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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
April 16 2024 13:02 GMT
#181
If the final has 3 players, we will have 3 zergs

I said Zerg is the best race but no one believes on me

https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12999 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:04:27
April 16 2024 13:04 GMT
#182
No need to be so dramatic mate. We’re all BW fans having our say on the game. Snow could give two shits what we think about his decisions.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
orth0dox
Profile Joined August 2013
28 Posts
April 16 2024 13:04 GMT
#183
This was best match so far in all the bracket, was expecting comments to appreciate amazing games we just saw, but instead its all about incoming zvz rant D:
I'd about about you guys, but i would gladly prefer one good series instead of bunch of mediocre ones. Soulkey delivered just that and i'm grateful for him.
Bless the machine god, for he has given us tanks in plenty
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6512 Posts
April 16 2024 13:04 GMT
#184
On April 16 2024 22:02 bovienchien wrote:
If the final has 3 players, we will have 3 zergs

I said Zerg is the best race but no one believes on me


No doubt not one believes you. Your map taste is terrible LOL.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12999 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:06:37
April 16 2024 13:05 GMT
#185
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6102 Posts
April 16 2024 13:07 GMT
#186
On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?
#1 Terran hater
kodecopas
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru17 Posts
April 16 2024 13:08 GMT
#187
no Last no Flash no Fantasy = Zerg dominance
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12999 Posts
April 16 2024 13:09 GMT
#188
On April 16 2024 22:07 Highways wrote:
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On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?

I’m waiting for the next JD balance whine :D
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 13:23:25
April 16 2024 13:17 GMT
#189
Interesting series. I think Snow could have won game 3 on Blitz Y if he didnt miss sending 3 workers to gaz at his bottom left expo. His Worker saturation was really poor at the mineral only aswell. He kinda played with handicaps that game and almost won.

It was cool to see Soulkey bring such an old school strategy on Citadel. I didnt see that build since 2010-2011. the fake hydra bust but with a main as backup. That said the hold he made was incredible. I wonder if Snow attacked too fast ? i really wonder if with more dragoon support and high templars and 4 reavers. ( Nony style vs Mondragon in TSL 2 finals ) could have been really scary for SK but it is what it is.

Im honestly surprised the game on troy ended that way. I myself have played vs Snow and doing the exact same build and he defended way better that situation. Im pretty sure he played Soma that build countless times and beat it aswell.
I think the biggest difference is that he didnt make many zealots this time to tank and to block to make time for canons to finish. Actually is true he made 2 canons in the main. Guess he was aware of a ling drop after game 1 ? He even made a dragoon so make me think he wanted to be prepared for that situation of game 1.

Last game Soulkey took a far expansion again. I wonder what the plan was. I think he played reactive after getting 5 lings inside the main. Dunno why Snow didnt close the wall but well. Sad way to end the series if you are a toss fan.

Another season where Snow is the top player in the world but cant really make it to the ASL final.

Now Hero vs Soulkey i think Hero is the big favorite. Better muta control. Better builds for zvz. We will see if SK can fight that.

Always that there is a mirror final it leaves 2 of the races fans with this arguments. In the case of zvz i wonder if they could reach a gentleman agreement to make it more interesting. Maybe 2 island maps ? maybe 1 game where you are forced to not use Mutalisk /Scourge. But you can use Guardians devours ? It doesnt really grants a sure thing for a hive tech game but the chances are higher. Anyway is crazy that the only 2 zergs that advanced to Ro8 are in the Final LOL.
Next season Mappool gonna be scary.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria479 Posts
April 16 2024 13:51 GMT
#190
On April 16 2024 20:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Soulkey Game 3?

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This game is a must for anyone that loves PvZ. 30 minutes after the mid game constant nail-biting battles around the map where every time you would think Soulkey's macro advantage is too much for Snow and every time that assumption is just wrong. Snow's shuttle reaver micro is in another universe compared to anything anyone else is doing, unbelievable control. If it was any other protoss in this situation the game would have been over maybe 20 minutes earlier with a clear winner in Soulkey, just waiting for the tap out. Amazing game!
music is the best thing in the world
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2320 Posts
April 16 2024 14:21 GMT
#191
There's a reason why Snow's ZvP is <40% guys....
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 16 2024 14:27 GMT
#192
Fucking ZvZ.......
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
April 16 2024 14:38 GMT
#193
On April 16 2024 23:21 foxmeep wrote:
There's a reason why Snow's ZvP is <40% guys....


Oh lord, the whining from 1500 ~ 1700 mmr protoss begins! Deducing that zvp is imba just from ASL games and not on 1000+ games online. There's a reason why JD whined because online proleagues are major source of income and you can't ALL IN all the time in zvp when you're playing 1000+ games rather than 10~20 games. Notice how 8/10 were all ins. Zerg has to all in to beat protoss. If it goes standard protoss wins. SK held it through with his superior mentality and better gambling strategy.
Life is just life
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
April 16 2024 14:45 GMT
#194
On April 16 2024 22:07 Highways wrote:
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On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?


Below 50% win rate for zvp for this map pool with 37% rate @ blitz. Zerg is just a strong tourney race but gets severely weakened online which is the bigger issue because online proleagues/tourneys are the biggest source of income for them.
Life is just life
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 16 2024 14:50 GMT
#195
On April 16 2024 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
here we go more bullshit.

I blame you for this ZvZ final just saying.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-16 15:23:54
April 16 2024 15:18 GMT
#196
This whole gateway first with no cannons thing that Protoss are doing nowadays is looking pretty stinky.

And SoulKey kinda outplayed himself there in the Neo Dark Origin game, after defending the cannon rush he still went for his prepared allin and it cost him.
townhouse
Profile Joined June 2018
United States25 Posts
April 16 2024 15:30 GMT
#197
Felt like Snow had PTSD from that Blitz Y game and subconsciously avoided longer macro games thereafter.

On Citadel, SK went for a 2nd main base immediately, signaling he wouldn't mind another macro game, and Snow responded with speed lot timing into reaver bust timing - signaling he would.

Same thing on Radeon, except Snow responded with extra greed, refusing to put down a cannon in order to gain an econ advantage early and avoid the hive tech hell zerg later, only for SK to notice this and punish his greed.

Yet Snow's late game PvZ is actually one of his strengths, and his valiant effort on Blitz Y showed this. I think if he had the mental to be encouraged instead of discouraged by that game, things could have gone differently.

Of course Troy was just a pure mind game YOLO from SK.
"We're here on Earth to fart around" - Vonnegut
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2230 Posts
April 16 2024 15:46 GMT
#198
On April 16 2024 22:07 Highways wrote:
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On April 16 2024 22:05 RowdierBob wrote:
Pretty sick run from SK this ASL. Has now taken out Snow, Mini and Bisu.

Protoss killer.


Isn't every Zerg a Protoss killer?


EXACTLY
StarCraft & Audax Italiano
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49995 Posts
April 16 2024 16:25 GMT
#199
On April 16 2024 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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On April 16 2024 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
here we go more bullshit.

I blame you for this ZvZ final just saying.

Snow was always the better bet over sharp.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 16 2024 16:36 GMT
#200
On April 17 2024 01:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2024 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On April 16 2024 21:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
here we go more bullshit.

I blame you for this ZvZ final just saying.

Snow was always the better bet over sharp.

I know but I need someone to blame for this travesty now so I'm using you as the scapegoat xD
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
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