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Zerg is a total garbage way of living. To paraphrase Jaedong "Zerg what the fuck?"
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*barf*
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Norway25712 Posts
I mean, I'm still gonna watch the finals, I'm just gonna be salty about it.
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Kim Min Cheol reallllly needs that money!
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To all of you deniers of reality, enjoy ZvZ final. I hope the fans boycott it so hard. I certainly will.
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so much protoss salt in TL lol
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ASLs take way too long to start then we end up with a shit final nobody will watch lol
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On April 16 2024 21:36 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 21:31 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:28 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:26 RowdierBob wrote:
I just don’t get that build from Snow. Like you have to be so certain he’s going muta there or you die to hydra or lurk. He has to play safer there after scouting the early Lair and instead goes 2 gate cair -_- No, SK forced a gamble. Snow had no way of knowing what he should do. If he guesses right he wins, if he guesses wrong he loses. It's roughly 50/50. I disagree a tad here. I think he can afford to be a bit more conservative and cover both muta and lurk all-in in this spot. He knows it a 2 base all in of some sort. Instead of just defending he guesses muta, goes 2 gate cair and makes it a coin flip game. Troy is pretty heavily P favoured. I think snow can afford to be way more defensive there after the lair scout. Trust me, Snow knows this scenario a lot better than anyone here. If he could've increased his odds by playing a "solid build", he would've done it. There was no solid build option. You should have more trust in this man, he plays protoss for a living at the absolute highest level.
He gambled on muta. You don’t need to be a BW savant here to see what happened. If invests in a few more cannons and not aggressive dbl stargate he prob wins.
I can only think he maybe thinks SK is doing a fake out all in and transitioning into more macro play. Regardless, Snow took the riskier option and it cost him
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I enjoy all matches! zvz , pvp , random , fast maps etc..
let's be happy because we have them !!
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After listening to zergs crying about some fantasy-land disadvantages for months and years you can expect it will be at least salt, probably also pepper that I'll try to rub into others wounds
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On April 16 2024 21:41 Rainalcar wrote:
To all of you deniers of reality, enjoy ZvZ final. I hope the fans boycott it so hard. I certainly will.
I will not watch because I'm just not interested at all.
I'll check who won and that's it.
Bummer.
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On April 16 2024 21:41 ggsimida wrote:
so much protoss salt in TL lol
As a former Z player I’m happy to see Zergs do well but will also be the first to cry at how dull ZvZ is to watch.
4-7 games of intense ling and muta micro is fine, but mirror matchups just aren’t as exciting in finals 
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On April 16 2024 21:41 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 21:36 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:31 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:28 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:26 RowdierBob wrote:
I just don’t get that build from Snow. Like you have to be so certain he’s going muta there or you die to hydra or lurk. He has to play safer there after scouting the early Lair and instead goes 2 gate cair -_- No, SK forced a gamble. Snow had no way of knowing what he should do. If he guesses right he wins, if he guesses wrong he loses. It's roughly 50/50. I disagree a tad here. I think he can afford to be a bit more conservative and cover both muta and lurk all-in in this spot. He knows it a 2 base all in of some sort. Instead of just defending he guesses muta, goes 2 gate cair and makes it a coin flip game. Troy is pretty heavily P favoured. I think snow can afford to be way more defensive there after the lair scout. Trust me, Snow knows this scenario a lot better than anyone here. If he could've increased his odds by playing a "solid build", he would've done it. There was no solid build option. You should have more trust in this man, he plays protoss for a living at the absolute highest level. He gambled on muta. You don’t need to be a BW savant here to see what happened. If invests in a few more cannons and not aggressive dbl stargate he prob wins. I can only think he maybe thinks SK is doing a fake out all in and transitioning into more macro play. Regardless, Snow took the riskier option and it cost him
You're arguing against Snow, not against me, do you realize that?
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On April 16 2024 21:41 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 21:36 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:31 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:28 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:26 RowdierBob wrote:
I just don’t get that build from Snow. Like you have to be so certain he’s going muta there or you die to hydra or lurk. He has to play safer there after scouting the early Lair and instead goes 2 gate cair -_- No, SK forced a gamble. Snow had no way of knowing what he should do. If he guesses right he wins, if he guesses wrong he loses. It's roughly 50/50. I disagree a tad here. I think he can afford to be a bit more conservative and cover both muta and lurk all-in in this spot. He knows it a 2 base all in of some sort. Instead of just defending he guesses muta, goes 2 gate cair and makes it a coin flip game. Troy is pretty heavily P favoured. I think snow can afford to be way more defensive there after the lair scout. Trust me, Snow knows this scenario a lot better than anyone here. If he could've increased his odds by playing a "solid build", he would've done it. There was no solid build option. You should have more trust in this man, he plays protoss for a living at the absolute highest level. He gambled on muta. You don’t need to be a BW savant here to see what happened. If invests in a few more cannons and not aggressive dbl stargate he prob wins. I can only think he maybe thinks SK is doing a fake out all in and transitioning into more macro play. Regardless, Snow took the riskier option and it cost him
It's not a gamble. It's taking the best educated guess. Air superiority is super important on Troy. And because the nat is on high ground, Hydra bust is not popular. He even built 2 Cannons in the main to prevent drops. As I already said before, at this level they can't play the kind of build that guarantees safety in all cases. That is ladder level of play.
Prior to the bust Snow moved his units out a bit and saw a lot of Lings and at that point he knew it was Ling Lurker all in. That is as good as it gets when it comes to obtaining information and reacting to the situations. Blind building more than 2 cannons just for a just in case situation doesn't exist at top level.
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Rather watch SC2 than a ZvZ final
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On April 16 2024 21:49 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 21:41 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:36 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:31 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:28 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:26 RowdierBob wrote:
I just don’t get that build from Snow. Like you have to be so certain he’s going muta there or you die to hydra or lurk. He has to play safer there after scouting the early Lair and instead goes 2 gate cair -_- No, SK forced a gamble. Snow had no way of knowing what he should do. If he guesses right he wins, if he guesses wrong he loses. It's roughly 50/50. I disagree a tad here. I think he can afford to be a bit more conservative and cover both muta and lurk all-in in this spot. He knows it a 2 base all in of some sort. Instead of just defending he guesses muta, goes 2 gate cair and makes it a coin flip game. Troy is pretty heavily P favoured. I think snow can afford to be way more defensive there after the lair scout. Trust me, Snow knows this scenario a lot better than anyone here. If he could've increased his odds by playing a "solid build", he would've done it. There was no solid build option. You should have more trust in this man, he plays protoss for a living at the absolute highest level. He gambled on muta. You don’t need to be a BW savant here to see what happened. If invests in a few more cannons and not aggressive dbl stargate he prob wins. I can only think he maybe thinks SK is doing a fake out all in and transitioning into more macro play. Regardless, Snow took the riskier option and it cost him You're arguing against Snow, not against me, do you realize that?
Eh, snows not here to share his thought process so we’re just speculating.
But once he scouts the quick lair there’s really three options: quick muta, quick lurker, fake all in into macro play. Dbl gate cair does well against muta and fake out but near auto loss to lurker. More cannon crushes the all ins but not so great if SK does a fake out.
If the more learned players have a more accurate opinion I’ll wear it but I still think with the map advantage Protoss has on Troy that snow could’ve taken the more conservative approach to that game.
But it’s all easy in hindsight.
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On April 16 2024 21:52 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2024 21:41 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:36 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:31 RowdierBob wrote:On April 16 2024 21:28 Magic Powers wrote:On April 16 2024 21:26 RowdierBob wrote:
I just don’t get that build from Snow. Like you have to be so certain he’s going muta there or you die to hydra or lurk. He has to play safer there after scouting the early Lair and instead goes 2 gate cair -_- No, SK forced a gamble. Snow had no way of knowing what he should do. If he guesses right he wins, if he guesses wrong he loses. It's roughly 50/50. I disagree a tad here. I think he can afford to be a bit more conservative and cover both muta and lurk all-in in this spot. He knows it a 2 base all in of some sort. Instead of just defending he guesses muta, goes 2 gate cair and makes it a coin flip game. Troy is pretty heavily P favoured. I think snow can afford to be way more defensive there after the lair scout. Trust me, Snow knows this scenario a lot better than anyone here. If he could've increased his odds by playing a "solid build", he would've done it. There was no solid build option. You should have more trust in this man, he plays protoss for a living at the absolute highest level. He gambled on muta. You don’t need to be a BW savant here to see what happened. If invests in a few more cannons and not aggressive dbl stargate he prob wins. I can only think he maybe thinks SK is doing a fake out all in and transitioning into more macro play. Regardless, Snow took the riskier option and it cost him It's not a gamble. It's taking the best educated guess. Air superiority is super important on Troy. And because the nat is on high ground, Hydra bust is not popular. He even built 2 Cannons in the main to prevent drops. As I already said before, at this level they can't play the kind of build that guarantees safety in all cases. That is ladder level of play. Prior to the bust Snow moved his units out a bit and saw a lot of Lings and at that point he knew it was Ling Lurker all in. That is as good as it gets when it comes to obtaining information and reacting to the situations. Blind building more than 2 cannons just for a just in case situation doesn't exist at top level.
Early/slow drop is not an option with the layout of Troy. The main cannons and double gate all pointed to Snow gambling on a muta all in. He only built cannons at front after SK flashes all the lings and he realised (too late) what was up.
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This is getting dumb. Snow lost fair and square and he played extremely well. No reason to argue with someone who's fifty leagues below Snow (because lets face it, everyone in this thread is a newbie compared to Snow). Nobody here has the credentials to criticize Snow's decision to go for dual stargate.
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