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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4298 Posts
April 23 2025 05:31 GMT
#181
I feel like Soulkey's gonna win another one, btw.. Skill but also luck are definitely on his side.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2173 Posts
April 23 2025 06:03 GMT
#182
On April 23 2025 04:06 GTR wrote:
i have a feeling though players are going to soft ban death valley into a game 7 map for the ro8 on wards just to avoid it which is a shame

I hope you're wrong, but you're probably right.

That said, maybe someone can find a cool build to gamble with and put it early.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
April 23 2025 23:21 GMT
#183
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Mini :'(
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1971 Posts
April 23 2025 23:42 GMT
#184
On April 24 2025 08:21 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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Mini :'(

His scarab upgraded balls were not enough :'(
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
156 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-24 18:51:08
April 24 2025 18:24 GMT
#185
I was about to bring out my Mini shit bucket, but after his PvZ masterclass i will withhold that. Even thogh he lost to Rush, he did not play bad, he just played too wild and too risky - that is always good for the viewer! Better to die doing some crazy shit, that dying due to lack of bad skill/preparation.


On April 22 2025 22:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I feel terrans kind of need a champion though.


THE LAST THING we need is a another balounee Terran champion! I will give the exception to Rush, because he truly deserves it even more than chumps JYJ/Royal.

On April 22 2025 19:58 Zergxhx wrote:
Now it's time to prove who has the better Reaver micro. I'm betting on Snow.


Snow has proven this a long time ago. In my prediction he is the best protoss player in ASL now, Rain second, Mini third. Forget ASL5 - Snow has improved so much since then it is now even funny. Rain, on the other hand, is not exactly in the peak form as he was back then in 2018.

On April 22 2025 22:58 RowdierBob wrote:
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-


Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11111 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-24 22:15:01
April 24 2025 19:51 GMT
#186
Mini and snow with some insane games. Disappointing we got mini vol but that game vs hero was insane. Wish we could see more of him instead of rain. Feel like minis pvz should be recognized as ‘better’ than Bisu or Rain today.

Give me a pvt and zvt next round from this group.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada137 Posts
April 25 2025 19:16 GMT
#187
Hero's ZvT is overrated imo, like Rain's PvT

People talk about him being god tier like Soulkey, but he's only barely reached a positive win rate against T in the last season or so

IMO his ZvT is the worst out of the top 4 active Zergs, worse than Queen, Soulkey, Action
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
April 25 2025 23:49 GMT
#188
On April 26 2025 04:16 ruhtraeel wrote:
Hero's ZvT is overrated imo, like Rain's PvT


When did Hero's ZvT started to be considered good? His ZvT has always been his weak point. He just always crashed people with macro if he didn't get hurt. As soon as it became technical, he often crumbled.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
April 26 2025 01:39 GMT
#189
On April 26 2025 04:16 ruhtraeel wrote:
Hero's ZvT is overrated imo, like Rain's PvT

People talk about him being god tier like Soulkey, but he's only barely reached a positive win rate against T in the last season or so

IMO his ZvT is the worst out of the top 4 active Zergs, worse than Queen, Soulkey, Action

He's better than Action at ZvT.
HerO's only down on Light, Rush, Royal and Flash in Tvz. Equal on JyJ.
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On April 26 2025 04:27 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
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On April 25 2025 21:32 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 25 2025 18:21 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
JD 4:1 Snow

?

we need ro8 power list!


Soulkey
Snow
Light
Queen
Jaedong
Rush
Best
Rain


In the duel series


That duel series was played back in December or before. It still had Pantheon, Kickback, Minstrel and Monty Hall in the map pool. Not quite relevant for the present.
JDON MY SOUL!
haegN
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway547 Posts
April 26 2025 08:33 GMT
#190

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.
None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
April 26 2025 09:50 GMT
#191
On April 26 2025 17:33 haegN wrote:
Show nested quote +

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.

SnOW wins this. No doubt about it.
JDON MY SOUL!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9419 Posts
April 26 2025 13:57 GMT
#192
On April 26 2025 18:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2025 17:33 haegN wrote:

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.

SnOW wins this. No doubt about it.

I went with Rain for LB. He has (or had) very good pvp !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
April 26 2025 14:18 GMT
#193
On April 26 2025 22:57 prosatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2025 18:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 26 2025 17:33 haegN wrote:

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.

SnOW wins this. No doubt about it.

I went with Rain for LB. He has (or had) very good pvp !


Yeah same. I feel like Snow is in better shape but Rain has historically been extremely good at navigating the match up (much in the same way as Jaedong in ZvZ) and can do a lot with little practice. You can also never know if Snow's nerves hold up. His Ro16 matches looked strong but in the interview he still admitted he was shaking. This is why I went with Rain for LB, even though I think Snow is stronger atm.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3400 Posts
April 26 2025 14:38 GMT
#194
I hope Snow 4-0 Rain so that people can have a wake up call that this is not 2018 anymore.

Bur realistically it's PvP so Rain can take 1 or 2 games.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-27 10:56:41
April 27 2025 10:55 GMT
#195
On April 26 2025 23:38 TMNT wrote:
I hope Snow 4-0 Rain so that people can have a wake up call that this is not 2018 anymore.

Bur realistically it's PvP so Rain can take 1 or 2 games.

SnOw has had the best pvp by miles for a few years now. I will die on this hill. SnOw vs soulkey semis! Will soulkey eliminate snow again??? Soulkey has been stealing snows championships for years now.
JDON MY SOUL!
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2173 Posts
April 27 2025 11:05 GMT
#196
Maybe the BW Gods can be kind to Protoss for once and Rush knocks out Soulkey...
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey851 Posts
April 27 2025 12:24 GMT
#197
It isn't fall. Maybe next time.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5888 Posts
April 27 2025 12:25 GMT
#198
On April 27 2025 21:24 HOLYBATS wrote:
It isn't fall. Maybe next time.

;-)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44311 Posts
April 27 2025 18:22 GMT
#199
Ngl I really expected Mini or Hero to make it out 2nd in this group. Rush kinda just went ahead and smoked them.

That final game vs mini was such a strong push vs nexus first
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44311 Posts
April 27 2025 18:23 GMT
#200
On April 27 2025 19:55 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
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On April 26 2025 23:38 TMNT wrote:
I hope Snow 4-0 Rain so that people can have a wake up call that this is not 2018 anymore.

Bur realistically it's PvP so Rain can take 1 or 2 games.

SnOw has had the best pvp by miles for a few years now. I will die on this hill. SnOw vs soulkey semis! Will soulkey eliminate snow again??? Soulkey has been stealing snows championships for years now.

Snow has a real chance to take out Soulkey if they meet.

This aint SK ZvT which honestly looks unstoppable nowadays
this is a quote
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