other elements of savior\'s play
although losing scourge or having low unit count \"isn\'t very good,\" it didn\'t really have the most critical impact on the game. doing the fast ultralisk tech style savior is doing is a momentum play. you look really dangerously weak in the early game, but then you stabilize up, and you are good to go (w/ 5 gas yaaay).
however, since savior lost a handful of units in the midgame (again totally ok) he needed that defiler mound to stay alive.
sadly, it didn\'t stay alive. so, ruby was allowed to just walk up to savior\'s front and smash his face in half. simple game, but still very nice play by ruby from start to finish. excellent turret placement if i might add
cause of that was ruby had army in front of saviour's nat. really couldn't pay attention to other things(dropship) since saviour doesnt know when he gonna just rush in.
after dropship owned his tech builing, ruby just rushed in.
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Anytime v Kal is starting soon!
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yeah, savior teched too fast. the strat he used needed the defiler the most. without is is like fighting a brick wall.
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On January 10 2008 18:56 kNyTTyM wrote:
The game sounded like this...
sAviOr defends his fourth gas then Ruby drops and kills defiler mound. sAviOr dies
Is that all that happened?
savior went fast muta --> ultra tech (very standard)
ruby goes fast expo --> 7rax 2port vessel (very standard)
savior is looking good w/ 5gas (6th morphing) but is low on units. savior is not worried because he has defilers!
ruby makes a big drop on savior's back expo, killing 2 evos and defiler mound.
ruby knows there are no swarms to worry about, and attack moves savior's front.
?????
profit
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On January 10 2008 18:56 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ya not anticipating at least 1 drop when you know your opponent has 2 ports is pretty bad. hehehe he kinda fucked himself over w/ his building placement too those MnM were perfectly hidden back there ioi
lol yea. Might as well painted a big target with huge flashing arrow and a sign that says "DROP HERE TO OWN ME"
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The purpose of the build is to get raped by SKTerran.
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On January 10 2008 18:58 jaesung wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:54 Day[9] wrote:
i\'m reading alot of people criticize a bunch of other elements of savior\'s play
although losing scourge or having low unit count \"isn\'t very good,\" it didn\'t really have the most critical impact on the game. doing the fast ultralisk tech style savior is doing is a momentum play. you look really dangerously weak in the early game, but then you stabilize up, and you are good to go (w/ 5 gas yaaay).
however, since savior lost a handful of units in the midgame (again totally ok) he needed that defiler mound to stay alive.
sadly, it didn\'t stay alive. so, ruby was allowed to just walk up to savior\'s front and smash his face in half. simple game, but still very nice play by ruby from start to finish. excellent turret placement if i might add cause of that was ruby had army in front of saviour's nat. really couldn't pay attention to other things(dropship) since saviour doesnt know when he gonna just rush in. after dropship owned his tech builing, ruby just rushed in.
yeah that's exactly what i'm saying.
the front bustin couldn't have happened w/o the defiler mound being dead. pobre savior hahaha. he must be feeling so much pressure these days
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On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast. The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks.
Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion.
I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game.
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On January 10 2008 18:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:54 LonelyMargarita wrote:On January 10 2008 18:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./ He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire. My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/ Because all his larvae were making lings and ultras and it still wasn't enough to kill the mm? The vessels didn't matter at that point. Well savior still had some defiliers left over from before his mound went down. He couldve protected them at least long enough to get a swarm or 2 out in front of his nat if he had some scourge. But thats just theorycrafting
No he couldn't. They were at his back expo and irradiated before they even got back to his main. He tried to get a swarm at his outer expo but the last defiler died a second too soon.
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drop have 12 marines and 2 medics, evo was getting armor and defiler mount wasnt doing anything.
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wish savior could use the mutalisks more effectively like Jaedong. remembered how Jaedong used mutaliasks to halt Hwasin very much in the game at Tau Cross. that was amazing...if savior could do that.
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On January 10 2008 19:01 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 18:54 LonelyMargarita wrote:On January 10 2008 18:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 18:51 LonelyMargarita wrote:On January 10 2008 18:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Savior lost his spire to that drop, hes helpless vs vessel right now=./ He lost 2 evos and a defiler mound, not his spire. My bad...in that case..why no more scourge savior?=/ Because all his larvae were making lings and ultras and it still wasn't enough to kill the mm? The vessels didn't matter at that point. Well savior still had some defiliers left over from before his mound went down. He couldve protected them at least long enough to get a swarm or 2 out in front of his nat if he had some scourge. But thats just theorycrafting No he couldn't. They were at his back expo and irradiated before they even got back to his main. He tried to get a swarm at his outer expo but the last defiler died a second too soon.
I agree
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wow 2-0, 100%
gtfo, gay STX teammate
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anch, why are you calling every zerg building a "mount" ?
It's Hydralisk DEN and Defiler MOUND. D'uh.
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On January 10 2008 19:00 BlackSphinx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast. The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks. Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion. I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game.
Sorry but your opinion us wrong. The harass was not designed to do any damage. Simply it was allow him to get the 4th gas he needed for his ultra/defilier build. Lurkers would have been a HORRIBLE idea. Ruby was going Sk with really quick upgrades. Saviors build was actually really good. It was just poorly executed.
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its not poorly excuted, ruby owned him.
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On January 10 2008 19:03 kNyTTyM wrote:
wat is a goojila?
korean for godzilla
구지라 I think.
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On January 10 2008 19:04 jaesung wrote:
its not poorly excuted, ruby owned him.
It definitely was poorly executed, and therefore ruby owned him...
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fuck, fuckign WoW.
i typed fast cuz hydra den response was way behind.
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BlackSphinx
there was very little wrong w/ savior's play that game. muta-->ultra is very standard. savior played completely fine against ruby's opening. savior likes to expand alot and have thin defenses until his momentum can kick in. That is, savior relies heavily on defilers to defend himself and key times. That "key time" was when ruby had 3 bases and the large MnM army at his front and the 2 dships. Savior simply needed to toss some scourge at his back and not lose his defiler mound. had savior kept his defiler mound, he would have been able to fend the front push and then would have had 5 secure gas (6th finished, but not very secure) to pump out very upgraded ultra+ling+defiler.
now THAT would have been scary.
if savior had just kept that mound up, ruby probably would have had some good macro, and eventually lost and everyone would have gone "yup! that's savior"
but, again, who cares.
goooo anytime!!!!
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i dont see any possible way why it was poorly excuted, when saviour stayed in base for whole time?
ruby simply owned him
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someone update LB pls, I want to see how many trusted Ruby, not me anyway
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damm GOM TV
still not damm working!
gay piece of shit!!!!
live reports would be <3
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On January 10 2008 19:07 jaesung wrote:
i dont see any possible way why it was poorly excuted because my StarCraft knowledge is not good enough.
Fixed.
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On January 10 2008 19:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:00 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast. The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks. Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion. I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game. Sorry but your opinion us wrong. The harass was not designed to do any damage. Simply it was allow him to get the 4th gas he needed for his ultra/defilier build. Lurkers would have been a HORRIBLE idea. Ruby was going Sk with really quick upgrades. Saviors build was actually really good. It was just poorly executed.
if thats the case, if Savior's mutaslisks did more damage to scvs and marines, the game would have turned the other way? like delaying the push?
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On January 10 2008 19:07 jaesung wrote:
i dont see any possible way why it was poorly excuted, when saviour stayed in base for whole time?
ruby simply owned him
Read day's post.
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no one care to cast or we too busying reading Savior vs Ruby?
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Anytime white 9, Kal red 12
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On January 10 2008 19:11 Oystein wrote:
whos who?
anytime white
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Zodiac
Anytime @ 9, Kal @ 12.
Both are going reavers and have their expansions up. Kal attacked earlier, but Anytime won the engagement at his nat due to Kal not focus firing, w/ Anytime ending with 4-5 goons and Kal retreating his 3 weakened ones.
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check teams in the up thingy
kal is red
anytime white?
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im pretty sure saviour would had all those thing if he's economy or time to do so, simply couldnt. why blame on saviour's gameplay?
anyways, if saviour made mistakes like what yall said, its done. ruby simply owned him.
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On January 10 2008 19:08 soccercop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 19:00 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast. The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks. Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion. I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game. Sorry but your opinion us wrong. The harass was not designed to do any damage. Simply it was allow him to get the 4th gas he needed for his ultra/defilier build. Lurkers would have been a HORRIBLE idea. Ruby was going Sk with really quick upgrades. Saviors build was actually really good. It was just poorly executed. if thats the case, if Savior's mutaslisks did more damage to scvs and marines, the game would have turned the other way? like delaying the push?
No. Saviors build this game did not focus on mutas, the mutas were simply to allow savior to take a 4th gas and transition to Ultras.
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On January 10 2008 19:13 jaesung wrote:
im pretty sure saviour would had all those thing if he's economy or time to do so, simply couldnt. why blame on saviour's gameplay?
anyways, if saviour made mistakes like what yall said, its done. ruby simply owned him.
You're really irritating.
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Kal's nat destoryed,
dt's standing by,
wait, they are dead.
anytime still reinforce goons
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Archives started for Kal, and Anytime with noticeably larger army.
Anytime charges Kal's nat! Probes to defend and both lose their reavers. Kal left with 1 goon and Anytime blasts away at Kal's nat nexus, which is destroyed. Anytime in control now with Kal stuck in his base w/ few units.
Kal had a reaver and dts out, but Anytime manages to snipe the reaver and had well positioned obs, and maintains his control of Kal's ramp.
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On January 10 2008 19:12 smoke2k wrote:check teams in the up thingy kal is red anytime white?
ah thx, just read the first one and that was all korean, didnt see the STX on red
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GG well pld by the winner :D
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On January 10 2008 19:08 soccercop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 19:00 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast. The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks. Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion. I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game. Sorry but your opinion us wrong. The harass was not designed to do any damage. Simply it was allow him to get the 4th gas he needed for his ultra/defilier build. Lurkers would have been a HORRIBLE idea. Ruby was going Sk with really quick upgrades. Saviors build was actually really good. It was just poorly executed. if thats the case, if Savior's mutaslisks did more damage to scvs and marines, the game would have turned the other way? like delaying the push? Yes the game would have turned in saviors favour, but the way it ended both sides were still pretty much equal. If they had done more, then savior would have gotten an advantage depending on the extent of the damage.
The deciding factor of the game was not saviors muta control, it was the loss of the defiler mound (as pointed out by Day very well in his post)
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um, big battle both lost their reavers.
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Kal attempts to harass w/ 2 dt and shuttle, but cannon and obs stop it as Anytime uses his reaver to crack Kal's ramp defense of a few goons. As Anytime finishes off the last goons, Kal ggs.
Anytime versus Ruby for winner bracket!
So far:
Ruby > sAviOr
Anytime > Kal
Winners:
Anytime vs Ruby
Losers:
Kal vs sAviOr
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WoW really nice game by Anytime, his forces just steamrolled Kal like nothing even though both side lost their reavers.
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I'm going to go 0/4 at this rate. -.-
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On January 10 2008 19:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:08 soccercop wrote:On January 10 2008 19:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 10 2008 19:00 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:57 SigrUn wrote:On January 10 2008 18:56 BlackSphinx wrote:On January 10 2008 18:53 soccercop wrote:
i couldnt see the game live.....didnt he have any lurkers? I don't think he had an hydra den even. He really teched very fast, did NOTHING with his mutas except defend an expansion (but losing 5 mutas in the process to about 12 marines, 2 firebats and 4 medics). Then he lost his Defiler Mound, and bad scourge use and Ultralisk use caused him to lose a lot of lisks quickly to irradiate. Ruby then proceeded to roll over. A few lurkers would ahve been a good idea. I think Savior teched too fast. The purpose of the build is to skip Lurkers and use that gas for Ultralisks. Well, I think that in that situation where his harass was totally useless, he shouldn,t have continued on with that. But that's my opinion. I know about the muta harass => Ultra build. However, if you can't kill a single SCV, try to stay alive before thinking about Ultras. That's where i think Savior made his mistake, in not adapting to Ruby's play and the flow of the game. Sorry but your opinion us wrong. The harass was not designed to do any damage. Simply it was allow him to get the 4th gas he needed for his ultra/defilier build. Lurkers would have been a HORRIBLE idea. Ruby was going Sk with really quick upgrades. Saviors build was actually really good. It was just poorly executed. if thats the case, if Savior's mutaslisks did more damage to scvs and marines, the game would have turned the other way? like delaying the push? No. Saviors build this game did not focus on mutas, the mutas were simply to allow savior to take a 4th gas and transition to Ultras.
i see. it would be great if they allowed the replay to be released so we can see savior's money supply and see if he had money to do something else and change the outcome. But they wont release the replay.
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damn i wanted to see sAviOr vs Anytime and I don't want Anytime to lose.
Well Kal vs sAviOr is till pretty good
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SWEET 0/2
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yaaaay anytime!
i'm seriously just going to stay awake until anytime qualifies
if he does not qualify i'm going to walk off a building
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I didnt see the savior vs ruby game, but did the defiler mound just hatched, then got destroyed, or was it hatched for quite some time ?
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On January 10 2008 19:18 Day[9] wrote:
yaaaay anytime!
i'm seriously just going to stay awake until anytime qualifies
if he does not qualify i'm going to walk off a building
haha. well i dont usually stay until the qualifiers are over but tonite im staying untill all Saviors games.
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i see. it would be great if they allowed the replay to be released so we can see savior's money supply and see if he had money to do something else and change the outcome. But they wont release the replay. [/QUOTE]
They showed some replay after. sAviOr had like 1600-1800 minerals when his first 4 ultras died.
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On January 10 2008 19:19 dragoonkf wrote:
I didnt see the savior vs ruby game, but did the defiler mound just hatched, then got destroyed, or was it hatched for quite some time ?
it was out there for a while, he made 2-3 defilers with it before it died.
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lol 0-2
but its ok ruby and anytime are good
ruby beat savior twice (an in blue storm) !! and stork OMG.....
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why are ppl voting Kal over anytime? is Anytime not a obvious choice?
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On January 10 2008 19:18 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:SWEET 0/2
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nice, anytime raped that cheesy faggot. Now only savior has to do the same.
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Yay
0/2
Savior may not make it....
Anytime needs to make it, we need a decent P in the MSL
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On January 10 2008 19:20 Instigata wrote:
i see. it would be great if they allowed the replay to be released so we can see savior's money supply and see if he had money to do something else and change the outcome. But they wont release the replay. [/QUOTE]
They showed some replay after. sAviOr had like 1600-1800 minerals when his first 4 ultras died.[/QUOTE]
guess he could have built 3 more sunkens. but i think he needs the money for ultras. well the drop was too damaging. savior should have anticipated that drop from his experience in starcraft. the loss of the defiler mound was like the lost of the war
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On January 10 2008 19:21 anch wrote:
why are ppl voting Kal over anytime? is Anytime not a obvious choice?
I was wondering the same thing :/
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On January 10 2008 19:23 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:21 anch wrote:
why are ppl voting Kal over anytime? is Anytime not a obvious choice? I was wondering the same thing :/ yano
misclicks
>.>
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On January 10 2008 19:23 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:21 anch wrote:
why are ppl voting Kal over anytime? is Anytime not a obvious choice? I was wondering the same thing :/
Kal just beat the 2 best PvP'rs in the world Much and Stork in a row
Thats why most people went for kal, myself included
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Maybe savior won\'t be bored to tears the rest of this series..
Nah.
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On January 10 2008 19:23 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:21 anch wrote:
why are ppl voting Kal over anytime? is Anytime not a obvious choice? I was wondering the same thing :/
I guess they are thinking he is going to start falling since it is winter and his strength rarely lasts this long
edit: omg wtf I hav 1385 posts!? when the hell did I pass 1337 wtf?
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On January 10 2008 19:24 samachking wrote:
Kal just beat the 2 best PvP'rs in the world Much and Stork in a row
Thats why most people went for kal, myself included
oh, so he did (after checking TLPD),
but Anytime is experienced.
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now hoping Anytime win, so savior gets revenge (after winning Kal).
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i have so low post count. i have been using teamliquid for 1 and a half years now. if i had been posting instead of just reading, i reckon i would have more than 1000 posts
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TLPD says;
Anytime > Ruby
Kal > Savior
Kal > Ruby
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Kal has played well in pvp recently, including beating stork in impressive fashion.
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On January 10 2008 19:30 anch wrote:
now hoping Anytime win, so savior gets revenge (after winning Kal).
If he can... He's busy preparing for the playoffs on Saturday and his ZvT right now is terrible. Ruby has had all the time in the world to practice.
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soccercop, savior could not have "done something else", he was already commited to his build. He didnt have time. Ruby had perfect timing that game. He moved out right when he needed to against the ultras.
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Hehe ruby vs anytime about to start soon
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On January 10 2008 19:30 anch wrote:
now hoping Anytime win, so savior gets revenge (after winning Kal).
yeah, i second that.
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On January 10 2008 19:34 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:30 anch wrote:
now hoping Anytime win, so savior gets revenge (after winning Kal). If he can... He's busy preparing for the playoffs on Saturday and his ZvT right now is terrible. Ruby has had all the time in the world to practice.
I thought focusing on leagues would make sense, cuz playoff is a team thing.(imo) Also considering savior is consistent in leagues.
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On January 10 2008 19:34 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
soccercop, savior could not have "done something else", he was already commited to his build. He didnt have time. Ruby had perfect timing that game. He moved out right when he needed to against the ultras.
yeah i understand what you mean. he was in committed situation. Hope savior wins the next one.
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damm gom, still wont work!!!
argh
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anytime white 9
ruby yellow 12
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ugh, i guess i will post some epic screenshots until someone find them annoying.
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and as i've been saying, ruby is the new mind. he's going to come out of nowhere (offline qualifiers) and win this MSL.
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if anytime wins, savior will likely to face ruby again.. great if savior can pound him..
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keep it up with the reports plz
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Ruby is terrible. He'll be lucky to make it out of the Ro32.
And he's been around long enough to not have been out of nowhere anyways.
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Terrible? No. Will he win MSL? Extremely unlikely.
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On January 10 2008 19:42 pangshai wrote:
and as i've been saying, ruby is the new mind. he's going to come out of nowhere (offline qualifiers) and win this MSL.
i thought Ruby wasnt that good last season. i remember he lost to savior in the group stages and got knocked out. but he has improved alot in a short time.
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AT 3 gates with 2 goons standing,
ruby gets 2nd expo
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just ruby's expo getting walked by goons.
ruby has sieged tanks by main.
anyitme getting a stargate.
2nd gate + beacon.
Ruby builds 3 fac at once.
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On January 10 2008 19:40 Elsi wrote:
damm gom, still wont work!!!
argh
I can feel your pain ... same here
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On January 10 2008 19:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
ruby has balls
balls won't work against great scouting ;D
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lol is anytime going sair/reaver
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On January 10 2008 19:48 0z wrote:
lol is anytime going sair/reaver
No, that's ineffective against terran. It's probably scout/reaver =D
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ruby building 2 starports at once at top left.
anytime drops reaver, 8 kills
2nd starport canceled, build a sci facility instead
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anytime has been waiting for this
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Despite the nice move to take out the early double expo, anytime is going to need some amazing carrier micro to win this one I think.
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anytime 3 carriers, with +1
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Wow really good executed attack by Anytime
That 2-3 base carrier strat seems next to invincible on this map.
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On January 10 2008 19:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Despite the nice move to take out the early double expo, anytime is going to need some amazing carrier micro to win this one I think.
why would he need carrier micro? Anytime didnt lose much units for the whole game, he was building up his ground force while his carrier was harassing the 3rd base, the whole army all he needed was to attack move ruby and he won, which he did anyway =/
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um, even i missed wth happen. GOM worked when game finished.
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On January 10 2008 19:46 One Page Memory wrote:I can feel your pain ... same here
Actually I can't, but mine just started working :D Of course it then lags at the last big battle. Just hope I get to see sAviOr this time... winning!
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Is it just me thinking, or this "ruby owned him" is the next phase of "bisu build" spammage? ^^
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Ya 6 carriers and 2 more making with about 12 zeals and 12 goons runs over terran army. GG
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Anytime just walked over Ruby's tanks and gollies and took out Rubys 2nd multi... Ruby GG'ed right after
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why didnt he made wraith !!!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Whats the difference between the red and orange Gom Player buttons to get it to play?
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It's funny how well GOM player works when there are commercials... (maybe not streamed in the same way though)
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i think red is higher quality stream, not sure though
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On January 10 2008 19:58 Amnesty wrote:
Whats the difference between the red and orange Gom Player buttons to get it to play?
red = high quality, orange = low quality.
i recommend the orange button if ur not anywhere close to korea
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Burned Toast
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Amnesty: red is higher stream quality so choose it only if you're sure to handle it (slower)...
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anytime ............. GOOD JOB
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GOM crashed on me, but I managed to get it working again after relentless clicking on the orange button. Please don't let my effort go to waste, Savior...
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Why does Kal want a name like GooJila, at least Kal sounds cool, Goojila totally ........ just........ ?
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after seeing Savior losing to Free in the proleague, i have slight doubts of his ZvP matchup. but i hope Savior can take this one.
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crap T.T
ah well. mind doesn't win in second games either.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [savior] +Savior
elo: 2168
vP: 54-21 (72.00%)
v Kal: 0-0
@Katrina
2-5 (0-2 vs P)
ZvP (overall) 11-22
+ Show Spoiler [Kal] +Kal
elo: 2123
vZ: 11-6 (64.71%)
vSavior: 0-0
@Katrina
3-2 (1-1 vz 1-0 vt)
PvZ (overall) 22-11
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On January 10 2008 20:05 pangshai wrote:
crap T.T
ah well. mind doesn't win in second games either.
mind won mensol, then hogil ?
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i don't favour katrina for Zergs. its too big. Come on Savior, give 110% for this game.....it ur last chance...
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lol now savior takes Kal's front nat.
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On January 10 2008 20:05 soccercop wrote:
after seeing Savior losing to Free in the proleague, i have slight doubts of his ZvP matchup. but i hope Savior can take this one.
Free has always been very good in PvZ
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Burned Toast
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SAvior looking for a painful revenge...
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Thisis a contest to see who has the bigger balls!
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cannon rush succesful! very nice by cal, used 4-5 probes to stop the drones from taking down the cannons. Savior cancels hatch just before it finish
hmm now he seems to double expand.. just outside cals base??
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On January 10 2008 19:55 dragoonkf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 19:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Despite the nice move to take out the early double expo, anytime is going to need some amazing carrier micro to win this one I think. why would he need carrier micro? Anytime didnt lose much units for the whole game, he was building up his ground force while his carrier was harassing the 3rd base, the whole army all he needed was to attack move ruby and he won, which he did anyway =/
I posted that when Anytime was just getting his starports in and it was 2 p bases to 3 T bases
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Protoss @ 6, double nexus
Zerg @ 3, third hatch at protoss's expo
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savior almost suicides an overlord
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On January 10 2008 20:08 dragoonkf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:05 pangshai wrote:
crap T.T
ah well. mind doesn't win in second games either. mind won mensol, then hogil ?
mind won his second game.
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What's he building at the front nat? Is Savior faking mutas?
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1 sunken up
stargate up
4 mutas up
but kal already have 3 sairs defending
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i think he's faking hydra
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Kal heavily cannon both main and exp when seeing the spire
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Savior with mutas, Kal cannoning up everywhere
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Scouted by corsair in time and Kal is adding cannons everywhere. Savior had better do something fast.
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definitely a fake. Savior and his mind games.
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savior sacrifices mutas in attack, no econ, no overlords, just hydras
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gosu engage by savior, keeping ground forces low
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Savior trades overlords for zealots in his hydra attack
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Savior refuses to build spore colonies under any circumstances; I think I've seen him build a spore colony in 1 game, and in that game it was way too late.
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kal FP shows 7 sairs, hunting a lot of overlords
savior drops with 2 OL at cliff
later
morph into lurker but Kal got HT and stormed the eggs
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Savior's play in recent times make me scared. makes me like...."hope he doesn't do anything stupid and wins"
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Kal successfully defends, and moves out with mostly zeal army, looks over soon
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United States20661 Posts
savior and bisu getting both rolled 0-2??
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dont tell me the storms are going to kill savior
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forward hat getting pounded.
wtf gg'd
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man, savior whats going on?
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Savior tried really hard to lose this game. It seems he'll succed. I hope Kal gets pwned by Ruby btw in the tiebreaker.
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On January 10 2008 20:18 Last Romantic wrote:
savior and bisu getting both rolled 0-2?? \
What can i say ? They share this special bond =D
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Burned Toast
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GG... No Bisu, no reason to fight... Ma Jae Yoon is out.
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lol what.. .. savior and bisu getting 0-2ed in MSL i cant belivee this
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Savior wtf are you doing... You had better crush Chalrenge on Saturday to make up for this travesty.
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Savior types out and doesn't look too happy
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
lol savior sucks so badly
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He looked pressured before the match. Shoulders are heavy at the top.
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United States7488 Posts
Savior shouldn\'t have went to mutas so quickly, it kept him from being able to take advantage of an early lead.
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On January 10 2008 20:20 alffla wrote:
lol what.. .. savior and bisu getting 0-2ed in MSL i cant belivee this
i can't believe this too. what the heck
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hahaha. all the favourites are getting booted early. bisu gone. savior gone. who's next?
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sAviOr no confidence anymore.
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He's just playing like shit recently. He goes the exact wrong strat, picks the worst times to attack, leaves his overlords idle to die to sairs, spawns new overlords exactly where 8 +1 corsairs are sitting, doesn't pick off the sole obs when he goes lurks, doesn't cancel like 6 dying eggs morphing into lurks, etc, etc.
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LOL
This is amazing
Both savior and bisu getting 0-2'd from RO32
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Burned Toast
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Nal Ra must be smiling hidden in a high tower...
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On January 10 2008 20:20 Carnac wrote:
lol savior sucks so badly
Really can't believe savior lost to this Kal. This is.......nuts. its like the world has gone the opposite way.
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i thought everything was fine till he morphed to defenseless lurkers.
and sairs was doing a lot of collecting. damn neo toss build.
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wow.. that just made 1 of my prediction wrong, thought he was going to win this round.. failed even more LOL.
what kind of excuses do we have now saviour fanboys?
poorly excuted strategy again?
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-..- this is a WTF MSL =[[ many upsets.
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savior should stop hydra rushing except vs bisu and just play normal -_-
And i liked it when he lurks not just straight into ultras
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
holy shit tlpd =[
after the upset [by tlpd standards] of ruby > savior, its going pretty well
now for Kal > ruby to make my day worse
RUBY FIGHTING!
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well at least we are making way for a new dominant figure. It isn't something that I want to happen, but it is still inevitable.
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On January 10 2008 20:23 LibertyTerran wrote:
-..- this is a WTF MSL =[[ many upsets.
im like sitting here and wondering..."IS THIS REAL?". ...."IS THIS REAL"......savior just lost? how come????
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Lol, I am one of those 682
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Sigh. A 2 year wait for Xellos to come out of his slump. By the time Savior comes out of his, nobody will be playing Starcraft anymore.
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wow i'm actually 2/3 in liquibet.
wtf. my liquibet is retarded. anytime to win. ruby to win. then savior kal qualifying -_-
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why it's bad to see new faces? big names losing doesn't mean a wtf msl in my book, on the contrary it makes soooo much more interesting
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Summary:
Toss @ 6, zerg @ 3.
Savior exps to natural outside his main, kal then very nicely uses 5 probes and a cannon rush to force a cancel of the hatch. Savior responds by taking the 1 o'clock expansion and the expansion outside kals main(!).
Kal takes the 4 o'clock expansion and builds corsair from 2 SGs. Savior fakes hydra but kal sees this and builds a lot of cannons both at main and 3 expansion. Savior realises mutas are a waste and goes heavy on hydras, tries to break the main cannons, but is forced back by zeals,cannons and corsairs, losing his whole muta force in the process. Kal starts to build a ground army of mainly zeals.
Savior tries to break main with only hydras once more, but kal pushes back, barely saves his main but loosing a lot of zealots. In the meanwhile Kals 6-7 corsair kills a lot of overlords in Savior's main.
Savior applies more pressure by dropping 12 or so hydras in Kals main, causes some havoc but new forces from Kals Gateways rather easily clear his base again. Savior's attacks runs out of steam as his hydra count is low and he is hurting from all the overlords Kal has killed.
Savior does one last attempt to break the main of Kal, but now kal has a nicely mixed army with a lot of zeals backed up by 2-3 archons and a few goons. He easily kills the attacking force and then proceed to saviors expansion just outside his base...
Savior does a short last stand but realises he has no more forces and GG's.
Well that's about it... No more Savior in MSL
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On January 10 2008 20:25 pangshai wrote:
wow i'm actually 2/3 in liquibet.
wtf. my liquibet is retarded. anytime to win. ruby to win. then savior kal qualifying -_-
kal still have a chance for your 3/4
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On January 10 2008 20:21 pangshai wrote:
hahaha. all the favourites are getting booted early. bisu gone. savior gone. who's next?
Hwasin and FBH me wants
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But why is every 1 wondering savior losing to Kal suprising ? If i remember Kal's PvZ was quite good, maybe 4th or even 3rd behind free. savior made bad choices in attacking and using the muta, but i still believe this Msl will be promising with Mind around .
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On January 10 2008 20:25 The Storyteller wrote:
Sigh. A 2 year wait for Xellos to come out of his slump. By the time Savior comes out of his, nobody will be playing Starcraft anymore.
Savior needs some rest really. i think the team overplayed Savior or Savior over practised and is losing sleep....which means he lacks strength.
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On January 10 2008 20:27 One Page Memory wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:21 pangshai wrote:
hahaha. all the favourites are getting booted early. bisu gone. savior gone. who's next? Hwasin and FBH me wants
FBH must be cracking like fuck after seeing Savior eliminated.
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Judging by the way things are going
My Prediction
+ Show Spoiler +Ra will win this MSL by his recent records
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loooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllll
1/4 definitly
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sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's. Goddamnit! This is so sad I just can't believe it he's out way too soon. Or maybe not with the way he's been playing. It's just sad to see the Maestro go down like this. Guess he can hardly play his game anymore...
That intro looks "funnier" now with both Bisu and sAviOr out. Who's next as the say, Mind perhaps? Would be ugly to see that opening everytime with the first three out of the picture. Haha.
sAviOr may be slumping but Jaedong is stomping! Luckily I and all Zerg can still depend on that sick gosu gamer to take the title I think
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One word: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Im 1/4 today
My liquibet is fucked
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It would be better for my liquibet if Ruby wins
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Kal win for 3/4 :D
Anytime will take the MSL .. Weeeeeeeeee
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btw thanks for the screenshots anch.
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On January 10 2008 20:28 anch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:27 One Page Memory wrote:On January 10 2008 20:21 pangshai wrote:
hahaha. all the favourites are getting booted early. bisu gone. savior gone. who's next? Hwasin and FBH me wants FBH must be cracking like fuck after seeing Savior eliminated.
lol. fbh and his dances....
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screw this, i am going to sleep, either makes it is not my LB's business.
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On January 10 2008 20:28 soccercop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:25 The Storyteller wrote:
Sigh. A 2 year wait for Xellos to come out of his slump. By the time Savior comes out of his, nobody will be playing Starcraft anymore. Savior needs some rest really. i think the team overplayed Savior or Savior over practised and is losing sleep....which means he lacks strength.
Ya I think he should rest first and if that doesn't work, then perhaps do what Xellos and Much did.
o ya 2/4 tonight. Both votes I got tonight were from Anytime and bothed points lost from sAviOr.
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savior is easy according to fbh, i doubt he is happy.. probably not even watching. hes new toy is mind.
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Go, Ruby!
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On January 10 2008 20:26 Adamthegreat wrote:Summary: Toss @ 6, zerg @ 3. Savior exps to natural outside his main, kal then very nicely uses 5 probes and a cannon rush to force a cancel of the hatch. Savior responds by taking the 1 o'clock expansion and the expansion outside kals main(!). Kal takes the 4 o'clock expansion and builds corsair from 2 SGs. Savior fakes hydra but kal sees this and builds a lot of cannons both at main and 3 expansion. Savior realises mutas are a waste and goes heavy on hydras, tries to break the main cannons, but is forced back by zeals,cannons and corsairs, losing his whole muta force in the process. Kal starts to build a ground army of mainly zeals. Savior tries to break main with only hydras once more, but kal pushes back, barely saves his main but loosing a lot of zealots. In the meanwhile Kals 6-7 corsair kills a lot of overlords in Savior's main. Savior applies more pressure by dropping 12 or so hydras in Kals main, causes some havoc but new forces from Kals Gateways rather easily clear his base again. Savior's attacks runs out of steam as his hydra count is low and he is hurting from all the overlords Kal has killed. Savior does one last attempt to break the main of Kal, but now kal has a nicely mixed army with a lot of zeals backed up by 2-3 archons and a few goons. He easily kills the attacking force and then proceed to saviors expansion just outside his base... Savior does a short last stand but realises he has no more forces and GG's. Well that's about it... No more Savior in MSL
Great Report. Sums the game up. nicely written.
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game started on blue storm
ruby at 2
kal at 8
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Seems lots of people lost interest after saviors elim.. Stream is perfect now.
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2/3 and it will end 2/4 no matter what ehh
but IM STILL HAPPY ! DIE SAVIOR FANS ! xaxaxaxa xD
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On January 10 2008 20:30 3nickma wrote:sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's. Goddamnit! This is so sad I just can't believe it he's out way too soon. Or maybe not with the way he's been playing. It's just sad to see the Maestro go down like this. Guess he can hardly play his game anymore... That intro looks "funnier" now with both Bisu and sAviOr out. Who's next as the say, Mind perhaps? Would be ugly to see that opening everytime with the first three out of the picture. Haha. sAviOr may be slumping but Jaedong is stomping! Luckily I and all Zerg can still depend on that sick gosu gamer to take the title I think
So Sad when you say "sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's"
Reminds me of Russell Crowe in Cinderella Man
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both players standard so far. all buildings in main. oh kal gets a 2nd pylon before assimilator, so we'll be seeing so zealot play. ruby scouting after he starts his refinery. assimilator for kal now. i thought he might be going for 1 gate expo before gas, but i was wrong.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Fanboyless MSL YAY!!
(ie the annoying bisu/savior fanboys ;o)
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saviour & bisu = reach now.
good bye
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T_T why savior? why? same fate as bisu....
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On January 10 2008 20:33 Amnesty wrote:
Seems lots of people lost interest after saviors elim.. Stream is perfect now.
I lost interest when Savior lost. Im one of them. Hope Savior come back and owns just like what Russell Crowe did in Cinderella Man,
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kal's zealot is unable to do any damage as ruby has 3 marines by the time he gets there (along with a nice depot rax "wall" beside his CC. fac and machineshop done for ruby. kal going with 1 gate range, expo started. his zealot dies after killing 1 marine. machineshop researching something, probably FD build for ruby, CC started for him as well. robotics for kal.
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ruby pushing a bit with his marines/tanks, forces kal back a bit, then retreats his units. some mines going up at the blue area above the min only. kal's expo is up, he sneaks probe into ruby's main and he sees a 2nd fac coming. 2nd gate and robotics done for kal. shuttle out, robotics support, so we'll see some reaver drops. SCV gets into the main of kal and he'll see the robotics support as well.
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holy shit, kal with great reaver shuttle micro !!! kills off 2 gollies and a tank.
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wow that is some nice micro kal
edit: wtf. he loses his reaver and then someone ggs?
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LMAO. That was possibly the worst handling of reaver harass I've ever seen by a progamer.
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On January 10 2008 20:35 soccercop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:30 3nickma wrote:sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's. Goddamnit! This is so sad I just can't believe it he's out way too soon. Or maybe not with the way he's been playing. It's just sad to see the Maestro go down like this. Guess he can hardly play his game anymore... That intro looks "funnier" now with both Bisu and sAviOr out. Who's next as the say, Mind perhaps? Would be ugly to see that opening everytime with the first three out of the picture. Haha. sAviOr may be slumping but Jaedong is stomping! Luckily I and all Zerg can still depend on that sick gosu gamer to take the title I think So Sad when you say "sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's" Reminds me of Russell Crowe in Cinderella Man
Pardon me? Haven't see that movie, maybe you could enlighten me about your point plz?
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shuttle moving out toward ruby. probably 2 zealot and reaver. ruby has goliaths out already though, so he's probably safe. nice micro by kal takes out tank 2 gol losing only 1 zealot. not sure if the reaver got damaged at all. SCVs forced to maynard back to main. ruby started CC at min only (earlier than toss lol) but SCV is building the CC is dead. lol ruby's own mine kills 2 tanks and a gol. CC at min only is done. he gets 3 vult into kal's main and he sees 2 stargate carriers. still 2 fac only for ruby.
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i seriously dont know who to cheer for. Coz they both defeated sAviOr. May the best player win.
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Kal's micro was ok, but it was mainly ruby just playing like shit.
Thankfully I didn't go 0/4 though
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kal moves down with something like 8 goons, min only floats, and he just continues down to ruby's nat which is defended by just 2 tanks and a few gol. drops his reaver simultaneously, and takes out defending gols while losing his shuttle+reaver. goons clear up the tanks and ruby GGs.
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seems like pangshai was wrong, ruby aint the new mind =(
Kal has been playing so good recently.
Lets hope this MSL will still have the quality without savior/bisu/stork.
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Ya, so pangshai, you were saying?
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1/4
Atleast Bisu and Savior are out together
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On January 10 2008 20:42 3nickma wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:35 soccercop wrote:On January 10 2008 20:30 3nickma wrote:sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's. Goddamnit! This is so sad I just can't believe it he's out way too soon. Or maybe not with the way he's been playing. It's just sad to see the Maestro go down like this. Guess he can hardly play his game anymore... That intro looks "funnier" now with both Bisu and sAviOr out. Who's next as the say, Mind perhaps? Would be ugly to see that opening everytime with the first three out of the picture. Haha. sAviOr may be slumping but Jaedong is stomping! Luckily I and all Zerg can still depend on that sick gosu gamer to take the title I think So Sad when you say "sAviOr drops then a friggin lag fest with total freeze until he GG's" Reminds me of Russell Crowe in Cinderella Man Pardon me? Haven't see that movie, maybe you could enlighten me about your point plz?
Get a chance and watch it. Cinderella Man is based on a true story. Russell Crowe was deemed too old to fight and was rusty like heck. People wrote him off and looked down on him in the start. So Sad. Just like how i feel for Savior now. But Russell Crowe come back and brings America to its feet. Hope Savior came do the same.
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ty for the reports <3
cheers!!
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There are two good things with todays results:
1. Now that Savior, Bisu and Stork are only in OSL they will most likely concentrate harder to give use good games in that tournament...
2. Anytime seems to also be able to bring his A-game from proleague to the big leagues.. his play vs Kal was extremely solid and vs Ruby he wasn't a bit stressed by the fact that terran had his 2nd multi up before he did, he just got his carrier/ground army combo and crushed ruby.
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thank you for the reports as well. my first time to stay for the whole qualifications. Disappointed that sAviOr lost. But had great time spending in teamliquid.
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I'll miss ruby throwing up everytime he miss micros somtime
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sAviOr should need some counselling from some fellow teamliquid members. like to be advised to take more rest and stop bashing himself with over practising. I definitely think his over-practising took a toll on his body and mind. I bet his dreams has starcraft in them even when hs sleeps....just like me sometimes.
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so bye Savior
c u in offline quallifiers
EDIT: wow, I actually gained 3 LB places with 2/4
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On January 10 2008 20:50 Adamthegreat wrote:
There are two good things with todays results:
1. Now that Savior, Bisu and Stork are only in OSL they will most likely concentrate harder to give use good games in that tournament...
2. Anytime seems to also be able to bring his A-game from proleague to the big leagues.. his play vs Kal was extremely solid and vs Ruby he wasn't a bit stressed by the fact that terran had his 2nd multi up before he did, he just got his carrier/ground army combo and crushed ruby.
It would be great it i can see Savior inn both the leagues...like how he was in participating in Shinhan OSL 3 and GomTv Season 1. So we get to see him playing frequent. But he just couldn't do it this time. Now that sAviOr is out, i guess its can be less stressing for him. In a way, he doesn't get shoulder heavy.
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Savior... that was... so damn bad! :-(
ZvT, ZvP... against new bloods, are you serious?! at least Bisu lost to Jaedong :/
Now I'm pissed Ruby didn't make it, I hope Kal will play well in the next stages.
Both Bisu and sAviOr get 0-2, well thats just super! and Stork didn't even make it to Ro32 so... OSL is going to be nice in that aspect since they are all there.
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savior needs a ums where there is no hive... Playing risky with Bisu is ok but with Ruby? just make tons of lurks and kick the shit out Ruby, you dead-head! ...
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On January 10 2008 17:13 SeBASTa wrote:
Will I get banned for predicting sAviOr be eliminated by 0-2 today?
ban me please
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On January 10 2008 21:01 VioleTAK wrote:
Savior... that was... so damn bad! :-(
ZvT, ZvP... against new bloods, are you serious?! at least Bisu lost to Jaedong :/
Now I'm pissed Ruby didn't make it, I hope Kal will play well in the next stages.
Both Bisu and sAviOr get 0-2, well thats just super! and Stork didn't even make it to Ro32 so... OSL is going to be nice in that aspect since they are all there.
If it isn't for Jaedong, i would think this Msl is over already. I was rooting for savior. It's just sad to see the Maestro go down like this as 3nickma said. This Msl won't be as interesting as it should be to me to be honest.
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On January 10 2008 21:03 beyondie wrote:savior needs a ums where there is no hive... Playing risky with Bisu is ok but with Ruby? just make tons of lurks and kick the shit out Ruby, you dead-head! ...
sAviOr and his fast hive again. i agree that he should use another strat like lurkers and lurker and lurkers.
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Maybe sAviOr, Bisu and Stork will get the same offline quallifiers group next season :-P Where only one can make it. I can't believe they'll all have to take it! Thats either really hilarious or truly sad.
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On January 10 2008 21:09 VioleTAK wrote:
Maybe sAviOr, Bisu and Stork will get the same offline quallifiers group next season :-P Where only one can make it. I can't believe they'll all have to take it! Thats either really hilarious or truly sad.
haha. that would be really funny. crazy as it may seem as they will be playing each game like the MSL FINAL. Can be Sad too...like how the strong teams are grouped together in the Soccer World Cup and only 2 teams would advance when we want 3 teams to advance.
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this sucks... msl always was the less important of the 2 starleagues but now without all the top players it will feel almost meaningless :[
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Wow, that Liquibet Matchup portrays what i have in mind too. that was one major upset with sAviOr pulling the most votes. If i betted heavily, i would be groaning..
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man i was going to liquibet on Anytime and Kal, but it just felt so wrong to vote against sAviOr.. please man, don't turn into another Nada :/
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On January 10 2008 21:15 diehilde wrote:
this sucks... msl always was the less important of the 2 starleagues but now without all the top players it will feel almost meaningless :[
I agree too with your point. well, there is still Jaedong. i feel that MSL is interesting too coz i get to see nal_Ra play in a starleague. It isn't that far off compared to OSL in terms of entertainment quality to me.
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On January 10 2008 21:18 noobienoob wrote:
man i was going to liquibet on Anytime and Kal, but it just felt so wrong to vote against sAviOr.. please man, don't turn into another Nada :/
Becoming like nada is actually pretty good
Since Nada slumps and makes a comeback and wins something
Most players when they slump, they slump forever...
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i learnt that sAviOr should not underestimate the new players. just like how OOV should not have underestimated sAviOr when he sprung from no where and owned him 3 - 0.
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On January 10 2008 21:23 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 21:18 noobienoob wrote:
man i was going to liquibet on Anytime and Kal, but it just felt so wrong to vote against sAviOr.. please man, don't turn into another Nada :/ Becoming like nada is actually pretty good Since Nada slumps and makes a comeback and wins something Most players when they slump, they slump forever...
Nada is quite talented. he comes then he goes and then he comes back. he is the one who can adapt to the new styles of playing. that is why his is still around in OSL and MSL at the same time.
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On January 10 2008 21:23 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 21:18 noobienoob wrote:
man i was going to liquibet on Anytime and Kal, but it just felt so wrong to vote against sAviOr.. please man, don't turn into another Nada :/ Becoming like nada is actually pretty good Since Nada slumps and makes a comeback and wins something Most players when they slump, they slump forever... lol yeah, i meant how we all know Nada's insanely good, but for some reason just plays like shit, which really pisses me off -_-
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On January 10 2008 21:27 coulthard[pR] wrote:
This is Ra's MSL yeah
Ra is the man. he is like no other. The one who can smile even after he loses. i remember he played sAviOr in the Blizzcon 07. Even after he lost 2 - 0, he smiled. Those 2 games he played really won applause from me. Though Ra lost, he gave the crowd a good thrill.
And i remember when sAviOr did a one hatchery build to defeat Stork in game 3 in last seasons MSL. In the back room, Ra was like laughing his heart out when he was chatting with sAviOr after the game about the strategy he used. I was already laughing my heart out when i saw sAviOr's one hatchery build, but when i saw how Ra laughed about it, it made my laughter grew even bigger. LOL.
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this is anytime's msl. no one will stop him. he probably practices with jaedong a lot so he can potentially have just as strong a pvz by the end of msl.
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this is not a boring MSL so far we have very good player : sea, mind, jaedong, anytime
kal and july can make good games if they are not in a bad day
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Saviour getting "firebathero'd" is always amusing to watch... the guy hasnt been doing very well lately. : (
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Eh, shouldn't you be telling sAviOr/Bisu, 'See you at Survivor'???
Surely they don't drop immediately into the offline quals.
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I think I just lost interest in this MSL... I'm obviously forgetting a few other big names, but wtf no bisu and savior?!?! anyway, think I said this last season, but there's still the OSL, but if B and S keep playing like bs, that won't be worth watching either :|
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On January 10 2008 22:39 aeronexus wrote:
I think I just lost interest in this MSL... I'm obviously forgetting a few other big names, but wtf no bisu and savior?!?! anyway, think I said this last season, but there's still the OSL, but if B and S keep playing like bs, that won't be worth watching either :|
Bisu didn't play bad ( vs jd), jd just won somehow.
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Bisu had some nice moves vs Jaedong, I though he was gonna win till the end....
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Guys you gotta stop saying Bisu is slumping, he aint even slumping, he just got outplayed by a better player OR screwed up in micro (see yarnc vs bisu game). I gotta admire jaedong for actually even beating bisu UPRIGHT IN zvp. Whereas for savior, ppl can definitely argue he is actually slumping, he should start considering going back to team B with Iris like xellos/much did.
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*cries*
Just take a 1 month break from Starcraft, Maestro. Come back and own everyone.
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Yeaaaa Anytime is BACK!! GO ANYTIME <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
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On January 10 2008 21:34 soccercop wrote:Ra is the man. he is like no other. The one who can smile even after he loses. i remember he played sAviOr in the Blizzcon 07. Even after he lost 2 - 0, he smiled. Those 2 games he played really won applause from me. Though Ra lost, he gave the crowd a good thrill. And i remember when sAviOr did a one hatchery build to defeat Stork in game 3 in last seasons MSL. In the back room, Ra was like laughing his heart out when he was chatting with sAviOr after the game about the strategy he used. I was already laughing my heart out when i saw sAviOr's one hatchery build, but when i saw how Ra laughed about it, it made my laughter grew even bigger. LOL.
<3
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Stop saying MSL is meaningless with Bisu/sAviOr eliminated. Face it, they're both on a steady decline, shadows of their former selves. I wouldn't be surprised if they (or well, at least sAviOr) fail to even qualify next season. The guard has been changed, get with the times.
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
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This MSL sucks in my opinion, Stork, Bisu, and now Savior.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
FUCK. Savior
This MSL will clearly be Jaedong's or Up's (I hope :p)
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On January 11 2008 01:22 Mannerheim wrote:
Stop saying MSL is meaningless with Bisu/sAviOr eliminated. Face it, they're both on a steady decline, shadows of their former selves. I wouldn't be surprised if they (or well, at least sAviOr) fail to even qualify next season. The guard has been changed, get with the times.
I think that's a bit presumptuous to say the guard has changed already. Wait for them to go to the offlines, then I'll agree.
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wtf SAVIOR!!!  noooooooooooooooooooooooo
is this karma for making fun of bisu getting kicked???
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Savior
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On January 10 2008 20:21 soccercop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 20:20 alffla wrote:
lol what.. .. savior and bisu getting 0-2ed in MSL i cant belivee this i can't believe this too. what the heck
Just what I predicted. Jaedong should dominate, but who knows.
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So what if the MSL doesn't have Bisu and Savior.
I want a Anytime Jaedong finals.
If Kang Min shows promise, then ofc I have to pour my heart out to Kang Min too. He's just too great.
And GoRush. GL to the terrans too but hf on katrina guys... Ooooo man, I'm hoping by the round of 16, this MSL will look like a 2005 MSL. It very well could, minus Boxer and Midas
That would be a serious awesome for me. I won't be missing Savior or Bisu terribly much. Savior has been really on and off the last half year and I never liked Bisu.
And it seems the only real T win I've seen on Katrina is still Upmagic and Vulture dropping. I'm glad he's still around.
I think this MSL is gonna be awesome. But every MSL on paper looks so crazy T.T
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NOOOOO NO SAVIOR AND BISU T_T
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lol @ savior
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What
the
fuck
0/4
fuck this shit
fuck msl
sAviOr's gonna take OSL instead.
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i want bisu and savior to set up their own bo5 with some outside deal with kespa.
bigger than msl?
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Well, now, so far, 2 terrans, 2 zergs and 2 protoss in group A, B and C respectively made it through.
That'll give some quite varied gameplay, and that's good.
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United States1654 Posts
Damn Savior keeps losing to the new players.
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wth? first Bisu now sAviOr?
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On January 10 2008 14:38 fookyou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2008 14:19 samachking wrote:
I think some upsets are going to happen here
One of Savior/anytime will qualify, I dont think both can make it. Yeah, I was thinking the same, but I made predictions purely based on fanboyism @_@. Somehow my gut tells me that since Bisu didn't make it, Savior's gonna end up screwing up and not making it as well during possibly the ONE time that his arch-nemesis is already eliminated, thereby losing a critical chance for another MSL.
I hate myself now. Why did I have to say it.
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CA10828 Posts
lol savior
bw karma
during the selection ceremony he insulted fbh for not having enough skill to achieve a seeded position during GOMTV S3, and now he goes out 0-2 in the Ro32.
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51446 Posts
oh well, atleast fbh will get the same result as savior.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
awwwww ruby lost and so did savior
RUBY T_______T
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
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Well, at least Ruby > Savior.
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0/4 lol. Savior, what the fuck -_-
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can't wait to see this month's PR...
wtf savior T_T
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savior's out but july is in o.o. 2/4..i got raped but looks like some of u got raped worse
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I dont know why people are whining? Sure Bisu and savior is out but we still have:
Mind
Jeadong
Anytime
Xellos
Nal_Ra
Gorush
Oov
Nada
July
It is a good mix between veterans and the newcomers.
It is going to be an awsome MSL I hope Anytime takes it down!
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lol all the X-generation bonjwa players (Bisu, Stork, Savior etc) are getting wiped out clean.
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i hope jaedong wins..
so sad to see savior's sad face though....
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wow! first bisu... now savior...
Damn! Nice way to start the year.
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I'm glad savior didn't make it. He does not deserve a chance at a msl title if he can't overcome bisu.
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lol kal....
this is an awesome MSL so far, im assuming the people lakrismamma said have qualified, its almost all old school. i havent been keeping up with this round.
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Did anybody else think Kal's micro against Ruby was AWESOME?
Reaver drop madness
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#2 and #3 seeds are out... got fucked in the ass...
since everything is soooo unexpected...
TERRAN: GOOOOOOO NADA!!!!
PROTOSS: GOOOOOOOO NAL_RA!!!
ZERG: GOOOOOOOOO JAEDONG!!!
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
booooo that stupid mine by ruby
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On January 11 2008 08:44 JIJI wrote:
0/4. Savior, what the fuck -_-
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Nooooo sAviOr.
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thanx for the vods, Yakii.
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If Anytime is in shape no one can stop him.
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but it is winter not fall... no way for anytime to win
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On January 11 2008 15:58 KTFKentatsu wrote:
#2 and #3 seeds are out... got fucked in the ass...
since everything is soooo unexpected...
TERRAN: GOOOOOOO NADA!!!!
I agree, Nada should win this MSL!
poor savior, but somehow i think he didn't really care that much. obviously neither he nor bisu practiced very much. he lost against ruby and kal. yeah, kal isn't bad at all but zvp is savior strongest mu... same with bisu, who lost zvp... really strange...
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Woah msl and osl start of so nice. Last season i watched finals and proleague only. But this time i'll try to watch osl & msl as much as possible again. Go Nada for MSL & GO Xellos or Sea for OSL!!
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Kal is looking really strong this season, I wouldn't call it an upset if he won the MSL.
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On January 12 2008 09:22 Pinselstrich wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2008 15:58 KTFKentatsu wrote:
#2 and #3 seeds are out... got fucked in the ass...
since everything is soooo unexpected...
TERRAN: GOOOOOOO NADA!!!! I agree, Nada should win this MSL! poor savior, but somehow i think he didn't really care that much. obviously neither he nor bisu practiced very much. he lost against ruby and kal. yeah, kal isn't bad at all but zvp is savior strongest mu... same with bisu, who lost zvp... really strange...
are you crazy?
Bisu played amazing vs Jaedong, saying he didnt practice is a total cop out.
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On January 11 2008 01:22 Mannerheim wrote:
Stop saying MSL is meaningless with Bisu/sAviOr eliminated. Face it, they're both on a steady decline, shadows of their former selves. I wouldn't be surprised if they (or well, at least sAviOr) fail to even qualify next season. The guard has been changed, get with the times.
I dunno about that, things like this have happened plenty of times before, doesnt mean that they wont return to being great players.
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Fuck Kal and fuck Ruby!
They were too good. 8[ I wanted nobody to ever become as good as Savior was in his prime and now they are making him look like a Noob who can't multitask.
Somebody who plays as good as Savior shouldn't lose a game. Ever! =/ I demand new rules!
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