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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2734 Posts
November 01 2021 18:56 GMT
#21
On November 02 2021 02:52 J. Corsair wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2021 00:25 Peeano wrote:
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.

So Rush is in excellent form, appearing stronger than Mini and beating hero... But doesn't deserve to win a title? Based on 'past achievements'?

Confusing. Rush deserves a chance to win a title based on 'past achievements' like winning his ro8 and ro4 matches... Right?

I get you want a close finals, but saying Rush doesn't deserve a title is without merit

First of all, he said Mini and Hero deserve MORE, not Rush doesn't deserve a title.

Secondly, I share the same sentiment with him as well. Here's how:

Clearly "past achievements" refers to past seasons. If winning R8 & R4 of the current season is the merit being discussed, then clearly both players appearing in the same game deserve the same chance. In that regard, Mini and Hero were both finalists or R4 players before, multiple times. While this is the first time ever that Rush enters the R4. Even among the Terrans, Light deserves a title more than him.

If Rush wins this ASL, it's more a case of him hitting form and getting a favorable bracket than being the champion caliber player.

Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4992 Posts
November 01 2021 19:36 GMT
#22
On November 02 2021 02:52 J. Corsair wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2021 00:25 Peeano wrote:
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.

So Rush is in excellent form, appearing stronger than Mini and beating hero... But doesn't deserve to win a title? Based on 'past achievements'?

Confusing. Rush deserves a chance to win a title based on 'past achievements' like winning his ro8 and ro4 matches... Right?

I get you want a close finals, but saying Rush doesn't deserve a title is without merit

I never said Rush doesn't deserve a title. He definitely deserves it based on this ASL season, but it's not what I'm talking about in my post...

If you have followed the BW scene (or if you simply check liquipedia) you'll know Mini and Hero haven't won any ASL or KSL gold before while both coming very close on several instances. You can't say the same about Rush.

Also Mini and Hero have provided us much more tournament entertainment (even during the Kespa era) over the years than Rush. Also for Rush's own story beating Mini for ASL gold is something that can easily be overlooked, despite him having excellent form as of late. I want the best of both worlds, not just a Mini vs Hero finals.
FBH #1!
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1036 Posts
November 02 2021 11:25 GMT
#23
For me, Rush deserves it more than Mini. The effort, the practice from Rush is a beautiful story. He climbed the mountain through every ASL seasons to finally reach the top.

And he is playing like a machine. Flawless. I love Mini , but i cannot root against Rush. This finals will be awesome either way!
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
November 02 2021 13:18 GMT
#24
Go Mini
Sic iter ad astra
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
November 02 2021 21:02 GMT
#25
Rooting for mini, but does anyone honestly favor him? Anything can happen in a crazy game, but I trust Rush to convert positions where he has an advantage and do not trust the same for mini.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
November 03 2021 10:47 GMT
#26
On November 03 2021 06:02 angry_maia wrote:
Rooting for mini, but does anyone honestly favor him? Anything can happen in a crazy game, but I trust Rush to convert positions where he has an advantage and do not trust the same for mini.


He was not favorite against Royal too.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
November 06 2021 02:43 GMT
#27
On November 02 2021 20:25 TornadoSteve wrote:
For me, Rush deserves it more than Mini. The effort, the practice from Rush is a beautiful story. He climbed the mountain through every ASL seasons to finally reach the top.

And he is playing like a machine. Flawless. I love Mini , but i cannot root against Rush. This finals will be awesome either way!

Both have been grinding recently, and both are pros for long time. Nice to see Rush reaching the finals as well. But go Mini!
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