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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
On May 07 2023 05:49 Malongo wrote: It's about throwing bases all around, Blue Storm was interesting because your third gas was far away and this increased the importance of the middle bases. My goal with sandstorm was to make a comfortable standard map, with a classic citrus zest. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
2. (4) Lights Out | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
32 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +  Hi guys, sorry for disappearing for a couple of days, i had fever and i was in bed. I don't remember my TL password so i couldnt post any comment from my phone. "this new accounts are voting for that "peruvian guy"... haha it sound like "Testbug is not a talented mapper... he created fake accounts to win the competition fraudulently  Hey guys, do you want to know who is Conan1? On May 05 2023 23:46 Conan1 wrote: 1.- Paranoid Android XXL 2.- Lights Out He is the best Zerg player in Latam. Runnerup of from the LatinAmerican Cup  Copa Latinoamericana/1![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/m62UdsK.png) Who do i know it's him? ...because today i sent him a PM asking if that's him or not: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/brFfgMu.png) Who is Daliz? On May 05 2023 23:24 Daliz wrote: 1.- Paranoid Android XXL 2.- Sand Storm Vamos Test ! Oh, she is a peruvian female streamer (https://www.facebook.com/DalizGamer). She is also the organizer of the female StarCraft Cup (on-site). Different female players from different countries are traveling to Perú for this tournament. Guess who is paying for the prize pool and per diem for the female players? the community! They don't neet to "steal" the NWMC3 prize pool because the StarCraft Community is composed of adults, and the community members can crowfund anything they want. We participated crowfundeding BSL and Latin American Cup! On May 06 2023 15:31 M3t4PhYzX wrote: wow, so many new accounts and they all vote for the same map made by a Peruvian dude as #1 pick? this doesn't look suspicious AT ALL..  I find this comment offensive. I've been working for years building my personal brand «Testbug» as a reputable name. Do you want to know who are the last people voting for my map? I can make a list for you:
Let me tell you one more thing: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Mivjfm1.png) This peruvian guy map was also the most voted map in the preivous round... And this peruvian guy have been mapping since 2006... and this peruvian guy has won a dozen of mapping competitions in the last 17 years... I don't want it to look like I'm bragging. I just feel proud of this. I didn't know about this new rule because i was in bed (I have a fever right now), and i think this rule is a good thing! just let me know if you want Daliz and Conan to edit their posts and paste their bnet tags, or if i can provide them (i know their tags). Last question: why are they creating their accounts today? I've been talking to many LATAM players since the 1st round of the competition and 2nd round of the competition but they didn't create their accounts and they didn't vote. This time, i contacted them again. The big difference is that this time:
I didn't ask thenm to explicitly vote for my map. I usualy say something like "your vote is important for the mapping community" but i see some of them are writing things like "go go Perú" or "go go Test" so i will try to make sure they understand the message: vote for the 2 favorite maps on the list, regardless of the nationality of the author. Final words Please guys, remember that people from Latam don't have TL accounts (as you can see, not even Conan had an account until yesterday) and many american and european community members have a TL account since 2005 or 2006... So, this new rule can feel offensive for some players because It feels like an anti-latino rule. Whe i explained this new rule to them, some of them said "omg they are so xenophobic" haha. So... would you guys consider adding this rulle for all the users? instead of only new accounts? Latam voters will probably always be new accounts... let me show you 2 examples: Example 1: OliPatrick, one of the most important casters in latam, with 83,000 followers on facebook (www.facebook.com) didn't have an account until the stage 1 of this competition: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/CbOLvCd.png) and ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xOwG1fm.png) in fact, his only 2 posts are in the NWMC3 threads... he never came back to TL after that. Example 2: Jan, from RemastrTV, one of the most important StarCraft casters in latam, with 48,200 subscribers on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@RemastrTV) registered on january 2023 in order to vote in the 1st round of this competition: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pDBYB5w.png) and ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sb3cRSk.png) he has now 7 posts, but he was one of the few people who actually registered and voted when i contacted him during the first round. And didn't have an account at that moment. Most of the people i contacted didn't register. And if they vote in this round, they will probably have to create a new account to do that. Thank you for reading, i'll go back to bed (sorry but i feel super sick right now). I'm so sorry this new users made you think someone is cheating. I love this game, and i would never do somethig that can ruin this beautiful game, or this beautiful community. I find some of your comments a litttle bit toxic, and one of the most valuable characteristics of the StarCraft Community is the 0% toxicity. This community is not toxic, because we are all adults. And have more important things to do than cheating on a contest. Have a nice day!!! | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: I find this comment offensive. I've been working for years building my personal brand «Testbug» as a reputable name. Do you want to know who are the last people voting for my map? I can make a list for you: No it's not offensive, it's actually suspicious. I had the precaution and gave it the benefit of the doubt calling it a zombi horde instead of suspicious, but anyone is going to raise an eyebrow if 5 or so people come out of nowhere voting for x person. Nobody cares if your peruvian or any other nationality. On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: Let me tell you one more thing: This peruvian guy map was also the most voted map in the preivous round... And this peruvian guy have been mapping since 2006... and this peruvian guy has won a dozen of mapping competitions in the last 17 years... I don't want it to look like I'm bragging. I just feel proud of this. Then you know it is normal in the internet to look at this voting pattern as suspicious. On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: I didn't know about this new rule because i was in bed (I have a fever right now), and i think this rule is a good thing! just let me know if you want Daliz and Conan to edit their posts and paste their bnet tags, or if i can provide them (i know their tags). Well, its a new rule and it looks to be a good way to prevent any abuse. It's not like you would stay silent if I made 10 tl accounts and started voting the other maps right? Common sense man. On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: Last question: why are they creating their accounts today? I've been talking to many LATAM players since the 1st round of the competition and 2nd round of the competition but they didn't create their accounts and they didn't vote. This time, i contacted them again. The big difference is that this time:
I didn't ask thenm to explicitly vote for my map. I usualy say something like "your vote is important for the mapping community" but i see some of them are writing things like "go go Perú" or "go go Test" so i will try to make sure they understand the message: vote for the 2 favorite maps on the list, regardless of the nationality of the author. It's not like they are going to vote someone else if you are asking them to vote right? Let's be realistic here, this is more a zombi rally on you, which I think is ok as long as they are different people from the BW community to some extent. On May 07 2023 13:16 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: Final words Please guys, remember that people from Latam don't have TL accounts (as you can see, not even Conan had an account until yesterday) and many american and european community members have a TL account since 2005 or 2006... So, this new rule can feel offensive for some players because It feels like an anti-latino rule. Whe i explained this new rule to them, some of them said "omg they are so xenophobic" haha. So... would you guys consider adding this rulle for all the users? instead of only new accounts? Latam voters will probably always be new accounts... No offense to you but this is just ignorant nonsense, sorry. There just a lot of latam users here from waay back. Nobody is thinking this is an anti latino rule. Stop trying to play victim, grow up. Bottom line, just accept it's a decent preventive rule. I would have been the same if there were 5 new accounts voting any other map, it's not an special rule against you. | ||
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Abisgoes
2 Posts
2. Sand storm Mi ID de Sc es Magnar#11893. No soy un bot ni una cuenta falsa xd | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
This is why: =]] https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/videos/1160758978652983 Time: 39:52 | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
32 Posts
On May 07 2023 15:12 Abisgoes wrote: No soy un bot ni una cuenta falsa xd We apologize if you feel that we are accusing you of creating fake accounts. I hope you understand that this is a mechanism to prevent others from abusing the system. Translation of his message: + Show Spoiler + I'm not a bot or a fake accouont lol On May 07 2023 15:12 Abisgoes wrote: Mi ID de Sc es Magnar#11893. No soy un bot ni una cuenta falsa xd Oh but in this case, i think you don't need to post your bnet tag because your acccount is from march. I think only super new new accounts must provide their tags. Am I right? | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
32 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote: No it's not offensive, it's actually suspicious. I had the precaution and gave it the benefit of the doubt calling it a zombi horde instead of suspicious, but anyone is going to raise an eyebrow if 5 or so people come out of nowhere voting for x person. Nobody cares if your peruvian or any other nationality. > I agree On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote: Then you know it is normal in the internet to look at this voting pattern as suspicious. > I agree On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote: Well, its a new rule and it looks to be a good way to prevent any abuse. It's not like you would stay silent if I made 10 tl accounts and started voting the other maps right? Common sense man. > I agree On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote: It's not like they are going to vote someone else if you are asking them to vote right? Let's be realistic here, this is more a zombi rally on you, which I think is ok as long as they are different people from the BW community to some extent. > I agree. omg i might be casing the problem. But i always say "i'm not telling you to explicitly vote for my map" and i always say "please look at the pictures or download the maps, and choose the 2 maps you like the most". I will now write a laaaarger message explaining the essence of competition. And encourage players to vote regardless of the nationallity of the authors. And i will state that voting for a maps just because it's peruvian is something we don't want in this competition. On May 07 2023 14:37 Malongo wrote: No offense to you but this is just ignorant nonsense, sorry. There just a lot of latam users here from waay back. Nobody is thinking this is an anti latino rule. Stop trying to play victim, grow up. > I don't agree. I provided many examples of very well known members from latam who didn't have a TL account like Conan, Oli, Jan, Daliz, etc. I will write a detailed explanation in spanish for you: + Show Spoiler + Te puse varios ejemplos, ni Conan, ni Oli, ni Jan, ni Daliz, tenían cuenta. Seguramente algunos latinos tenemos una cuenta vieja, como tú y yo, pero la gran mayoría no tiene. Esto de la regla anti-latino no lo inventé yo, fue lo que me dijeron cuando les expliqué la regla. Me dijeron «ahh qué xenofóbicos jaja» y tuve el detalle de explicar que es un buen mecanismo para cuidar la legitimidad de la votación. Y no, no es algo que yo inventé para hacerme la víctima. Solo creo que se vería bonito si le pedimos el tag a todos en vez de solo a los nuevos. Porque casi todos los latinos serán siempre nuevos. Entiendo tu punto, seguramente la comunidad de los jugadores veteranos como tOsKY, DinOt, KiLLeR, Seifer, tienen cuenta en TL. Y seguramente también tienen los más veteranos como KNiF, Trunkz, KeiR o GoTuNk, pero puedes escribirle a cualquier jugador contemporáneo y verás que nunca han tenido la necesidad de crearse una cuenta aquí. Y en esta votación, estamos contactando por discord, twitch y facebook a los jugadores contemporáneos. difícilmente contactaremos a los veteranos porque no sabems dónde ubicarlos. Muchos de los veteranos ya están completamente retirados. Bottom line, just accept it's a decent preventive rule. I would have been the same if there were 5 new accounts voting any other map, it's not an special rule against you. > I accept the rule. I'm just asking if we can set this rule for eveybody, instead of just new accounts. If you want players to vote, we should add this rule to everybody. For example, someone who doesn't play, but only watch StarCraft, can't vote if his accoutn is new. But can vote if his account is old... | ||
Chosi
Germany1309 Posts
2. Paranoid Android | ||
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GonzaLoF
1 Post
2. Paranoid Android GonzaLoF#1865 | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1618 Posts
2. Lights Out DiDeK#2666 | ||
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bayesiano
1 Post
1. Paranoid Android XXL 2. Champion Sons of the manfinfla, my tag is: Bayesiano #11507 | ||
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zayfher
Peru1 Post
 1- (4)Paranoid Android XXL 2- (4)Lights Out Vamos testbug :3 !! Moriita#11368 | ||
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
On May 07 2023 23:25 Testbug[bwmn] wrote: > I don't agree. I provided many examples of very well known members from latam who didn't have a TL account like Conan, Oli, Jan, Daliz, etc. I will write a detailed explanation in spanish for you: + Show Spoiler + Te puse varios ejemplos, ni Conan, ni Oli, ni Jan, ni Daliz, tenían cuenta. Seguramente algunos latinos tenemos una cuenta vieja, como tú y yo, pero la gran mayoría no tiene. Esto de la regla anti-latino no lo inventé yo, fue lo que me dijeron cuando les expliqué la regla. Me dijeron «ahh qué xenofóbicos jaja» y tuve el detalle de explicar que es un buen mecanismo para cuidar la legitimidad de la votación. Y no, no es algo que yo inventé para hacerme la víctima. Solo creo que se vería bonito si le pedimos el tag a todos en vez de solo a los nuevos. Porque casi todos los latinos serán siempre nuevos. Entiendo tu punto, seguramente la comunidad de los jugadores veteranos como tOsKY, DinOt, KiLLeR, Seifer, tienen cuenta en TL. Y seguramente también tienen los más veteranos como KNiF, Trunkz, KeiR o GoTuNk, pero puedes escribirle a cualquier jugador contemporáneo y verás que nunca han tenido la necesidad de crearse una cuenta aquí. Y en esta votación, estamos contactando por discord, twitch y facebook a los jugadores contemporáneos. difícilmente contactaremos a los veteranos porque no sabems dónde ubicarlos. Muchos de los veteranos ya están completamente retirados. > I accept the rule. I'm just asking if we can set this rule for eveybody, instead of just new accounts. If you want players to vote, we should add this rule to everybody. For example, someone who doesn't play, but only watch StarCraft, can't vote if his accoutn is new. But can vote if his account is old... Spanish + Show Spoiler + No tengo nada en contra tuya, solo me parece desapropiado hablar de medidas anti latino y xenofobia. Esos conceptos no corresponden con TL y aunque entiendo tu incomodidad por la nueva regla y por el comentario hablando de "situaciones sospechosas" también creo que es sano para una competencia justa. Hay muchos jugadores latinos que postean en TL partiendo por la latincup y muchos otros que aparecen de vez en cuando, no creo que pedir información adicional para justificar la veracidad de un voto sea antilatino. Si de alguna forma tu conseguiste apoyo externo a tl me parece bien, de todas formas las cuenta nuevas todas tienen que justificarse, sean latinas o no. Por el contrario, si alguien se da el tiempo de crearse una cuenta nueva para votar por ti (u otra persona) no veo como sea más trabajo justificar que participas en alguna comunidad de bw posteando un tag. Como sea, el latino = nuevo no aplica. Exito. | ||
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maxwelldark5
1 Post
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4280 Posts
I just don't like this kind of voting promotion shennanigans. Would say the same if anyone incentivized his/hers army of fans to "mass" vote in any other voting contest, be it on YT, fb, twitter, doesn't matter. Not every top4 map maker here can just promote this contest to hundreds (thousands? I know LatAm community is quite big indeed) of viewers which will OBVIOUSLY vote for his map as #1 (because he is a part of the community while other contestants are not). So it's not like I hate the map or that I'm prejudiced against LatAm.. it's just that I find this kind of stuff.. distasteful. That's all  | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
32 Posts
Yesterday, a Bolivian streamer had more than 900 people watching his stream, and he opened this page, and showed how to vote. He didn't tell his audience to explicitly vote for my map. He just showed some examples from the top part of the page (and he read aloud some votes with the maps sand storm and lights out). The result: out of more than 900 viewers, only 1 people voted: maxwelldark5. But, guess what, he didn't pick 2 maps, and he didn't provide his bnet tag. So his vote is not valid. And... the most funny thing: the streamer who spent a couple of minutes showing the page didn't vote  | ||
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Testbug[bwmn]
32 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 08 2023 21:50 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Paranoid Android XXL sure is a pretty cool map, i've never said it is not.. I just don't like this kind of voting promotion shennanigans. Would say the same if anyone incentivized his/hers army of fans to "mass" vote in any other voting contest, be it on YT, fb, twitter, doesn't matter. Not every top4 map maker here can just promote this contest to hundreds (thousands? I know LatAm community is quite big indeed) of viewers which will OBVIOUSLY vote for his map as #1 (because he is a part of the community while other contestants are not). So it's not like I hate the map or that I'm prejudiced against LatAm.. it's just that I find this kind of stuff.. distasteful. That's all hejjjj M3t4PhYzX I don't have an army of fans. I contacted latinamerican caster and streamers to promote the voting. I guess it's true that some users are voting for my map only because it's a peruvian map... (but isn't there any small possibility they are voting for my map because it's a good map?) + Show Spoiler + I mean, i have won dozens of mapping cometitions in the past, and this is the first time member form latam are voting... furthermore.. even if you remove the suspicious new voters from this thread, my map is still the most voted (by TL users with hundreds of posts), and my map was also the most voted map in the previous round. I made sure these influencers are communicating the right message "vote for your favorite 2 maps" and "we are not asking to excplicitly vote for the peruvian map, just vote for the 2 maps you liked the most" but i think the latam community like to support latam users in any posible situation they can. I will now make sure they say "vote for your favorite 2 maps regardless of the nationality of the map" i hope this will make you guys feel more comfortable. But... if they keep voting for my map... how can i know if they are voting for my map only because it's peruvian or if they are voting for my map because they think it's a good map? =((((( + Show Spoiler + I mean, i already won dozens of mapping competitions where latin american members didn't vote... and.. well... i... i am supposed to be a talented mapper... I'm also the coauthor of the map (2)Champion, and i spent many many hours working on the map (4)Lights out (even if i'm not a coauthor of that map, the author can tell you how much i contribuited to it when it comes to design, balance, pathing, gathering optimization, overlord spots, low groud units vision, nat walls, signage for players, game mechanics, etc) and this 2 maps are also in the top 4 most voted maps together with my map (4)Paranoid Android XXL... so... maybe a map with me as the single author is also supposed to be good map?? and maybe that's why my map has been selected for the BSL 2v2? I mean... isn't there any chance people is voting for my map because they liked it the most? | ||
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Bulgaria387 Posts
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