• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:43
CET 06:43
KST 14:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
Effort misses out on ASL S21 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10
Tourneys
[BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 BWCL Season 64 Announcement
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1517 users

[ASL12] 3rd Place match

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50638 Posts
October 31 2021 09:59 GMT
#1

Afreeca Starleague Season 12


Sunday, Oct 31 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


[image loading]Afreeca Starleague Season 12


Casters & Hosts


Tasteless | Artosis | Nyoken | Scan


Streams


Korean Afreeca Stream
StarCastTV(Scan and Nyoken)


Matchups and Maps



[image loading]      [image loading]
(Z)hero              (Z)ZerO






Results


+ Show Spoiler [Full results] +





CSS: FO-nTTaX
Banner: v1


Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 10:15 GMT
#2
OOOOO!!!! It has started ! Hero is already 1-0 up ! I forgot about this !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5225 Posts
October 31 2021 10:20 GMT
#3
On October 31 2021 19:15 prosatan wrote:
OOOOO!!!! It has started ! Hero is already 1-0 up ! I forgot about this !

Wtf. I just got online to skip the interviews etc. I guess ASL is in a hurry cuz it's a ZvZ and it's not a finals. lol...
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 10:31 GMT
#4
On October 31 2021 19:20 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 19:15 prosatan wrote:
OOOOO!!!! It has started ! Hero is already 1-0 up ! I forgot about this !

Wtf. I just got online to skip the interviews etc. I guess ASL is in a hurry cuz it's a ZvZ and it's not a finals. lol...

Yesss Peeano ... I thought it will be at 13:00 here in Romania... like always ...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 10:36 GMT
#5
A bit of LRing won't hurt anyone so...
3rd game on Polypoid
Hero - bottom right
Queen - top left

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 10:38 GMT
#6
hero goes for 9 pool and queen for 12 pool.. a bit of advantage for queen
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5225 Posts
October 31 2021 10:39 GMT
#7
Daylight saving time ended overnight, so that's why it's an hour earlier. Korea doesn't use DST.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 10:39 GMT
#8
hero with 500 apm and nice control of his zerglings... meh...my LB is going down
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5225 Posts
October 31 2021 10:57 GMT
#9
Exciting Game 3. Kinda crazy how you can win with larva and a 600 gas disadvantage. Would have been worth it for hero to build a sunk in the main and/or natural with a ling block on the ramp so he can fully focus on his muta vs muta.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 11:05 GMT
#10
GG!!

Hero with a quick victory in game 4 - leads the match 3-1 ! only one game away from 3rd place , like in the previous ASL !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 11:05 GMT
#11
What??! I thought they play BO7....
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8532 Posts
October 31 2021 11:06 GMT
#12
well...this is it 3rd and 4th place exactly like in ASL11 !

GG! Next week we are going to celebrate the FINALS !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5225 Posts
October 31 2021 11:07 GMT
#13
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.
FBH #1!
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4136 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-31 13:07:51
October 31 2021 13:03 GMT
#14
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5225 Posts
October 31 2021 15:25 GMT
#15
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.
FBH #1!
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 31 2021 16:38 GMT
#16
Am I the only one who does no longer see the ASL events under "upcoming events" on tl? ;/
hatred outlives the hateful
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50638 Posts
November 01 2021 02:06 GMT
#17
On November 01 2021 01:38 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Am I the only one who does no longer see the ASL events under "upcoming events" on tl? ;/


unsurprising, considering theres just one more.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada125 Posts
November 01 2021 02:37 GMT
#18
On October 31 2021 19:39 prosatan wrote:
hero with 500 apm and nice control of his zerglings... meh...my LB is going down


Hero tends to have super high apm in the early game, then falls off more than most Zergs in the mid-late game, down to below 300.

Effort and Hyuk are two players who maintain 400 almost always
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
November 01 2021 11:03 GMT
#19
On November 01 2021 11:37 ruhtraeel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 19:39 prosatan wrote:
hero with 500 apm and nice control of his zerglings... meh...my LB is going down


Hero tends to have super high apm in the early game, then falls off more than most Zergs in the mid-late game, down to below 300.

Effort and Hyuk are two players who maintain 400 almost always


Brain > APM. Don't even bring up HyuK, you know how his games always end.

Same dejavu results for ZerO just like previous season. I don't even know, it's not like ZerO played bad but he wasn't prepared for shenanigans of Mini. ZerO needs more than that if he wants to advance further.
sunbeams are never made like me...
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
November 01 2021 17:52 GMT
#20
On November 01 2021 00:25 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 22:03 M2 wrote:
On October 31 2021 20:07 Peeano wrote:
For a moment that looked to be a very exciting game 4, but Zero basically forgot to build an overlord on time. Talk about anti-climatic :/

Damn, I'm still sad we got a Mini vs hero finals denied by Rush.

Why? We got a good PvZ series, we got a pretty good TvZ series and now most likely we'll get a good PvT series

Because judging on past achievements both Mini and hero deserve a chance for the ASL title more than Rush.
And PvZ are both Min's and hero's best match up. It should be guaranteed fireworks.

Now if Mini can deliver this may be a good finals, but I'm afraid Rush is in such good form Mini will have very little chance to win this finals. Mini has been dodging PvT since ASL 11 and it is his worst match up by far. I just don't see him winning this one. I'd give him a 10~20% chance at most. Where as Mini vs hero is much more 50-50. Much more exciting imho.
Rush can always win next ASL vs Larva or Snow. That should give Rush much more praise than roflstomping Mini for his first gold. That said IF Mini can deliver the ASL 12 title can still hold good value for whoever wins this finals, but Mini has been notoriously bad at PvT like Light had been comically bad at TvP for almost all of his career.

So Rush is in excellent form, appearing stronger than Mini and beating hero... But doesn't deserve to win a title? Based on 'past achievements'?

Confusing. Rush deserves a chance to win a title based on 'past achievements' like winning his ro8 and ro4 matches... Right?

I get you want a close finals, but saying Rush doesn't deserve a title is without merit
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
LiuLi Cup Grand Finals Playoff
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft402
RuFF_SC2 229
ProTech133
mcanning 130
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5287
GuemChi 769
Shuttle 399
ggaemo 211
Bale 38
Icarus 14
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm90
League of Legends
JimRising 651
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv4
Stewie2K0
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor98
Other Games
summit1g4963
C9.Mang0331
Tasteless96
Mew2King25
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV223
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 433
• practicex 50
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 82
• Azhi_Dahaki14
• iopq 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1310
• Lourlo1196
• Stunt404
• HappyZerGling79
Other Games
• Scarra1379
Upcoming Events
Ultimate Battle
6h 17m
Light vs ZerO
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6h 17m
MaxPax vs Spirit
Rogue vs Bunny
Cure vs SHIN
Solar vs Zoun
OSC
12h 17m
Replay Cast
18h 17m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 4h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-04
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.