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Osaka27134 Posts
Awesome. Lets not turn this thread into the running sore the season 1 thread became. Good luck all gamers!
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you mean iccup season 2, not 3 
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On September 04 2007 21:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Awesome. Lets not turn this thread into the running sore the season 1 thread became. Good luck all gamers!
Let's hope the anti-hack does its job this time 
But, with the new system, it will be even more interesting.
MistrZZZ has joined the game
/an(is it /an? or /ah?)
Anti-hack disabled for player MistrZZZ
MistrZZZ has left the game
:DDD
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cut the mistrzzz crap already.
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USA29055 Posts
3 posts down from mani's warning >_< what the fuck?
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Funny is how he even quoted what Mani said and yet went straight for it.
anyways OT:
Season beginning in 30 minutes, good luck all! :D
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we need the iccup gossip it keeps things interesting
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Well, it will start at 22.00 if no tech problems. Lets hope not!
gl hf all..
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ya at the rate aka's are actually found the thread would die without the useless chatter propping it up.
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so LOTS OF GOSSIP THIS SEASON PEOPLE lol...
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
we should have a TeamLiquid section so we can post our AKA's too. The only people from TL.net that I've played on ICCUP is IntoTheWow, cuz thats the name he used
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so has it started??
and please thread creator make sure to keep your main post up to date!
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Awesome!
yea, lol nice Scorpion...
Too bad I uninstalled BW yesterday.
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On September 05 2007 05:39 Xeris wrote:
so has it started??
and please thread creator make sure to keep your main post up to date!
it was scheduled to open at 22 cet, then pushed back to 23, now theyre saying no definite time, but 'soon'
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On September 05 2007 05:14 CaucasianAsian wrote:we should have a TeamLiquid section so we can post our AKA's too. The only people from TL.net that I've played on ICCUP is IntoTheWow, cuz thats the name he used
Yeah I second this. Just like the korean, and foreigner list just have a TL member list and we'll say our name if we wanna be on it.
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hahah I like "who is who" threads. let the FLAME BEGIN!
I think this thread shouldn't be moderated (only bans allowed) like when Mani banned like 5 people in a row. that was funny. and the discussion is always funny because most of the time the guys here are discussing "e-penis".
Something like:
poster A) I have 154587 - 0 record on iccup.
poster B) You suck, you dodged koreans, in the other hand I have 154784 - 100 only because I played against 100 pros.
poster C) haha you guys are lame, who care about stats? play for fun nerds, btw I have 15748 - 250 record because I played with my off race!
Poster D: C sucks, he hacked against me! btw, iccup is full of hackers, i have 15748 - 500 with all my losses were against hackers 
:D :D let the flame begin!
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has there ever been a ladder season launched without problems in broodwar history?
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On September 05 2007 06:09 mcmascote wrote:hahah I like "who is who" threads. let the FLAME BEGIN! I think this thread shouldn't be moderated (only bans allowed) like when Mani banned like 5 people in a row. that was funny. and the discussion is always funny because most of the time the guys here are discussing "e-penis". Something like: poster A) I have 154587 - 0 record on iccup. poster B) You suck, you dodged koreans, in the other hand I have 154784 - 100 only because I played against 100 pros. poster C) haha you guys are lame, who care about stats? play for fun nerds, btw I have 15748 - 250 record because I played with my off race! Poster D: C sucks, he hacked against me! btw, iccup is full of hackers, i have 15748 - 500 with all my losses were against hackers :D :D let the flame begin!
That was actually pretty funny and precise :p
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mani asked not to flame or start shit....
lol at the guy who quoted mani and insult someone from hacking 1 post later... hope you get banned .
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Well in last moment we have some tech problems, and season start will be tommorow.
We working to fix it asp.
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On September 05 2007 08:24 Months wrote:
Well in last moment we have some tech problems, and season start will be tommorow.
We working to fix it asp.
aww seriously?
i was hoping to get a bunch of games in before school
=(
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Months is a reputable source I assume?
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yup hes an admin i believe.
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well reputable sources have said its gonna start every few hours since sept 4 00:00 moscow time, so take it with a grain of salt.
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What do you guys think of the new maps? IMO Survivor and Calypso look the best. Im not so sure about 8th wonder, but it will probably be better than Estrella
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admins were sitting in channel all day talking shit 21 cet 22 cet 23 cet 00 cet 15 minutes 45 minutes 1 more hr all lies
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whatever happened to wgtour?
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crooked, im sure 90% of the admins associated with iccup are pretty much just as in-the-dark about the technical issues as you or I are. Quite frankly they were just trying to keep a calm enviornment on the server, to avoid endless flames/questions. IMO I don't think any of them were "talking shit" in the least bit.
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On September 05 2007 10:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
What do you guys think of the new maps? IMO Survivor and Calypso look the best. Im not so sure about 8th wonder, but it will probably be better than Estrella
The maps actually look really, really cool. Survivor is gonna be hard for zerg against terran (WHICH DONT BOTHER ME ANY)
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Osaka27134 Posts
Does anyone have map images they can post here? Might be nice to add a little more info to the opening thread for people (like myself) who are new to the ladder.
btw, I will use the id Manifesto7 ... shocking I know.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Shine:
Calypso:
8th Wonder:
Survivor:
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On September 05 2007 11:18 eXigent. wrote:
im sure 90% of the admins associated with iccup are pretty much just as in-the-dark about the technical issues as you or I are.
Actually, that really is true.
Oh, and also, out of the new maps, I think Shine (the desert one) is my favorite. =)
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For once I think a actual Protoss favoring map was made in survivor.
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I like the look of the new maps. TvT on close Calypso positions looks to be laughable, though.
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Osaka27134 Posts
I look the looks of all the maps too.
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Unfortunately the chances of them getting played regularly even if they're motw are slim, when there's progaming and WCG maps in the mix.
T_T
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Osaka27134 Posts
Yeah, but I will get to play them because I dont ladder seriously. Steve and I might have to go bo7 on each one.
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yeah its just kind of disappointing that people would rather play maps like tau cross and longinus instead of trying something new
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On September 05 2007 14:52 Manifesto7 wrote:
Yeah, but I will get to play them because I dont ladder seriously. Steve and I might have to go bo7 on each one.
are you writing the battlereports or am i
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USA29055 Posts
do it for sigs / posts again !
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i'll be playing the new maps I think.. they look kinda cool.
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Seems silly that they put in maps that take such a long time to scout your opponent when there are so many complaints of cheese. Of the new maps, I'll only play Survivor.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
those maps are like...
that shine desert terrain map looks like azalea
calypso -> namja iyagi vs desperado
8th wonder -> longinus but slightly modified and on different terrain -__- lol.
and survivor is just scary for zvt thx.
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survivor wont be funny zvp either
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New York City13113 Posts
is 8th wonder an island map? i can find the ramp from main to nat, but nothing else on the high ground into the middle...
shine looks nice
also SURVIVOR LOOKS HOT THX
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8th wonder's an island map, yeah, and they all look interesting, but I'm zerg and I can't say Survivor is something I'd like to play a T on.
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It looks like Survivor will have similar ZvP to Azalea but with less room to flank in the late game. But unlike Azalea, the Zerg has the option of expanding only to his gas expansion and cutting off scouting so that the Protoss doesn't know if the Zerg is building up a 3 base economy or rushing to mutas. Also it should be easier for the Zerg to defend against shuttle based economic attacks than on Azalea.
Basically, Zerg just has to contain the Protoss long enough to get some sunkens down at the double-gas expansion. Judging from my games on Azalea, Zerg should have a balanced opportunity at doing that. Once the 3rd and 4th gas kick in, Toss has no chance. Toss can't expand fast enough to counteract the 4th gas in time.
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they said that yesterday, and the day before
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maybe they will start the ladder this week .. if nothing go wrong
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i will be using the ID 'beesuit' again
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I'll be using sMi.Aurious
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I will be QQ]I.L.K.-
That's an i.
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ICCup ladder will start in a few moments!! as announced. Time to find akas!
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SEASON STARTS IN 5 MINUTES STRAIGHT FROM ICCUP.YELLOANT
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Iccup Acc: iLLusionOfTime
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where? all i see are the new maps.
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On September 06 2007 05:33 MaRiNe23 wrote:
where? all i see are the new maps.
you dont get the new launcher off the website, you exit your launcher and reload it. It auto-updates
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well the server still down lol...
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ICCUP Account: SCC-Arcology
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Russian Federation481 Posts
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Im on work comp right now. Anything new with the launcher?
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launcher doesnt have anything new, just updated for the 2nd season. looks like the server is up for good now. they did a bunch of resets at first. so my mouse is broken and i've got a bottle of wine. let's see if i can go undefeated tonight ! ^.^
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BadReligion is 100% Target[LighT].
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On September 06 2007 07:27 Pads wrote:
what's that Canadian player, Target[LighT] i think, Z player, think he's BadReligion..
Target[Light] on Iccup is probably the real Target[Light]. ;o
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i'm pretty sure target used both accounts, i think currently target[light]
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On September 06 2007 07:32 HellAngel wrote:ToT)MYM[LighT] Possible Mondragon
no way :o
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On September 06 2007 08:03 NonY[rC] wrote:no way :o
You think well he is of above average skill level
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It's so great the the launcher has a No-Cd :D My damn comp makes a ton of noise when there is a cd in it.
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On September 06 2007 08:15 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote:
It's so great the the launcher has a No-Cd :D My damn comp makes a ton of noise when there is a cd in it.
the launcher from last season had it in there to as well as bw-launcher
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like anyone is gonna play the islandmap anyways
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Olduvai on iccup, msg me if you want to win
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
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iloveAlizee -- Fosken
[PDK]B.TeSTeR. -- Dreiven
NoGlory -- xLo.DinOt
Mirko_Crocop -- Burger
Mymacroisgone -- BringiT.ZhevZ
GeneralPortion -- AntiQue
WcgTrain- -- may be Draco, I'm don't know
mYm.Zerg -- Crayon
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On September 06 2007 10:43 iloveggg wrote:
iloveAlizee -- Fosken
[PDK]B.TeSTeR. -- Dreiven
NoGlory -- xLo.DinOt
Mirko_Crocop -- Burger
Mymacroisgone -- BringiT.ZhevZ
GeneralPortion -- AntiQue
WcgTrain- -- may be Draco, I'm don't know
mYm.Zerg -- Crayon
Who are those bolded never heard of em
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antique is some norway guy, dunno others
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burger = burgerzerg from last season? wasnt that squall?
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Antique is Norway A member, Antique[sl]
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On September 06 2007 10:43 iloveggg wrote:
iloveAlizee -- Fosken
This is not fosken, its mistrzzz, or shared account.
I had to quit vs him before 2 minutes cause i had to go. He immediately started bm on caps in the channel and said "u wanna call me hacker now" or some shit like crazy. He picked P vs me, not Z.
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you sure noglory is dinot? he said he was greek
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i'm not a mym.zerg. Did he say he is me? -_-
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Considering it's early in the season I doubt that any of those that he gave are correct.
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I think 90% of top 50 are protoss's :\
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On September 06 2007 13:13 HellAngel wrote:
Considering it's early in the season I doubt that any of those that he gave are correct.
yeah, can anyone back them up?
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"iloveAlizee -- Fosken
[PDK]B.TeSTeR. -- Dreiven
NoGlory -- xLo.DinOt
Mirko_Crocop -- Burger
Mymacroisgone -- BringiT.ZhevZ
GeneralPortion -- AntiQue
WcgTrain- -- may be Draco, I'm don't know
mYm.Zerg -- Crayon"
iloveAlizee is Mistrz.
B.Tester is prolly some unknown.
and WcgTrain- is dreiven.
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Poland4014 Posts
On September 06 2007 21:07 NonY[rC] wrote:replay of WTB18: http://www.duke.edu/~tjw4/WTB18.rephe might be someone good. it's hard for me to tell from 1 replay. he went 30-2 last season
very similar hotkeys to draco's pvp reps from wcg. (the only differences are: nexus put on 0 (but he never used it later on) and apm less by 30 (i think its normal when you play on lan you have a bit more apm).
ex. - early 3 nexus spam, 1 and 2 probes (like in same time of the game). 56 gateways, 7 robotics. very similar hotkey usage during the game too.
but i really doubt that draco would play iccup just right after season starts..
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
iloveAlizee = MistrZZZ
WCGTrain- = Dreiven
js35 = JayStar_cn
all being updated once the ICC site is working again.
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Magic~PhiL = faculty.PhiL
and saviors playing, i heard
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Sun TOP 1 !
he must be pro gamer ? what you guy think
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Poland4014 Posts
On September 07 2007 01:39 NeMoZorD wrote:Is blackman blackman?
i guess yes, look on details of his mid-long zvp's and zvt's. overwhelming advantage in resources tab.
plus that stats, it's high likely it's him even without a replay (but the question is- would blackman play on his real id?; )
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Calypso is (4)player map and 8th wonder is (3) player map...
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"Sun TOP 1 !
he must be pro gamer ? what you guy think"
hes prolly you, and you're about to masturbate, stop it.
No offence either, Im not an offensive person.
NonY could you share your replay vs blackman, or you didnt save it?
K, its real blackman its confirmed.
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day 2 and OP isnt updating O__________________O
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it hasn't been 24 hours since his last update yet. and i dont even think it's fair to complain if it's been just over 24 hours. if he starts taking 48+ hours then there's a problem. there isn't much of a rush at the start of the season anyway. once the good players separate themselves, aka's will be more meaningful
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mym.sen plays a mean protoss.
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On September 06 2007 06:04 Jonoman92 wrote:
ICCUP Account: SCC-Arcology
1v1 noob?
me go carriers pvp = win
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the sasuka guy in first plays like a mini-tempest
double expos and maxes ridiculously early and just keeps attacking off 10-11 gates
he doesnt know what to do if the attacks dont work though.
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On September 07 2007 07:32 IdrA wrote:
the sasuka guy in first plays like a mini-tempest
double expos and maxes ridiculously early and just keeps attacking off 10-11 gates
he doesnt know what to do if the attacks dont work though.
Do you mind posting a replay? :o
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nah sorry im playin on a smurf, i might put up a reppack after wcg if people are interested
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On September 07 2007 08:01 IdrA wrote:
nah sorry im playin on a smurf, i might put up a reppack after wcg if people are interested
That's cool. I for one would be interested in the rep pack
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sure a rep pack would be most welcome
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lies, triforceterran = artosis, idra, skew, you people called yourself that all the time
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On September 07 2007 09:43 IdrA wrote:
no, im not you also mentioned playing 2 of the people on triforce's match list in this topic
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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Austin10831 Posts
Why wouldn't you respect his explicit wish to stay as a smurf until after WCG?
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We just want to see the top guy's play style. Also, a lot of Protoss in the top 10 :/
Is it because Bisu is #1 on Kespa? :D Last season, it was like 7-8 terran and 2-3 zerg(guys like Fomos, etc). Hardly any(if any) protoss in the top 10 last season. Now, it's overflowing >_>!
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On September 07 2007 10:44 Zeenix wrote:
We just want to see the top guy's play style. Also, a lot of Protoss in the top 10 :/
Is it because Bisu is #1 on Kespa? :D Last season, it was like 7-8 terran and 2-3 zerg(guys like Fomos, etc). Hardly any(if any) protoss in the top 10 last season. Now, it's overflowing >_>!
the whole server is like 60-70% protoss, both seasons
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idra transferred triforceterran to DevilTheory
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On September 07 2007 10:28 BroOd wrote:
Why wouldn't you respect his explicit wish to stay as a smurf until after WCG?
this is the wrong thread for that kind of thinking
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OrientalBlue -- Koget
MYM)ToT[LighT] -- CocoA, may be shared
WTB18 -- Draco
LoveRaining -- Strelok
zalupoglaz -- Lyra.aQua
Feeble -- Dino[S.O]
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On September 07 2007 11:05 CultureMisfits wrote:
idra transferred triforceterran to DevilTheory
culturemisfits spent the last 30 minutes carefully examining the top 100 cuz hes a pissy little retard with nothing better to do.
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i dont know how any of you are figuring this shit out now. the sites been down for me for a while, and now the server is down too >.<
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On September 07 2007 11:01 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 10:44 Zeenix wrote:
We just want to see the top guy's play style. Also, a lot of Protoss in the top 10 :/
Is it because Bisu is #1 on Kespa? :D Last season, it was like 7-8 terran and 2-3 zerg(guys like Fomos, etc). Hardly any(if any) protoss in the top 10 last season. Now, it's overflowing >_>! the whole server is like 60-70% protoss, both seasons
If you read my post correctly, you can clearly see I said "in the top 10", not overall. I know there's a crapload of toss players overall(I played a shitload of PvP -_-;, but I meant in the top 10. There was absolutely no toss in the top 10 last season. Now, most of the top 10 = toss(maybe because of Bisu :D). MyM.Sen is an exception, but he's played more toss than zerg 
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On September 07 2007 11:30 iloveggg wrote:
OrientalBlue -- Koget
MYM)ToT[LighT] -- CocoA, may be shared
WTB18 -- Draco
LoveRaining -- Strelok
zalupoglaz -- Lyra.aQua
Feeble -- Dino[S.O]
where did you get that from ? -.- (wrong btw)
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On September 07 2007 11:37 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 11:05 CultureMisfits wrote:
idra transferred triforceterran to DevilTheory culturemisfits spent the last 30 minutes carefully examining the top 100 cuz hes a pissy little retard with nothing better to do.
i have alot better things to do than you do buddy, because unlike you i was blessed with good looks, and no it didn't take me 30mins, last time i checked triforceterran it had 8 losses then i looked again saw devil theory had 8 losses and the match list was almost blank. its not that i don't have anything to do, its just that i'm not stupid. pissy? im getting a kick out of this, this is in now way out of spite.
and what is considered something better to do? playing starcraft in your book?
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Didn't you two used to be friends?
What happened?
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On September 07 2007 13:17 MYM.Testie wrote:
Didn't you two used to be friends?
What happened?
i blame the who is who thread. it makes people break out in fights
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United States10774 Posts
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Ok, funs over. Back on topic lets go
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Hey guys, I've got this crazy idea. Maybe we should respect peoples wishes for anonymity, because they're obviously smurfing for a reason.
No, that'll never work.
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>_<.. IdrA read the past posts..
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On September 07 2007 13:17 MYM.Testie wrote:
Didn't you two used to be friends?
What happened?
You came in between them!
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On September 07 2007 16:07 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 13:17 MYM.Testie wrote:
Didn't you two used to be friends?
What happened? You came in between them!
Icky.
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Thats Who is Who ladieees and gentlemen..
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if i was idra and i wanted some privacy. I would share accounts with other race players ;x
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I will be using EiKo if anyone cares to know.
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On September 07 2007 06:25 ToT)ParanOid( wrote:
"Sun TOP 1 !
he must be pro gamer ? what you guy think"
hes prolly you, and you're about to masturbate, stop it.
No offence either, Im not an offensive person.
NonY could you share your replay vs blackman, or you didnt save it?
K, its real blackman its confirmed.
Blackman is your account imo. You are using the same hotkeys as blackman and the action distribution chart looks more like yours than blackmans. Style of playing, putting hatcheries close to eachother is rather your thing. Besides you're trying too hard to cover up this. :>
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i played zvt vs Han although i lost he didnt play that well to be honest.
i dont think he is someone known.
and cologne2008 who is #19 with 24-2 completely sucks.
he couldnt even walk out of his base once in a 17min game.
i really have no idea how he put up that good stats..
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On September 07 2007 21:27 baelrog wrote:
i played zvt vs Han although i lost he didnt play that well to be honest.
i dont think he is someone known.
and cologne2008 who is #19 with 24-2 completely sucks.
he couldnt even walk out of his base once in a 17min game.
i really have no idea how he put up that good stats..
han lamed me, he picked picked protoss at the last second and ended up getting zerg and 9 pool speedlinged me when I already had gone factory. That was bullshit.
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On September 07 2007 21:39 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 21:27 baelrog wrote:
i played zvt vs Han although i lost he didnt play that well to be honest.
i dont think he is someone known.
and cologne2008 who is #19 with 24-2 completely sucks.
he couldnt even walk out of his base once in a 17min game.
i really have no idea how he put up that good stats.. han lamed me, he picked picked protoss at the last second and ended up getting zerg and 9 pool speedlinged me when I already had gone factory. That was bullshit.
Welcome to ladder gaming.
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On September 07 2007 18:57 ZergRaptor wrote:I will be using EiKo if anyone cares to know.
make a reppack later in the season when you get to high ranks!
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blackman = kinslayer
2 replays is enough to confirm this.
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Poland4014 Posts
On September 07 2007 23:09 True_Spike wrote:
blackman = kinslayer
2 replays is enough to confirm this.
no way he did these stats..
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
Zhaohui = XiaOzi
LJT and him went 5-0 in 2v2, Zerg player from China.
Good enough proof?
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On September 07 2007 23:09 True_Spike wrote:
blackman = kinslayer
2 replays is enough to confirm this.
where to dl the reps?
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USA29055 Posts
greg you're the only one pissy here >_<
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On September 07 2007 23:27 CruiseR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 23:09 True_Spike wrote:
blackman = kinslayer
2 replays is enough to confirm this. no way he did these stats..
No way? Kinslayer is pretty good and underrated. He owns everyone in op tot) including me D:
And 30-1 isn't THAT hard. I had 45-3 a few weeks into the (last) season, it's all about who you play.
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On September 07 2007 22:59 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 21:39 Sadist wrote:On September 07 2007 21:27 baelrog wrote:
i played zvt vs Han although i lost he didnt play that well to be honest.
i dont think he is someone known.
and cologne2008 who is #19 with 24-2 completely sucks.
he couldnt even walk out of his base once in a 17min game.
i really have no idea how he put up that good stats.. han lamed me, he picked picked protoss at the last second and ended up getting zerg and 9 pool speedlinged me when I already had gone factory. That was bullshit. Welcome to ladder gaming.
Lol!
<3
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Nah, Greg has a pretty good point that who is who is kind of gay around WCG time.
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meh i dont really care that people are trying to find smurfs in general, they always do. hes just a retard with a personal vendetta trying to fuck with me, that is somewhat annoying.
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Kins is good, but definitely he aint great. He wouldnt be capable of having as good stats as blackman.
That blackman is the real one, and hes much better than kins.
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stats early season can be deceiving, if you choose or get lucky and play all bad people its quite easy to go near undefeated. in a day or two most of the bad players will start to drop out of the top ranks and it'll be easier to tell.
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On September 07 2007 22:59 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2007 21:39 Sadist wrote:On September 07 2007 21:27 baelrog wrote:
i played zvt vs Han although i lost he didnt play that well to be honest.
i dont think he is someone known.
and cologne2008 who is #19 with 24-2 completely sucks.
he couldnt even walk out of his base once in a 17min game.
i really have no idea how he put up that good stats.. han lamed me, he picked picked protoss at the last second and ended up getting zerg and 9 pool speedlinged me when I already had gone factory. That was bullshit. Welcome to ladder gaming.
please...
ive experienced this before and got banned on the wgt forums for it =[
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On September 08 2007 03:07 MYM.Testie wrote:
Nah, Greg has a pretty good point that who is who is kind of gay around WCG time.
Is it less gay to smurf your WCG opponents a week before the event? Unless Idra is respectfully avoiding any WCG opponents on iccup, then he's only smurfing to be secretive about his stats? I don't see how it'll make any difference on his WCG matches. Smurfing goes on, who is who goes on, WCG makes no difference.
oh and I totally gayed Cologne2008 so consider that some revenge for whoever lost to him :o
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nick saying greg has a point and then making a horrible one himself is a nice test of uncredibility there i believe. Who gives a fuck if people know someone is playing ICCUP? Did they hope opponents would take them less serious because they wanted them to believe that they were inactive or some garbage?
If anything "who is who" around wcg time is most interesting.
Anyways as greg said the issue is more that the dude evidently did it to get under his skin, not that it was done in general. For that I can understand. I too have my share of trolls following me around here, not fun imo.
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On September 08 2007 03:13 IdrA wrote:
meh i dont really care that people are trying to find smurfs in general, they always do. hes just a retard with a personal vendetta trying to fuck with me, that is somewhat annoying.
personal vendetta?
I only rat out your name because you're the only "known" person i've known and i can spot your id's. If i knew any other known players that i disliked i would do the same. You make it sound like im on this mission to fuck with your stupid bw life, i honestly dont care, but the little time i spend on bw i like to have fun and it is fun irritating someone who gets annoyed by the littlest things.
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just stop this. You are both kinda right and both kinda wrong at the same time and the discussion will lead you no where, at all. So lets keep on posting what this forum is meant to be for..
ICCUP WHO IS WHO.
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Geoff, your lan experience is limited.
I simply said these who is who threads are gay around WCG time, or any tournament time for that matter.
The problem with it is this: You're hammering out a build you intend to use during WCG. You're playing on the WCG maps vs a certain race etc...
Friends of the people you play, or they themselves will see what you're planning and prepare against it. This ladder is stacked full of friends of people who are entering WCG and the WCG competitors themselves.
For a hypothetical:
Say I started going nuts on iccup and played vs all zergs because I have all zergs in my group.
Do you really think I want Mondi or Reason seeing the off-gate strat I have prepared etc?
What right does someone who isn't even part of the tournament have to go off telling your competitors what race / build you'll be using etc?
It happens all the time. More-so in previous years. But it still happens to this day i'd imagine for an event like this.
I don't mind it the rest of the year, only when an offline competition is going on when people are actually preparing for it. This is IdrA's first WCG. And he'd obviously like to qualify. Saying his aka only adds one more frustration to the player and it makes their time feel wasted.
It especially becomes more true if you enter a lan as a heavy favourite etc.
I haven't started prepping yet, but if I do, I don't want people blabbing around who is who and what race i'll be using or getting curious and asking questions. It's especially dangerous for me due to my multi-racing. And it's pretty annoying to be quite honest.
The rest of the year, I don't care.
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On September 07 2007 07:19 statix wrote:1v1 noob? me go carriers pvp = win
pshh I take you down ez.
btw: I saw someone using the account Dino[S.O.] but someone probably just took his name?
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ahh yeah, just checked and he's 13-0 and in team xLo so yup.
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On September 08 2007 07:01 MYM.Testie wrote:
For a hypothetical:
Say I started going nuts on iccup and played vs all zergs because I have all zergs in my group.
Do you really think I want sAviOr seeing the off-gate strat I have prepared etc?
What right does someone who isn't even part of the tournament have to go off telling your competitors what race / build you'll be using etc?
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im sure savior dont care about your build order testie... im sure he would dont even watch replay of you either .
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leejungterran he didnt mention savior lol.
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omg i look stupid now , i have read only the quote from shallow[bay] shame on him .
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On September 08 2007 08:13 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2007 07:01 MYM.Testie wrote:
For a hypothetical:
Say I started going nuts on iccup and played vs all zergs because I have all zergs in my group.
Do you really think I want sAviOr seeing the off-gate strat I have prepared etc?
What right does someone who isn't even part of the tournament have to go off telling your competitors what race / build you'll be using etc?
The Bear is gonna come after you for that one
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Actually Dino[s.o] is using the account Dino[s.o]. In
feebles profile it said aka "MgZ)S.oO" but that was probably a joke.
linky
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
infinity21 on iccup too (if anyone cares ^__^)
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On September 07 2007 10:28 BroOd wrote:
Why wouldn't you respect his explicit wish to stay as a smurf until after WCG?
Because this is an AKA thread and he shouldn't be posting a bunch of info on players he's played if he ACTUALLY wanted to stay anonymous....either that or Idra is stupid as hell, which is not the case.
On September 07 2007 13:52 H_ wrote:
Hey guys, I've got this crazy idea. Maybe we should respect peoples wishes for anonymity, because they're obviously smurfing for a reason.
No, that'll never work.
Don't post shit about your games and account in an AKA thread when you want to "smurf"
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yeah, i checked it out after he said the couple guys who he played, and it fit, but i didnt post about it until culturemisfits revealed it hope it doesnt make you bitter, a reppack would still be cool idra
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I didnt read what Testie said but I know hes wrong. Anytime he tries to defend a point like that its just gonna be a bunch of "I know better because I did XXX" and "I know better because I played with XXX." I love nick but hes a huge name dropping / experience hound who thinks that somehow justifies everything. Fact is nick if people are so fucking scared about getting their name found out on ICCUP they should loosen up. Not spout off explitives on a forum where they get discovered. No amount of "lan experience" or practice time will have me thinking otherwise. Its not like by knowing their name I am somehow going to know all their bo's. If I had played against them and we were both smurfing OR they were trying to be a secretive dick and scout me without me knowing it thats the risk they run. If they REALLY dont want their shit to be known they shouldnt use the amazingly unelusive safeguard of changing NAMES OH NOES? WHERE DID HE GO? They should play with private gamers OR understand the risk of playing a public ladder. No amount of flaming on a forum will change that. Thanks.
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why are people still arguing about this? idc it was found, although i woulda preferred if it wasnt.
i was just irritated because culturemisfits is an idiot (for outside reasons) who only posted it to piss me off.
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I was defending anonymity on a public ladder. I don't really care about IdrA's case. He screwed his own anonymity. Your post is blatantly retarded. Clean that condescending shit pile up and don't attempt to troll me by making yourself look like a huge douche in the process.
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On September 08 2007 22:51 CultureMisfits wrote:
hey at least i learned to put more important things before starcraft and take care of myself instead of letting myself go playing starcraft all day. tell me whos more of an idiot. you have one life and you choose to put starcraft on top. For that, i am a genius compared to you
For that, you're a tool.
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On September 08 2007 22:54 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2007 22:51 CultureMisfits wrote:
hey at least i learned to put more important things before starcraft and take care of myself instead of letting myself go playing starcraft all day. tell me whos more of an idiot. you have one life and you choose to put starcraft on top. For that, i am a genius compared to you For that, you're a tool.
yes i am a tool
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On September 08 2007 22:51 CultureMisfits wrote:
hey at least i learned to put more important things before starcraft and take care of myself instead of letting myself go playing starcraft all day. tell me whos more of an idiot. you have one life and you choose to put starcraft on top. For that, i am a genius compared to you
newbies who spend all day on forums telling people that they are big nerds or whatnot is worse then playing sc all day i think.
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yea i spend all day on forums, caught me on that one
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
you dont have to post every moment to be spending all day on forum. the fact that you are sitting here spamming refresh at 10 in the morning and instantly reply to my post shows me that you are in no position whatsoever to make fun of idra.
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On September 08 2007 22:51 CultureMisfits wrote:
hey at least i learned to put more important things before starcraft and take care of myself instead of letting myself go playing starcraft all day. tell me whos more of an idiot. you have one life and you choose to put starcraft on top. For that, i am a genius compared to you
I'm way cooler than you in real life. My gf is hot and I bet I have a larger dick :O!
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exactly.. its 10 am in the morning and i'm eating breakfast doing some homework and typing this garbage. wtf else is their to do at a 10 am in the morning. No position? i dont let myself go to the point of looking like a disease.
wow looks like i have the whole sc posse after my ass now. Considering i was just defending myself to someone who's constantly insulting me with immature insults such as "idiot and retard"
edit: intrigue I made fun of ONE person, the fact that everyone took it at as an insult to themselves says something. And ive had this name since what.. feb 2004, and i have 1/3 posts you do. I admit i was wrong in the past to obbessed with sc but i learned from my mistakes.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
shit, making fun of people for playing starcraft on a forum dedicated to progaming (where you have 1k+ posts)
ahahha
edit response: of course people will take it personally, we all play starcraft here. is that unreasonable?
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I think Culture needs a hug...
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On September 08 2007 18:41 MYM.Testie wrote:
I was defending anonymity on a public ladder. I don't really care about IdrA's case. He screwed his own anonymity. Your post is blatantly retarded. Clean that condescending shit pile up and don't attempt to troll me by making yourself look like a huge douche in the process.
Choosing to defend anonymity on the heels of "idra's case" was again, your own mistake. Also stop spewing cliche forum jargon like "troll" and what not. I am responding to your fucking responses, if that is trolling you are just as guilty and in that case would be in no place to ask me to stop.
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hey culture *hug* ({)
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Methinks we need to get back on topic. Mani will not be pleased.
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this thread never really had a chance...
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8748 Posts
do media terrans each get a horn that they can blow when they're in need and all the other media terrans rally to the call? you guys are wei2cute
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
its a necklace they wear and it shines whenever one is being dissed. Kinda like the blade in "Lord of the Rings" that Frodo carries. Only this necklace is a bottle nosed dolphin.
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
This is more like the "WCG USA ATTACKS" thread. Back on topic please xD
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arnt inc and testie friends? am i missing something here? We go from idra and culture to you 2? But testie no offense ur the first person to come on here and complain about people being off topic for example last season's who is who, you got like 4 people banned for doing the same shit your doing right now, because for some very ODD reason ur some kind of legend on these forums
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
yeah we are friends Arguing is an activity us friends do from time to time.
He just got pissy cause I am right.
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On September 09 2007 00:32 NonY[rC] wrote:
do media terrans each get a horn that they can blow when they're in need and all the other media terrans rally to the call? you guys are wei2cute
power in numbers
power in nerdia's
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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RedTyphoon = me
though im never on
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Would've been cooler if they had a mark like the Death Eaters in Harry Potter.
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ok sorry
Just trying to get this back on topic
Also I don't think that IloveAlizee = Mistrizzz, because of this quote.
personally I like Longinus as a zerg user, doesnt see any imba
taken from Link.
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My first guess would be Idra
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On September 09 2007 01:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote:yeah we are friends Arguing is an activity us friends do from time to time. He just got pissy cause I am right.
Right about what? Read your own post you are the one getting pissy and wrote like you were having menstrual cramps. The fact that you didn't address the issue directly and instead made a poor personal attack while flirting around the issue without refuting a single point?
I think you simply got a bit pissy and started talking like a douche rather than a rational person for some reason. Maybe due to the mentioning of your limited lan experience questioning the size of your lan balls or something. I honestly don't know, nor do I care.
If you are preparing for a tournament, you don't need friends of the players or the other playing who are smurfing themselves, knowing your builds and such.
BW is a very small community outside of korea. Very, very small. You shouldn't have to go out of your way and waste even more of your time for the sake of anonymity. A tonne of people share replays knowing who they were playing and when they're rooting for different players. Etc...
I've had more than one person for each large tournament ask me for example, "Hey, I have reps of XXXX from Canada national finals. Want to see?".
To be honest I don't even know where you stand on the issue and I think something got crossed. But during large tourney time, who is who is kinda gay. Should let everyone practice in peace then you can say them afterwards or something. Should I start practicing, I don't want someone taking 5 minutes asking which person is me when it makes my time feel wasted as my opponents learn my race and, perhaps, a few builds as well.
But seriously, re-read your post. Who ends their post in, "thanks".? That's more douchey than
-Mynock.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I read your giant post. And it still doesnt come close to addressing any of my last 3 posts and the points I make. The "personal attack" was me basically calling you out on the "lan experience" thing so I would hardly call that a personal attack, no more than yours anyways.
Ending with "thanks" is no more "douchey" than thinking the community owes you privacy on a ladder. You have been a part of this tiny ass community longer than most and yet you still dont understand that finding smurfs out is half the fun? its been done since the dawn of smurfing.. bitching about it here is not going to change it. In fact, (i will make my point yet again) it really only suggests you need to loosen up. Last I checked nobody makes their living off this game (that posts here) and it is in fact, a game. So understand, along with "gaming" comes a relatively unserious nature to that game. Sure there are lines and expectations, but thinking an entire community should ignore you and the ID you use while you play the most popular PUBLIC ladder is fucking egotistical and suggests a severe need in a reality check.
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I never said anything was owed. Loosen up? It's not about being owed time or coming off as an egotistical jackass. It's about simple respect to peoples wishes. The community gains nothing from learning an AKA. Yet a player has more to lose. Don't bring up, "then game privately" because no one has people working clock-work on their /f list to play certain maps over and over. Especially at the skill level required. Gaming and preparing for a tournament are two different things.
A tournament puts money into the equation and say you have a chance at $10,000 but someone lessens that chance because, "it's fun" to know who someone is. When in reality, it really isn't. $10,000 isn't serious enough a reason? Or god forbid, $25,000? What is this, the peoples press? Do people really have a right to know?
As I said previously, the rest of the year I don't care. And I know the argument isn't going to work on the community. I am simply stating it's gay. I don't expect it, nor demand it, or anything else.
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u know, its a tad ironic how you bring up the issue of how 'important' tournaments are. Yet you, as well as a myriad of other gamers often claim to never practice for them, wait till 1 week before to practice, or say you didnt even care about it. Not once has a North American player ever came out before a tournament and said, im practicing my ass off, i hope to do well. After all, its only 25,000? The kors have no idea who most of the foreigners are, or what they could do strat wise, thats a an edge, one you've used quite well to be the only foreigner to beat kors in tournaments, never the series, but still, its a feat. Anyone competing in the USA WCG already knows about their opponent, much more so than at wcg finals.
Knowing someone's AKA isnt going to affect it things in the overall outlook on the tournament. 1 mis click with a reaver and shuttle > having heard he might like to go reavers in pvt. BW isnt that perfect, the toss could even have obs fast, and see the 2 turrets in main and 2 tanks and not even go for it, but just ferry units, along with goons/zeals and attack the main that way. You are arguing over a very minor detail that kors have to deal with everyday.
Stop being children. In the past, the WCG USA finals has always been just a free trip to the finals. Froz was the only one to get out of the groups for USA. Whoever gets D group, has a chance to go into brackets, but even then, does that person really have a chance for top 3? You guys are arguing over random matters that wont really affect things in the long run anyways.
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Yeah was thinking same thing LumberJack about Testie and practise
But hey, This new map "8th wonder" looks horribly imbalanced terran map, what you guys think?
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Froz and Day (Day got out of his group in 2004, and lost to Xellos) . As far as I can recall... Nony and Day both have been pretty upfront about the amount of time they put in practicing and have clearly stated their desires to do well.
Which in my opinion is a pretty cool thing... so many people want to seem cool by saying "o ya, I'm not going to practice at all for this, or I just played a few games the week before". Either, they actually didn't practice (sucks for them), or they did practice but are trying to downplay their efforts to make themselves seem better than they really are...
anyways, I like Nony and Day for that... and I also like Froz because he owns =D and I hope they all do well (well not Day, since he isn't playing this year).
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On September 08 2007 23:13 Skew wrote:
I think Culture needs a hug...
when do the others members of media gonna pop out to defend idra btw?
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
[QUOTE]On September 09 2007 06:22 LumberJack wrote:
Not once has a North American player ever came out before a tournament and said, im practicing my ass off, i hope to do well. [QUOTE]
lol, So friggin' true !
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Osaka27134 Posts
Would you PLEASE stay on fucking topic?
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On September 09 2007 11:47 Manifesto7 wrote:
Would you PLEASE stay on fucking topic?
cabi.. 27-0 Terran player.
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On September 09 2007 12:58 BuGzlToOnl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2007 11:47 Manifesto7 wrote:
Would you PLEASE stay on fucking topic? cabi.. 27-0 Terran player.
Need replay because he's Korean...
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is the mym.sen on the ladder the real one? I assume so cuz he plays P/Z
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yes he's real.
NumberOne definitely is not Odin, Odin quit bw completely.
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On September 09 2007 16:36 Xeris wrote:
yes he's real.
NumberOne definitely is not Odin, Odin quit bw completely.
Just putting my opinions w/o seeing replays.
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bugzerg is yoke.net_bugzerg, lower tier chinese pro
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On September 09 2007 14:13 HellAngel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2007 12:58 BuGzlToOnl wrote:On September 09 2007 11:47 Manifesto7 wrote:
Would you PLEASE stay on fucking topic? cabi.. 27-0 Terran player. Need replay because he's Korean...
i want these replays too ;o
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Sweden1282 Posts
is it just me or did all the koreans disappear? only met 2 koreans in 30~ games and looking at the top of the ladder more than half the flags are non-korean..
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Norway28597 Posts
seems very strange to me that testie would use a nal account to smurf if he wanted to smurf. i'd expect him to have a korean or someone outside korea make him an accout if he wanted to.
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Smurfs or not, I would really like a replaypack from a good zerg by the end of the season!
Good luck have fun in WCG qualifiers all of you!
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i have played vs colgone.
i can send rep if anyone wants to see the hotkeys jsut msg me.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On September 09 2007 16:48 HellAngel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2007 16:36 Xeris wrote:
yes he's real.
NumberOne definitely is not Odin, Odin quit bw completely. Just putting my opinions w/o seeing replays.
then you might want to clarify that.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
I'll be updating tonight around 9pm EST. Sorry I missed all the flaming and such, been at my GF's all weekend.
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nal_psyco = nal_keke ( 90 % sure , just need someone who play him one time and rep )
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United States42250 Posts
I'm TaG]KwarK by the way.
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Does anyone know what it means when there is an x next to someones name in the iccup website?
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they just joined team can't play in CW's on ICCup
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On September 10 2007 03:07 HellAngel wrote:
they just joined team can't play in CW's on ICCup
thx
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cabi possibly is a semi-pro
ps
OMFG MY FIRST POST ON TL.NET!!!!!!!!
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On September 10 2007 03:14 statix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2007 03:07 HellAngel wrote:
they just joined team can't play in CW's on ICCup thx
basically right, but the X disappears after 2 days and u can do everything u want again.
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On September 09 2007 23:13 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_psyco = nal_keke ( 90 % sure , just need someone who play him one time and rep )
Its not.
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On September 10 2007 06:12 Superiorwolf wrote:
Who is 'UnknownSmurf' ?
...Very secretive... haha
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On September 10 2007 07:55 HellAngel wrote:...Very secretive... haha
Canadian and Random.... hmm testie??? :D D: :D D:
edit: oops american... T_T nvm
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On September 10 2007 05:59 iCCup.StyLish wrote:
who is TOT)MYM[Light] ?
i know but im not supposed to tell it, srry.
no one too special or gosu, though..
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United States37500 Posts
On September 10 2007 08:48 MaGic~PhiL wrote:i know but im not supposed to tell it, srry. no one too special or gosu, though..
What is the point of saying you know but you can't tell...
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On September 10 2007 08:48 MaGic~PhiL wrote:i know but im not supposed to tell it, srry. no one too special or gosu, though..
well, i saw he won vs Blackman 3 times^^ but i won vs ToT)MYM[Light] to, so he cant be any ubergosu;P but nice of winning vs blackman^^
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Post on the Abusers forum on ICCup...
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
heh
i think this type of abuser is perfectly fine
first of all he's an idiot who doesn't even use the motw or antihack to make his job easier
second if he continues with only D accounts he's in for a rough ride getting out of C- and C
poor stupid guy
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who is Sakura)X
who is MAchismo
who is shot
who is bellroo
who is python(OD)
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On September 10 2007 12:57 ChOseN[LighT wrote:
who is Sakura)X
who is MAchismo
who is shot
who is bellroo
who is python(OD)
reps plz
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Python(OD) is a guy from Clan OD on East
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ToT)MYM[LighT] 2-0'd Sakura)x .
yep.
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I think for a game between two top 15 players it was rather terrible to watch, espcially on the zerg's part.
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On September 10 2007 12:05 intrigue wrote:heh i think this type of abuser is perfectly fine first of all he's an idiot who doesn't even use the motw or antihack to make his job easier second if he continues with only D accounts he's in for a rough ride getting out of C- and C poor stupid guy
all his game are 2mn long, I don't think it's fine
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this guy will get IP banned.. relax;)
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On September 10 2007 16:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:I think for a game between two top 15 players it was rather terrible to watch, espcially on the zerg's part.
That's what ICC does to you. You just want to cheese all the time ;P
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On September 10 2007 16:30 Xeris wrote:
ToT)MYM[LighT] 2-0'd Sakura)x .
yep.
Sakura 3-0'd ToT)MYM[Light].
yep.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
ToT)MYM[LighT] = ChOseN[LighT]
is anyone didn't catch on.
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yes it is Dino[S.O]. all his accounts were cleared and banned. What a shame..
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
SaKuRa)X is SwOrD[fOu]
semi pro protoss in KTF I believe
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I think flowingtear is dunaj or w/e he's called, the polish guy. if it's been mentioned before, sorry.
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tmdflwnstkd
guy raped me hard zvp with quick ultradefilers and he seems almost untouchable in all matchups. Maybe he's just an amateur though. I have a feeling he will climb to the top.
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On September 11 2007 08:06 Shauni wrote:tmdflwnstkdguy raped me hard zvp with quick ultradefilers and he seems almost untouchable in all matchups. Maybe he's just an amateur though. I have a feeling he will climb to the top.
pretty impressive stats, anyone have an id on this guy?
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On September 11 2007 05:24 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
SaKuRa)X is SwOrD[fOu]
semi pro protoss in KTF I believe
is it only him or could it be a shared account?
he really didnt seem like a semi pro when i played him on the first day.
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i wonder why dino would do that -_-
sword[fou] is pretty low tier though
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dino wasnt abusing he was just fucking around
he picked people with bad stats and then 5 pooled every game
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On September 11 2007 08:36 IdrA wrote:
dino wasnt abusing he was just fucking around
he picked people with bad stats and then 5 pooled every game
If Dino was using "Feeble", then he wasn't 5 pooling. Watch the replay, he was mineral hacking by making an egg then canceling for +500 as soon as game starts.
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On September 11 2007 08:11 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2007 05:24 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
SaKuRa)X is SwOrD[fOu]
semi pro protoss in KTF I believe is it only him or could it be a shared account? he really didnt seem like a semi pro when i played him on the first day.
not sure, it's him in the rep vs bugzerg though
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
Also if anyone's wondering why your AKA isn't up there, I decided not to put an AKA up if say Joe135 is using the account Joe136 on ICC. I figure most people can put two and two together. Well, most.
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are you sure that Ilovealizee is Mistrzzz ? I'd rather think it's a shared account
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
On September 11 2007 17:39 Kassios wrote:
are you sure that Ilovealizee is Mistrzzz ? I'd rather think it's a shared account
I think your right, but what Zerg play is he sharing the account with?
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Sakura)X is dishacker, i have played him 2 times , and when i had advantage suddenly appears drop players window , he is using some hack because i receive disconnect and he receives win .
the only 2 disconnects for last week are games with him , very suspicious
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blackman = kinslayer.. not real BM
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this guy has 5 loses but in his race statistics he doesnt have any defeat ?
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On September 11 2007 21:59 3D.TemujiN wrote:
Sakura)X is dishacker, i have played him 2 times , and when i had advantage suddenly appears drop players window , he is using some hack because i receive disconnect and he receives win .
the only 2 disconnects for last week are games with him , very suspicious
Upload the replays with a complaint. This happened to me in a game recently (of course I am only D player ), and the admin responded to complaint in only a day, and fixed the points.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
3D.TemujiN, when you played IloveAlizee, did they play you in sequential games without logging out? Because if so then we don't have a shared account, just someone who plays P / Z.
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On September 11 2007 23:24 Kassios wrote:this guy has 5 loses but in his race statistics he doesnt have any defeat ?
account transfer
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On September 11 2007 08:06 Shauni wrote:tmdflwnstkdguy raped me hard zvp with quick ultradefilers and he seems almost untouchable in all matchups. Maybe he's just an amateur though. I have a feeling he will climb to the top.
can you upload the rep?
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On September 12 2007 02:17 Pads wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2007 23:24 Kassios wrote:this guy has 5 loses but in his race statistics he doesnt have any defeat ? account transfer
I think its because race statistics updated too late
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On September 12 2007 02:29 haypro wrote:
ilovealizee is mistrzzz
Thanks for not clearing anything up.
The question was whether or not it was a shared account with Mistrzzz and someone else.
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He didn't share the account with anyone.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
add me add me! under tlnetters
On September 06 2007 03:28 intrigue wrote:i'll be using mercredi
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On September 11 2007 08:36 IdrA wrote:
dino wasnt abusing he was just fucking around
he picked people with bad stats and then 5 pooled every game
This blind defebse (horn of gondor style as nony suggested) by Idra, Skew, Artosis, etc is just so irritating. The guy was using a zerg mineral hack and of course you don't read any of the fucking post about it, just say DINO WAS FUCKIN AROUND LOL HE ONLY 5 POOL NEWBS LOL
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So did Stalife join [light] and leave smi or is that only for ICCUP purposes?
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saw him in op tot under [light]
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On September 12 2007 02:29 haypro wrote:
ilovealizee is mistrzzz
elaborate plz. just beacuse you got pwned by a polish toss doesnt necessarily mean it was mistrzz.
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On September 12 2007 05:06 Auspicious wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2007 08:36 IdrA wrote:
dino wasnt abusing he was just fucking around
he picked people with bad stats and then 5 pooled every game This blind defebse (horn of gondor style as nony suggested) by Idra, Skew, Artosis, etc is just so irritating. The guy was using a zerg mineral hack and of course you don't read any of the fucking post about it, just say DINO WAS FUCKIN AROUND LOL HE ONLY 5 POOL NEWBS LOL
next account you make you should pull that stick out of your ass
you might last longer
i knew dino was newb bashing and 5 pooling, and one post said all his games were vs people with bad stats and short games, so it seemed quite likely that that was the problem.
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On September 12 2007 06:21 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2007 05:06 Auspicious wrote:On September 11 2007 08:36 IdrA wrote:
dino wasnt abusing he was just fucking around
he picked people with bad stats and then 5 pooled every game This blind defebse (horn of gondor style as nony suggested) by Idra, Skew, Artosis, etc is just so irritating. The guy was using a zerg mineral hack and of course you don't read any of the fucking post about it, just say DINO WAS FUCKIN AROUND LOL HE ONLY 5 POOL NEWBS LOL next account you make you should pull that stick out of your ass you might last longer i knew dino was newb bashing and 5 pooling, and one post said all his games were vs people with bad stats and short games, so it seemed quite likely that that was the problem.
You're an idiot.
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On September 12 2007 06:21 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2007 05:06 Auspicious wrote:On September 11 2007 08:36 IdrA wrote:
dino wasnt abusing he was just fucking around
he picked people with bad stats and then 5 pooled every game This blind defebse (horn of gondor style as nony suggested) by Idra, Skew, Artosis, etc is just so irritating. The guy was using a zerg mineral hack and of course you don't read any of the fucking post about it, just say DINO WAS FUCKIN AROUND LOL HE ONLY 5 POOL NEWBS LOL next account you make you should pull that stick out of your ass you might last longer i knew dino was newb bashing and 5 pooling, and one post said all his games were vs people with bad stats and short games, so it seemed quite likely that that was the problem.
You gotta be kidding, well are you AT LEAST acknowledging it now? that dino used a mineral HACK, and not just a 5pool on newbies. GOD some people are retarded
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of course? i wasnt defending his actions in the first place, i said he was newb bashing and 5 pooling
i just was unaware he was min hacking on top of it.
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hacker deserve to burn in hell
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he disc hacked vs me 2 times
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On September 07 2007 10:48 Pressure wrote:
My ICCUP- 7Pressure
add me son
tlnetters
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Iraq1230 Posts
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Stalife is in [LighT] now.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
yes he is
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I got a rep of me losing to him PvT (me P) if you want me to post it.
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is awesome32271 Posts
Dont ask, just upload upload
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On September 12 2007 13:19 IntoTheWow wrote:Dont ask, just upload upload
QFT stop being so indecisive, we want all the reps >:O
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oo really dont think it's daze
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On September 12 2007 05:46 DaZe wrote:elaborate plz. just beacuse you got pwned by a polish toss doesnt necessarily mean it was mistrzz.
it seems that Ilovealizee is now GreatMistrzzz :D
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Misrtzzz must be quite sad.. that he the GREAT.. doesnt go for wcg final nor for the even sen/draco/fosken go to..
haha xD
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On September 12 2007 17:33 Kassios wrote:oo really dont think it's daze
haypro was joking because daze made fun of him ;o
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I wonder why won't he use "ExcellentMistrzzz" or "AwesomeMistrzzz" or something...It sounds better...And is equally misleading
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thats the new and improved americanized daze
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
Do you know all of these for sure?
(I won't be putting up IdrA's aka just for moral cause =p)
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This season level is much lower then previous one. From all players only nal_psyco really amazed me.
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On September 12 2007 23:19 3D.Strelok wrote:
This season level is much lower then previous one. From all players only nal_psyco really amazed me.
Strelok, wanna tell what name your using? :D
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And all non-koreans who use real nicknames are so funny -) They tremble on their each fucking point. LOL
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On September 12 2007 23:20 to miss the mark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2007 23:19 3D.Strelok wrote:
This season level is much lower then previous one. From all players only nal_psyco really amazed me. Strelok, wanna tell what name your using? :D
No i do not want, cause i play there not to make name, but to have fun. If i use aka, i do not say it to all to see it published in some aka thread-about.
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let's find it then, shall we? ^_^
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On September 12 2007 22:53 to miss the mark wrote:Do you know all of these for sure? (I won't be putting up IdrA's aka just for moral cause =p)
yes about 90% sure.
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On September 13 2007 00:59 Coach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2007 22:53 to miss the mark wrote:Do you know all of these for sure? (I won't be putting up IdrA's aka just for moral cause =p) yes about 90% sure.
Well, which ones are you unsure of? :p
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only loss is to idra, under triforceterran. But this is speculation, idra do you have the rep?
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On September 13 2007 00:38 to miss the mark wrote:I already have it, just not saying.
arent you the wrong type of person to run this thread? as im pretty sure everyone who plays under an alias doesnt want to be found out, why do you decide who gets posted and who doesnt?
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CrayOn the little geek joined MYM. ?
P.S. I love CrayOn altough its a feek :D
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
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z.h.u is 2nd account of jaystar
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well I played that guy BellrOo early on and he totally raped me with godly muta micro then mass lings + lurks
probably some pro or semi pro cause that muta micro was like.... wow ur doing that without lan latency??
too bad i didnt save the rep.... damnitt
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
PizzaHut = Art[Name] 100%.
Terran user same hotkeys, and he works at Pizza Hut.
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On September 13 2007 09:16 CaucasianAsian wrote:PizzaHut = Art[Name] 100%. Terran user same hotkeys, and he works at Pizza Hut.
rofl?
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On September 13 2007 01:08 to miss the mark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2007 00:59 Coach wrote:On September 12 2007 22:53 to miss the mark wrote:Do you know all of these for sure? (I won't be putting up IdrA's aka just for moral cause =p) yes about 90% sure. Well, which ones are you unsure of? :p
i'm not unsure of any there all fine.
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"Blackman = Kinslayer"
Blackman wasnt Kinslayer ;;.
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yes it was him for sure. I have proof.
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so? can we post aka of people who're going to play WCG ?
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On September 14 2007 18:13 Kassios wrote:
so? can we post aka of people who're going to play WCG ?
Of course. Just post any aka you know, it's good to know who the good players are.
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On September 13 2007 03:49 IdrA wrote:
its crayon
Thanks, don't know why i assumed it was Day, i jsut thought of a Z mYm USA player -_- And when did crayon join mYm or is it just the name?
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probably stinger since it looks like he plays random vs terran
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xeite is xeite -.-
he played pgt under that too - always high ranked with tons of games
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Yup, Xeite is just xeite as littlechava said. His TvT is really sick, no surprise he beat beggar that hard.
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is it me or less korean are playing this season?
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On September 18 2007 03:34 littlechava wrote:
xeite is xeite -.-
he played pgt under that too - always high ranked with tons of games
If I am not mistaken he was top5 at the start of this season, then resetted his account and now has worked his way back up. Why would you do that? You'd have to play D noobs again.
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Some people reset early because they cant find anyone to play at their rank. Xeite is like Beggar they both mass gamed on pgt and eventually got better.
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reaver wat acc are you using atm? are you Scarborough?
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On September 18 2007 05:04 Crooked I wrote:
reaver wat acc are you using atm? are you Scarborough?
no I don't play iccup
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On September 18 2007 04:14 ShAsTa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2007 03:34 littlechava wrote:
xeite is xeite -.-
he played pgt under that too - always high ranked with tons of games If I am not mistaken he was top5 at the start of this season, then resetted his account and now has worked his way back up. Why would you do that? You'd have to play D noobs again.
Cause xeite always says his gonna quit bw so he always reset his stats, but he cant control it and he always come back
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dinot protoss user , the guy you have link = zerg user
and dinot got caught for hacking using mineral hack in iccup and got banned .
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dinot and dino are different people
dinot is some chilean zerg
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greatmistrzzz = mistrzzz ?
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no thats another mistrzzz that thinks hes great
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Fku is Team Akmid aka TT1 ( Team Captain ), Oldy, and JF
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Canada291 Posts
Fku is me, you caught me!
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190090/090091 = ToT)XiAoZi(/ToT)LJT(
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190090 is xiaozi, LJT is 090091.
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On September 19 2007 02:21 no.1 wrote:nada..
Nice!
But.. how do you know it? Secret sources ;-)?
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Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Zerg87 = ToT)Midian( ????
http://www.iccup.com/profile.php?lookup=141789
I do not know of any other Zergs from GB that are B-
Unless of course midian made account for some other gosu to smurf on..
Sorry if this has already been posted.. but i did not want to look through 20 pages O_O
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Spire and midian had a few accounts at beginning of season C- and C
oh and midian wouldn't lose that many times
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Scarborough = Python(OD) = iG.Reaver = V_DroP)Reaver
100% sure about this account was transferred.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
Madguy.
Korean, TvP TvZ PvT
Any ideas?
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know he who but cant say t.t
but he someone realy realy good
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On September 19 2007 04:52 Chewits wrote:Zerg87 = ToT)Midian( ???? http://www.iccup.com/profile.php?lookup=141789I do not know of any other Zergs from GB that are B- Unless of course midian made account for some other gosu to smurf on.. Sorry if this has already been posted.. but i did not want to look through 20 pages O_O
i have a rep of zerg87 owning me zvz, if you'd like to see it for hotkeys or smth.
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On September 19 2007 06:27 Leejungterran wrote:know he who but cant say t.t but he someone realy realy good
don't be like that!
hint us!
pro?
semi-pro?
training partner?
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On September 19 2007 06:27 Leejungterran wrote:know he who but cant say t.t but he someone realy realy good
whats the point of posting this in a who's who thread anyways? so you can wave your enormous e-penis over us?
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yu.u = LRM)deefy
surething
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yeah posting * i know but im not telingz yooh* really does nothing
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On September 19 2007 07:11 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2007 06:27 Leejungterran wrote:know he who but cant say t.t but he someone realy realy good whats the point of posting this in a who's who thread anyways? so you can wave your enormous e-penis over us?
thats all he does
seriously
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hm nah Zerg87 is not Midian.. midian is better than that Zerg87 ...
DinOt = Chilean
Dino = Usa
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no, and he is a disc hacker
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On September 13 2007 08:22 Justan_Ame wrote:
well I played that guy BellrOo early on and he totally raped me with godly muta micro then mass lings + lurks
probably some pro or semi pro cause that muta micro was like.... wow ur doing that without lan latency??
too bad i didnt save the rep.... damnitt
kekekekekeke :-).
Just a little hint.
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little !?
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BelrOo= Nal_KeKe obviously
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lol reaver why did u lie lmao
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nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol .
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On September 20 2007 00:21 Crooked I wrote:
lol reaver why did u lie lmao
because its a shared account
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On September 20 2007 02:00 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol .
Cause its not him, you seems to be a really stupid person, no offence.
My hint was 'kekekeke' itself ;p.
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On September 20 2007 06:56 ToT)ParanOid( wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2007 02:00 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol . Cause its not him, you seems to be a really stupid person, no offence. My hint was 'kekekeke' itself ;p.
you seem to be gay and stupid , no offence ,
so we are stupid if we are wrong about someone aka , wow , nice one kid .
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I don't think he's talking about that ONE specific thing but overall the way u act is stupid and annoying.
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On September 20 2007 06:56 ToT)ParanOid( wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2007 02:00 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol . Cause its not him, you seems to be a really stupid person, no offence. My hint was 'kekekeke' itself ;p.
QFT
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On September 20 2007 12:40 Leejungterran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2007 06:56 ToT)ParanOid( wrote:On September 20 2007 02:00 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol . Cause its not him, you seems to be a really stupid person, no offence. My hint was 'kekekeke' itself ;p. you seem to be gay and stupid , no offence , so we are stupid if we are wrong about someone aka , wow , nice one kid .
what happened to the retarded konglish you've been speaking or are you done being a korean wannabe
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On September 19 2007 06:27 Leejungterran wrote:know he who but cant say t.t but he someone realy realy good
rofl smi.kira reverting back to broken english after python od catchs him on it. Ive talked to this C- level player (dunno y he exagarates to A), and he has good grammatical bm when he loses.
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don't call him smi :|
he hasnt been in it for ages
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On September 19 2007 04:52 Chewits wrote:Zerg87 = ToT)Midian( ???? http://www.iccup.com/profile.php?lookup=141789I do not know of any other Zergs from GB that are B- Unless of course midian made account for some other gosu to smurf on.. Sorry if this has already been posted.. but i did not want to look through 20 pages O_O
diffrent apm to MidiaN, Spire and Rico, dunno if it's a uk player :p
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rico is still around? LOL
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On September 20 2007 12:40 Leejungterran wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2007 06:56 ToT)ParanOid( wrote:On September 20 2007 02:00 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol . Cause its not him, you seems to be a really stupid person, no offence. My hint was 'kekekeke' itself ;p. you seem to be gay and stupid , no offence , so we are stupid if we are wrong about someone aka , wow , nice one kid .
Its not about that babe, its more about ' i know but i wont tell' . If you write your types add 'just by guessing' in the end of your post if you're not 100% sure.
And btw I'm definitely older than you 'kid'.
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i was saying kid because of your mental year , sorry .
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On September 20 2007 13:43 V_DrOp)Reaver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2007 12:40 Leejungterran wrote:On September 20 2007 06:56 ToT)ParanOid( wrote:On September 20 2007 02:00 Leejungterran wrote:
nal_keke = nal_psyco dunno why that not updated lol . Cause its not him, you seems to be a really stupid person, no offence. My hint was 'kekekeke' itself ;p. you seem to be gay and stupid , no offence , so we are stupid if we are wrong about someone aka , wow , nice one kid . what happened to the retarded konglish you've been speaking or are you done being a korean wannabe
where is he actually from?
i always thought he was french canadian or something and his english confused me.
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kira is a white boy who wants to be korean REALLY really bad he even makes his iccup flag korean, he tries so hard he knows 100% perfect english
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i dont know 100 % perfect english , the way in talking = my english
im not trying to do anything , and im not trying to be korean , when people ask me when im from i alway say canada ,
for my iccup korean flag , that for smurfing that all .
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On September 21 2007 11:44 Leejungterran wrote:
i dont know 100 % perfect english , the way in talking = my english
im not trying to do anything , and im not trying to be korean , when people ask me when im from i alway say canada ,
for my iccup korean flag , that for smurfing that all .
And your TL.Net flag is for smurfing also?
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and thats not how you type on bnet either LOL
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sMi.Virgo = sMi.Dom O_o
you can check the hotkeys if you want, theres some tourney reps of him in there
not nearly as fast as MidiaN, he has a good rec but its not that hard to get single digit losses up to c-
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has the main thread been updated in awhile or is it just me?
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fair nuff, just read somewere it was midian, sorry.
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oldy aka cheesestick banned!
1st foreigner on 1st season of iccup was a hacker!
it seems iccup has the war against hackers on their hands.
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i wonder who banned him
from gg.net
Oldy : "You know why what? You guys can call me whatever you want but i'm not hiding myself saying: ' i don't hack '. Every maphackers nowadays say they don't hack but they do get caught later on. As for me, i did it on purpose and told to the people on my friends list that i hack on iccup season 1. It's not like i was hiding and denying that i hacked. But apart from iccup season 1, i never hacked on europe, west, east, or wtv other servers there are, except one game vs TT1 on europe where i purposely showed my loss in my profile once game was over. But anyways, i stopped hacking since the end of iccup season 1 cause i realized it was boring playing with it."
Cheloman reply : "Now, you are banned by hack in our server by use of map hack.
Thanks by your confesion."
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why would he hack around the time of wcg? He wouldn't be getting good practice from that. he probably has hacked in multiple online events. This might be the reason he sucks on lan.
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I still wonder how he could have such bad scores using map hack.
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On September 22 2007 03:07 hwasingodlysense wrote:
oldy aka cheesestick banned!
1st foreigner on 1st season of iccup was a hacker!
it seems iccup has the war against hackers on their hands.
Wasn't iefnaj 1st foreigner last season?
Does he want respect for admitting it or something? I also love when hackers are caught(or not in this case whatever) and say "I hacked there and then but not there, no way." And you're supposed to believe them because they admitted to hacking on other occasions.
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so oldy, mistrzz, hungtran, who else of these new stars are hackers
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oldy doesnt hack in competitive games or in practice games on b.net or any games on b.net, i can promise you that, if he didnt confess what he said none of you wouldnt even know anything about this and all this situation wouldnt have occured, as easily you believed his confession about him hacking on iccup you need to believe him when he says that he doesnt hack on b.net
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Oldy has been suspected of hacking since ages due to his poor performances in offline tournaments.
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On September 22 2007 05:05 Kassios wrote:who's OrientalBlue? profile
kogeT (3rd place in this year's Polish BW Championship)
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On September 22 2007 05:15 mayap wrote:
oldy doesnt hack in competitive games or in practice games on b.net or any games on b.net, i can promise you that, if he didnt confess what he said none of you wouldnt even know anything about this and all this situation wouldnt have occured, as easily you believed his confession about him hacking on iccup you need to believe him when he says that he doesnt hack on b.net
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On September 22 2007 05:15 mayap wrote:
oldy doesnt hack in competitive games or in practice games on b.net or any games on b.net, i can promise you that, if he didnt confess what he said none of you wouldnt even know anything about this and all this situation wouldnt have occured, as easily you believed his confession about him hacking on iccup you need to believe him when he says that he doesnt hack on b.net
shut up.
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On September 22 2007 05:15 mayap wrote:
oldy doesnt hack in competitive games or in practice games on b.net or any games on b.net, i can promise you that, if he didnt confess what he said none of you wouldnt even know anything about this and all this situation wouldnt have occured, as easily you believed his confession about him hacking on iccup you need to believe him when he says that he doesnt hack on b.net
lol. he hacked. he got banned. end of story. stop defending him -_-
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On September 22 2007 05:29 True_Spike wrote:kogeT (3rd place in this year's Polish BW Championship)
isnt he MgZ)yuKi?
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oldy hacks? jesus where have i been
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On September 22 2007 07:34 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2007 05:29 True_Spike wrote:On September 22 2007 05:05 Kassios wrote:who's OrientalBlue? profile kogeT (3rd place in this year's Polish BW Championship) isnt he MgZ)yuKi?
That's his euro aka, yeah.
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i have heard that kara- could be some pro gamer who play off race .
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"i have heard that" your trying way to hard son
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whois sneakybilly? someone told me its xiaozi
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for the guy who think that nal_psyco is nal_keke, NO just NO...
he some french canadian wannabe who think he pro
btw he mostly play toss
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zerg87 isn't MidiaN as everyone has said so far in the thread
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On September 24 2007 00:27 Coach wrote:zerg87 = MidiaN westside = Cool2die
zerg87 is more likely to be spire than Jamie FFS get is straight.
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United States10774 Posts
zerg87 is in MgZ) there's no way its Jamie
-_-
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Norway28597 Posts
zerg87 is not from the united kingdom
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On September 24 2007 04:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
zerg87 is not from the united kingdom
... because he's from NORWAY??
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an obvious one that ppl mb havnt noticed yet,
sku = skew[media]
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He is not midian from what i played him on iccup ;p
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ahaha antique
keep away from crack bro
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
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Weren't you going to "quit" bw? I guess that didn't work out so well.
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On September 24 2007 13:04 Jonoman92 wrote:
Weren't you going to "quit" bw? I guess that didn't work out so well.
Read his blog entry.
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On September 24 2007 09:07 GongKyuckTerran wrote:ahaha antique keep away from crack bro
hehe
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On September 25 2007 04:15 CaucasianAsian wrote:you did?! AKA?
+ Show Spoiler +Purestyle, a game on rush hour.
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fake.Brat = Fake.Brat o.o
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On September 25 2007 11:07 hwasingodlysense wrote:
fAke.BRAT_OK = Androide
Rofl.. Brat_OK = fake.BRAT_OK ........ how is it androide?
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Just people wanting to look cool and don't do ANY research least my guesses were decent ;p
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Not to take anything away from ReMnAnt[WHITE], but 32 of his 58 wins are against 2 different people. Thats 16 games each. Is that even allowed on ICCUP?
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On September 25 2007 15:16 eXigent. wrote:
Not to take anything away from ReMnAnt[WHITE], but 32 of his 58 wins are against 2 different people. Thats 16 games each. Is that even allowed on ICCUP? he looks kinda really abuser have one id with c+ and abusing with it o,ov 5-6 games against same person is ok but not 10+++ in a row ~~
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
Just to confirm, I am not zerg87. I was "apathetic" but stopped at 25:3 C rank and gave the account away like a week and half ago, but I'm not saying who to :D
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On September 25 2007 20:57 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
Just to confirm, I am not zerg87. I was "apathetic" but stopped at 25:3 C rank and gave the account away like a week and half ago, but I'm not saying who to :D
But you are gonna say your new account, because you love TL.net and TL.net loves you.
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
On September 25 2007 11:07 hwasingodlysense wrote:
fAke.BRAT_OK = Androide
seems like some people look only on flag and a race trying to discover new players...
same situation was with midian -_-
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koreans would play 20 games against each other easily
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On September 25 2007 20:54 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2007 15:16 eXigent. wrote:
Not to take anything away from ReMnAnt[WHITE], but 32 of his 58 wins are against 2 different people. Thats 16 games each. Is that even allowed on ICCUP? he looks kinda really abuser have one id with c+ and abusing with it o,ov 5-6 games against same person is ok but not 10+++ in a row ~~
dont think he's an abuser since his game against the same opponent are all betwenn 5 and 15mn, usually when someone abuses all his game are like 2mn long (abusers aren't really smart)
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It's fine to play people as much as you like.
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On September 25 2007 21:40 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2007 20:57 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
Just to confirm, I am not zerg87. I was "apathetic" but stopped at 25:3 C rank and gave the account away like a week and half ago, but I'm not saying who to :D But you are gonna say your new account, because you love TL.net and TL.net loves you.
I don't have a new account, I'm not playing anymore.
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On September 26 2007 02:43 iG.ClouD wrote:
gosubet is fake.fraer
Sup Cloud !
More replay packs will be nice , if u can.
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Russian Federation14 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
notforu played so amazing at the russian wcg finals.. if anyone saw those replays they'd know what I am talking about. Not surprised he does well in ICCUP o_o
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Russian Federation14 Posts
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Russian Federation14 Posts
On September 26 2007 08:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
notforu played so amazing at the russian wcg finals.. if anyone saw those replays they'd know what I am talking about. Not surprised he does well in ICCUP o_o
Group C/ R 3 3D.Notforu vs Incontrol
PM 04:30 (ET), AM 05:30 (KOR), & PM 10:30 (CET)
But NFU don't go to the WCG.=/ W.O. for u.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
He is very good ZvZ as well, would have been tough!
ty for sharing the commentary.. but is it in russian?
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I know this is kinda bad manner and doesnt really matter but...CaucasianAsian, why do you newbie bash so hard? You have like 1 game against someone with a better than 50% record.
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On September 26 2007 09:21 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
He is very good ZvZ as well, would have been tough!
ty for sharing the commentary.. but is it in russian?
I'd like to know this as well....
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Russian Federation14 Posts
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i love you
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On September 26 2007 08:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
notforu played so amazing at the russian wcg finals.. if anyone saw those replays they'd know what I am talking about. Not surprised he does well in ICCUP o_o
I've played notforu on iccup. First game he lost to 9/11 rush, secondo one he made an hatchery outside of my expansion with sunk / lurk. Didn't impress me very much =|
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Gosubet is not Fraer, is another Ukranian toss
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On September 26 2007 20:49 iD.SquaLL wrote:Gosubet is not Fraer, is another Ukranian toss
Maybe White-Ra ?
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SquaLL say to us ,who is Gosubet
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I think my previous clue is enough to guess who's him ;D
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I'm [DP]miNus_huMan @ iCCup
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and gosubet is definately white-ra
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-.-vV = artosis pretty sure
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very nice played by notforu
enjoyed it,awesome defiler control / drop timings
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It says he's in NalTeam. And he plays zerg and protoss but more with protoss. Hmmm..
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On September 28 2007 10:31 rE.hOuse wrote:
who is gO)bleSS
gO)bless
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i dont think that [gm]maestro is testie...
it cant be
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On September 28 2007 16:08 ilbh wrote:
i dont think that [gm]maestro is testie...
it cant be
you're kidding, right? :|
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On September 28 2007 16:08 ilbh wrote:
i dont think that [gm]maestro is testie...
it cant be
it was a jOkE! =)
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On September 28 2007 12:46 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
It says he's in NalTeam. And he plays zerg and protoss but more with protoss. Hmmm..
crayon should know who play under what acc in nalteam on iccup but i think he wont tell ^^
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Russian Federation337 Posts
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On September 28 2007 10:23 GongKyuckTerran wrote:very nice played by notforu enjoyed it,awesome defiler control / drop timings
thx a lot legendary I wanted to download this from www.reps.ru and it was only from russian users... Thx for reuploading
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Russian Federation337 Posts
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Russian Federation337 Posts
and replay of BRAT_OK too :D
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i didn't mean disrespect for BRAT_OK - great player...but he plays on his real nickname and everyone knows him (except the one who thought he was android :D)..and about the other guy i wasn't sure who he is
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On September 29 2007 17:03 likeaboss wrote:Draco??
I'd rather think it's mistrzzz or dreiven.. draco isnt in bvg is he?
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On September 29 2007 17:10 Kassios wrote:is he tt1 ? profile
it's mgz)blue i think
but mgz) people share accounts too much so could be anyone from mgz oo
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Russian Federation337 Posts
On September 29 2007 17:41 Sumo wrote:Who is 2kfa4 ?
he's one crazy and lazy russian terran
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On September 29 2007 19:59 Lyra.Defiler wrote:he's one crazy and lazy russian terran
but who?
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On September 29 2007 17:03 likeaboss wrote:Draco??
It's GohaN.
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Russian Federation337 Posts
On September 29 2007 20:36 Sumo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 19:59 Lyra.Defiler wrote:On September 29 2007 17:41 Sumo wrote:Who is 2kfa4 ? he's one crazy and lazy russian terran but who?
he asked me not to tell ...
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On September 29 2007 21:16 Lyra.Defiler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2007 20:36 Sumo wrote:On September 29 2007 19:59 Lyra.Defiler wrote:On September 29 2007 17:41 Sumo wrote:Who is 2kfa4 ? he's one crazy and lazy russian terran but who? he asked me not to tell ...
reps
edit: better link
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
what's the point of saying that if you are not going to tell
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maybe a2 or androide, didnt watch the rep though
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indeed , some info appreciated
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On September 29 2007 17:41 Sumo wrote:Who is 2kfa4 ?
This is Brat_OK , after resetting his acc and starting new one
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
Yan is back on his name, wonder what name Na)girl is using
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On September 29 2007 17:12 GongKyuckTerran wrote:it's mgz)blue i think but mgz) people share accounts too much so could be anyone from mgz oo
It's MgZ)BluE aka Only.Random to 100% he has played all games.
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in mgz only 1-2 ppl share id's i think or even only 1 ;o
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why is iccup site down??? maintenance?
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i dont know whats going on with iccup, but this is like the first time i have gotten a chance to play in like 2 weeks and the damn thing is down lol
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lol i won 4 games and none of them reported :o
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Wild guess: Shared Nal_ account?
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I don't know who blackman is, but...
He's a funny guy. AH on.
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Yes, telling to the ladder super admin, that he will report you to admin.... jejeje
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On October 04 2007 03:00 LG)Sabbath wrote:I don't know who blackman is, but... He's a funny guy. AH on.
ahahahah it's definitely Kinslayer :D
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kinslayer accuses of hack a lot or what?
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no updates on the start page of the thread?
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On October 04 2007 03:00 LG)Sabbath wrote:I don't know who blackman is, but... He's a funny guy. AH on.
ahh i played you today
I'm mx518 :D
thought your name looked familiar
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to be honest sometimes i think the anti hack doesnt even work, but i dont care
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On October 04 2007 22:30 Crooked I wrote:
to be honest sometimes i think the anti hack doesnt even work, but i dont care
agree ;
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
On October 04 2007 08:40 DD-FRIeZa wrote:
no updates on the start page of the thread?
All there have been are questions, I'm yet to see anyone be like "KekekeUser1818 = LimYoHwan"
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gives us proof about that please.
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seriously we need someone else to update this thread
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
On October 06 2007 01:41 LegendaryDreams wrote:
seriously we need someone else to update this thread
If anyone said some AKAs, I would update it more. All there is now is "Who is nalteam? 50-0 korean"
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theres been plenty of akas now open ur eyes and actually read the thread, one that comes to mind right now is
[only]random = mgz)blue
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sku = skew etc... cant remember other posts
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heres a korean u can add to the 3 player korean list ;p
gosi[crazy] = gosi[desire] (on west)
hes Desire no.9 on brainclan 1774 rating (72-33 ish stats)
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Drunken.. is aka Only.Jupiter
link
Good Korean terran
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id guess he just does some kinda proxy 8 rax build or something tvt, other than those games vs usbport he looks legit
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its zvt and zerg won all games under 5 minutes.. thats clear abuse..
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unless he 5pools or 9pools always ?
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lol.... iv finnished plenty of zvts in 5 minutes
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ya zvt is even less suspicious, 9 pool speedling can finish games in 5 minutes, much less 4 or 6 pool
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what we need is a map that's not python. pvt is the most imba bullshit on this map i want to cry :/
siahgy or w/e isnt abusing btw.
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who is youneverknow? canadian P 46-6 B-
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ProtossIs4Newbs
is that u skew ?
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Even in PGT he was the whole time D+ to C-...
He should get a real life...
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
what it's worse to play a lot because he's not as good at it? there are lots of people who play 500+ games in a season.
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In a saison, yes. And he got it in like 1 month.
But in PGT he had more than 1000games !
It's just retarded to waste time, imo.
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bah, who are you to judge someone's hobby ?
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Tonkerchen, apparently you are the only one thinking that. The guy probably loves the game, and loves to play. There is nothing retarded about that.
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it's ok to mass games and enjoy it
but he should also think/study about his play and change style,addapt so he can go up in ranking
600 games = D+ = 90% allins or bad counters
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i love how you are all so judgmental about this guy. you know nothing about him. just leave him be and stop getting off topic -_-
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whos all, just one person is judgmental
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On October 09 2007 00:44 GongKyuckTerran wrote:it's ok to mass games and enjoy it but he should also think/study about his play and change style,addapt so he can go up in ranking 600 games = D+ = 90% allins or bad counters
i just played him twice after seeing his id in this thread. he just reacts pretty poorly to whatever he scouts, + average mechanics = stuck at D+
edit: he's also a bit bm (or maybe just frustrated)
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tell him to come here and we will help him
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you'd think someone playing 500 games a month would get better eventually
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not if hes just playing, rinse and repeat, it gets pretty annoying losing like 15 games in a row, and he probably does not know wich parts of his game to improve, and probably does not analyze his own replays for faults, if someone would help him a bit he could become good playing that much games, but just getting hammered 20 times in a row wont bring you much except pissing you off
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
i actually really admire people like that who have so much drive (or are just incredibly incredibly bored)
if i was playing that many games and still losing 80% of them i'd be out of the ladder scene pretty fucking fast. actually that happened seasons 1 and 2 of pgtour, i never appreciated laddering until i got a lot better : ]
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the only way to get good at this game is by practice, eventually u learn ur oppo's b.o patterns and ur hand speed increases
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JJar is probably satanik (cus theres some t games in there and sata tvz's also) or zatoichi cus zato[aegis] stats were transfered, but i dont think its zato cus he doesnt t
write some of the akas thread host~
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Russian Federation337 Posts
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OptimusPrime is Dreiven not GohaN =.=
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On October 09 2007 07:48 mayap wrote:
JJar is probably satanik (cus theres some t games in there and sata tvz's also) or zatoichi cus zato[aegis] stats were transfered, but i dont think its zato cus he doesnt t
no,jjar(now Star.SSang) is zatoichi,he plays t and p
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he reached C- ! his best MU is TvT ironically, hehe =o at least he's got that going for him.
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Who is
LiesfortheLiars
Czech player. He won an iccup tournament yesterday (D to B- entry)
Replay here
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anyone know who neosinterran is?
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[QUOTE]On October 12 2007 09:59 Months wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 11 2007 00:45 eXigent. wrote:
Who is
[url=http://www.iccup.com/profile.php?lookup=75400]LiesfortheLiars[/url]
Czech player. He won an iccup tournament yesterday (D to B- entry)
Replay [url=http://rapidshare.com/files/61600697/0137_guiltT_sizariZ_LiesFoT.rep.html]here[/url][/QUOTE]
i have 2 replays of him as well,if anyone wants.
i kinda cheesed him though so i dont know if theyre even worth posting
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liesfortheliars probably lopata or w/e
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some more akas if u want:
0000 - MgZ)MaNa, shared account with probably MgZ)WhistleR
2kfa4 - BRAT_OK
ProtossIs4Newbs - Skew
Star.SSang - Zatoichi
TerranIs4Pros - IdrA
Bolivia2007 - LG)CastrO
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MIStrZZZ, can you post reps vs Madguy. pls =]
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oh wait, i found madguy. reps anyway. someone good at finding aka's :Madguy. reps
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damn zatoichi 3:0ed madguy ?
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On October 13 2007 09:33 Pads wrote:oh wait, i found madguy. reps anyway. someone good at finding aka's : Madguy. reps
How do I dl them ?
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seems like a preety bad tourney, not many games got played..
final here though~
Madguy. reps
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On October 13 2007 10:40 mayap wrote:
damn zatoichi 3:0ed madguy ?
zatoichi won 3:2,just madguy couldn't upload his games
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all games are cheese and luna o.o
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i thought -.-vV was artosis and liesfortheliars was lopata?
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
oh snap i was thinking the same thing when i saw that id
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Who is TheNewPlayer? he have good stats, and POL flag...
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thenewplayer = xLo.Yayba
why would daut44 = bigballs?
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On October 16 2007 04:00 littlechava wrote:
thenewplayer = xLo.Yayba
why would daut44 = bigballs?
iirc ryan daut is bigball's real name
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
good to see him play again, I haven't seen him play since 2003/4 i don't remember exactly :O
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anyone gonna update the aka's?
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i'm monkeyspanker on it if you wanna add me O_O!
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I believe Daut44 is bigballs yes. Hes been on uswest recently using the ID Daut in Tl-west(mostly afk) I did talk to him for a while though. This who is who is pretty sad though I gotta say=/ I guess all the old good rep detectives aren't active anymore.
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there is a top 30 list of aka's i wouldnt mind knowing
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Name: Pamela Anderson
Lives in Hell and hobbies include DDRing
Eh, quite interesting person we have here.
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anyone figure out who siahgy and mym.mania are
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hmm who are the people in top 5 ?
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there is LegendMistrZZZ and LRM)MistrZZZ, which is real?
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probably both, he had the top 3 polish accounts last season
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to miss the mark if your going to make a thread regarding iccup akas try to be active and try to contribute to the thread unlike what your doing now, the main reason you made this thread was because the last iccup who is who thread hoster never updated anything and this is what your doing right now
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On October 22 2007 03:26 Kassios wrote:Bisu ?
MistrZZZ got like 43-1 last season. What makes you think that is bisu ?
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doesnt mistrzz have a life? why so much bw jesus christ
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fuck that picture got my account ipbanned LOL
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my god thats some mean playing
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On October 27 2007 03:24 Sumo wrote:It is Light[alive]
damn Progamers are awesome.
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light is clearly wasting his time 84-4 A+ is just ridiculous
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8748 Posts
light is probably depressed after losing to kwanro in MSL...
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when you play more than 10 hours a day a 100 games isnt that big, relatively speaking.
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to miss the mark: I gotta say you're doing a pretty bad job updating the op=/ Normally I wouldn't say anything, but you specifically remade this thread in order to do a better job updating the op. Hmmm.
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seems like whenever someone makes one of these threads they automatically go inactive
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u sure thats light? anyone checked his keys ?
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On October 27 2007 13:34 littlechava wrote:
seems like whenever someone makes one of these threads they automatically go inactive
Not true there were no updates near the end of my thread because they weren't coming out with new aka's
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I dont know who Marina is 41-0 B- But he refuses to play me lmao
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On October 27 2007 13:40 kamehameha wrote:
u sure thats light? anyone checked his keys ?
same keys as in his wgt reps
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noone know who mym.mania is yet?
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Russian Federation337 Posts
On October 28 2007 04:05 V_DrOp)Reaver wrote:
noone know who mym.mania is yet?
www.reps.ru says it's XeIte, anyway terran, who played at this aka, was XeIte =)
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i have a few reps vs mym.mania, me t vs him p
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On October 28 2007 06:20 Lyra.Defiler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2007 04:05 V_DrOp)Reaver wrote:
noone know who mym.mania is yet? www.reps.ru says it's XeIte, anyway terran, who played at this aka, were XeIte =)
Not true at all, xeite is in my f l , clan and he is retired 100%
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Russian Federation337 Posts
On October 28 2007 09:02 TesisMech wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2007 06:20 Lyra.Defiler wrote:On October 28 2007 04:05 V_DrOp)Reaver wrote:
noone know who mym.mania is yet? www.reps.ru says it's XeIte, anyway terran, who played at this aka, were XeIte =) Not true at all, xeite is in my f l , clan and he is retired 100%
he came back as i know o.O
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On October 28 2007 19:36 Lyra.Defiler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2007 09:02 TesisMech wrote:On October 28 2007 06:20 Lyra.Defiler wrote:On October 28 2007 04:05 V_DrOp)Reaver wrote:
noone know who mym.mania is yet? www.reps.ru says it's XeIte, anyway terran, who played at this aka, were XeIte =) Not true at all, xeite is in my f l , clan and he is retired 100% he came back as i know o.O
nop he didnt i know him, plus he only plays on Xeite or Star.Xeite
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you can add me to the TL list, im Aepplet there (and here obviously).
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
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yes it is wouldnt mind seeing some reps , hes clearly a cheese king just like every other korean ;/
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Wow D:
Probably triple gates every game :/
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On October 29 2007 10:35 Scorpion wrote:Wow D: Probably triple gates every game :/
39... 20 mirror matches T_T.
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
Stork has strong PvP right? So he named himself UpGrade so he would never forget to upgrade dragoon range ever again.
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
there are so many protosses on icc it's disgusting
it's like driving on the freeway and getting all these bugs splattered on your windshield
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On October 29 2007 12:13 intrigue wrote:
there are so many protosses on icc it's disgusting
it's like driving on the freeway and getting all these bugs splattered on your windshield
How many of them are on the top five?
NONE.
Every player on the top five right now is a Terran player.
Also, that UpGrade guy is 40-0 now ;D
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The op isn't updating.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
On October 29 2007 12:43 Wizard wrote:The op isn't updating.
What's to update?
._.
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On October 29 2007 12:49 to miss the mark wrote:What's to update? ._.
The names that have been added over the last many pages.
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On October 29 2007 13:18 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2007 12:49 to miss the mark wrote:On October 29 2007 12:43 Wizard wrote:The op isn't updating. What's to update? ._. The names that have been added over the last many pages.
lol, and he's the op! 
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On October 29 2007 13:52 jimminy_kriket wrote:
cz_3p = Ares[Sepirose]
He's 6-4 D rank 1580 points, yeah i don't think so.
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Russian Federation337 Posts
he is also known as Sea.Leta -_- (im about 7777777)
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I played him (7777777), I got raped hard =P
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good iccup is getting interesting again
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i saw 5dronegg record something like 28-2....isn't that a nal_ra AKA?
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
Who is everyone on the team Athlete's Foot?
Seems like a group of very very good players.
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On October 30 2007 00:23 to miss the mark wrote:
Who is everyone on the team Athlete's Foot?
Seems like a group of very very good players.
Athelete's Foot is a sponsor of MBC Hero.
Niiice..
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On October 30 2007 00:23 to miss the mark wrote:
Who is everyone on the team Athlete's Foot?
Seems like a group of very very good players.
welcome back
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hahaha, take note his stats are 77-7 right now. How awesome is that ?
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Makes you wonder what kind of cheese was it when these guys are like 80-7 and 2-3 of those loses are from people who can't get out of D.
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a bit offtopic, but is iccup down for anyone else? server was laggin hard earlier, and now I cannot connect.
edit: seem's to be working fine again now.
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Didn't have any problems with the server today.
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lagged for me for a few mins, 1500+ ping, and went back to normal.
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Bolivia2007 = LG)Castro
LG)castro = LG)Castro
Recorcholis = LG)castro
LG)Castro.rEc = LG)Castro
xd
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MBC's iCCup 2v2 team is T/Z..... wonder who?
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LG)castro needs a life
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LG)Castro has a life, and he's living it right now believe it or not. It just so happens that his enjoyment of broodwar takes a portion of HIS life. So wheres the problem in that? Everyone has a life, and everyone chooses to do useless things through out the day, why is playing broodwar any different? =/
EDIT: Who is mars5231 . A zerg player with a US flag. He recently was caught mineral hacking on iccup, and maybe we could find his aka. An american zerg player that hotkeys his hatchery with 4 and 9 at the beginning of the game. I don't have a large selection of replays available to compare and contrast, so im not sure if I could figure it out
replay here : Replay of mars
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sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season
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Who cares? What about that kid Siz)sun? Would you say he hasn't been laid cause he plays SC all day? No shit, he's like 13.
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On October 30 2007 12:44 Crooked I wrote:sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season
well neither have you, and u dont have several A accounts...
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Is there a point in arguing over what someone does?
It's his choice, and his time.
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On October 30 2007 12:44 Crooked I wrote:sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season
God damn you are dumb as shit. You realize you are on the EXACT same website as all of us? You play the SAME game, and I'm willing to bet you spend a lot of time on either this game, or some other form of competitive gaming.
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ballonFight just mad coz he didnt get laid all season
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On October 30 2007 12:44 Crooked I wrote:sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season
this kind of guy is the funniest, no offense but Im 100% you're a geek
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Guys, dont go off topic now when someone is finally posting here again.
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On October 30 2007 12:44 Crooked I wrote:sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season
Why do you care? It's his life.
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On October 30 2007 12:44 Crooked I wrote:sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season
maybe he is some kind of snoop dog sourrouded with hot chicks playing sc 24/7 - -a
u never know :o
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LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD
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On October 31 2007 00:59 AstraBoy wrote:
LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD
Please, let's keep the word "progamer" strictly for pro team members. Korean pro teams.
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On October 31 2007 01:51 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2007 00:59 AstraBoy wrote:
LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD Please, let's keep the word "progamer" strictly for pro team members. Korean pro teams.
I think a pro (professional) can be defined as anyone who gets paid for what they do.
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On October 31 2007 01:51 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2007 00:59 AstraBoy wrote:
LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD Please, let's keep the word "progamer" strictly for pro team members. Korean pro teams.
If some guys from random newbie games are called progamers why not him? -_- He is been paid for that
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On October 31 2007 01:51 FirstBorn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2007 00:59 AstraBoy wrote:
LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD Please, let's keep the word "progamer" strictly for pro team members. Korean pro teams.
if u get paid for thing you are doing and you have contract then u are professional gamer no matter what shit u do or play,and for what team u play :p
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On October 31 2007 10:21 GongKyuckTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2007 01:51 FirstBorn wrote:On October 31 2007 00:59 AstraBoy wrote:
LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD Please, let's keep the word "progamer" strictly for pro team members. Korean pro teams. if u get paid for thing you are doing and you have contract then u are professional gamer no matter what shit u do or play,and for what team u play :p
I agree with the man. The mentality defined by "progamer = korean" contributed to the slow development of the foreign bw progaming scene, if you ask me.
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Correction: yu.u is actually LRM)kelsen, not deefy
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progamer has a set meaning in bw context, someone who plays for a korean pro team.
technically anyone who gets paid to play is a professional, but no one ever means that so its kinda useless to quibble over the terms.
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Uh except he said it in a joking way with an included so there's not even anything to argue over.
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On October 31 2007 00:59 AstraBoy wrote:
LOL, well LG)Castro is progamer, and im not kidding, he get paid for playing, he have a contract with a cyber cafe in Bolivia xD
rofl
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this awesome stats show us that PGT was 5 times harder then this! on PGT noone have so good stats with 4 loses only..
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Didn't Testie get A+ without any losses in PGT?
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On November 01 2007 01:49 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Didn't Testie get A+ without any losses in PGT?
If i remember correctly it was 2:2 and Canadian time so he didn't play that many Koreans.
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Now way pgt was harder,you could get B B+ rank easy on pgt,on iccup you struggle at C+ B- ranks
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the mid ranks on iccup are harder because you dont get as many points per motw win, so mediocre players struggle to get up into A ranks. but at the top ranks its way way easier since nowhere near the same number of progamers/semi pros play it.
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On November 01 2007 01:59 coulthard[pR] wrote:
Now way pgt was harder,you could get B B+ rank easy on pgt,on iccup you struggle at C+ B- ranks
cheese style and all-ins are so much powerfull then in pgt days so u will lose more nowdays
especially from D to B+ in bo5 u will get cheese or allin 3of 5 times
A ranks will cheese you once if they succeed easily(if they see u lack in some game basics)they will fuck your over and over with main or offraces
and if u get pissed off or get nervous then that will work in your opponents profit so i can also say that iccup is harder then pgtour
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PGT was much much harder in my opinion that ICCUP. ICCUP was harder at the beginning of the first season. Second half of first season and second season are far easier than PGT was IMO.
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not far easier, but definately somewhat easier
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On November 01 2007 01:55 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2007 01:49 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Didn't Testie get A+ without any losses in PGT? If i remember correctly it was 2:2 and Canadian time so he didn't play that many Koreans.
it was only one match-up in one map all games. he was doing it to proof that map was imbalanced or something
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On October 30 2007 23:20 Scorpion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2007 12:44 Crooked I wrote:sorry, but your trying to justify sitting infront of a computer all day playing a video game, theres a real world out there, Women especially comp cant give you everything based upon all those acc's i think its safe to say castro hasent gotten laid this whole season Why do you care? It's his life.
you forgot that hes also probably a bitter newb.
wishing he was good to even have several C accounts.
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btw testie played only FZ and PvT and went 100-0 but not A+!!!or maybe 104 dunno exactly
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he went 112-0 vs D ranks, nothing else lol
on nfz
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game-i was the hardest, but only because we all REALLY sucked back then T_T
testie raped on that ladder too though
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On November 01 2007 05:34 Tarmak_mk wrote:
btw testie played only FZ and PvT and went 100-0 but not A+!!!or maybe 104 dunno exactly
I thought he did 100-0 on nFZ against Z ?
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less pro players and less non korean top players so coz of that it is much easier... But if there is more pro players then more non korean top players wpuld play more imo.
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Testie went 104-0 on NFZ playing PvT only at PGT.
He ended up at A-. And no he did not play D ranks only, he played the same rank as he was mostly.
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whos taeyeon ? 53-3 looking for ungoro game only
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siaghy is probably some mbc hero progamer
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just some ppl who steal id ~~
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Its amazing how much better Light is than every other player on the ladder
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I think someone said SPARKYZ was cloud last season (lower tier progamer (?))
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I checked the who's who season 1, and SoSam was ClouD. I dont know if SPARKYZ was mentioned or not.
If there are people here who are really good at finding aka's through replays, I have alot of replays of B+/A level koreans etc, that we could try and match. Let me know if I should post em all.
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just 2 random akas that come to mind are
fomos = baka[name]
suckmyballs = paq.rondo
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clanwhite = eavan[White]
IQ150= By.dove
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
On November 07 2007 07:12 AstraBoy wrote:
clanwhite = eavan[White]
IQ150= By.dove
100%?
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If it was the real one i think he'd be in the ToT) ICCUP team ranks, and probably much better stats. I believe HesterPrynn or something similar was Inc's ICCUP season 1 name.
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iNcontroL
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I'm honored to be impersonated But that is not me. I cant get the anti hack to work on ICCUP and the ladder itself doesnt really interest me >_< I will be playing the WGT one assuming it actually comes back.
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Ofcourse he isn't pusan, pusan would hold alot better stats than that.. look at Light.. ok likght is abit better than pusan atm but pusan is still a top notch progamer.
If a good progamer enters he will, just as light[alive] end up A+ with only a few losses.
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I think that more than a 75% is very good for a progamer in the A+ ranks. You can ever eat a cheese, rush, or some weird bo. And... in the leagues I don't know any progamer with more than a 70% of wins (normally they have like 60% or less) so... why practicing against other koreans of a good level will be different? ;P
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On November 07 2007 10:09 to miss the mark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2007 07:12 AstraBoy wrote:
clanwhite = eavan[White]
IQ150= By.dove
100%?
yea but clanwhite is a shared account, but is most used by eavan
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On November 07 2007 23:14 SaJeR wrote:
I think that more than a 75% is very good for a progamer in the A+ ranks. You can ever eat a cheese, rush, or some weird bo. And... in the leagues I don't know any progamer with more than a 70% of wins (normally they have like 60% or less) so... why practicing against other koreans of a good level will be different? ;P
random korean A/A+s don't have shit on a progamer that is on a team's starting roster, cheese or not the level is completely different
the iccup rating scale simply isn't large enough for a progamer to be accurately placed. it'd be pretty surprising to see a progamer at A+ with anything less than a 90% win ratio.
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intrigue, I dont mean this with disrespect, but where are you pulling these facts from?. What you are stating is simply your opinion only, not to mention an opinion of someone who has never gamed with A+ level gamers, let alone any progamers.
When stating that random korean a+'s (who's aka's you dont know) have nothing on pros, it would be rather nice for you to back it up with some legitimate evidence. Even light[alive] has lost to lesser skilled players on this ladder, including a loss to MyM.Mania.
So, seeing his loss to MyM.Mania, proves sajers point much better than yours. The point being, that even progamers can be beat, when playing against someone A+ level (with 70%win+).
In the end, neither of us can be for certain, that your outcome is correct, until every progamer plays bo7 series with every A+ iccup gamer. We all know this is impossible, so we are left simply to our own opinions. NOT FACTS!
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On November 08 2007 03:41 eXigent. wrote:
intrigue, I dont mean this with disrespect, but where are you pulling these facts from?. What you are stating is simply your opinion only, not to mention an opinion of someone who has never gamed with A+ level gamers, let alone any progamers.
When stating that random korean a+'s (who's aka's you dont know) have nothing on pros, it would be rather nice for you to back it up with some legitimate evidence. Even light[alive] has lost to lesser skilled players on this ladder, including a loss to MyM.Mania.
So, seeing his loss to MyM.Mania, proves sajers point much better than yours. The point being, that even progamers can be beat, when playing against someone A+ level (with 70%win+).
In the end, neither of us can be for certain, that your outcome is correct, until every progamer plays bo7 series with every A+ iccup gamer. We all know this is impossible, so we are left simply to our own opinions. NOT FACTS!
using mym.mania vs light is a bad example, because he went like 1-10 vs him -.-
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Actually its not a bad example, and going 1-10 proves my point. So im not sure exactly what you mean by that. It proves that a player like mym.mania can take games off of a top30kespa progamer, even if its 1 game out of 10. Thats 10 out of a hundred. So theoretically, light would be 100-10. There are many semi-pros/amatures on iccup with those stats, so like I said, anyone can be beaten, and to blindly state, without evidence as support, that a korean progamer cannot even be touched on iccup, is just untruthful.
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On November 08 2007 04:46 eXigent. wrote:
Actually its not a bad example, and going 1-10 proves my point. So im not sure exactly what you mean by that. It proves that a player like mym.mania can take games off of a top30kespa progamer, even if its 1 game out of 10. Thats 10 out of a hundred. So theoretically, light would be 100-10. There are many semi-pros/amatures on iccup with those stats, so like I said, anyone can be beaten, and to blindly state, without evidence as support, that a korean progamer cannot even be touched on iccup, is just untruthful.
light is 87-4, 96% wins... i'm not sure where you're going with this? intrigue didn't say progamers couldn't be beaten, he was just saying the level is completely different. it is.
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On November 08 2007 04:46 eXigent. wrote:
Actually its not a bad example, and going 1-10 proves my point. So im not sure exactly what you mean by that. It proves that a player like mym.mania can take games off of a top30kespa progamer, even if its 1 game out of 10. Thats 10 out of a hundred. So theoretically, light would be 100-10. There are many semi-pros/amatures on iccup with those stats, so like I said, anyone can be beaten, and to blindly state, without evidence as support, that a korean progamer cannot even be touched on iccup, is just untruthful.
Just stop ok? There is ONLY ONE A+ PLAYER with stats that are as good as something like 100-10(above 90%), and thats Light. Intrigue is right. Any top tier progamer is going to have a better than 90% based on the information we have. Is it a fact? Of course not. And your little bitch fest about it not being so in your first post was rediculous. Of course it isn't a fact, it's impossible to get the data necessary to have discussions like this with only factual information. However, his opinion was logical and made sense while yours does not. You lose; give it up.
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Actually, he pretty much implied that korean pro's are far far beyond any korean A+ level gamers. Which is flawed logic, and I called him on it. Light has 4 losses to korean amature/semi-pro gamers, so let me quickly state where I am going with this. 4 losses show's he can lose to much lesser skilled players, which puts intrigues comment on trial, until he can provide evidence to back it up. Im just tired of always hearing that korean progamers are simply untouchable blah blah, without providing any sort of evidence to back the claim. I brought evidence to my post, by showing that light has lost 4 games to non-professional gamers.
The level is different yes, in that a korean progamer has a place to play all day, but many of those korean A+ gamers practice JUST as much, so the level is not THAT much different. Progamers come from the korean population, so once again these A+ koreans at home, are pretty close to the level of korean pro, because all korean pro's start off that way. Its logic man.
Lastly, I wouldnt mind having this debate with intrigue himself, and although I do appreciate your input regarding this matter, I would rather not have you speak for someone else, and just let him respond to me on his own. Thanks.
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On November 08 2007 05:26 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 04:46 eXigent. wrote:
Actually its not a bad example, and going 1-10 proves my point. So im not sure exactly what you mean by that. It proves that a player like mym.mania can take games off of a top30kespa progamer, even if its 1 game out of 10. Thats 10 out of a hundred. So theoretically, light would be 100-10. There are many semi-pros/amatures on iccup with those stats, so like I said, anyone can be beaten, and to blindly state, without evidence as support, that a korean progamer cannot even be touched on iccup, is just untruthful. Just stop ok? There is ONLY ONE A+ PLAYER with stats that are as good as something like 100-10(above 90%), and thats Light. Intrigue is right. Any top tier progamer is going to have a better than 90% based on the information we have. Is it a fact? Of course not. And your little bitch fest about it not being so in your first post was rediculous. Of course it isn't a fact, it's impossible to get the data necessary to have discussions like this with only factual information. However, his opinion was logical and made sense while yours does not. You lose; give it up.
Once again, rather than having intrigue respond with a proper debate supporting his opinion, I have you acting someone unprofessional by implying that I am on a "bitchfest", when its pretty much the exact opposite. I am not denying that players like Light are extremely skilled, and obviously close to untouchable on iccup, however I am stating that they are beatable, which intrigue seemed to disagree with. 4 losses on his account showcase my point. So where am I wrong? Point to me where my flaw is? Are those 4 loses imaginary? Can only I see them? All I stated was fact. That light has lost 4 games to non-professional gamers, and you decide to come along, and destroy my post with a possible flame attempt? I dont know you, and im sure you could of come off alot better when addressing me for the first time. Its not like im sitting here acting 12years old, without bringing forth a valid point, and a debate alongside it.
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I don't care if you don't want me to respond to you. You're full of shit, and you clearly don't understand the nature of partial knowledge games (games where you can't see what your opponent is doing). In a game such as this the difference between 95% and 85% win at the highest level of play is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in skill. Your "arguements" are pathetic. The basis of your arguement is that light lost 4 games? Wow. Just wow. Of course anyone can lose to anyone else. The measure of skill is HOW OFTEN this happens. All intrigue said was that progamers were on another level (aka far more skilled) than the top non pros, and the limited data we have completely supports this. He did not say progamers were unbeatable.
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Listen jackass. As we've said like 3 times already, INTRIGUE NEVER SAID PROGAMERS COULDN'T BE BEATEN. You might want to read that a few times to really let it sink in. And yes I'm completely flaming you because you deserve it after pulling an arguement out of your ass against intrigue when you had absolutely no grounds in doing so. Everything he said was accurate, then you put words in his mouth and attacked them. Things he never even wrote. By the way, thats why intrigue isn't "debating" you. There's nothing to debate. The entire basis of your arguement is "light has 4 loses" which doesn't matter at all because, once again, NO ONE EVER SAID TOP PROGAMERS WERE UNBEATABLE.
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On November 08 2007 05:37 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
I don't care if you don't want me to respond to you. You're full of shit, and you clearly don't understand the nature of partial knowledge games (games where you can't see what your opponent is doing). In a game such as this the difference between 95% and 85% win at the highest level of play is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in skill. Your "arguements" are pathetic. The basis of your arguement is that light lost 4 games? Wow. Just wow. Of course anyone can lose to anyone else. The measure of skill is HOW OFTEN this happens. All intrigue said was that progamers were on another level (aka far more skilled) than the top non pros, and the limited data we have completely supports this. He did not say progamers were unbeatable.
Its pretty clear you are here to try and draw me out into some sort of flamewar, otherwise your post would of been a bit more respectable. Im glad you think im full of shit, we all are. Its human waste, I remove mine every morning before breakfast. You?.
You pretty much are wasting space responding to me, because your post just agreed with mine. I have stated 3 times now that I also believe korean progamers are pretty close to untouchable, and that at times, even the best are beatable by sub-tier players. So, reading your post above, you said the samething as me. Why are you arguing with me, when he have both stated the same thing? How can someone debate on here, without having people like you misunderstand, and simply try and start a flamewar. So far, 2posts from you contain personal attacks, and nothing anymore relevant than that. Actually, I dunno why I even read them lol.
So lets reiterate, you have posted the same thing as me, and yet you are fighting me on it. So we both agree that progamers are borderline untouchable, but can lose sometimes (LIKE I JUST SAID BY SHOWING LIGHTS 4 LOSES). So, where are YOU heading with this? because so far, I cant find where we dont agree.
now to give you something to flame me about. Dont respond to me with some random made up 95%/85% winrate difference BS. That came 100% out of your own mind, and has absolutely no merit in this conversation. You made that statement up, and until you can prove statistically that all 95% win percentage players outweigh anyone averaging an 85%win percentage, your statement is pure opinion, and means nothing.
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One last thing before Theforeverwar decides to go all out, and curse the night away. I never once said intrigue stated that. I simply stated my opinion that what he said was wrong. You dont have to outright say something for it to be implied. He implied that \"RANDOM A/A+ level KOREANS DONT HAVE SHIT ON PROGAMERS". So to me that pretty much implies that he thinks, random A+ koreans CANNOT BEAT progamers. The reason I asked you not to step in and start flaming me like an arrogant teenager, is because I wanted intrigue to respond, clarifiying his POST
So, he would respond and clarify. I would either offer him an apology (like a proper man would) if I was wrong with his assumptions, OR, I would continue to debate with him, if I was right about his assumptions. Now however, I have you flaming me over and over, when all I simply wanted was intrigue to respond , clarifying what he meant. SIMPLE AS THAT...ok? but please, I know you wont be able to resist. Go ahead, and start flaming, ive already went too much off topic, and seem to be dragging you with me.
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On November 08 2007 05:47 eXigent. wrote:
You pretty much are wasting space responding to me, because your post just agreed with mine. I have stated 3 times now that I also believe korean progamers are pretty close to untouchable, and that at times, even the best are beatable by sub-tier players. So, reading your post above, you said the samething as me. Why are you arguing with me, when he have both stated the same thing? How can someone debate on here, without having people like you misunderstand, and simply try and start a flamewar. So far, 2posts from you contain personal attacks, and nothing anymore relevant than that. Actually, I dunno why I even read them lol.
So lets reiterate, you have posted the same thing as me, and yet you are fighting me on it. So we both agree that progamers are borderline untouchable, but can lose sometimes (LIKE I JUST SAID BY SHOWING LIGHTS 4 LOSES). So, where are YOU heading with this? because so far, I cant find where we dont agree.
you're wasting space too, because you started by "debating" intrigue's viewpoint even though there was no reason to...
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On November 08 2007 05:53 eXigent. wrote:
One last thing before Theforeverwar decides to go all out, and curse the night away. I never once said intrigue stated that. I simply stated my opinion that what he said was wrong. You dont have to outright say something for it to be implied. He implied that \"RANDOM A/A+ level KOREANS DONT HAVE SHIT ON PROGAMERS". So to me that pretty much implies that he thinks, random A+ koreans CANNOT BEAT progamers. The reason I asked you not to step in and start flaming me like an arrogant teenager, is because I wanted intrigue to respond, clarifiying his POST
So, he would respond and clarify. I would either offer him an apology (like a proper man would) if I was wrong with his assumptions, OR, I would continue to debate with him, if I was right about his assumptions. Now however, I have you flaming me over and over, when all I simply wanted was intrigue to respond , clarifying what he meant. SIMPLE AS THAT...ok? but please, I know you wont be able to resist. Go ahead, and start flaming, ive already went too much off topic, and seem to be dragging you with me.
maybe you should re read his post? he didn't say that random a+ koreans can't beat pros, he just said they'd lose to them almost all the time. the fact that light is 87-4 proves that, not the other way around.
On November 08 2007 02:29 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2007 23:14 SaJeR wrote:
I think that more than a 75% is very good for a progamer in the A+ ranks. You can ever eat a cheese, rush, or some weird bo. And... in the leagues I don't know any progamer with more than a 70% of wins (normally they have like 60% or less) so... why practicing against other koreans of a good level will be different? ;P random korean A/A+s don't have shit on a progamer that is on a team's starting roster, cheese or not the level is completely different the iccup rating scale simply isn't large enough for a progamer to be accurately placed. it'd be pretty surprising to see a progamer at A+ with anything less than a 90% win ratio.
note that fact that he said "anything less than 90% win ratio"
i guess your argument is fair because in your mind you twisted this statement into intrigue saying "LOLOL PROS SLAY EVERYONE ON ICCUP EZILY A+ NERDS HAVE NO CHANCE"
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Actually, it would of equated to 4 posts total. Him responding to me, and me responding to that. That's not wasted space in a forum used for typing...is it? I dont intend on creating drama/hatred towards my personality, but usually when someone attacks me on a personal level, its grounds for a response. Other than that, I apologize for using up space, and maybe next time if people can act calm, and relaxed, I can leave the fire extinguisher at the door =/.
EDIT: You also need to read his post, because he didnt say they would lose to them all the time either. He said, they dont got shit on them. That is not what you stated above now is it?. This crap works both ways, so lets drop it. thanks.
I didnt twist his statement either. Whats with you people and putting words into my mouth lol. I simply stated my opinion. Which was the opposite of his. Arrest me now?
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This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting.
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So basicly intrigue said random A+ koreans dont have shit on top progamers and you said they do.
Now we only have to find out what having shit on someone means, once you've cleared that up we can go on with posting irrelevant information of iccup-koreans because midian and his repcrew isn't here anymore
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On November 08 2007 06:09 eXigent. wrote:
Actually, it would of equated to 4 posts total. Him responding to me, and me responding to that. That's not wasted space in a forum used for typing...is it? I dont intend on creating drama/hatred towards my personality, but usually when someone attacks me on a personal level, its grounds for a response. Other than that, I apologize for using up space, and maybe next time if people can act calm, and relaxed, I can leave the fire extinguisher at the door =/.
EDIT: You also need to read his post, because he didnt say they would lose to them all the time either. He said, they dont got shit on them. That is not what you stated above now is it?. This crap works both ways, so lets drop it. thanks.
I didnt twist his statement either. Whats with you people and putting words into my mouth lol. I simply stated my opinion. Which was the opposite of his. Arrest me now? you dont even KNOW if your opinion is the opposite of his, because you don't seem to be clear on what his opinion was...anoth3rday is right -_-
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
hm, it seems like i wasn't clear enough
what i meant was LOLOL PROS SLAY EVERYONE ON ICCUP EZILY A+ NERDS HAVE NO CHANCE
edit: exigent, let's just drop it unless you feel that you have been slapped in the face or severely wronged by my initial post (in which case you can pm me). i honestly don't care enough about the subject to try to argue.
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Thank you, finally someone with a calm response!
I hear finding the meaning of "having shit on someone" is a journey all in its own. A good 15page, flame filled, neverending, eventually coming down to personal insult journey. I'd need new shoes T_T
just to get things back on topic: Some replays of A ranked gamers. Col_drake has 130,000 replays, and maybe he should put them to good use! Trying to find hotkey matches.
Toma217 - A- 112-69
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Suzuki B- 60-19
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SpiritofZerg A 165-149
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Also, I see sea.up is playing as well. 1 loss to bate, who was removed for both win abusing and mineral hacking. I asked him if he was UpMagic, and told him he did good against NaDa. He responded with "k, ty". Maybe he will play in a tournament, and we can see a replay.
Sea.up
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GGoMa)is( = hungtran back again :p
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uhh no its not hungtran, hungtran is playing on a diff name, ggoma = xlo.vanilla
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On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting.
I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you
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I know that on West that Vanilla guy who was caught hacking used GGoMa)iS(
And he's on ICCUP xLo team, so its probably him since he's on xLo.
Oh duh just noticed months said it already above me.
And foreverwar no worries ;p
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On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you
Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it
Anyway more Replays of A level gamers.
SpcmTeam A- 140-69
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activeyoon A- 178-114
10games
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On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting.
true he must be a big snapcase in real life with no friends.
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On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games
Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts.
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stupid question: are Idra & hungtran the same person or completely have nothing to do with one another?
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hung is stupid hacker and idra is a pretty good player
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On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts.
Oh God I can't stop laughing hahahaha
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On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts.
I can't tell if you misspelled noble or used "Nobel" as a pun, but either way it works well
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On November 08 2007 12:39 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
I know that on West that Vanilla guy who was caught hacking used GGoMa)iS(
And he's on ICCUP xLo team, so its probably him since he's on xLo.
Oh duh just noticed months said it already above me.
And foreverwar no worries ;p
haha na, he didnt hack but yeah he definately abused in a tournament with obs
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On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts.
I kinda figured you would never be able to drop it. Teenage boys have a tendency to continually talk shit until they are blue in the face. Once again, you go off on some rant that in the end probably made you feel like a much better human being. Congrats on that one. Once again you put a whole bunch of statements in my mouth just like the teenage boy you are. Once again you attack me with insults, hoping in the end it makes you feel much better about yourself, when we can both clearly see that you obviously crave attention from your peers. Did this stem from early child abuse? lack of social friends? or just a shitty outlook on life?.
Dunno why you brought ghandi and gore into this, and you couldnt be more random with your comments. I was merely stating that you attack people with your retarded behavior, and then when you get a decent response, that for some reason is not personally flaming you back, you act upon it, even worse that before. Get some friends, and maybe pop a vicoden. The fuckin vein bulging on your massive sized forehead will thank you for it. (see we can both play these games)
There is only 1 major difference here. You have 3000posts apparently all filled with worthless jabber and arguments, whereas I have but a mere 100, and have already posted over 20 replays of A ranked gamers. I mean come on, how many more times are you gonna take a stab at me, before actuall contributing to the topic at hand?.....thought so.
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On November 09 2007 03:48 Months wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 12:39 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
I know that on West that Vanilla guy who was caught hacking used GGoMa)iS(
And he's on ICCUP xLo team, so its probably him since he's on xLo.
Oh duh just noticed months said it already above me.
And foreverwar no worries ;p haha na, he didnt hack but yeah he definately abused in a tournament with obs
he hacked, he just made up that excuse and no one really cared because hes a nobody anyway.
there was 0 delay between the movement of his lings and the movement of the mmf he was mirroring. it was hack, not obs cheat.
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On November 09 2007 05:29 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts. I kinda figured you would never be able to drop it. Teenage boys have a tendency to continually talk shit until they are blue in the face. Once again, you go off on some rant that in the end probably made you feel like a much better human being. Congrats on that one. Once again you put a whole bunch of statements in my mouth just like the teenage boy you are. Once again you attack me with insults, hoping in the end it makes you feel much better about yourself, when we can both clearly see that you obviously crave attention from your peers. Did this stem from early child abuse? lack of social friends? or just a shitty outlook on life?. Dunno why you brought ghandi and gore into this, and you couldnt be more random with your comments. I was merely stating that you attack people with your retarded behavior, and then when you get a decent response, that for some reason is not personally flaming you back, you act upon it, even worse that before. Get some friends, and maybe pop a vicoden. The fuckin vein bulging on your massive sized forehead will thank you for it. (see we can both play these games) There is only 1 major difference here. You have 3000posts apparently all filled with worthless jabber and arguments, whereas I have but a mere 100, and have already posted over 20 replays of A ranked gamers. I mean come on, how many more times are you gonna take a stab at me, before actuall contributing to the topic at hand?.....thought so.
1 other major difference
he was right and you were wrong, flaming is excusable when you're arguing with someone who is blatantly wrong but unable to understand it or unwilling to admit it.
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On November 09 2007 05:57 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2007 05:29 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts. I kinda figured you would never be able to drop it. Teenage boys have a tendency to continually talk shit until they are blue in the face. Once again, you go off on some rant that in the end probably made you feel like a much better human being. Congrats on that one. Once again you put a whole bunch of statements in my mouth just like the teenage boy you are. Once again you attack me with insults, hoping in the end it makes you feel much better about yourself, when we can both clearly see that you obviously crave attention from your peers. Did this stem from early child abuse? lack of social friends? or just a shitty outlook on life?. Dunno why you brought ghandi and gore into this, and you couldnt be more random with your comments. I was merely stating that you attack people with your retarded behavior, and then when you get a decent response, that for some reason is not personally flaming you back, you act upon it, even worse that before. Get some friends, and maybe pop a vicoden. The fuckin vein bulging on your massive sized forehead will thank you for it. (see we can both play these games) There is only 1 major difference here. You have 3000posts apparently all filled with worthless jabber and arguments, whereas I have but a mere 100, and have already posted over 20 replays of A ranked gamers. I mean come on, how many more times are you gonna take a stab at me, before actuall contributing to the topic at hand?.....thought so. 1 other major difference he was right and you were wrong, flaming is excusable when you're arguing with someone who is blatantly wrong but unable to understand it or unwilling to admit it.
First off Idra, your not one to talk. I read many arguements you have on these boards, and you sit in the same situation. Secondly, when I state my opinion on something, then thats what it is. My opinion. 3rd. What was he right about? the personal attacks? or his opinion?.
Quite frankly, you provide zero evidence supporting your claim, and instead decide that since you 2 are possibly friends, you would jump on his bandwagon and claim that I am wrong. I even brought a form of evidence to back up my "opinion", whereas he did not. But once again I am wrong. I stated the exact same thing as him, pretty much to a tee. So im wrong, but he is right? Is that even possbile for 2 people to state the samething, and have 1 of them wrong? I mean come on, grow up, you are suppose to be attending some decent ranked school, yet you debate like uninformed unintelligent little child. Throw some facts my way, provide some evidence for your claim, or kindly stop. thanks.
EDIT : Removed any sort of personal attack. My bad, I dont mean to lower myself to that. So I send an apology to idra.
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On November 09 2007 05:55 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2007 03:48 Months wrote:On November 08 2007 12:39 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
I know that on West that Vanilla guy who was caught hacking used GGoMa)iS(
And he's on ICCUP xLo team, so its probably him since he's on xLo.
Oh duh just noticed months said it already above me.
And foreverwar no worries ;p haha na, he didnt hack but yeah he definately abused in a tournament with obs he hacked, he just made up that excuse and no one really cared because hes a nobody anyway. there was 0 delay between the movement of his lings and the movement of the mmf he was mirroring. it was hack, not obs cheat.
he never hacked, i know what went on, he used ventrillo with one of his friends. idra you're just sad you play this game 24/7 and hes like 5-2 vs you. please, for your sake and the rest of teamliquids, go outside you pale ass geek and maybe if you associated yourself with people other than artosis and those faggots you wouldnt be such a raged nerd on the forums lol =]
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oh yeah, you think you're a somebody on broodwars? yeah you're right. you're the kid who plays 24/7 and stil gets his shit pushed in by nonamers such as vanilla
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dont forget to use MLA format when you're writing for 5 paragraph essay greg!
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sigh
didnt say anything about myself, just said vanilla is a nobody, which is true. had mondragon been caught hacking in a big tournament like vanilla was everyone woulda been in an uproar, but they werent because nobody knew or cared who he was.
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aww greg what's up man? reality setting in? you finally realizing you're a dumb nerd and it's time you should just grow a pair and shut your mouth?
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On November 09 2007 06:12 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2007 05:57 IdrA wrote:On November 09 2007 05:29 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 15:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 13:02 eXigent. wrote:On November 08 2007 12:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On November 08 2007 06:45 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
This is hilarious, ForeverWar always overreacts massively to everything and starts shouting. I wasn't shouting. I was merely annoyed at his pulling an argument out of his ass. He was arguing something completely contreived. Intrigue never even wrote the things that he was arguing against. Also I'd like to say that your statement is a gross exaggeration. On the other hand, I'm glad I could amuse you Actually if you read my initial post, I was merely stating my opinion wich was opposite that of intrigue. I was casually and patiently waiting for him to respond, with the possibility of debating opinions. You however of course came along, and made it seem as though I was throwing out some huge argument trying to defy the laws of progamer science!. When really I was merely responding to intrigues post. He responded back by the way, in a very respectful manner. I also remember politely asking you to refrain from continuing your personal attacks, and yet even still you sit there and bash me. Someone you have never met, nor have spoken to. Im not even being irrational, or immature. I stated my opinion in a civilized manner, and was attacked for it Anyway more Replays of A level gamers. SpcmTeam A- 140-69ReplayReplayReplayactiveyoon A- 178-11410games Congradufuckulations Ghandi. I'll have the nobel peace prize guys look into you. You probably deserve it more than Gore. You are a credit to this forum and society in general. All who oppose you are cleary flawed, irrational, angry human beings whose only purpose in life is to attack your perfect logic and destroy it. I salute you and your proud and nobel efforts. I kinda figured you would never be able to drop it. Teenage boys have a tendency to continually talk shit until they are blue in the face. Once again, you go off on some rant that in the end probably made you feel like a much better human being. Congrats on that one. Once again you put a whole bunch of statements in my mouth just like the teenage boy you are. Once again you attack me with insults, hoping in the end it makes you feel much better about yourself, when we can both clearly see that you obviously crave attention from your peers. Did this stem from early child abuse? lack of social friends? or just a shitty outlook on life?. Dunno why you brought ghandi and gore into this, and you couldnt be more random with your comments. I was merely stating that you attack people with your retarded behavior, and then when you get a decent response, that for some reason is not personally flaming you back, you act upon it, even worse that before. Get some friends, and maybe pop a vicoden. The fuckin vein bulging on your massive sized forehead will thank you for it. (see we can both play these games) There is only 1 major difference here. You have 3000posts apparently all filled with worthless jabber and arguments, whereas I have but a mere 100, and have already posted over 20 replays of A ranked gamers. I mean come on, how many more times are you gonna take a stab at me, before actuall contributing to the topic at hand?.....thought so. 1 other major difference he was right and you were wrong, flaming is excusable when you're arguing with someone who is blatantly wrong but unable to understand it or unwilling to admit it. First off Idra, your not one to talk. I read many arguements you have on these boards, and you sit in the same situation. Secondly, when I state my opinion on something, then thats what it is. My opinion. 3rd. What was he right about? the personal attacks? or his opinion?. Quite frankly, you provide zero evidence supporting your claim, and instead decide that since you 2 are possibly friends, you would jump on his bandwagon and claim that I am wrong. I even brought a form of evidence to back up my "opinion", whereas he did not. But once again I am wrong. I stated the exact same thing as him, pretty much to a tee. So im wrong, but he is right? Is that even possbile for 2 people to state the samething, and have 1 of them wrong? I mean come on, grow up, you are suppose to be attending some decent ranked school, yet you debate like uninformed unintelligent little child. Throw some facts my way, provide some evidence for your claim, or kindly stop. thanks. EDIT : Removed any sort of personal attack. My bad, I dont mean to lower myself to that. So I send an apology to idra.
"Actually, he pretty much implied that korean pro's are far far beyond any korean A+ level gamers. Which is flawed logic, and I called him on it. Light has 4 losses to korean amature/semi-pro gamers, so let me quickly state where I am going with this. 4 losses show's he can lose to much lesser skilled players, which puts intrigues comment on trial, until he can provide evidence to back it up. Im just tired of always hearing that korean progamers are simply untouchable blah blah, without providing any sort of evidence to back the claim. I brought evidence to my post, by showing that light has lost 4 games to non-professional gamers."
pros are far far beyond amateur A+ koreans, the very stats you're referencing prove that. nobodys invincible, especially in a game with an unavoidable luck aspect. but only dropping 4 games up to A+, and going 10-1 or w/e vs one of the better non pros on the server... ya A+ kors are real fuckin close to progamers.
the reason i didnt include that in my first post is the other people you were arguing with have already said it.. multiple times
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On November 09 2007 06:38 Months wrote:
aww greg what's up man? reality setting in? you finally realizing you're a dumb nerd and it's time you should just grow a pair and shut your mouth?
how do you manage to operate a computer
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how do you manage to socialize with people, oh wait..
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Idra, What I was simply trying to state is that the gap is there yes, and I agree with it 100%. However, my point was that all korean progamers come from their own homes at one point. Which means every single one of them were the unknown/random korean A+ gamer. So, the only point I was trying to make was that these amature koreans at A+ are not really THAT far away from a korean pro, compared to say, testie.
So basically it took 3 pages and a ton of posts for me to clarify this. Korean progamers come from the same place that A+ korean gamers are at right now. That being said, those A+ level korean gamers at home probably compete to become the next progamer. So its fair to say that yes, there is a gap, but no it is not as big as everyone is making it out to be. Maybe the gap between savior and xeite is HUGE, but the gap between xeite (mym.mania) and an average/mid level progamer is not as big as some people think.
A good example of this was when boxer found iloveoov on gamei, and couldnt understand how he was soo good. He took him under his wing, and transformed the guy into a monster. Before that happened though, Iloveoov was a RANDOM A+ LEVEL KOREAN GAMER!!!!!!
see what im saying? That there is a gap yes, but that every progamer has come from the same spot, and every new progamer coming into the scene as well. They were all A+ random korean gamers at one point.
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EXIGENT WILL U JSUT FUKING DROP IT ALREADY HOLY SHIIT....................
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It called a debate, I am being mannered, and at the sametime contributing replays to this post. If you choose not to follow my debate, that I managed to clarify just 1 post above you, then I kindly ask you to refrain from reading my posts. This way, you can goto bed happy tonight!
EDIT: More replays.
Here are some replays of the current number 1 ranked player on iccup.
Siahgy A+
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Listen, just stop posting in this thread unless it has to do with an aka that's been revealed or another replay. I'm tired of reading ur fuking nonsense and don't even tell me to not read them, just stop. As a matter a fact DO NOT REPLY BACK TO THIS POST UNLESS IT DEALS WITH WHAT I WROTE IN SENTENCE ONE. Thank you, have a nice day.
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Actually, 1, you are not a moderator, and your opinion means literally jack shit to me. So I will continue to post here, and add replays as I choose. Now, secondly, if you were to stop, and breath really quickly, you would see once again, just ONE post above yours, I have uploaded 3 replays of the current number 1 player on iccup.
Dont ever think that I will take your advice and just move on. I dont know you, you dont know me. So once again if you have some sort of problem with me, refrain from reading my posts, or is that too hard for someone of your intelligence to do? If you want, I could attach a HUGE. MARINE23 DONT READ MEE!!!! IT MIGHT PISS YOU OFF!!!!!!! spoiler tag in front of my posts if you want, but im sure we both know you are little bit smarter than that. goodday
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On September 04 2007 21:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Awesome. Lets not turn this thread into the running sore the season 1 thread became. Good luck all gamers!
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On November 09 2007 07:13 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2007 21:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
Awesome. Lets not turn this thread into the running sore the season 1 thread became. Good luck all gamers!
You are right, If I had known that posting my own personal opinion, and following it up with a bit of healthy debate would result in 5 pages of people going off their rocker, I wouldnt of posted at all I dont plan on responding to anyone else, because like I said, no one can debate without having some random guys freak out. So I wont respond concerning my "DEBATE" any longer.
However, out of all of those people yelling, and going off on me, I was the only 1 to remain level headed and calm, and STILL provide 15 or so replays towards the thread. People like marine need to grow up and learn that this is a forum, and they can choose to NOT read something that bothers them. Simple as that. Im done, goodbye
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Calgary25972 Posts
Okay, enough is enough. People who needed to be warned, were. Discussions beyond the point of the thread are fine, but this "debate" has clearly gone on to the point no one is going to convince each other.
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Top professional gamers are far above A+ players.
By leaps and bounds.
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Every amateur gamer who can achieve A+ or even A on his own safely has the potential to become a top tier pro, especially if he is young, talented and willing to work hard. The reason for this is that the transformation once he gets inside a pro team is monstrous. Being accepted in a pro team means getting access to all the tech, having top quality feedback, plenty of top skilled partners and the proper training methods. How can it be otherwise? Now compare this with playing alone in your house as most top foreigners do. That tranformation only happens to koreans though, due to the communication and culture barrier that a foreigner in a korean team has. My opinion is that if an all-foreign pro team was to be formed with everything that means (living together, practicing all day and especially helping each other become better) , in 6 months time it would kick some major ass.
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testie always tries to glorify the korean pros cuz he hasnt any chance even vs the worst, thats his way to keep his little remaining self-esteem
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why nope? yes you need to work but theres the possibility, when aficiniado found july he was a 1300 gamei terran and went to being one of the best zerg users at his peak.. but having the drive to practice as much as the korean progamers do is really hard, from the time pj spent at skt1 he got his pvz from being trash and losing 0-4 to sen to being able to win savior 2-1 at wcg
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before savior got famous he was playing insanely pgtour and all other kind of ladders. i remember him on neo gamei with his tucson account ( tucson was the [gm] clan) playing the whole day and he had similar stats to a 75% A+er nowadays.
this is 2 years ago, btw some old neogamei replay of him( i think 1.12 or 11)
http://www.ygosu.com/replay/download.yg?idx=12473
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whoever thinks A+ amateurs are not too far behind of korean progamers are stupid..maybe they should get A+ first, then try playing the korean progamers...
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On November 09 2007 10:49 stalife wrote:
whoever thinks A+ amateurs are not too far behind of korean progamers are stupid..maybe they should get A+ first, then try playing the korean progamers...
not saying that their close to their lvl but every progamer had to start of from somewhere also, some even worse then the a+ amateurs
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On November 09 2007 11:16 kamehameha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2007 10:49 stalife wrote:
whoever thinks A+ amateurs are not too far behind of korean progamers are stupid..maybe they should get A+ first, then try playing the korean progamers... not saying that their close to their lvl but every progamer had to start of from somewhere also, some even worse then the a+ amateurs
Just drop that topic.
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relax the whole point of threads is to engange into debates
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eh no thats not the purpose of this thread. this is going offtopic every page
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ur not going to have akas popping out every 5 seconds and u cant force people to post akas,maybe they dont want to or nobody simply knows any akas for now, what u can do is try to keep the thread alive with interesting discussions
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well yeah no shit, yao ming wasn't born 7 feet tall.. everybody starts somewhere, if you use that argument, then those A+ amateurs came from somewhere else too -_-a What I'm referring to is the current skill level of the korean progamer vs A+ amateurs ...
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did gO)Bless get caught hacking or something? he was like 55-5 B+ now hes 0-0
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On November 09 2007 11:59 kamehameha wrote:
ur not going to have akas popping out every 5 seconds and u cant force people to post akas,maybe they dont want to or nobody simply knows any akas for now, what u can do is try to keep the thread alive with interesting discussions
interesting discussions are okay
pointless and stupid arguments about something nobody besides you and few others care about aren't.
Plus it's really going nowhere..
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And neither is this now drop it...
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On November 09 2007 12:19 TopKlass wrote:
did gO)Bless get caught hacking or something? he was like 55-5 B+ now hes 0-0
Most likely he just reset.
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no go)bless transferred to another aka
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when people aren't yelling stuff at eachother i find it quite interesting to read though, rather than thread being dead 24/7
excigent your link isnlt working to me ://
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Satanik idea of putting some foreigners in a house to train eachother all day provided with all necessary stuff is interesting though, I also think that in 6 month they could reach progamers level.
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no they couldnt
draco/lx/pj were living and playing with koreans and barely reached progamer level after a year(its hard to say if they did or not since we barely saw them play vs other pros)
and you would progress even slower practicing vs other foreigners, since foreigners are far worse than koreans.
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On November 09 2007 10:32 no.1 wrote:before savior got famous he was playing insanely pgtour and all other kind of ladders. i remember him on neo gamei with his tucson account ( tucson was the [gm] clan) playing the whole day and he had similar stats to a 75% A+er nowadays. this is 2 years ago, btw some old neogamei replay of him( i think 1.12 or 11) http://www.ygosu.com/replay/download.yg?idx=12473
no ones saying A+ amateurs dont have the potential to be progamers, everyone has to start somewhere.
the point is that, currently, they are no where near progamers. which is true. when savior was an unknown ladder player he was worse than the progamers of the time too.
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On November 09 2007 22:46 Sumo wrote:Bisu
u gotta be kidding me lol =p
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On November 10 2007 01:58 IdrA wrote:
no they couldnt
draco/lx/pj were living and playing with koreans and barely reached progamer level after a year(its hard to say if they did or not since we barely saw them play vs other pros)
and you would progress even slower practicing vs other foreigners, since foreigners are far worse than koreans.
Satanik ment to put only foreigners in one house for six months, not foreigners in korean pro house. And that would be great thing... To put Sen, Mondi, Ra, Pj, Lx, Testie, Androide, Ex, Draco... in one house for six months and give them same conditios like ones korean pros have.
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i know, thats what i commented on
if you put those foreigners in a kor pro house they would do pretty well.
put them all together and they would improve.. very slowly. it takes foreigners a long time to approach pro level when theyre practicing with progamers, imagine how long it would take just playing vs other foreigners.
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On November 10 2007 02:37 CapO wrote:u gotta be kidding me lol =p
Yes, he's kidding you.
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almost every kor progamer was playing a long time before he/she became famous. its not like kor gamers have a special genetic contructed to be unusual good @ bw, the main reason why there are so many good koreans is simply because in korea almost every kid played bw at least 1 time in his life, so the chance producing talents there is just x times higher than everywhere else.
therefore if you put some gifted, strong-willed foreigners together in a house its only a matter of time till the reach a adequate progaming level.
you shouldnt always put the fact that they are koreans to the fore, its based on the surroundings.
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im not saying koreans are naturally better
but the fact is, because of the difference in environments, korean pros are massively better right now. so obviously its more beneficial to practice vs them than foreigners (you learn more and improve faster by playing people better than yourself). the fact that top foreigners still take a year or more to reach progamer ability when practicing vs pro koreans means it will take even longer for top foreigners to reach pro level just practicing with each other.
im not saying it would be impossible, just that it would take way longer than 6 months and would be far less efficient than sticking 1-2 top foreigners in each pro team.
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actually if you put all non koreans in a room together, i think it would work better than just one non korean in a room with koreans. I think the major issue is that non-koreans do not get a good chance to learn due to the major communication issues in Korea programming.
If you had all non-koreans who speak english, then they can share ideas and discuss strategies and learn gradually. I think all non-koreans with maybe one experienced korean coach who speaks english well, would work good.
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On November 10 2007 03:50 IdrA wrote:
im not saying koreans are naturally better
but the fact is, because of the difference in environments, korean pros are massively better right now. so obviously its more beneficial to practice vs them than foreigners (you learn more and improve faster by playing people better than yourself). the fact that top foreigners still take a year or more to reach progamer ability when practicing vs pro koreans means it will take even longer for top foreigners to reach pro level just practicing with each other.
im not saying it would be impossible, just that it would take way longer than 6 months and would be far less efficient than sticking 1-2 top foreigners in each pro team.
I dunno about it taking neccesarily longer, I dont know how some of you guys learn/play, but usually something clicks and then I make a huge leap in knowledge/skill, and its there for good. BW could be like that, maybe theres an aspect of the game someone has neglected or doesnt understand that could help them improve greatly. You cant say for sure.
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that would be true if the biggest stepping stone between good foreigner and progamer was strategy or intelligence, but it isnt. if you compare games of both the biggest, most obvious difference is mechanics.
some top foreigners like mondi, testie are clearly smarter, more creative players than some of the cookie-cutter terran pros. but theyre just so far behind in micro, macro, timing that they cant beat them anyway.
its not like you go into a pro team and they teach you secret game-altering strategies. you just practice, and practice, and practice, and practice.
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A team is alot more than individuals practicing together, much like a friend is a lot more than a classmate. The same aplies to brood war: when u think of the other players like classmates that you antagonise, u get a certain drive as the better they are the more u push yourself to become better. In this case what you are only trying is to be the best and u dont give jack about the others. You are on your own. On the other hand when u regard your team members like family, you give your care and time to everyone needing help, in the areas they need it. Thats enormous boost. And to give a somewhat funny example: Imagine you being Boxer and having in your team Idra and oov. They are of same strength, young and promising, eager to become better and stuff. But u just happen to feel a little more sympathy for oov for some weird reason (cuteness,kindness,karma,the fact that u can get some advice about the girl you like in a language that u understand, u name it). So you are spending most of your time with him, seeing his games, locating his weaknesses, advising him,encouraging him, even sharing jokes about nuke rushes vs protoss.
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satanik is totaly right
anyone who trained any team sport and gone trought bad and good sponsored teams with top players in their country should know this feeling
and i know that practicing team sport isnt same like practicing one on one in bw
but playing in best enviroment and been 24/7 with best players will give u extra boost and motivation if u are hungry for hard work and patient for succes
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On November 10 2007 04:28 IdrA wrote:
that would be true if the biggest stepping stone between good foreigner and progamer was strategy or intelligence, but it isnt. if you compare games of both the biggest, most obvious difference is mechanics.
some top foreigners like mondi, testie are clearly smarter, more creative players than some of the cookie-cutter terran pros. but theyre just so far behind in micro, macro, timing that they cant beat them anyway.
its not like you go into a pro team and they teach you secret game-altering strategies. you just practice, and practice, and practice, and practice.
thats true but there are aspects that you may not think about necessarily that could greatly improve your game, + there could be tips on mechanics.
Im not saying it would be that way for everyone, im just saying that sometimes getting another perspective on something could help you out. For some people that perspective could completely change their game.
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i split ad999 with some friends, but yeah i played that game;) abit sloppy but it was a nice game i think lots of action
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On November 11 2007 22:30 sataNik[pG] wrote:
A team is alot more than individuals practicing together, much like a friend is a lot more than a classmate. The same aplies to brood war: when u think of the other players like classmates that you antagonise, u get a certain drive as the better they are the more u push yourself to become better. In this case what you are only trying is to be the best and u dont give jack about the others. You are on your own. On the other hand when u regard your team members like family, you give your care and time to everyone needing help, in the areas they need it. Thats enormous boost. And to give a somewhat funny example: Imagine you being Boxer and having in your team Idra and oov. They are of same strength, young and promising, eager to become better and stuff. But u just happen to feel a little more sympathy for oov for some weird reason (cuteness,kindness,karma,the fact that u can get some advice about the girl you like in a language that u understand, u name it). So you are spending most of your time with him, seeing his games, locating his weaknesses, advising him,encouraging him, even sharing jokes about nuke rushes vs protoss.
so everything rests on the assumption that koreans wont help a foreigner in their team as much as they help another korean?
the more successful the team is the better it is for them. having a white guy succeed would be massive publicity for the team, from a purely practical standpoint they should be more eager to help the foreigner.
from a personal standpoint i think that depends wholly on the person. i know there are plenty of koreans id feel much more inclined to befriend than some americans.
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On November 12 2007 00:05 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2007 04:28 IdrA wrote:
that would be true if the biggest stepping stone between good foreigner and progamer was strategy or intelligence, but it isnt. if you compare games of both the biggest, most obvious difference is mechanics.
some top foreigners like mondi, testie are clearly smarter, more creative players than some of the cookie-cutter terran pros. but theyre just so far behind in micro, macro, timing that they cant beat them anyway.
its not like you go into a pro team and they teach you secret game-altering strategies. you just practice, and practice, and practice, and practice. thats true but there are aspects that you may not think about necessarily that could greatly improve your game, + there could be tips on mechanics. Im not saying it would be that way for everyone, im just saying that sometimes getting another perspective on something could help you out. For some people that perspective could completely change their game.
well its not like theres absolutely no communication, i dont know about the other teams but estro and cj coaches speak english well, and i assume there is at least one person on every team who speaks passable english.
obviously there are benefits to being on a foreigner team too, i just think the quality of practice you receive from a pro team would far far outweigh them.
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Jesus @ 444 - 731 - 0
That might be more games than i've played this year, holy crap~
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more games than Ive played in my lfie TT
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this guy, siahgy is in the same team as ligth[alive] (gongbangsingi)
assuming that gongbangsingi is really ligth[alive]...
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i was wondering who is Castro?>
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is awesome32271 Posts
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the only zerg player i know in only. is Only.KenShin aka Only.ChecK, theres maru also but i doubt its him
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I didn't see it posted but does anyone know who 1300 is? He's a Greek player with really nice stats.
Sorry if it was asked earlier.
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Im pretty sure someone already stated that 1300 is satanik.
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any recent replays of satanik? his play is entertaining
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On November 12 2007 05:17 BlueStar wrote:
i was wondering who is Castro?>
some zerg from peru who recently got sponsored by a bolivian company and its paying him trips to korea, cash etc
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dunno many people say that in spanish forums
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dont mind me going off topic here, but i just found something out 3 koreans just told me that their not allowed to have sex until the age of 19 infact its their law.
Now this answeres many questions, like the biggest 1 of them all. Why are they so good at bw ?
The answere: they have 19 years of their life of complete bordem obviously they would be over good at a game, and why they can easily play 50 games a day (which is the amount i play in like a month) But we can go back on topic
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i like how people assume that other people who play bw a lot have no lives...
maybe you have shitass time management skills and cant manage to juggle real life + lots of bw, but there are those who can.
or maybe bw isnt a priority in your life, but does that mean its not for others... or that those who prioritize bw have 'no lives' ?
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Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p
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Having a life talk is useless. If you do something you think is fun at the moment you have a pretty good life to me.
And right now i wanna play shitloads of broodwar.
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On November 12 2007 17:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p
Oh, you don't eat them every day? Noo way?
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kids are really clueless nowadays.
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On November 12 2007 17:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p
It is usually coined as "off my chest" not "out of my chest."
And Americans think eating dogs is barbaric and gross.. doesnt matter if you do it everyday or once a month. Personally I think its just an example of a different culture doing something that is in contrast to us Americans. We eat plenty of animals but the ones we domesticate become more than just an animal... not fair to hold the same standards over other cultures
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On November 13 2007 02:54 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2007 17:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p It is usually coined as "off my chest" not "out of my chest." And Americans think eating dogs is barbaric and gross.. doesnt matter if you do it everyday or once a month. Personally I think its just an example of a different culture doing something that is in contrast to us Americans. We eat plenty of animals but the ones we domesticate become more than just an animal... not fair to hold the same standards over other cultures
what, you eat animals? shame on you
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On November 12 2007 17:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p
I'm sorry but i cant believe you just admitted you eat dogs, I HAVE YET TO GET A KOREAN OR ASIAN OF ANY KIND IRL TO ADMIT THAT TO MY FACE, dont mind me i suspected it for a long time.. you know when random cats and dogs go missing around the neibourhood, and to go back to the other thing, basically what the koreans told is me true, you are not allowed to have sex until ur 19, the fact that there is even a punishment is outrageous, in canada or the us there is no age limit for sex, just a 21 year old cant have sex with a 16 year old, which makes perfect sense cuz what the fuck is a 21 year old doing with a 16 year old. And im not from the US im from canada
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On November 13 2007 02:54 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2007 17:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p It is usually coined as "off my chest" not "out of my chest." And Americans think eating dogs is barbaric and gross.. doesnt matter if you do it everyday or once a month. Personally I think its just an example of a different culture doing something that is in contrast to us Americans. We eat plenty of animals but the ones we domesticate become more than just an animal... not fair to hold the same standards over other cultures
Umm..thanx for the correction lol(always thought it was outta xD)..anyways, I agree with you on the part where eating dogs are gross and barbaric. Maybe it's because I've lived in the US for so long and become "americanized." That said, I was just trying to bring a point that we don't eat dogs every single day and I'd be surprised if even 10% of the whole korean population ate even ONE dog by the time they died(random number i pulled outta my azz but just to emphasize the rarity of koreans actually eating dogs). It's just so rare and we have other things such as rice, kimchee, kimchee chigae, etc..we aren't even thinking about how tasty a dog might be, as a matter a fact it's not even in the BACK of our minds or even IN our minds.
This is the stereotype i have to deal with everyday at school which kinda tied into what TopKlass did(just assuming anything is true after hearing it from someone)so I was just trying to correct him at the same time letting off some vent(but not serious). So I don't even know why that sarcastic comment was necessary TheForeverWaR.
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On November 13 2007 03:23 TopKlass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2007 17:39 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Hey TopKlass, I'm full korean and I'm here to tell u that's not how it is. Of course if u get caught, there will be problems, but isn't it the same in america if u get caught having sex? Anyways, sorry for going off topic! It's just really annoying when people just assume things becuz they heard it from random koreans. They could tell them anything crazy and they'd still believe em and spread what they heard from the koreans and assume that's how it is.
Acutally now that I'm into this subject, alot of american people just assume that koreans eat dogs. I mean we do but americans treat it as if it were a REGULAR meal and we eat dogs every single day. We don't. Sorry had to let that one outta my chest, I'm done now =p I'm sorry but i cant believe you just admitted you eat dogs, I HAVE YET TO GET A KOREAN OR ASIAN OF ANY KIND IRL TO ADMIT THAT TO MY FACE, dont mind me i suspected it for a time.. you know when random cats and dogs go missing around the neibourhood, and to go back to the other thing, basically what the koreans told is me true, you are not allowed to have sex until ur 19, the fact that there is even a punishment is outrageous. And im not from the US im from canada
I'm not going to even going to waste time answering that first part cuz ur a complete retard. And I already told u we can have sex even before 19 if we want..u know what, just belive whatever u want, i already tried to tell u but whatever. I'm done talkign to u in this thread.
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i believe the 3 people actually living in korea right now, not the one that is currently living in america but back on topic :D
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What the fuck happend to this thread T__T
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it became hilarious. i must find topklass's first post! epic awaits
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It's disappointing.
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umm... you know its bad when you have to double check what thread it is you are reading again
I thought I was on general
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lets be honest this thread was dead a week ago there is no more aka's to be added, i remember lookin last week and this was at the bottom of the tourney forum page, mise well keep it interesting
PS: I posted facts i answered the billion dollar question. Why koreans are so good?
I should be geting thanked
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Edit omg i missed some pages
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Just to help keep things on track I zipped about 50-60 replays of various known gamers from the recent ICCup league qualifier. I didnt grab all the games, just mainly the ones with known players.
Some players include, Idra/iefneij/xeite/sensei/strelok/brat_ok/G5/dreiven etc etc
ICCup League Replays
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I'm wondering anyone knows who is Lesson? He's an awesome terran i just played him and i was impressed.
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lesson used to be inter.life last season but hes a toss user, i guess he probably gave his acc to one of his inter. clan members.. inter.mind oo?
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mind making another reppack cloud?
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Well ok but it's kinda troublesome since i didn't save reps on the purpose to make a pack like last time. I'll try find some good reps and put them together when i have time :p
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Lyh4ever = Ever)P(T.T
ok thats not true but lets keep this thread on topic.
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On November 13 2007 06:41 iG.ClouD wrote:
I'm wondering anyone knows who is Lesson? He's an awesome terran i just played him and i was impressed.
Actually he is protoss aka Inter.Life and dunno why u say his t is impressive even he admits his t is chobo since he almost never plays terran.
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On November 13 2007 07:49 TesisMech wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2007 06:41 iG.ClouD wrote:
I'm wondering anyone knows who is Lesson? He's an awesome terran i just played him and i was impressed. Actually he is protoss aka Inter.Life and dunno why u say his t is impressive even he admits his t is chobo since he almost never plays terran.
As TT1 said he might have given his account to another korea/inter. member.
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On November 13 2007 05:05 TopKlass wrote:PS: I posted facts i answered the billion dollar question. Why koreans are so good? I should be geting thanked
Yeah, yet another "lol they have no life" explanation. It was harlarious for sure.
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On November 13 2007 06:57 iG.ClouD wrote:
Well ok but it's kinda troublesome since i didn't save reps on the purpose to make a pack like last time. I'll try find some good reps and put them together when i have time :p
no autoreps folder?
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he also kara-
not korean he foreigner aka Soul)t(KiRa ( got caught hacking too )
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If that's soul)t(kira then he must either be playing newbs or something cause he's not good enough to go 50-0 O_O
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kara- is a korean.. i played him early season soul)t(kira is some foreigner who says hes a- a on iccup but he doesnt even have an acc ^^
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if this is the same newbie kara from smi this guy blows i dont care if hes 50-0
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On November 14 2007 08:29 iG.ClouD wrote:Anyone knows who's TheNewPlayer? Polish flag, A-. I've played him 2 times he seems good. Reps if anyone can analyze are here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dle8go
pretty sure its xlo.yayba
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On November 14 2007 03:06 Oddysay wrote:he also kara- not korean he foreigner aka Soul)t(KiRa ( got caught hacking too )
lol? why cause kara and kira sounds similar? and no way kira would make those stats
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it cant be iloveoov.
51 winning percentage only ?
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he play only with progamers. 50% vs Progamers its not bad!
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this be the right time for wgt to make a come back since iccup is down
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On November 16 2007 21:57 ilovev wrote:
he play only with progamers. 50% vs Progamers its not bad!
I doubt it's oov, when's the last time you saw a pro play 500 games on a ladder, and especially such a low winning percentage. Even playing against high A+ koreans oov would still dominate.
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iloveoov 314-300 rec on iccup yes!!
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pretty sure he played more than that earlier in the season, he was playing on XeIte
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its probably insane how much he improved after those massgames
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On November 17 2007 05:23 kamehameha wrote:
its probably insane how much he improved after those massgames
i sure hope so
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