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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1263 Posts
March 26 2026 16:20 GMT
#101
On March 26 2026 23:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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On March 26 2026 19:26 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On March 26 2026 16:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 26 2026 01:41 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On March 25 2026 23:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 25 2026 21:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On March 25 2026 21:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Sayian and Xun talking about how YSC must have low self esteem because he is overweight was something else. Those two are so dense, I just wish Artosis and Tasteless were making the commentary.

YSC played so well. Bit disappointed for Larva though that was rough.

wait they really went there? that is a bit out of order.... They are there to commentate games, not to critique physiques and self-esteem...

I mean, last time i went on Sayian “proleague watchparty” - which is just nicking the stream of pros with no authorization - he was talking about how his dad had Trump Derangemrnt Syndrom, how there are too many immigrants and how central banks are a scam. That was a week after they started a stream with a homage to Charlie Kirk.

I don’t think they mean badly, but it’s painful to listen to this junk. This stuff is so amateurish, they have no business being the official commentators of the biggest tournament in the world.


I think they are free to have whatever political opinion they want without it affecting their ability to cast the ASL. I often engage with them on their political opinions on their streams, but I don't agree with many of their political opinions, and I agree with some opinions. I think is great to have differing political opinions and still be respectful towards one another despite the differences. Gives us the possibility to come to a closer understand of differing views without any need for antagonism.

I mean they are free to do anything, it’s their house. That being said, if you are trying to build a community over an old video game, ranting about politics in the middle of your casts is unbelievably stupid.


These days the formula is to either double down and become an echo chamber for political views, or to avoid anything politics. Middle of the road approaches generally don't work well.

I don’t see a world in which talking about your political views in your videos is a good idea if you want to make it as a professional StarCraft 1 commentator. Just makes no sense.


Oh there is definitely a world, but in that world you got to double down on appealing to folks with the same political views and draw them into your little chamber. Become a pro commentator with your own platform and not using someone else's.
JDON MY SOUL!
shafirudd
Profile Joined June 2019
United States25 Posts
March 26 2026 16:29 GMT
#102
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
March 26 2026 18:09 GMT
#103
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8098 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-26 18:19:57
March 26 2026 18:14 GMT
#104
I like Artosis. I think he brings to life small nuances that make the game much more enjoyable to watch. He knows and points out variations in trends, what details makes what difference. That’s exactly what you need from a caster, give you an insight into what is going on that you can’t see and don’t comprehend because you don’t have the expertise.

I never feel i understand the game better watching Sayian. But i mean to each their own. What i don’t want is idiotic speculations about someone being supposedly inconfident because they are overweight or having to hear right wing conspiracy theories when i am watching Royal and Snow play each other. It’s also nice when i am being informed i am watching series that are 8 months old while they are presented like they happened this week. That’s not a very high bar to ask for.
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shafirudd
Profile Joined June 2019
United States25 Posts
March 26 2026 18:21 GMT
#105
On March 27 2026 03:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.


They're overall fine, fan of Saiyan specifically, love his approach - i think sometimes things stick out, this YSC Fat stuff being an example, i think overharping on Minis mental waknesses/commentary on his mental strength because he makes faces sometimes sticks out to me. I may just be spoiled from Artosis/Tasteless/Nyoken/Gypsy live casting ASL in the past - Diggity is great too, don't think hes live casted ASL though, wish he would
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-27 02:04:12
March 26 2026 18:51 GMT
#106
On March 27 2026 03:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.

I think Xun tries to build hype too much with speculative statements I due to my connections with pros and a lot of behind the scene knowledge know is wrong. I think less speculative hype building and more in depth analysis is a way to improve.
JDON MY SOUL!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
March 27 2026 00:31 GMT
#107
On March 27 2026 03:21 shafirudd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 03:09 BisuDagger wrote:
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.


They're overall fine, fan of Saiyan specifically, love his approach - i think sometimes things stick out, this YSC Fat stuff being an example, i think overharping on Minis mental waknesses/commentary on his mental strength because he makes faces sometimes sticks out to me. I may just be spoiled from Artosis/Tasteless/Nyoken/Gypsy live casting ASL in the past - Diggity is great too, don't think hes live casted ASL though, wish he would

Thanks for the reply. I think thats quality feedback for these guys. Like you said, overall they are fine, but its good they can think about what you guys dislike/enjoy and try to improve on that.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1105 Posts
March 27 2026 05:54 GMT
#108
On March 25 2026 19:16 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
lmao at herO vs huro winrate stats comparion in zvp (ASL record)
64% vs 0%


Sample size
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1105 Posts
March 27 2026 05:58 GMT
#109
On March 25 2026 19:34 Naib wrote:
that was one of the most standard 5hatch hydra builds of all time


it's quite a modern one, he got den before his fifth hatchery, going for a much faster timing than the "classic" 5 hatch hydra
Postalpj
Profile Joined March 2026
13 Posts
March 28 2026 13:54 GMT
#110
On March 27 2026 03:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.


Both play z and is very apparent they lack understanding of the other factions.

To be fair I haven’t watched them in a minute, but watching them cast a pvz is no good.
m4ch1n1cd351r3
Profile Joined October 2020
19 Posts
March 28 2026 17:22 GMT
#111
Wow. These games were as poor as Group B's were good. Hero didn't have to break a sweat.

Larva played like he had no respect for YSChuttulbeyewater in the losers and Shine totally misread the game and missed his tempo in the final match after getting into a strong position.

YSChuttulbeyewater showed good grit but little else.

Still, always nice to see someone get rewarded for their perseverance.

Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8671 Posts
March 28 2026 17:49 GMT
#112
On March 27 2026 03:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.


There was a time when I liked watching them and thought they were improving but at this point I'm on the verge of going back to korean broadcast. It's just too annoying for me to them hyping up game states that are over or just plainly misstate what is happening. They even admitted to doing at least some of that on purpose... I just don't like be taken a fool for some meaningless hype. Please analyse the game and point out details I don't know or see. Or at least state things correctly.

If that's their style, ok. I suppose it's not for me. I just wish I had an alternative because Tastosis, albeit the great chemistry, are not it for me, either.

On March 28 2026 22:54 Postalpj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 03:09 BisuDagger wrote:
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting

SaiyanSC and Xun are fantastic. I'm curious what kind of casting would make it better. More yelling and excitement? Because they do a great job focusing on the state of the game and assess the situations really well.


Both play z and is very apparent they lack understanding of the other factions.

To be fair I haven’t watched them in a minute, but watching them cast a pvz is no good.


To be fair, they are way more fair to cases where other races have a hard time vs zerg than basically all the terran casters...
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-28 20:02:00
March 28 2026 19:55 GMT
#113
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting


Would you prefer Rapid, Wolf or Noregret casting instead of Sayian & Xun? I can not believe anyone would. Sayian and Xun are doing a great job casting together, they often spot details in the game, which Tastosis miss (but vice versa also occurs, so i can not say that one cast is technically better than the other). The best casters ever were Nyoken & Scan - they would sometimes notice such details and aspects of the game, that made Tastosis as well as Sayian/Xun look like amateurs. I love Tastosis most for their charismatic cast - that is the most important thing!
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Shine: "i did not prepare for Protoss today, only for ZvZ" - i thought Shine was joking, looks like he was not!

Larva: "i consider myself to be already in the round of 16" - when you have a personality like Larva, you have to be bold, but if you don't back up your words and loose to inferior player like YSC, your reputation falls.

This is probably the worst round of 24 i've ever seen. We are denied Shine's bag of builds in the later rounds and well as Larva's personality. We get YSC instead. Sad. But i do commend him for his last game versus Shine - he looked impressive and deserved to advance to the round of 16.


goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-29 11:45:02
March 29 2026 11:42 GMT
#114
Yo tulbo cooking larva and shinee is so peak. I know he's not like best or mini or snow but you can feel his improvement overtime

And it's the same guy who managed to screw his own rush a few ASLs ago rushing the empty base on his own mistake lmao

Shinee and Larva didnt play the greatest but hey i'm always excited for underdogs and honestly speaking mistakes happen even on the greatest level of play.

On March 29 2026 04:55 Artas1984 wrote:
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On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting



Larva: "i consider myself to be already in the round of 16" - when you have a personality like Larva, you have to be bold, but if you don't back up your words and loose to inferior player like YSC, your reputation falls.



The humble act that everybody shows despite most of them probably thinking they are better than most people gets old fast when most of them talk that way. It's fine to have mix of personality like Larva. Being bold as a competitor is a nice touch than being another 95% of the pro population "i hope i will win" class act
this is a quote
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-29 11:52:53
March 29 2026 11:52 GMT
#115
On March 29 2026 20:42 goody153 wrote:
Yo tulbo cooking larva and shinee is so peak. I know he's not like best or mini or snow but you can feel his improvement overtime

And it's the same guy who managed to screw his own rush a few ASLs ago rushing the empty base on his own mistake lmao

Shinee and Larva didnt play the greatest but hey i'm always excited for underdogs and honestly speaking mistakes happen even on the greatest level of play.

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On March 29 2026 04:55 Artas1984 wrote:
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting



Larva: "i consider myself to be already in the round of 16" - when you have a personality like Larva, you have to be bold, but if you don't back up your words and loose to inferior player like YSC, your reputation falls.



The humble act that everybody shows despite most of them probably thinking they are better than most people gets old fast when most of them talk that way. It's fine to have mix of personality like Larva. Being bold as a competitor is a nice touch than being another 95% of the pro population "i hope i will win" class act



It was Motive who rushed the empty base.
Shinee is not in ASL, Shine is.
YSC ruined his own attack vs Light by mismicroing a shuttle reaver into a turret.


On Shine's bag of builds:
I think Shine's biggest weakness in the present day is his bag of builds, because we are in a time where fundamental standard builds and information gathering/denial are way better than having tricky builds. Shine's got in because he had ZvZ where his style works great, he has amazing ling and muta control. But vs T and P he just lacks fundamentals beside the micro aspect. Seen so many of his games the past half year and I honestly thought he looked too weak to qualify. He did but I wasnt counting on it.
JDON MY SOUL!
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
March 29 2026 18:38 GMT
#116
YSC vs Larva has to be one of the worst played games of ASl history, no?

complete trash play from both of them.
m4ch1n1cd351r3
Profile Joined October 2020
19 Posts
March 29 2026 19:24 GMT
#117
On March 29 2026 04:55 Artas1984 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting


Would you prefer Rapid, Wolf or Noregret casting instead of Sayian & Xun? I can not believe anyone would. Sayian and Xun are doing a great job casting together, they often spot details in the game, which Tastosis miss (but vice versa also occurs, so i can not say that one cast is technically better than the other). The best casters ever were Nyoken & Scan - they would sometimes notice such details and aspects of the game, that made Tastosis as well as Sayian/Xun look like amateurs. I love Tastosis most for their charismatic cast - that is the most important thing!



+1 on Nyoken/Scan. I sometimes mute casts and listen to music during match streams but during their casts I would always listen, and find myself going long stretches without saying anything aloud about the gamestate because they caught so much of it themselves.

Gypsy was also very good. Insightful, and I prefer his brusqueness to Xun's loquacity/propensity for hypecasting personally.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
March 29 2026 21:57 GMT
#118
Shine and Larva both seemed to had no plans for a ZvP that didn't end in a 3-base midgame, like they spent too much time on ZvZ and didn't take YSC seriously. Shine couldn't even be bothered to send drones to his fourth base that just rotted for like five minutes. Really happy for YSC
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byj
Profile Joined November 2015
525 Posts
March 30 2026 01:07 GMT
#119
Tulbo's seemed very likeable here, happy to see him make it out!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-30 01:48:42
March 30 2026 01:48 GMT
#120
On March 30 2026 04:24 m4ch1n1cd351r3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2026 04:55 Artas1984 wrote:
On March 27 2026 01:29 shafirudd wrote:
Definitely wish we had better English casting options for live casting


Would you prefer Rapid, Wolf or Noregret casting instead of Sayian & Xun? I can not believe anyone would. Sayian and Xun are doing a great job casting together, they often spot details in the game, which Tastosis miss (but vice versa also occurs, so i can not say that one cast is technically better than the other). The best casters ever were Nyoken & Scan - they would sometimes notice such details and aspects of the game, that made Tastosis as well as Sayian/Xun look like amateurs. I love Tastosis most for their charismatic cast - that is the most important thing!



+1 on Nyoken/Scan. I sometimes mute casts and listen to music during match streams but during their casts I would always listen, and find myself going long stretches without saying anything aloud about the gamestate because they caught so much of it themselves.

Gypsy was also very good. Insightful, and I prefer his brusqueness to Xun's loquacity/propensity for hypecasting personally.


I didn't like Gypsy's casting much. He would too much lean into calling something good or bad, but not explain why. Scan has five layers of deeper knowledge than anyone in the Foreign community, and hearing his insights was honestly great, because it goes so much deeper and was most often times actually correct. Sometimes hear explanations from others that don't add up, or aren't correct. But then again, Scan's at the pro-gamer level and played in a bunch of ASL seasons. it is incomparable and perhaps unfair to compare the knowledge gap.
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