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[SSL Autumn] Grand Finals - Soulkey vs Sharp
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less than 2 hours to wait !  SK fighting !! | ||
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 under "Matchups" | ||
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On November 02 2024 15:29 ronibez wrote: isn't that Rain in the small picture? under "Matchups"yes it is | ||
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Guys, what stream are you watching ? Official SSL stream or Flash/ JD/ Bisu etc ?? | ||
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I wish i knew korean  | ||
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Flash should have also invited him ! Imagine the number of viewers - same as Britney has | ||
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On November 02 2024 16:50 prosatan wrote: JD is streaming too! Flash should have also invited him ! Imagine the number of viewers - same as Britney has That would be pretty crazy. I'd want the entire stream translated, haha. I love watching the StarcastTV though. Nyoken and Eon always doing a great job. | ||
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1. This season is the worst one all the time of ASL and SSL 2. The map pool is the best that ASL, SSL've ever made 3. 99% players think they will win with cheese games (except Jaedong) 4. In Ro4 and Ro2, Protoss always is the weakest race unless the league there is an island map 5. From Ro24 to Quarterfinals, 3 race is the same regardless anything map, matchup 6. BO1 should be removed, it just makes low tier players are destroyed quickly by cheese higher tier players 7. SSL2 should have 3rd place match and the finals should be BO9 Btw, I think Sharp 0-4 Soulkey today | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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and now SK's 3rd gas is pretty much secured. | ||
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On November 02 2024 17:27 SCRVN wrote: Hi guys, I see some things in SSL1 1. This season is the worst one all the time of ASL and SSL 2. The map pool is the best that ASL, SSL've ever made 3. 99% players think they will win with cheese games (except Jaedong) 4. In Ro4 and Ro2, Protoss always is the weakest race unless the league there is an island map 5. From Ro24 to Quarterfinals, 3 race is the same regardless anything map, matchup 6. BO1 should be removed, it just makes low tier players are destroyed quickly by cheese higher tier players 7. SSL2 should have 3rd place match and the finals should be BO9 Btw, I think Sharp 0-4 Soulkey today no. | ||
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2-0 for SK | ||
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On November 02 2024 18:07 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Am i right in saying Sharp should have won that w/o that drop ship play. His army was better. He lost the vessel (which could have been replaced w/o the dropship), but he still had the advantage in a straight fight. Losing that vessel hurt my soul | ||
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he is ahead ! | ||
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prosatan
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at least he wont lose 4-0 ! | ||
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On November 02 2024 18:48 Vasoline73 wrote: Sharp is probably dead hes not in a great spot but not yet dead. Repair good unit. | ||
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On November 02 2024 18:50 Vasoline73 wrote: SK botches his attack fairly badly? Still ahead by 20 supply not really a botch, attacking into mech just doesn't seem fair | ||
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On November 02 2024 18:56 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Rain died for this I doubt anyone would have fared that much better, light was the closest and he lost to SK. | ||
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Burrow usage is also so cool and key to defend Terran harass | ||
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he won the opening phase imo | ||
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starport up and hydra den almost up | ||
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Zergxhx
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Edit: Ok, still 4:1 | ||
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Gorsameth
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Didn't have any doubt that SK would win this, Sharp gave it a good attempt but he was just outmatched. | ||
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On November 02 2024 19:27 NovaTheFeared wrote: Bonjwa? Bonjwa. I fully believe he deserves the title now. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On November 02 2024 19:27 NovaTheFeared wrote: AbsolutelyBonjwa? | ||
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Anyways, I'm just tired and ranting, but I just think that SK deserved to be labelled as such as this point for the 3peat. I would love to see him beat FlaSh in the Ro16 and coast to another title next season to cement my opinion though. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On November 02 2024 19:45 FlaShFTW wrote: In Soulkey's defense, if we consider the start of his ASL16 season, he has been the best player, both online and offline (or at least, one of the best online players since him and Light sort of alternate as top dog in proleague), since August 2023. That makes it over a year where he's been the best player in the world. Bonjwa has usually been given out once a player has crossed the 1-year threshold of being the undisputed best in the world, which in my opinion, he's achieved. I know the era is weaker, but we can't defined every bonjwa by the era, otherwise some bonjwas just wouldn't exist, like we can't say Boxer's era was a competitive as say Flash's era for example. But that doesn't stop Boxer from being a bonjwa. Anyways, I'm just tired and ranting, but I just think that SK deserved to be labelled as such as this point for the 3peat. I would love to see him beat FlaSh in the Ro16 and coast to another title next season to cement my opinion though. If we look at all events/matches registered on ELOBOARD Soulkey has been dominant since ASL15. Everyone was expecting Soulkey to win ASL15 once he made it to the Semi-Finals, but JyJ peaked out and played the best TvZ ever maybe. Soulkey's been near the best if not the best since ASL 15. Also I think this Era is stronger than Kespa. Players are older but have 12+ years of extra experience going through all sorts of new metas and developing all sorts of new skills and improving them. SnOw and Light are the only two other competitors who could've made a claim for Bonjwa status if they had been a bit more consistent in their ASL/SSL results. Outside of ASL/SSL they've been about as good as Soulkey since 2020/2021. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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The bigger question now is, he definitely doesn't need money now right? | ||
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On November 02 2024 20:52 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: Soulkey is pretty much Bonjwa at this point. Dude looks remarkably strong both in ASL/SSL and in the daily proleagues. Congrats to him. The bigger question now is, he definitely doesn't need money now right? doing the math I think he is on about 80% of his needmoney goal. Taxes, daily expenses, monthlies all slow down the progress. | ||
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On November 02 2024 19:32 BLinD-RawR wrote: I need one more thing to confirm bonjwa status, face flash next season in a series and beat him. I know you are just joking, in case you are not Flash is playing like an absolute trash compared to his standards, and has been for a while now. Right now, he belongs to K-league, at best. He should have get back in shape, at least a bit, as of now. But he hasn't. Remember me of a certain Tiger Woods in a way. | ||
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Sharp losing a game that was almost certainly won, the vultures running behind mins and getting caught, siege tank donations. It should have been at least 3 wins for Sharp | ||
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On November 03 2024 02:38 prion_ wrote: Fun fact: the last time Sharp and Soulkey played a Bo7 was the finals of KSL Season 2, where Soulkey also won 4-1. Nicee!! Good find prion ! | ||
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game 2: rooting for sharp, to give soulkey a worthy win. And what a razor sharp game 2, such a good game game 3: another nail biting razor edge game game 4, on kick back: Sharp bamboozles soulkey with a lack of wall, was that on purpose? Soulkey in return, great sunken placement prevents the vulture to roam for long, But then, suddenly it looks like there are no goliaths and soulkey hangs out in the natural for what feels like ages. Almost snipes the CC. Sharp showing is why not to click on the CC. THen at his move out, why doesn't he take a fourth? Why not splitmap north south? game 5: 8 rax cancel bunker y? Why does sharp cancel the bunker here? Can't hold it vs the lings? It took a while before they were there. He gets just one drone? The series felt closer than the score reflects. Prediction: soulkey will loose zero games in the top 4 of ssl2. | ||
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On November 03 2024 07:13 Katkishka wrote: but it seems like Terran players (other than Flash) literally cannot beat Zerg players, This is outright false. Soulkey is warping the image of Zerg, just as Flash did in the past ("tesagi"). Sharp beat Hero in the ro8. Barracks beat hero in the ro16. Light beat Jaedong in the ro24. Barracks beat Queen in the ro 24. Rush beat Sacsri in the ro24. Royal and Sacsri are tied 1-1 in the ro24. Sea beat action in the ro24. Other than Soulkey, the only ZvT match that ended with a Zerg advantage in the whole tournament is Queen vs Wico (1-0, ro24). | ||
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Ro24: 11/24 T, 5 Z Ro16: 8/16 T, 3 Z (2 from previous seed!) | ||
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On November 03 2024 07:13 Katkishka wrote: People keep talking about tesagi and how the maps are so Terran sided, but it seems like Terran players (other than Flash) literally cannot beat Zerg players, and only a handful can beat Protoss players. Heck, Protoss players can't seem to beat Zerg either. Congrats to Soulkey regardless, he played very well and definitely earned the championship. Zerg were just 7 out of 28 this ASL season, with Terran making up the most with 12/28. 4 terrans made it to the ro8, only 2 zergs... Honestly this level of delulu is pissing me off. | ||
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On November 03 2024 13:29 Galacsia wrote: Someone stop this man! He doesn't need more money! In an effort to stop SK, they have made anti-zerg maps this season. Ironically, this has helped SK, because other zergs were indeed stopped, but not SK, so no ZvZs, and we all know the only way to stop SK is ZvZ. If they make anti-zerg maps again next season, SK might achieve a four-peat. | ||
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On November 03 2024 14:22 Lazyer wrote: sk is too good he stole my lb points Lazyer did you went with Sharp ?? Big mistake , i am sorry ! | ||
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On November 03 2024 13:49 bochs wrote: In an effort to stop SK, they have made anti-zerg maps this season. Ironically, this has helped SK, because other zergs were indeed stopped, but not SK, so no ZvZs, and we all know the only way to stop SK is ZvZ. If they make anti-zerg maps again next season, SK might achieve a four-peat. I would've said so back in 2020/2021 but SK has since improved his ZvZ quite a bit and now is on even foot if not better than other top Zergs. | ||
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I watched the VODs and I may have skipped over the best parts cuz it looked like the most boring TvZ finals ever to me. I was hoping Sharp would surprise a bit more and get at least 2 wins. The StarCastTV VOD length already spoiled it wasn't going to be a close series imo. I like that Soop makes their VODs 5 hours or something like that, it eliminates knowing how much time is left. | ||
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On November 03 2024 17:05 Galacsia wrote: I would've said so back in 2020/2021 but SK has since improved his ZvZ quite a bit and now is on even foot if not better than other top Zergs. I agree 💯, but by nature, ZvZ is the most volatile matchup, build order and scouting luck plays a huge factor. Even the best Zerg player can't guarantee a win in ZvZ. Compare that to TvT. I think that's the essence of tesagi. | ||
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One thing for sure Protoss remains the shittiest race. 3 titles in 19 seasons, one that didn't really count (from Shuttle), one because they made a map pool that allowed 4Ps in the Ro4, and one because Mini lucked out with 12 Nexus. And before anyone wants to blame the players, just look at the number of Protoss champions during Kespa and in SC2. It can't be a coincidence in two games with a combined history of like 40 years? | ||
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On November 04 2024 04:16 TMNT wrote:one because they made a map pool that allowed 4Ps in the Ro4, 3 | ||
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You're right. I mixed that one up with the KSL with 4Ps in the Ro4. | ||
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On November 04 2024 04:16 TMNT wrote: Soulkey wouldn't have his 3 peat had Flash been active all these years, that's how Tesagi will live on forever. One thing for sure Protoss remains the shittiest race. 3 titles in 19 seasons, one that didn't really count (from Shuttle), one because they made a map pool that allowed 4Ps in the Ro4, and one because Mini lucked out with 12 Nexus. And before anyone wants to blame the players, just look at the number of Protoss champions during Kespa and in SC2. It can't be a coincidence in two games with a combined history of like 40 years? Of course there is no coincidence. The closest we came with map balancing is P being visibly the weakest race, and tesagi being very real. Proping P up created even greater imbalances. 20 years of mapmaking didn't change this, and it is a fool's errand to hope it eventually will. BW is imbalanced, period, topped also by one broken mirror. For balance, look at today's wc3 for instance. BW can only be balanced via a patch, i.e. it never will be, unfortunately. And well done SK, nicely played. Sharp is not top level T imo, his finals to me is reminiscent of royal. | ||
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On November 02 2024 19:26 M2 wrote: We need Rain going full time BW again and Flash back, otherwise SSLs looks like: who is going to get the 2nd place competition )Rain at his peak is not even close to Soulkey now. Rain at his peak is just Godmode PvP Above average PvZ Mediocre PvT Soulkey is literally godmode at ZvP and ZvT, and above average at ZvZ The only player that is close to these two in the ASL era is peak Effort | ||
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Effort OSL vs FlaSh SSL (SSL classic ) vs Free ASL(VSL) vs Bisu ASL vs FlaSh Soulkey: KSL vs Sharp ASL vs Mini ASL vs Hero ASL vs Sharp I honestly dont remember other players with such records. I know for Terran Iloveoov Also has a perfect win record in Starleague finals too with 3 MSL and 2 OSL. Actually in Soulkey case the record is not real when it comes to SC2. Just checked his sc2 liquipedia and he has many 2 places in Premier tournaments. For some reason i made up this story that he won GSL and quit sc2 LMAO. He actually won that GSL in 2013 and retired from SC2 in 2016. | ||
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unspecific quote to all those talking about SK Bonjwa status Jaedong did not become an ''official'' Bonjwa despite having won 3 OSLs in a row and having more premier/major tournament wins over Boxer and Nada, so why the fuck should Soulkey be one? All this ''banana champ'' talk is dull. On the other hand, only Soulkey and Rain are double SC2/SC champions in premier tournaments, so perhaps it is them who are to be considered true Bonjwas? Baaahhh... ANYWAY... This SSL1 was disappointing and the finals also sucked! SK wining this was like ''i am getting bored already'', ''another day in the office'', ''i wonder what kind of kimchi will my mom prepare for me this evening''... | ||
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edit:  KeSPA RankingJaedong had a 4 month period and an 11 month period of being ranked 1. but do note they played more stage games but way less games than are now recorded on eloboard. If we are to determine bonjwa on eloboard rating we would already have Light and Queen as Bonjwas. Queen was super highly rated on sponbbang before Eloboard. Light was performing as good as soulkey is now back in 2020-2021 in online play, famously winnning 11 ultimate battle rounds in a row and dominating in KCM. he sadly didnt win a title in 2020 and 2021. | ||
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On November 04 2024 09:10 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: it used to be about being the highest rated player for a long period of time, not about just the number of titles or the time frame. Jaedong didnt get his because while he did win tournaments, he wasnt the top rated player for most of it. Ill have to check again later. edit: KeSPA RankingJaedong had a 4 month period and an 11 month period of being ranked 1. but do note they played more stage games but way less games than are now recorded on eloboard. If we are to determine bonjwa on eloboard rating we would already have Light and Queen as Bonjwas. Queen was super highly rated on sponbbang before Eloboard. Light was performing as good as soulkey is now back in 2020-2021 in online play, famously winnning 11 ultimate battle rounds in a row and dominating in KCM. he sadly didnt win a title in 2020 and 2021. No, that is the tl.net definition after some dudes were making shit up to support their bonjwa argument. The original definition of Bonjwa if they are the overwhelming favorite against any possible opponent. Jaedong and Flash weren't bonjwas in 2007-9 since they had each other and it was arguably 50-50. Arguably, Flash was 2010 but then there was Effort. Boxer wasn't Bonjwa since there was his tvp. I disagree with Flash being Bonjwa. Even if he was the best player ever at this point and had the highest peak, and was favored against everyone, it wasn't as overwhelmingly favored as Savior against anyone in 2006-7. A bonjwa heavily depends on the competition as well and Savior simply didn't have any... Nada, July and OOv had each other and their 'dominance' which were at most very short-lived. | ||
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On November 04 2024 10:00 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote: I disagree with Flash being Bonjwa ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/MRZP10J.png) | ||
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even though this is from 2010, waxangel gives a great response to the whole bonjwa debacle. there is also this article from 2009 translated from FOMOS that also goes into the bonjwa vernacular https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/105232-korean-column-savior-where-bonjwa-starts-and-ends On November 04 2024 08:25 Artas1984 wrote: Jaedong did not become an ''official'' Bonjwa despite having won 3 OSLs in a row no player has won 3 osl's in a row so you should fact check yourself before posting bullshit like it is factual and making yourself look like a moron. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On November 03 2024 11:05 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote: Zerg were just 7 out of 28 this ASL season, with Terran making up the most with 12/28. 4 terrans made it to the ro8, only 2 zergs... Honestly this level of delulu is pissing me off. Yeah, it’s tempting to see a balance issue when one player dominates. I think it’s just a case of SK being really good. Sharp didn’t look like he had no chance, it looked like he had chances and got outplayed thoroughly. That drop in game 2 (i think) should have won him the game, same as that timing push that got crushed by that lurker flank. Let see if Flash can get back to his former glory. We need more star players, not maps that punish zergs needlessly. | ||
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SK just a lot better than everyone at the moment. Actually had a pretty difficult bracket and made it look easy. It kinda sucks we're not seeing much young talent come through the ranks these days. The scene feels a little stagnant TBH. It's the same players all the time and the competition hasn't been great in these big tournaments. Hopefully Flash coming back can reinvigorate things a bit. I'll always love BW but predictability seems to be going up and competitiveness down. Dunno how they fix it. | ||
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Lazyer
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On November 03 2024 16:23 prosatan wrote: Lazyer did you went with Sharp ?? Big mistake , i am sorry ! It was the only way to get ahead! with so many people betting on SK i could have risen the ranks with a Sharp upset! | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4100 Posts
On November 04 2024 04:16 TMNT wrote: Soulkey wouldn't have his 3 peat had Flash been active all these years, that's how Tesagi will live on forever. One thing for sure Protoss remains the shittiest race. 3 titles in 19 seasons, one that didn't really count (from Shuttle), one because they made a map pool that allowed 4Ps in the Ro4, and one because Mini lucked out with 12 Nexus. And before anyone wants to blame the players, just look at the number of Protoss champions during Kespa and in SC2. It can't be a coincidence in two games with a combined history of like 40 years? I dont disagree with this, however, Protoss had around 16-17 titles in Kespa era while Zerg 22-23 and Terran 25-26, It was something like this if I recall correctly which did not look that bad as a balance imo. I mean when we had more players, it showed the race strengths better. The 3/19 ratio that we have now is also due to dissimilar talent distribution imo. Again I do believe that Protoss should've had a balance help vs Zerg, but the fewer players pool with no real stable protoss player (perhaps just Rain when he was full time) made the gap too big. p.s. Honestly BW is so close to be in a really good balance state imo, even if Blizzard had just one patch and just buffed something simple like lets say the cannons, we would have had a way better PvZ match up and way better overall balance | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria356 Posts
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prosatan
Romania7702 Posts
On November 04 2024 16:18 Lazyer wrote: It was the only way to get ahead! with so many people betting on SK i could have risen the ranks with a Sharp upset! Ah , i see now ! | ||
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TornadoSteve
980 Posts
On November 04 2024 12:57 RowdierBob wrote: Pretty meh end to a meh SSL season. SK just a lot better than everyone at the moment. Actually had a pretty difficult bracket and made it look easy. It kinda sucks we're not seeing much young talent come through the ranks these days. The scene feels a little stagnant TBH. It's the same players all the time and the competition hasn't been great in these big tournaments. Hopefully Flash coming back can reinvigorate things a bit. I'll always love BW but predictability seems to be going up and competitiveness down. Dunno how they fix it. Well, lets be fair though. Barracks & speed are right there. | ||
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Ideas
United States8072 Posts
On November 04 2024 21:53 TornadoSteve wrote: Well, lets be fair though. Barracks & speed are right there. Yea I am incredibly impressed by speed in particular over the last couple months. He seems prime to do very well in 2025. Next SSL should be pretty fire with Flash coming back, and especially if Soma returns from military and is able to qualify. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
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iopq
United States876 Posts
On November 04 2024 06:23 Rainalcar wrote: Of course there is no coincidence. The closest we came with map balancing is P being visibly the weakest race, and tesagi being very real. Proping P up created even greater imbalances. 20 years of mapmaking didn't change this, and it is a fool's errand to hope it eventually will. We just had a video about it. Turns out, a few maps like Radeon are balanced already | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
His land force could not fight the mobility of Mutas at all | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12901 Posts
On November 04 2024 21:53 TornadoSteve wrote: Well, lets be fair though. Barracks & speed are right there. You're right about Speed, one I def forgot. Could include Royal and Jyj in this group too. But not really many players coming through from Z. Soma is prob the only notable post-Kespa Z to break through to the elite levels. P is especially bad. It has basically been the same group of guys since like 2007? The closest we've had to 'break through' P player is prob Snow, but he was around in the Kespa days - just didn't really hit his strides until ASL taking off. Anyhoo, without the money available and team house structures of old I get that it's pretty difficult to get new blood into the game. But it is making the game a tad stale that there is little to no progression of talent in the BW scene. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1010 Posts
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TornadoSteve
980 Posts
Nowadays, saying Sk is struggling zvsz is like saying Mini is dominating in pvsz. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 05 2024 07:30 RowdierBob wrote: You're right about Speed, one I def forgot. Could include Royal and Jyj in this group too. But not really many players coming through from Z. Soma is prob the only notable post-Kespa Z to break through to the elite levels. P is especially bad. It has basically been the same group of guys since like 2007? The closest we've had to 'break through' P player is prob Snow, but he was around in the Kespa days - just didn't really hit his strides until ASL taking off. Anyhoo, without the money available and team house structures of old I get that it's pretty difficult to get new blood into the game. But it is making the game a tad stale that there is little to no progression of talent in the BW scene. Larva? I think Snow had a pretty strong win rate even in KeSPA era, even if he wasn't winning tours yet. | ||
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Ideas
United States8072 Posts
Next best performing non-kespa player are players like Scan, Bishop, Huro, Motive, Zelot I think? Who are all still a big step down from the top players. | ||
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Ideas
United States8072 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On November 07 2024 00:06 Ideas wrote: As the season is over I think Minstrel definitely ended up being my favorite new map. It's created some awesome and unique games (especially in KCM). I really hope they keep it on for another season with maybe a few balance changes. 100% agreed. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands705 Posts
On November 07 2024 00:03 Ideas wrote: Larva was a B-teamer but never played a pro game IIRC. Soma is the only top player that never had a kespa license as far as I know. Next best performing non-kespa player are players like Scan, Bishop, Huro, Motive, Zelot I think? Who are all still a big step down from the top players. Soma had a license, but no team. Larva broke through as a top zerg but quit. Queen was already a top zerg. Killer momentarily broke into the top but then failed to stay there dropping to tier 2/3 zerg. Same with Action. Sacsri has been bumping against top level but cant break the barrier. Brain was going to be a new top protoss player but quit competition because he gets 1500 viewers playing fastest map. Ssinz was starting to qualify for ASL frequently but got himself banned from competition. he has the talent but never reached the top because of it. Ruin and Motive have been improving but too slowly and dont seem to have what it takes to break top. Rich has promising play but needs to actually qualify first. Rain broke into top protoss. For terran we have had Last, RoyaL, JyJ, sharp and now Speed breaking into top level. Barracks is almost there too. | ||
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goody153
44054 Posts
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TMNT
2481 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + doesn't look pretty for Flash so far But he came back with a 3 Port Wraith build, 2-2 current score Final score 3-2 Soulkey still won | ||
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
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