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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 06 2022 00:52 GMT
#61
This is THE Bisu I missed long ago! I want him to comeback stronger next season and get into finals and win it before FlaSh arrives.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
April 06 2022 09:55 GMT
#62
What is sunken bug in last game?
BroodWar forever
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
April 06 2022 10:39 GMT
#63
Can I suggest Starcast TV youtube channel to not indicate the names and pictures of the players in their video please, some people don't get to watch the VODs until later and it automatically spoils the results for them.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4992 Posts
April 06 2022 12:06 GMT
#64
On April 06 2022 19:39 Dante08 wrote:
Can I suggest Starcast TV youtube channel to not indicate the names and pictures of the players in their video please, some people don't get to watch the VODs until later and it automatically spoils the results for them.

May I suggest you write them on YouTube about it?
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4992 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-06 12:29:44
April 06 2022 12:18 GMT
#65
On April 06 2022 18:55 Esp1noza wrote:
What is sunken bug in last game?

Sunken getting range it doesn't have.
Basically when a sunken is in attack range of an enemy building it can legally target (pylon for example), then during the attack animation of the sunken's tongue hitting the ground you can switch targets manually.

I forgot of the exact reasoning behind it, but I believe a prerequisite is that the further target you want to attack instead (Bisu's cannon in this case) is attacking something near the sunken, which is why Bisu was trying to micro his cannon to not attack the hatchery continuously, but at odd intervals, to make it more difficult for Soma to exploit the sunken bug.

Edit: If Soma's sunken killed that pylon that was (legally) in range, he could no longer exploit the bug to attack Bisu's cannon, so it's possible Bisu was actually spamming stop on his cannon to not attack at all. I'm not going to rewatch it to confirm or deny that though. Either way it was hilarious to watch.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about the bug.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2733 Posts
April 06 2022 17:42 GMT
#66
Wonder why they don't just ban exploiting the sunken bug in tournaments really. I mean, it's a bug.
Imagine if there were a Dragoon bug that makes them shoot as far as siege tank. Surely it has to be banned.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-06 20:03:57
April 06 2022 20:03 GMT
#67
That sunken bug is literally the Zerg defense to 80% of cannon rushes. Without it, most zergs would just gg by the time the cannons get up.

It's super lame.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
April 06 2022 21:49 GMT
#68
the sunken exploit should not be allowed in tournaments imo. I mean it should be fixed and/or bannable offence overall, but the game is long gone out of support, however, things like this(another example could be the flying drone) can still be ruled out of tournaments
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
April 06 2022 22:13 GMT
#69
i disagree -- protoss has the option to avoid it by just ... not cannon rushing.
Return
Profile Joined June 2005
Ivory Coast856 Posts
April 06 2022 23:09 GMT
#70
On April 07 2022 02:42 TMNT wrote:
Wonder why they don't just ban exploiting the sunken bug in tournaments really. I mean, it's a bug.
Imagine if there were a Dragoon bug that makes them shoot as far as siege tank. Surely it has to be banned.


dragoons actually can make use of the same bug, there was a gif that showcased it but its rare to get off in a real game cause of game state conditions, like its very niche in its use case and other than setting it up you cant really control it since manual commands override it
Diiiscoo-oh, thats where the happy people go!
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
April 07 2022 03:34 GMT
#71
On April 07 2022 06:49 M2 wrote:
the sunken exploit should not be allowed in tournaments imo. I mean it should be fixed and/or bannable offence overall, but the game is long gone out of support, however, things like this(another example could be the flying drone) can still be ruled out of tournaments


Wasn't the flying drone bug fixed ages ago? There might still be an accidental one you can't exploit, but the shift click gas one hasn't worked in forever.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
April 07 2022 03:52 GMT
#72
There's a thread on the sunken bug. It happens passively when your sunken is auto-attacking a lower priority unit (like a pylon) and gets aggro'd during its pre-attack animation by a higher priority unit (like a cannon shooting your hatchery) that's out of range. It's not even unique to sunken colonies -- it just comes up more often for them due to the long pre-attack animation.

Because it's passive and doesn't require the player doing anything unnatural, it would be a hard bug to ban. It would need to be patched instead.
My strategy is to fork people.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-07 05:27:49
April 07 2022 05:25 GMT
#73
On April 06 2022 21:18 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2022 18:55 Esp1noza wrote:
What is sunken bug in last game?

Sunken getting range it doesn't have.
Basically when a sunken is in attack range of an enemy building it can legally target (pylon for example), then during the attack animation of the sunken's tongue hitting the ground you can switch targets manually.

I forgot of the exact reasoning behind it, but I believe a prerequisite is that the further target you want to attack instead (Bisu's cannon in this case) is attacking something near the sunken, which is why Bisu was trying to micro his cannon to not attack the hatchery continuously, but at odd intervals, to make it more difficult for Soma to exploit the sunken bug.

Edit: If Soma's sunken killed that pylon that was (legally) in range, he could no longer exploit the bug to attack Bisu's cannon, so it's possible Bisu was actually spamming stop on his cannon to not attack at all. I'm not going to rewatch it to confirm or deny that though. Either way it was hilarious to watch.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about the bug.

Pretty close. I'll just add that the sunken bug is a natural reaction of how the game is coded. Mainly that attacks automatically prioritize things that are attacking. It doesn't require the zerg player to do anything special. The sunken does it on its own. This is why it isn't banned in tournaments etc.

Edit: Didn't read the above post by Severedevil before posting
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
April 07 2022 07:05 GMT
#74
Doubt.

It's still available because it's a tricky bug to fix most probably. Since imagine that it's part of one of the fundamental aspects of the game.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
April 07 2022 09:37 GMT
#75
On April 07 2022 16:05 oxKnu wrote:
Doubt.

It's still available because it's a tricky bug to fix most probably. Since imagine that it's part of one of the fundamental aspects of the game.

Doubt?
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