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Simplistik
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1328 Posts
On September 07 2026 22:50 Rainalcar wrote: Very good game. 1-1 terran deals with best. Snow only Protoss left in this Protoss favoured map pool season, as claimed by Artosis and other bw scholars. statistically least toss favored pool maybe ever based on eloboard data | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7212 Posts
On September 08 2026 00:01 Simplistik wrote: Man alive, watching Best PvZ is so insanely frustrating. Can someone fix that shit? Fixed. Probably not. The guy is really odd when he plays offline or under pressure. | ||
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
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Zografa
336 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51705 Posts
On September 08 2026 01:21 Zografa wrote: do we have the liquibet rankings? no, we don't usually update until the round is over so ask again next week. | ||
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prosatan
Romania9420 Posts
On September 08 2026 01:21 Zografa wrote: do we have the liquibet rankings? you are on 6 Zografa ! nice man! maybe you will be first ! i am on 53  | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1328 Posts
On September 08 2026 01:18 seRapH wrote: I don't like sounding like a balance doomer but it's undeniable that PvZ hasn't been fun to watch this season. Nah its true. Protoss has almost no viable options or timings on this map pool. Only carriers seem to really work vs terran. Highgrounds, chokepoints, lack of freedom of movement, etc. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7212 Posts
On September 08 2026 01:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Nah its true. Protoss has almost no viable options or timings on this map pool. Only carriers seem to really work vs terran. Highgrounds, chokepoints, lack of freedom of movement, etc. Today i saw a terran winning with 1-1 upgrades a 30 minutes game. Something like this in the past would have been a miracle. I honestly think people been way too lazer focus on pvz when the real struggle is pvt lol. But at the same time the terran players left are not championship contenders either so i dont really know what the solution is. I mean i kinda know that at this point just give protoss players a real protoss MP like they did to have that rain vs snow final i guess. At this point i dont even care. I will just quit playing those months let protoss enjoy their shit then i will be back. :D The thing is that we cant rely on ''balanced maps'' since our lovely protoss players will always find a way to open the sim city and get run by lings or some other BS that usually never work. For example game 1 Soma vs Best is a game that if nerves didnt play out im pretty sure Best is winning that 9/10 easily. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1328 Posts
On September 08 2026 02:04 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Today i saw a terran winning with 1-1 upgrades a 30 minutes game. Something like this in the past would have been a miracle. I honestly think people been way too lazer focus on pvz when the real struggle is pvt lol. But at the same time the terran players left are not championship contenders either so i dont really know what the solution is. I mean i kinda know that at this point just give protoss players a real protoss MP like they did to have that rain vs snow final i guess. At this point i dont even care. I will just quit playing those months let protoss enjoy their shit then i will be back. :D The thing is that we cant rely on ''balanced maps'' since our lovely protoss players will always find a way to open the sim city and get run by lings or some other BS that usually never work. For example game 1 Soma vs Best is a game that if nerves didnt play out im pretty sure Best is winning that 9/10 easily. Soma would likely have played it differently, but best would for sure have had better odds. and yeah PvT is a nightmare on this map pool. Terran has super advantageous terrain for tank set ups that protoss cant break unless they overspend on the engage. | ||
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TheAceOfHearts
United States10 Posts
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Zografa
336 Posts
On September 08 2026 01:26 BLinD-RawR wrote: no, we don't usually update until the round is over so ask again next week. but u did not update after ro24? | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5981 Posts
And Best Hyuked himself so hard in the first set, going into set 2 his confidence to win 2 games in a row was so down the drain. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
Artosis will still look you dead in the eye, be 100% serious and tell you Toss is OP | ||
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TMNT
3404 Posts
Of course anyone can point to one lost game and brush it off as "but Best/Mini/Snow/Bisu should have played better here". But the root of the issue runs deeper than that. The nature of Protoss is "take punts, get rewards". If they don't do that, aka if both sides play a normal game with no risks, Protoss organically becomes weaker the longer the game goes, because its economy scales worse than Zerg and its army scales worse than Terran. That's why you see those "sloppy" mistakes from Protoss players. Think about it, if we turned back time and at the beginning of their career, Soulkey, Soma, Flash, Light, Rush,.... played Protoss, do you think suddenly we would never see lings runby, hydra bust, recall on a mine field, shuttle drop doing nothing, templars sniped by mutas/vultures....nah ah. I mean, the sole reason PvZ is a viable matchup at all is because they designed an entrance with a certain gap so that P can drop a Nexus after x minutes without being killed, so that their economy can cope with Zerg's to begin with. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8196 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
Mapmakers need to take it seriously though and just build a mappool to deal with Zerg's structural imbalances in the matchup. The early game is too oppressive. Best or mini making a mistake is fine if we get our toss some other way but we're not getting anyone. ZvZ is pretty fun but only ZvZ isn't healthy for anyone. I'll admit I never have any faith in Best though. Overhyped and underdelivering his whole career. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
Look at the kneejerk reaction that came from 910 when Odyssey first came out and every Terran and Zerg started complaining. It has led to a situation this season where there is really only 1 decently balanced map in Knockout (and it's really just an update of a previously decently balanced map in Circuit Breaker). I fear the rest of this season is gonna be pretty rough where we see a lot more all-ins and cheeses on maps where one race doesn't have much of a chance if they play it straight up. Soop needs to plan better. The new map pool should be ready to go no more than a week after the end of the previous season. Let the players have a good couple of months to thrash out the balance through their proleagues and other smaller tournaments so that when the next ASL comes aroud there's a decent sample set of the balance. The TvZ imba on half the remaining map pool is pretty grim and an indicator of perhaps what's to come in the ro8 onwards. The map pool is unfortunately having too much influence on results as opposed to player skill. ASL has got to fix it. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2608 Posts
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Simplistik
2173 Posts
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