On May 24 2021 12:49 RWLabs wrote:On May 24 2021 11:26 Magic Powers wrote:On May 24 2021 10:55 staatbauhaus wrote:
Bisu and other pros were saying Mini brought a new meta into the series. Thought some of you should know before shitting on Queen too much.
Would love to know what Bisu means by that, because I don't see what's "new" about any of what Mini did. He used a variety of (well-known) builds so he could stay unpredictable. That's a basic requirement when facing a strong, intelligent opponent like Queen, you can't use the same two builds over and over or you'll get punished. And Queen arguably did punish Mini eventually with a ling all-in, but in my opinion he threw that game. Should've been a closer series.
Not trying to take anything away from Mini, I think with the (really intelligent) way he played he deserved to have a 3-2 lead. But the 4-1 roflstomp was more Queen messing up than Mini showing a new meta.
Did no one in the thread mention that Mini didn't scout in games 2, 3, and 5?
What Bisu and Sea (and all of Ygosu) were impressed by is that by not scouting, the Protoss can pull the tech tree forwards quite a bit- according to Bisu it's about 100 extra minerals by the natural expansion timing. This means a horde of zealots before the Zerg is ready, as well as faster tech. All in the early game where every second is precious.
The weaknesses to this build are 12 hatchery and 9 pool. So after Mini did a no scout build twice, Zero tried to punish him with a 12 hatchery. Only, Mini knew this would happen, so he did a 99 gate. As for the 9 pool option, well we saw what happened in game 5. Zero blundered the offense after getting tilted in that game, true, but Mini is one of the best Protosses at defending against lings thanks to his flawless micro.
For more background, Mini is known as a 'pervert Protoss' who does off the wall builds often (basically 90% of his Youtube content), and is renowned for his micro. This no-scout strategy is essentially the perfect strategy for him, which relies on unpredictability and excellent micro to fend against advantageous builds.
I'm sure Zergs would adapt quickly to this, but I can see progamers skipping scouting every once in a while after this.
EDIT: May I also remind everyone that Queen's ZvP was 90+ before this series