• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:18
CET 04:18
KST 12:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 101SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1820Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone I would like to say something about StarCraft StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Elden Ring Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 949 users

[ASL17] Semifinal B - Page 10

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 20 Next All
Recommended Games
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 1?

Yes (37)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

37 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 2?

Yes (30)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

30 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 3?

Yes (57)
 
98%

No (1)
 
2%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

58 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 4?

Yes (35)
 
97%

If you have time (1)
 
3%

No (0)
 
0%

36 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 5?

No (12)
 
44%

Yes (10)
 
37%

If you have time (5)
 
19%

27 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 6?

No (14)
 
50%

Yes (9)
 
32%

If you have time (5)
 
18%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 6?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] +
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 7?

Yes (14)
 
64%

No (6)
 
27%

If you have time (2)
 
9%

22 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 7?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
April 16 2024 13:02 GMT
#181
If the final has 3 players, we will have 3 zergs

I said Zerg is the best race but no one believes on me

https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:04:27
April 16 2024 13:04 GMT
#182
No need to be so dramatic mate. We’re all BW fans having our say on the game. Snow could give two shits what we think about his decisions.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
orth0dox
Profile Joined August 2013
28 Posts
April 16 2024 13:04 GMT
#183
This was best match so far in all the bracket, was expecting comments to appreciate amazing games we just saw, but instead its all about incoming zvz rant D:
I'd about about you guys, but i would gladly prefer one good series instead of bunch of mediocre ones. Soulkey delivered just that and i'm grateful for him.
Bless the machine god, for he has given us tanks in plenty
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6794 Posts
April 16 2024 13:04 GMT
#184
On April 16 2024 22:02 bovienchien wrote:
If the final has 3 players, we will have 3 zergs

I said Zerg is the best race but no one believes on me


No doubt not one believes you. Your map taste is terrible LOL.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:06:37
April 16 2024 13:05 GMT
#185
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
April 16 2024 13:07 GMT
#186
On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?
#1 Terran hater
kodecopas
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru17 Posts
April 16 2024 13:08 GMT
#187
no Last no Flash no Fantasy = Zerg dominance
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
April 16 2024 13:09 GMT
#188
On April 16 2024 22:07 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?

I’m waiting for the next JD balance whine :D
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6794 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:23:25
April 16 2024 13:17 GMT
#189
Interesting series. I think Snow could have won game 3 on Blitz Y if he didnt miss sending 3 workers to gaz at his bottom left expo. His Worker saturation was really poor at the mineral only aswell. He kinda played with handicaps that game and almost won.

It was cool to see Soulkey bring such an old school strategy on Citadel. I didnt see that build since 2010-2011. the fake hydra bust but with a main as backup. That said the hold he made was incredible. I wonder if Snow attacked too fast ? i really wonder if with more dragoon support and high templars and 4 reavers. ( Nony style vs Mondragon in TSL 2 finals ) could have been really scary for SK but it is what it is.

Im honestly surprised the game on troy ended that way. I myself have played vs Snow and doing the exact same build and he defended way better that situation. Im pretty sure he played Soma that build countless times and beat it aswell.
I think the biggest difference is that he didnt make many zealots this time to tank and to block to make time for canons to finish. Actually is true he made 2 canons in the main. Guess he was aware of a ling drop after game 1 ? He even made a dragoon so make me think he wanted to be prepared for that situation of game 1.

Last game Soulkey took a far expansion again. I wonder what the plan was. I think he played reactive after getting 5 lings inside the main. Dunno why Snow didnt close the wall but well. Sad way to end the series if you are a toss fan.

Another season where Snow is the top player in the world but cant really make it to the ASL final.

Now Hero vs Soulkey i think Hero is the big favorite. Better muta control. Better builds for zvz. We will see if SK can fight that.

Always that there is a mirror final it leaves 2 of the races fans with this arguments. In the case of zvz i wonder if they could reach a gentleman agreement to make it more interesting. Maybe 2 island maps ? maybe 1 game where you are forced to not use Mutalisk /Scourge. But you can use Guardians devours ? It doesnt really grants a sure thing for a hive tech game but the chances are higher. Anyway is crazy that the only 2 zergs that advanced to Ro8 are in the Final LOL.
Next season Mappool gonna be scary.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria490 Posts
April 16 2024 13:51 GMT
#190
On April 16 2024 20:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 3?

Yes (57)
 
98%

No (1)
 
2%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

58 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



This game is a must for anyone that loves PvZ. 30 minutes after the mid game constant nail-biting battles around the map where every time you would think Soulkey's macro advantage is too much for Snow and every time that assumption is just wrong. Snow's shuttle reaver micro is in another universe compared to anything anyone else is doing, unbelievable control. If it was any other protoss in this situation the game would have been over maybe 20 minutes earlier with a clear winner in Soulkey, just waiting for the tap out. Amazing game!
music is the best thing in the world
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
April 16 2024 14:21 GMT
#191
There's a reason why Snow's ZvP is <40% guys....
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 16 2024 14:27 GMT
#192
Fucking ZvZ.......
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
April 16 2024 14:38 GMT
#193
On April 16 2024 23:21 foxmeep wrote:
There's a reason why Snow's ZvP is <40% guys....


Oh lord, the whining from 1500 ~ 1700 mmr protoss begins! Deducing that zvp is imba just from ASL games and not on 1000+ games online. There's a reason why JD whined because online proleagues are major source of income and you can't ALL IN all the time in zvp when you're playing 1000+ games rather than 10~20 games. Notice how 8/10 were all ins. Zerg has to all in to beat protoss. If it goes standard protoss wins. SK held it through with his superior mentality and better gambling strategy.
Life is just life
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
April 16 2024 14:45 GMT
#194
On April 16 2024 22:07 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?


Below 50% win rate for zvp for this map pool with 37% rate @ blitz. Zerg is just a strong tourney race but gets severely weakened online which is the bigger issue because online proleagues/tourneys are the biggest source of income for them.
Life is just life
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 16 2024 14:50 GMT
#195
On April 16 2024 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
here we go more bullshit.

I blame you for this ZvZ final just saying.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 15:23:54
April 16 2024 15:18 GMT
#196
This whole gateway first with no cannons thing that Protoss are doing nowadays is looking pretty stinky.

And SoulKey kinda outplayed himself there in the Neo Dark Origin game, after defending the cannon rush he still went for his prepared allin and it cost him.
townhouse
Profile Joined June 2018
United States27 Posts
April 16 2024 15:30 GMT
#197
Felt like Snow had PTSD from that Blitz Y game and subconsciously avoided longer macro games thereafter.

On Citadel, SK went for a 2nd main base immediately, signaling he wouldn't mind another macro game, and Snow responded with speed lot timing into reaver bust timing - signaling he would.

Same thing on Radeon, except Snow responded with extra greed, refusing to put down a cannon in order to gain an econ advantage early and avoid the hive tech hell zerg later, only for SK to notice this and punish his greed.

Yet Snow's late game PvZ is actually one of his strengths, and his valiant effort on Blitz Y showed this. I think if he had the mental to be encouraged instead of discouraged by that game, things could have gone differently.

Of course Troy was just a pure mind game YOLO from SK.
"We're here on Earth to fart around" - Vonnegut
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2298 Posts
April 16 2024 15:46 GMT
#198
On April 16 2024 22:07 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?


EXACTLY
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
April 16 2024 16:25 GMT
#199
On April 16 2024 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
here we go more bullshit.

I blame you for this ZvZ final just saying.

Snow was always the better bet over sharp.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 16 2024 16:36 GMT
#200
On April 17 2024 01:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On April 16 2024 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
here we go more bullshit.

I blame you for this ZvZ final just saying.

Snow was always the better bet over sharp.

I know but I need someone to blame for this travesty now so I'm using you as the scapegoat xD
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Week 84
CranKy Ducklings53
SteadfastSC45
davetesta37
HKG_Chickenman13
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
21:00
Best Games of SC
Reynor vs Clem
MaxPax vs TBD
SHIN vs TBD
Rogue vs TBD
PiGStarcraft735
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft735
RuFF_SC2 204
NeuroSwarm 169
ProTech141
SteadfastSC 45
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 126
Shuttle 64
NaDa 54
Noble 13
Icarus 6
Dota 2
XaKoH 471
monkeys_forever247
League of Legends
JimRising 702
C9.Mang0459
Counter-Strike
summit1g9955
tarik_tv5198
minikerr27
Other Games
ViBE137
Mew2King58
ZombieGrub46
Chillindude45
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 1
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH106
• Hupsaiya 82
• HeavenSC 18
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 58
• HerbMon 37
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5258
Other Games
• Scarra1211
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 42m
IPSL
13h 42m
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
14h 42m
OSC
1d 8h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 10h
Replay Cast
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
OSC
3 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.