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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey851 Posts
April 22 2025 14:00 GMT
#161
zvz Queen vs SK final is coming
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1143 Posts
April 22 2025 14:04 GMT
#162
ZerO vs Light
Rain vs Soulkey
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 14:33:05
April 22 2025 14:32 GMT
#163
On April 22 2025 22:58 RowdierBob wrote:
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-

He was the PvP goat like... 8 years ago. His PvP has been pretty meh since coming back, like Best/Bisu level. Not that he has played much PvP to estimate his level though.

Thinking Rain is still that good at PvP these days is like thinking JD's ZvZ is still JvZ.
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines682 Posts
April 22 2025 15:22 GMT
#164
I'm rooting for JD all the way.

idc if it ends up ZvZ with soulkey on the other side, give JD an ASL.
Yuru Yuri best anime
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 15:52:27
April 22 2025 15:52 GMT
#165
On April 22 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.

snow seems to largely lose vs the eventual champion, while putting out the best games of the tourney. Yet people only look at placing, not at who they faced on their path.
JDON MY SOUL!
Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway666 Posts
April 22 2025 15:57 GMT
#166
On April 22 2025 22:35 Peeano wrote:
Added Ro8 to the calendar (without player match ups yet, even though there is anti-spoiler TL).
Do you all know about anti-spoiler TL? Where to find the button? That it removes match ups from the calendar?


I was unaware of that, thanks!
It's ok. I still love you <3
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3401 Posts
April 22 2025 16:20 GMT
#167
On April 23 2025 00:52 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.

snow seems to largely lose vs the eventual champion, while putting out the best games of the tourney. Yet people only look at placing, not at who they faced on their path.

Well, doesn't help that he lost to ggaemo and Killer in Ro24. It leaves a bad impression on everyone of Snow the choker.

After peaking in season 8 he got eliminated 6 times by Zergs (Larva, Soma, Hero, Queen, ggaemo, and Hero again). Obviously as his PvZ during this time was pretty weak. Around season 15 he upped his PvZ but got knocked out by Soulkey 3 times (15.17,18). Season 16 was the shock loses to Killer and Royal (who at the time had like 20% win rate vs Snow).

He's likely to get Soulkey again this time and if he doesn't do it now, it'd even be harder with Flash and Soma coming back next season.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
April 22 2025 17:00 GMT
#168
Still waiting for a PvZ that isn’t a hydra bust. Least Hero is gone, notoriously only does it, constantly cancels lair tech when scouted.

Best will get hydra busted to death, and Snow/Rains only hope is Rush beating SK

Tragic Mini couldn’t recover after that awesome planned build vs Hero
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5655 Posts
April 22 2025 17:17 GMT
#169
Perfect balance once again
don't wall off against random
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1143 Posts
April 22 2025 17:26 GMT
#170
On April 22 2025 23:32 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 22:58 RowdierBob wrote:
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-

He was the PvP goat like... 8 years ago. His PvP has been pretty meh since coming back, like Best/Bisu level. Not that he has played much PvP to estimate his level though.

Thinking Rain is still that good at PvP these days is like thinking JD's ZvZ is still JvZ.


But his army movement man... It's second to none, SnOw included. That's the reason his PvsP is so strong. And thats the reason he will walk over SnOw in the RO8 (hopefully :D)
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
April 22 2025 17:38 GMT
#171
On April 23 2025 01:20 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2025 00:52 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 22 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.

snow seems to largely lose vs the eventual champion, while putting out the best games of the tourney. Yet people only look at placing, not at who they faced on their path.

Well, doesn't help that he lost to ggaemo and Killer in Ro24. It leaves a bad impression on everyone of Snow the choker.

After peaking in season 8 he got eliminated 6 times by Zergs (Larva, Soma, Hero, Queen, ggaemo, and Hero again). Obviously as his PvZ during this time was pretty weak. Around season 15 he upped his PvZ but got knocked out by Soulkey 3 times (15.17,18). Season 16 was the shock loses to Killer and Royal (who at the time had like 20% win rate vs Snow).

He's likely to get Soulkey again this time and if he doesn't do it now, it'd even be harder with Flash and Soma coming back next season.

Yeah ggaemo and killer did him dirty haha. Snow does have the habit of being too overconfident with "weaker opponents". RoyaL actually does well vs snow when the stakes are high. iirc royal beat snow for PSL and a starcast tournament.
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 18:47:18
April 22 2025 18:46 GMT
#172
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 18:56:12
April 22 2025 18:53 GMT
#173
On April 23 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.

He's lost to Queen with it. Surprisingly Queen's pretty good against it. Flash TvZ looks about as strong as it used to. But his TvP seems to be lagging behind.

Edit: jaedong 2-1 flash before ASL today.
JDON MY SOUL!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51706 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-23 06:34:18
April 22 2025 19:06 GMT
#174
i have a feeling players are going to soft ban death valley into a game 7 map for the ro8 on wards just to avoid it which is a shame
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1005 Posts
April 22 2025 19:21 GMT
#175
When will the playoffbracket be updated?
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 22:21:52
April 22 2025 22:21 GMT
#176
On April 23 2025 03:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.

He's lost to Queen with it. Surprisingly Queen's pretty good against it. Flash TvZ looks about as strong as it used to. But his TvP seems to be lagging behind.

Edit: jaedong 2-1 flash before ASL today.

Which game was it that Flash lost to Queen with that build? I only found this one where he opened 2 Factory Goliath but then switched to 3 Rax MM after.

Otherwise, I traced Flash's TvZ (broadcasted) last month and there was only one time he lost to Zerg (Hero) with that build, but in that game he made a crucial mistake (Goliaths move out, Mutas move in, Gols keep moving, but then return after almost reaching an undefended Zerg natural).

Most of the times with that build you see Flash building up Goliaths for 10+ minutes, before mixing in a few Tanks/Vessels and delivering the killing blow to Zerg.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-23 00:38:57
April 23 2025 00:21 GMT
#177
On April 23 2025 07:21 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2025 03:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 23 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.

He's lost to Queen with it. Surprisingly Queen's pretty good against it. Flash TvZ looks about as strong as it used to. But his TvP seems to be lagging behind.

Edit: jaedong 2-1 flash before ASL today.

Which game was it that Flash lost to Queen with that build? I only found this one where he opened 2 Factory Goliath but then switched to 3 Rax MM after.

Otherwise, I traced Flash's TvZ (broadcasted) last month and there was only one time he lost to Zerg (Hero) with that build, but in that game he made a crucial mistake (Goliaths move out, Mutas move in, Gols keep moving, but then return after almost reaching an undefended Zerg natural).

Most of the times with that build you see Flash building up Goliaths for 10+ minutes, before mixing in a few Tanks/Vessels and delivering the killing blow to Zerg.

back in January is one I recall haha. not recent enough tbh.
Didn't herO beat it on the 17th of april? <-- correction was vs standard sk terran
And Queen on the 2nd of april? <-- fast vessel sk terran
JDON MY SOUL!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States402 Posts
April 23 2025 00:55 GMT
#178
Rip my LB
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
April 23 2025 05:06 GMT
#179
Based on how the seeding and grouping works, as long as SK gets 1st place and Snow loses to him in semifinals every ASL, they'll always be in same side of the bracket forever?
Oppa feeding style
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4300 Posts
April 23 2025 05:30 GMT
#180
Gotta be the most balanced (race-wise) ASL to date, right? 7P 9T 8Z in ro24, 5P 6T 5Z in ro16 and 3P 2T 3Z in ro8.

Quite remarkable.
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