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[ASL20] Ro24 Group B
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
hmmm.... what i was thinking ?? | ||
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pseudosignal
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JYJ > TY Bisu > Speed I think Speed will opt for early aggression which is the only thing Bisu does well against in PvT JYJ > Bisu Speed > TY Speed has monstrous TvT this will be decimation Speed > Bisu Speed will play more safely with the tournament on the line and his fundamentals will outshine Bisu who will probably waste his army once or twice then lose during a carrier transition Speed and JYJ advance | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5601 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands919 Posts
Speed played only bgh in May, took a break from mid june to late july, but has been grinding since he came back. But I worry the bgh month plus the break has somewhat hurt his peak performance. Hope I am wrong because I have been rooting for Speed since 2020. Bisu I hope has leveled up with the bw window size change and allegedly the change to a wireless mouse. TY has been grinding a bunch to improve his weakish TvT. hope it pays off for him! | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria487 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
I think Bisu and Speed/Jyj will make it. But if Bisu drops his game vs Speed it’ll be tough for him. Ty seems out of his depth in this group. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands919 Posts
On August 19 2025 18:56 RowdierBob wrote: Any reason why JYJ is the one seed over Bisu? I think Bisu and Speed/Jyj will make it. But if Bisu drops his game vs Speed it’ll be tough for him. Ty seems out of his depth in this group. He won an ASL. Bisu has not. JyJ had a long streak of Ro8s, Bisu did not. Placings in prior ASLs determines the amount of points a player has. Points = Seed. | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey740 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
On August 19 2025 17:19 prosatan wrote: LB on Bisu and TY hmmm.... what i was thinking ?? *Oh my sweet boy JD...* probably. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 19 2025 17:51 pseudosignal wrote: Predictions (originally I thought Speed/Bisu advance but I’ve changed my mind): JYJ > TY This comment aged like Lindsay Lohan | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1059 Posts
Well, he just had a b.o. win, executed it well, while his opponent choked. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands919 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:25 TornadoSteve wrote: "that domination (...) almost unheard of in the modern era" Well, he just had a b.o. win, executed it well, while his opponent choked. Not even a choke, just a snowball from BO advantage + minor mind game. Xun tends to oversell things by quite an extreme degree lol. But it does generate some hype even if not always an accurate presentation of the facts. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:23 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: niko niko nii busted his nico nico kneecaps | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Peeano
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:49 Peeano wrote: Bisu's mindset is doing 75-125 damage and retreating. Does he even know tanks have 150hp? "what are reavers?" - Bisu, maybe | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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HOLYBATS
Turkey740 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:57 RowdierBob wrote: Xun and Saiyan putting in work to make that one sound a lot closer than it was. Not sure if you like that, I prefer to listen to the Korean cast in this case. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1059 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:57 RowdierBob wrote: Xun and Saiyan putting in work to make that one sound a lot closer than it was. Seriously, what the fuck is Xun talking about half of the time ? It's surprisingly retarded. Remind me of the ESPN## commentator in Dodgeball | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
at least in those segments you get to see people chugging the thing down | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:01 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: man I miss the hot6 segments at least in those segments you get to see people chugging the thing down Yeah, it's hard to make this Google Play sponsorship look exciting. We see masses of people looking at their phones all day everywhere already. That said, I'm sure the commentators are happy to not down a can full of sugar and caffeine every cast. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
feels weird to see two gas in the main, it's like I'm looking at a sc2 map | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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HOLYBATS
Turkey740 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21731 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Duckvillelol
Australia1242 Posts
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pseudosignal
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
yeah ty should've just committed fully but even then bisu would still beat him with DTs | ||
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kAra
Germany1379 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:21 kAra wrote: bisu doubters, time to start scrubbing the toilets easy to say that now. despite a good early game vs speed, he had a pretty bad midgame imo, and was lucky speed was going for a huge game so he could catch up. eventually the storm drops started working. then the short game vs TY. Could easily see a world where Bisu falls face first into bricks in both games and goes out in last place. Bo1 just be like that. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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TMNT
2767 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:18 Gorsameth wrote: wtf was that, pulling back half the tanks and just completely ignoring them as they run into the dragoons... He panicked lol. It's one of those moments when something unexpected happens and you go like "Oh shit I'm screwed. What do I do? What do I do now? I can't think of any. But I must do something. Anything. Just anything" We often talk about how Protoss players make bad decisions in PvT especially in engagements (hello Artosis), but the core of that issue is a lack of vision/information. Here you see that phenomenon manifests with Terran when they opt for a strategy without their maphacks (mines + scan). | ||
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pseudosignal
28 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:29 Peeano wrote: JyJ doesn't look very confident? So Speed really does have good TvT? Did you watch last year? | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:29 TMNT wrote: He panicked lol. It's one of those moments when something unexpected happens and you go like "Oh shit I'm screwed. What do I do? What do I do now? I can't think of any. But I must do something. Anything. Just anything" Tbf, we can totally do without players like that in the Ro16. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
I don't remember watching TvT, no. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
....or not nvm he crumbled | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Peeano
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Peeano
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
what is it with final sets and pole star | ||
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:48 Peeano wrote: Prosatan, it's still possible. indeed Peeano .... lucky  | ||
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:48 RowdierBob wrote: It must be so frustrating for guys like Hero, Snow, Best, Bisu etc to watch JYJ and know he has won an ASL before them. +1 ! JyJ and Royal are playing pretty bad in ASL now... | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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Terrorbladder
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Peeano
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:06 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: with all these drops it seems like ty has not let go of his sc2 self. lol Thanks for confirming ^^ | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
also why is no one building an ebay | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:04 Terrorbladder wrote: Does TY hate Siege Mode or smth? It's literally 150m 150g to not die and win the game. Now he lost all SCVs at his natural and the 5fac gol allin reset the game sIEGE MODE SUCKS some1 UNPLUG SPEED'S PC. TY is too cool to lose he makes dropships MOMMMMAAYYYYY | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
What a great TvT! | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
LB was close haha | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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pseudosignal
28 Posts
On August 19 2025 17:51 pseudosignal wrote: Predictions (originally I thought Speed/Bisu advance but I’ve changed my mind): Guess I shoulda stuck with my first instinct  JYJ was way more subpar than I expected and TY shit the bed against Bisu. Speed's TvT still impressive but his TvP was a little weaker than I thought it'd be. Felt like his 4th/5th facts were super late against Bisu? Will have to watch it back again. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
BW such a mechanical game though. Maybe slightly too mechanical, but it's what makes it so gnarly to watch. | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey740 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:21 prosatan wrote: nice tvt overall ! LB was close haha My LBs are in fuckin wood league right now. Only 50% correct so far. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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ahwala
Germany391 Posts
Maybe not the highest level of play, but all the more exciting. Looking forward to tomorrow. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:25 RogerChillingworth wrote: My LBs are in fuckin wood league right now. Only 50% correct so far.  | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1575 Posts
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RogueTheGOAT
37 Posts
On August 19 2025 19:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: Even if you're simultaneously the biggest TY fan and JyJ hater, I don't see how you could actually recommend this game to be watched. If you're going to recommend a build order win, it better be some god-tier cheese. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3436 Posts
On August 19 2025 22:48 LightSpectra wrote: Every time Bisu wins a PvT with zealot spamming I'm unfortunately reminded of that accursed Proleague Finals that robbed Flash of his threepeat Nothing accursed about it, bud. Hahahaha =D | ||
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ahwala
Germany391 Posts
I don't remember them being this late with their coverage from ASL19. | ||
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TMNT
2767 Posts
On August 20 2025 01:57 ahwala wrote: Btw, what is going on with Tastosis? I don't remember them being this late with their coverage from ASL19. They often release the VOD 48 hours after the livestream. So youll probably see group A tomorrow. It's not late. It's always been like this or even worse. | ||
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ahwala
Germany391 Posts
Maybe I misremember because I used to watch Saiyan and Xun's vods on the StarcastTV channel instead of the live stream. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1059 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: Tae Yang definitely is still in hybrid mode, but you can still see that if he committed to it he will kick ass. Please call the players by their zodiac sign. You will sound a lot cooler | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
37 Posts
On August 19 2025 21:04 Terrorbladder wrote: Does TY hate Siege Mode or smth? It's literally 150m 150g to not die and win the game. Now he lost all SCVs at his natural and the 5fac gol allin reset the game At least 100/100 of that went to the Dropship he was using to ferry Vultures to do counter harass damage to Speed. If he invests in Siege Mode earlier, he either can't build the Dropship or he has to cut a Siege Tank. Without the former, the game goes into a completely different direction and not one you can say is him just winning. Without the latter, he probably just dies considering how close those holds were. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44421 Posts
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Lazyer
United States348 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3332 Posts
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Artas1984
Lithuania121 Posts
I think - TY being a pro would never detach random 2 tanks backwards like that straight into dragoon T-bone fire... That had to be a mistake by misclick, not by a decision! On August 20 2025 09:58 Lazyer wrote: Is JyJ okay, what happened to ASL Champ JyJ JYJ is the second worst ASL "champ" after Shuttle. Still, his TvT skills and potential can not be judged by this ASL20 run - he is much better than that. Best of 1 ain't telling the story. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands919 Posts
On August 22 2025 05:35 Artas1984 wrote: Never thought i would enjoy that last TvT like today! I think - TY being a pro would never detach random 2 tanks backwards like that straight into dragoon T-bone fire... That had to be a mistake by misclick, not by a decision! JYJ is the second worst ASL "champ" after Shuttle. Still, his TvT skills and potential can not be judged by this ASL20 run - he is much better than that. Best of 1 ain't telling the story. JyJ mega peaked in his ASL winning season in part because he was the meta for that short period of time. in that short period of time he was legitimately the best terran. But he very quickly fell out of that peak and seems unable to regain it. | ||
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goody153
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Surprised that Speed didnt make it out first. I just thought it would be Speed > tossup between the 3 on who makes it out. Could've honestly been TY but alas | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24582 Posts
On August 21 2025 01:51 Bisu-Fan wrote: I'm ready to be hurt again we all are <3 | ||
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Miragee
8520 Posts
On August 19 2025 20:27 RogerChillingworth wrote: easy to say that now. despite a good early game vs speed, he had a pretty bad midgame imo, and was lucky speed was going for a huge game so he could catch up. eventually the storm drops started working. then the short game vs TY. Could easily see a world where Bisu falls face first into bricks in both games and goes out in last place. Bo1 just be like that. Idk, this has been the first time in forever (might be 15+ years to be completely honest) I have seen take good engagements in lategame PvT. Like, he put his zealots in front instead of keeping them savely tucked behind his goons, what the hell? On August 19 2025 21:06 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: with all these drops it seems like ty has not let go of his sc2 self. lol He used to play with a lot of drops back in the Kespa days. There is was an infamous match against Jaedong where he tried to drop 18 times and Jaedong sniped every single attempt with scourge, lol. | ||
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