EPT[ASL11] Semifinals A - Page 6
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
On May 23 2021 21:01 LpTraxamillion wrote: I think he could have just microd his lings better, not had half in the main doing nothing a decent amount of the time, and targeted probes when mini sent them to fight more often. He kept getting zealot to 20 hp then leaving to do something else and let shield recharge. Don't think attacking forge would be correct. It builds hp very fast; usually better to just snipe the cannons themselves No forge, no cannons to snipe. Zealots cant hold front door without sim city and cannons. I really think he should have taken down forge instead. Not only does it take cannons out, it was a big part of the sim city. | ||
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
at least mini showed up today while zero didn't (except for the first game) i get good vibes about hero this season its his time to shine. but inform mini isdefinitely dangerous with a lot of tricks up his sleeves. will be a good finals (larva gonna job the zvz lmao) | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On May 23 2021 21:42 ggsimida wrote: meh overall mini is a pretty inconsistent player himself. just last ASL season he lost to all 3 zergs he played against (0-1 to hero 0-1 to soma and 1-2 to soulkey). at least mini showed up today while zero didn't (except for the first game) i get good vibes about hero this season its his time to shine. but inform mini isdefinitely dangerous with a lot of tricks up his sleeves. will be a good finals (larva gonna job the zvz lmao) Agreed Mini definitely tends to be a bit inconsistent, with many flashes of brilliance in between which makes rooting for him a bit frustrating at times! :D Today was a masterful display and looking forward to the finals! | ||
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Miragee
8716 Posts
On May 23 2021 21:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Only when he wins.But tl posters memory is super selective.Holyshit I remember how each time mini loss in KSL or ASL in very strange ways u all said his pvz was trash lol . Remember hero vs Mini in the super imba maps ? Are you sure it isn't your memory being super selective when you think about what TL members post? I checked back on my posts about mini from now to ASL2 and all I see is me either praising his PvZ (comparing it to Bisu's) or at worst saying that his overall performance was strange/sloppy on a particular day. I also checked the LR of hero vs mini and it was indeed full of people shitting on mini for his performance but I saw nobody shitting on his pvz in particular | ||
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prosatan
Romania9425 Posts
ASL 응원해주셔서 감사합니다. 열심히 한다고 했는데 현제가 준비를 더 잘해왔네요. 화요일에 아프리카에서 ASL 중계하고 온이랑 합방하고 조금 쉴거같습니당 사실 지는건 생각을 안했어서 아직 계획이 없어요 ㅎㅎ.. 다시 공지하겠습니당! 항상 응원해주신분들 진심으로 감사드립니다!! Google translate (hope it is good) Thank you for supporting me. You said you were working hard, but now I've been better prepared. I'm going to broadcast ASL in Africa on Tuesday and join Oni and take a break. Actually, I didn't think about losing, so I have no plans yet. I will announce it again! Thank you very much for always supporting me!! Source: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZHBZUrLKMoL6FxpvdRzhKA/community?lb=UgyGbWuY_gbLoYvfh7V4AaABCQ | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
No matter if it's Hero or Larva in the finals, I wanna see some more nasty protoss stuff.  | ||
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Sokokrey
74 Posts
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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prosatan
Romania9425 Posts
On May 24 2021 03:42 Marl wrote: so does Larva have the best chance to win the final against Mini? He just beat down Bisu and Snow in the ro16.. Hero has very good zvp too ! And I think he is the favorite in the second semifinal | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On May 24 2021 03:51 prosatan wrote: Hero has very good zvp too ! And I think he is the favorite in the second semifinal Plus Larva's strength tends to be turtley macro games and/or surprise muta switches, neither of which are probably going to be relevant against Mini. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
On May 24 2021 03:42 Marl wrote: so does Larva have the best chance to win the final against Mini? He just beat down Bisu and Snow in the ro16.. Larva or Hero would prob be favourite in a series vs Mini. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On May 24 2021 07:44 RowdierBob wrote: Larva or Hero would prob be favourite in a series vs Mini. Hero has had higher peaks; Larva is more consistent. Honestly though, a lot of it will come down to Mini's mentality. | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
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Lazyer
United States402 Posts
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On May 24 2021 10:55 staatbauhaus wrote: Bisu and other pros were saying Mini brought a new meta into the series. Thought some of you should know before shitting on Queen too much. Would love to know what Bisu means by that, because I don't see what's "new" about any of what Mini did. He used a variety of (well-known) builds so he could stay unpredictable. That's a basic requirement when facing a strong, intelligent opponent like Queen, you can't use the same two builds over and over or you'll get punished. And Queen arguably did punish Mini eventually with a ling all-in, but in my opinion he threw that game. Should've been a closer series. Not trying to take anything away from Mini, I think with the (really intelligent) way he played he deserved to have a 3-2 lead. But the 4-1 roflstomp was more Queen messing up than Mini showing a new meta. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On May 24 2021 11:26 Magic Powers wrote: Would love to know what Bisu means by that, because I don't see what's "new" about any of what Mini did. He used a variety of (well-known) builds so he could stay unpredictable. That's a basic requirement when facing a strong, intelligent opponent like Queen, you can't use the same two builds over and over or you'll get punished. And Queen arguably did punish Mini eventually with a ling all-in, but in my opinion he threw that game. Should've been a closer series. Not trying to take anything away from Mini, I think with the (really intelligent) way he played he deserved to have a 3-2 lead. But the 4-1 roflstomp was more Queen messing up than Mini showing a new meta. Did no one in the thread mention that Mini didn't scout in games 2, 3, and 5? What Bisu and Sea (and all of Ygosu) were impressed by is that by not scouting, the Protoss can pull the tech tree forwards quite a bit- according to Bisu it's about 100 extra minerals by the natural expansion timing. This means a horde of zealots before the Zerg is ready, as well as faster tech. All in the early game where every second is precious. The weaknesses to this build are 12 hatchery and 9 pool. So after Mini did a no scout build twice, Zero tried to punish him with a 12 hatchery. Only, Mini knew this would happen, so he did a 99 gate. As for the 9 pool option, well we saw what happened in game 5. Zero blundered the offense after getting tilted in that game, true, but Mini is one of the best Protosses at defending against lings thanks to his flawless micro. For more background, Mini is known as a 'pervert Protoss' who does off the wall builds often (basically 90% of his Youtube content), and is renowned for his micro. This no-scout strategy is essentially the perfect strategy for him, which relies on unpredictability and excellent micro to fend against advantageous builds. I'm sure Zergs would adapt quickly to this, but I can see progamers skipping scouting every once in a while after this. EDIT: May I also remind everyone that Queen's ZvP was 90+ before this series | ||
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