Game 1 @ Monty Hall Jaedong < TheRock Game 2 @ Hitch Hiker Jaedong < TheRock Game 3 @ MongHwan Jaedong > TheRock Game 4 @ Python Jaedong < TheRock
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Unfortunately I think the only way we can watch this is via Daum Pot player, as sc.org appears to be showing mbc on its ogn stream, and yaoyuan stream is still showing mbc as I type this.
If the situation changes for either, please post here to let everyone know. Daum player lags for a lot of people I think
On July 23 2007 02:36 Aepplet wrote: fair enough. first bo5 for both guys i assume?
If you mean it's the first BO5 series these guys have ever been in, that would be a no. Rock has played in the OSC Finals against Anytime in the OSC leading up to the So1 OSL.
Unfortunately I think the only way we can watch this is via Daum Pot player, as sc.org appears to be showing mbc on its ogn stream, and yaoyuan stream is still showing mbc as I type this.
I'm watching it at yy.com by clicking on OGN: Tvants link.
It takes like 10 seconds here until the page content is displayed, before that, you only see the navigation menu and the Google ads. If that's your problem: wait a bit.
It takes like 10 seconds here until the page content is displayed, before that, you only see the navigation menu and the Google ads. If that's your problem: wait a bit.
no, the page didnt open at all, like there is mistake in the URL, I dont know why, hope SC2/MSL stream will work
jaedong with 10 ling sin the center lane as well, he makes his move to rock's main with the ling hydra, rock has to bring the reaver over to his main to help, HE ALMOST LOSES HIS SHUTTLE
On July 23 2007 03:06 thedeadhaji wrote: rock has shuttle now, bringing it over to micro the reaver.
jaedong going lair now, has baout 10 hydas at rock's nat area.
jaedong STILL has 1 drone at his nat jesus
His build appeared to be more centered around an all-in style, but now that he's made a tech switch, he appears to be aiming for a more long game styled-play.
However, perfect timing by Rock may have sealed Jaedong's fate.
What is that comercial for? Where the guy draws a man, man eats chicken, computer, see's ultra, ultra gets consumed by defiler, and then he writes something in korean.
On July 23 2007 03:14 .kaz wrote: What is that comercial for? Where the guy draws a man, man eats chicken, computer, see's ultra, ultra gets consumed by defiler, and then he writes something in korean.
Sounds like someone was high when coming up with that concpet
OT: Does anyone have a working stream yet? Because yaoyuan is down and sc2 is just not right still i guess.
On July 23 2007 03:17 G.s)NarutO wrote: Wait, Rock leads 2-0? Not 1-0?
he just won the second game 1-0 on monty hall 2-0 on hitchhiker
jaedong is going to have a hell of a time coming back from this, especially with the last game on monty hall. he really needed to win the hitchhiker game
jaedong come sto rock's main with mutas, kills off all 4 cannons there right away, archon comes but jaedong microing around it, takes 1 shot from archon, some more from goons, forces cancel on 2 cannons, still harassing probes and avoiding the archon like it's the plague.
sick muta micro from jaedong.. kills a LOT of probes while macroing hydras at main. when rock tries to get out.. a whole army of hydras rape him and he is forced to gg..
my stream completley craps out on me, looks liek jaedong like ... oh okay he's going all in with a drone drill at rocks' ramp, rock pulls his own probes to combat, jaedong rallying more lings, jaedong loses vision of minerals as OL dies to scourge, looks like rock has defended it, but bot players REALLY low on workers
LOL dragoon with 11 kills.. both players with EXTRA low worker count.. but rock with alot more zeas.. jaedong play goes wrong and he accept his defeat.. GG
just horrible play by jaedong, he does an all-in zergling+droneslide attack like some 3rd rate newbie and doesnt even do it well but fails miserably, not even close to breaking rock.
if hot bid's karma theory holds any truth, rock is gonna get several new assholes soon.
edit: hilarious ceremony though! was he holding his progamer keyboard bag the way the wwe rock does with his title belts? i wonder if it was intended, hahaha..
On July 23 2007 03:56 GTR-2-Go wrote: ok i really hope now people screw up rock in the group selections
Haha, don't you feel like he deserves to be where he's at now though? I mean, beating FBH, Flash, Jaedong is no easy task. I'm SO happy for Rock, being a huge time benchwarmer his entire career, losing carriers to single marines, etc. He's really done something for himself, and isn't that what we all want, deep inside, for the old school pros?
I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
On July 23 2007 04:05 VioleTAK wrote: I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
i really beg to differ on jaedong, violetak:
how can you reduce jaedong to a mere journeyman? he's been pro for barely a year, and he's taken down savior, zeus, xellos, sea[shield], nada, reach, gorush, and chojja in this time to name a few. that hardly qualifies him as someone who isn't a 'real' player. didn't he win the proleague mvp title for his 10-1 record that singlehandedly reversed lecaf's fortunes? (they had an atrocious losing record before he started playing, but i can't recall the exact numbers, about 30-40~%).
he constantly attempts ballsy, aggressive, unpredictable builds, when other zergs are(were) meekly following savior's conservative 3 hatch muta build. so no, i don't think he's one of those faceless, overly technical players (quite the opposite, really). yes, his zvp isn't strong, and yes he hasn't made waves in the individual leagues, but i reiterate, he's been pro for barely a year. he still has much to learn, so much potential to succeed, and i believe he'll be a big star after he recovers from this current slump of sorts.
it took quite a while for people to start taking serious notice of rock, the very man who beat him today too, so let's not get too hasty in dismissing jaedong's ability! i believe the same applies to chalrenge (i remember his sick samsung 3-0 all kill!) and upmagic (does off the wall stuff like bionic tvp, and metal tvz), but i'm not really too fond of them, so i don't know much about them.
On July 23 2007 04:05 VioleTAK wrote: I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
i take it you didnt follow up's odt and shinhan3 osl run too closely if you put him in the same sentence as chalrenge
rock's been around forever though, i'm not sure what all the fuss and surprise about him now is. hes more or less the modern version of foru. great pvt, with a decent pvp and pvz.
On July 23 2007 04:05 VioleTAK wrote: I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
Please listen.
The Future of Protoss is no joke. Jaedong's ZvP is though.. Ooooooooo LOL ~_~. It seems all my favorite players lose to Protoss... coincidence? ~_~
Rock is manlier than Reach. Rock is more steady than Ra. Rock is more crafty than Anytime. Rock is better technique than Bisu. Rock is The Future of Protoss.
On July 23 2007 04:05 VioleTAK wrote: I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
Please listen.
The Future of Protoss is no joke. Jaedong's ZvP is though.. Ooooooooo LOL ~_~. It seems all my favorite players lose to Protoss... coincidence? ~_~
Rock is manlier than Reach. Rock is more steady than Ra. Rock is more crafty than Anytime. Rock is better technique than Bisu. Rock is The Future of Protoss.
I don't think an OSC champion means anything spectacular.
yes, a dude who cries after facing a turtle is manly, and to break down after an hour long game is definitely steady. great craft shown in formulating the use of 74892374247 obviously hallucinated arbiters rushing into chalrenge's base. awesome technique displayed in the way he commandeered them too.
however, full credit to him for the way he recovered and ripped chalrenge apart, and for the good run he's on now.
um, before everyone decides to give mad props to rock, i suggest you actually watch the games. they are abismal. both players really played quite pathetically, and it wasn't a coincidence. it was seriously like watching a public game on bnet. the BOs were uninspired, the decision making was poor, and the micro was embarassing. every single game involved cheese and an obvious avoidance of lategame. players who have distinct matchup weaknesses like these never win anything big (with the exception of casy who got very very lucky with his OSL draw once upon a time).
the thing is, both of these players are deadly against terrans and could potentially take out any given terran on the circuit, which is a shame if you think about it - they will never win a title, but they might take out a potential winner. there are more zergs than protoss' so it probably would have been better if jaedong won. the chances of dodging protoss' are far better than dodging zergs, after all. therock will just get smashed by the first competent zerg he comes across.
On July 23 2007 08:34 Aepplet wrote: ok i managed to grab all 4 games from that page, what can i do for you guys?
tracker?
and i think it will be easier for jaedong to get good at zvp than rock at pvz... don't know why, i just have the idea that overall he is a better player.
On July 23 2007 08:34 Aepplet wrote: ok i managed to grab all 4 games from that page, what can i do for you guys?
tracker?
and i think it will be easier for jaedong to get good at zvp than rock at pvz... don't know why, i just have the idea that overall he is a better player.
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On July 23 2007 04:05 VioleTAK wrote: I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
Please listen.
The Future of Protoss is no joke. Jaedong's ZvP is though.. Ooooooooo LOL ~_~. It seems all my favorite players lose to Protoss... coincidence? ~_~
Rock is manlier than Reach. Rock is more steady than Ra. Rock is more crafty than Anytime. Rock is better technique than Bisu. Rock is The Future of Protoss.
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the fact they are called "Ceremonies' are pretty fucking gay imo.
ontop of them looking really awkward and dorky to do after a computer game, just the name alone is bleh, they dont even do them immediately after winning, they walk out of their little gay box and do it. Sorry but thats lame.
On July 23 2007 12:10 Sadist wrote: the fact they are called "Ceremonies' are pretty fucking gay imo.
ontop of them looking really awkward and dorky to do after a computer game, just the name alone is bleh, they dont even do them immediately after winning, they walk out of their little gay box and do it. Sorry but thats lame.
Well, people are making too much fuzz about the whole ceremony thing... At least this wasn't anywhere as awkward as Midas ceremonies - more like the opposite. A little confidence and badass way to perform it it makes it less lame and nerdy in my opinion. On top of that, Rock looks oh so primitive, and it really fit him.
Ceremonies have gradually become more and more rediculous, I literally cringe everytime FBH wins a game, but comparing him to Rock is an insult. Rocks intensity and confidence shines through in his ceremonies and he really brings it to a new level.
On July 23 2007 12:10 Sadist wrote: the fact they are called "Ceremonies' are pretty fucking gay imo.
ontop of them looking really awkward and dorky to do after a computer game, just the name alone is bleh, they dont even do them immediately after winning, they walk out of their little gay box and do it. Sorry but thats lame.
Well, people are making too much fuzz about the whole ceremony thing... At least this wasn't anywhere as awkward as Midas ceremonies - more like the opposite. A little confidence and badass way to perform it it makes it less lame and nerdy in my opinion. On top of that, Rock looks oh so primitive, and it really fit him.
ROFL he looks like a caveman seriously
and a real one not the fake ones from geico commercials
On July 23 2007 04:05 VioleTAK wrote: I know its mean, but I consider players like Jaedong, Upmagic, Chalrenge, you know what kind of players I mean, I consider them obstacles for the real players :-) I mean I'd never want to see any of them make it to finals, they don't have that star quality, they would not provide an epic finals, they don't have what it takes. GGPlay, Iris, Bisu, is a whole other level of star quality :-) I never considered Rock to be either one, he's always been there, looking all jawfull, I don't know what to think about him. So he's starting to play real Starcraft now? Good for him :-) Lets see how he does next season.
just look back 1 year though, you definitely would not have considered iris as having that "star quality".
They don't naturally have it and thus win; instead, they develop it through their victories (and losses).
On July 23 2007 12:10 Sadist wrote: the fact they are called "Ceremonies' are pretty fucking gay imo.
ontop of them looking really awkward and dorky to do after a computer game, just the name alone is bleh, they dont even do them immediately after winning, they walk out of their little gay box and do it. Sorry but thats lame.
sorry but i think you should chill out. i like it.
On July 23 2007 19:53 Hot_Bid wrote: well if sadist even watched it he'd understand that rock walked out of his booth immediately and looked driven by pure emotion
and he didn't look awkward or dorky at all, unlike midas and his 6 minutes pause between win and ceremony awkwardness
he looks dorky because he tries to look all serious,
and it was awkward because he looked back at someone (maybe an announcer) sitting inbetween them or something.
They suck because they are pre planned and are after a computer game and they arent even immediate reactions, if they did it as soon as they won like with a fist pump or something that would be completely fine, but this stuff is just corny like that 7'0" k1 guy trying to "bboy" on a korean show.
On July 23 2007 19:53 Hot_Bid wrote: well if sadist even watched it he'd understand that rock walked out of his booth immediately and looked driven by pure emotion
and he didn't look awkward or dorky at all, unlike midas and his 6 minutes pause between win and ceremony awkwardness
he looks dorky because he tries to look all serious,
and it was awkward because he looked back at someone (maybe an announcer) sitting inbetween them or something.
They suck because they are pre planned and are after a computer game and they arent even immediate reactions, if they did it as soon as they won like with a fist pump or something that would be completely fine, but this stuff is just corny like that 7'0" k1 guy trying to "bboy" on a korean show.
Amen.
I miss the fist's victory from boxer or julyzerg when he won against goodfriend >_< Plz hot_bid how old are you seriously ? You must be like 18ish and still liking Mobile Suit Gundam or whatever the fuck you know.. By pure emotion you mean ? Obviously it was all planned like ages ago T_T Still that cereonomy was fun to watch because rock tried to be real serious until he entered the box. But that's just as pathetic as the WWF shows... With their gay's yelling or pose or throws. God everything in this show is just ridiculous.
progamers who can do original and entertaining ceremonies like chalrenge, rock, and zeus should continue doing so, but retards like inter.calm, hwasin (watch mbc vs stx and you'll know why), and midas should stfu, smile, and celebrate with their teams after a win. if they are really overjoyed after a clutch performance, nothing beats a classic fist pump. it's impossible to fuck up too.
edit: chances are, i'll be proven wrong in the future, though..
On July 23 2007 19:53 Hot_Bid wrote: well if sadist even watched it he'd understand that rock walked out of his booth immediately and looked driven by pure emotion
and he didn't look awkward or dorky at all, unlike midas and his 6 minutes pause between win and ceremony awkwardness
he looks dorky because he tries to look all serious,
and it was awkward because he looked back at someone (maybe an announcer) sitting inbetween them or something.
They suck because they are pre planned and are after a computer game and they arent even immediate reactions, if they did it as soon as they won like with a fist pump or something that would be completely fine, but this stuff is just corny like that 7'0" k1 guy trying to "bboy" on a korean show.
Amen.
I miss the fist's victory from boxer or julyzerg when he won against goodfriend >_< Plz hot_bid how old are you seriously ? You must be like 18ish and still liking Mobile Suit Gundam or whatever the fuck you know.. By pure emotion you mean ? Obviously it was all planned like ages ago T_T Still that cereonomy was fun to watch because rock tried to be real serious until he entered the box. But that's just as pathetic as the WWF shows... With their gay's yelling or pose or throws. God everything in this show is just ridiculous.
I understand Sadist's point, but I think that Rock is one of the more genuinely intense progamers who actually is that serious, not just pretending to be. I'm not comparing Rock to fricken Lebron screaming after a dunk, I'm comparing him to Midas making an awkward gesture at the camera while goofily laughing. In that sense, Rock is badass.
And Raiz, you were that guy who whined and bitched every time a ceremony was made. You said that Chalrenge's ceremony "insulted Midas' ancestors" and that his parents should be ashamed that their son acted like that "especially for an Asian."
You need to lighten up, a lot of people on this site like to watch real sports and treat them that way. We don't all want to sip tea and wear white gloves and do gentlemanly claps while watching the fucking tour de france or cricket or whatever the fuck you get these crazy "respectful" ideas from.
And somehow me and other progaming fans who like certain ceremonies because we aren't pussies about it suddenly like "mobile suit gundam" and are immature and childish.
Excuse us for wanting a bit of emotion and fun for these kids that basically are robots practicing all day and show no personality. Ceremonies actually tell us a lot about a ProGamer, and aren't all as "offensive" as you make them out to be.
Why don't you write letters to the NFL, NBA, and every major soccer organization requesting them to ban player celebrations because they offend you or your ancestors? Cry more please.
ok, I just became a member so I could post on the boards--only to find that I can't. I know this probably isn't on topic at all, but is the ANY way to get the replays of iris and GGplay at Daum OSL yet? I con't figure VODs out, so if you want to point me in that direction please also tell me how they work. I suck at Starcraft after 8-9 years of playing on and off; I only learned what APM meant two weeks ago (since then I've gone up 10-12 APM/game); and yes, I'm really, really newb. I just want to watch replays from pro gamers. I need to study, and thanks to the patch, there are only like 5 working replays for my race (zerg) in the replay section Please help me.
On July 24 2007 08:19 pseudocidal wrote: ok, I just became a member so I could post on the boards--only to find that I can't. I know this probably isn't on topic at all, but is the ANY way to get the replays of iris and GGplay at Daum OSL yet? I con't figure VODs out, so if you want to point me in that direction please also tell me how they work. I suck at Starcraft after 8-9 years of playing on and off; I only learned what APM meant two weeks ago (since then I've gone up 10-12 APM/game); and yes, I'm really, really newb. I just want to watch replays from pro gamers. I need to study, and thanks to the patch, there are only like 5 working replays for my race (zerg) in the replay section Please help me.
On July 24 2007 08:19 pseudocidal wrote: ok, I just became a member so I could post on the boards--only to find that I can't. I know this probably isn't on topic at all, but is the ANY way to get the replays of iris and GGplay at Daum OSL yet? I con't figure VODs out, so if you want to point me in that direction please also tell me how they work. I suck at Starcraft after 8-9 years of playing on and off; I only learned what APM meant two weeks ago (since then I've gone up 10-12 APM/game); and yes, I'm really, really newb. I just want to watch replays from pro gamers. I need to study, and thanks to the patch, there are only like 5 working replays for my race (zerg) in the replay section Please help me.
Thanks, -G
don't sign your posts
you can post in any thread you just can't make threads for 10 days
don't make a thread asking for OSL replays because OSL doesn't release their replays, ever
if you can't figure out vods (what the fuck also) just go to youtube, they get uploaded within a couple days
lol@figuring out VODs. That's definately some tough shit right there...
Anywho I agree with Hot_bid as usual, ceremonies rule, period. I think Rocks ceremony was pretty cool as well, intense and kind of intimidating. He has a badass look on his face the whole time and doesn't hesitate like friggin Midas.
I'm always happy when a toss wins a series over a zerg. Not that there is any major imbalance in that particular MU, but it still feels good.
Besides Rock played very well! A bit cheesy some might say, I would call it creative. His reaver control and general micro is very good.
On July 23 2007 09:03 L!MP wrote: um, before everyone decides to give mad props to rock, i suggest you actually watch the games. they are abismal. both players really played quite pathetically, and it wasn't a coincidence. it was seriously like watching a public game on bnet. the BOs were uninspired, the decision making was poor, and the micro was embarassing. every single game involved cheese and an obvious avoidance of lategame. players who have distinct matchup weaknesses like these never win anything big (with the exception of casy who got very very lucky with his OSL draw once upon a time).
the thing is, both of these players are deadly against terrans and could potentially take out any given terran on the circuit, which is a shame if you think about it - they will never win a title, but they might take out a potential winner. there are more zergs than protoss' so it probably would have been better if jaedong won. the chances of dodging protoss' are far better than dodging zergs, after all. therock will just get smashed by the first competent zerg he comes across.
Oh, do shut up.
You are probably just furious because you play zerg and the zerg gamer lost. The Rock played very well and his micro was excellent.
Surely jaedong wasn't all that good but still it was fun games to watch, not any huge macro-fests but micro-intensive exciting games.
On July 24 2007 08:19 pseudocidal wrote: ok, I just became a member so I could post on the boards--only to find that I can't. I know this probably isn't on topic at all, but is the ANY way to get the replays of iris and GGplay at Daum OSL yet? I con't figure VODs out, so if you want to point me in that direction please also tell me how they work. I suck at Starcraft after 8-9 years of playing on and off; I only learned what APM meant two weeks ago (since then I've gone up 10-12 APM/game); and yes, I'm really, really newb. I just want to watch replays from pro gamers. I need to study, and thanks to the patch, there are only like 5 working replays for my race (zerg) in the replay section Please help me.
On July 23 2007 09:03 L!MP wrote: um, before everyone decides to give mad props to rock, i suggest you actually watch the games. they are abismal. both players really played quite pathetically, and it wasn't a coincidence. it was seriously like watching a public game on bnet. the BOs were uninspired, the decision making was poor, and the micro was embarassing. every single game involved cheese and an obvious avoidance of lategame. players who have distinct matchup weaknesses like these never win anything big (with the exception of casy who got very very lucky with his OSL draw once upon a time).
the thing is, both of these players are deadly against terrans and could potentially take out any given terran on the circuit, which is a shame if you think about it - they will never win a title, but they might take out a potential winner. there are more zergs than protoss' so it probably would have been better if jaedong won. the chances of dodging protoss' are far better than dodging zergs, after all. therock will just get smashed by the first competent zerg he comes across.
Oh, do shut up.
You are probably just furious because you play zerg and the zerg gamer lost. The Rock played very well and his micro was excellent.
Surely jaedong wasn't all that good but still it was fun games to watch, not any huge macro-fests but micro-intensive exciting games.
True. The games were fine, I don't know where everyone is getting this bullshit.
First of all, rock played a really cool proxy build on Monty Hall, which ISN'T NEW! Every game on Monty is proxy or nexus first, in every matchup. There's nothing cheesey about playing a proxy build on a map that was built for it.
Then Rock used the Much[gm] build on Hitchhiker, which EVERYONE uses. He lost the one game he actually did cheese (game 3, proxy in middle of map, big map) and he blocked a desperate all in drone drill ling attack while playing a standard starport build to win the series.
Rock played incredible, particularly for a guy that has historically sucked donkey ass at PvZ. He deserves mad props and beat forGG, Flash, and FireBatHero to get to the finals.
I'll repeat that, he beat forGG, Flash, and Firebathero...IN A ROW, to get to the finals. The games against Flash and FBH were full series no less.
Rock kicked ass, played one of the most retardedly hard lineups of Terrans to get through, wins the final, and all people have to say is that his ceremony is gay and he played cheesey.
lol... people are taking rock serious now? LOL ~_~ OMG Who woulda thought I'd see the day in SC.
LOL LOL LOL.
ROCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkkkkkkkkkkk. Some of you must not remember Rocks' countless disastrous games of yore. You think CreationToss is bad? PUahahahahaha.
Ahahaha, how did the "Future of Protoss" stop being a shtick -_-;;;;;;;;;;; I can't wait til all the ceremony lovers are just crushed when they see Rock take on a real player. GJ vs Flash tho.
He played well but Rock is easy food for anyone with vP strenght. Even his PvT can be horrendous, although at other times it's been strong. Rock:Toss::Kekeerg.
On July 25 2007 22:22 SuperJongMan wrote: lol... people are taking rock serious now? LOL ~_~ OMG Who woulda thought I'd see the day in SC.
LOL LOL LOL.
ROCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkkkkkkkkkkk. Some of you must not remember Rocks' countless disastrous games of yore. You think CreationToss is bad? PUahahahahaha.
Ahahaha, how did the "Future of Protoss" stop being a shtick -_-;;;;;;;;;;; I can't wait til all the ceremony lovers are just crushed when they see Rock take on a real player. GJ vs Flash tho.
He played well but Rock is easy food for anyone with vP strenght. Even his PvT can be horrendous, although at other times it's been strong. Rock:Toss::Kekeerg.
Pantech is the Future of Broodwar!!!
People are just jumping on the bandwagon. To be honest, I started liking Rock only because he was so bad >_>.
I don't think he will make it out of his groups in RO16. GGplay, Iris, and Stork are bound to pick hard opponents for him. Imagine like Rock, Savior, Midas, and random dude. Of course Iris will probably pick Savior for himself cause he's an ass.
rock is playing better than i've seen him play in the past, he's got a new edge to his game, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that and liking it.
On July 23 2007 09:03 L!MP wrote: um, before everyone decides to give mad props to rock, i suggest you actually watch the games. they are abismal. both players really played quite pathetically, and it wasn't a coincidence. it was seriously like watching a public game on bnet. the BOs were uninspired, the decision making was poor, and the micro was embarassing. every single game involved cheese and an obvious avoidance of lategame. players who have distinct matchup weaknesses like these never win anything big (with the exception of casy who got very very lucky with his OSL draw once upon a time).
the thing is, both of these players are deadly against terrans and could potentially take out any given terran on the circuit, which is a shame if you think about it - they will never win a title, but they might take out a potential winner. there are more zergs than protoss' so it probably would have been better if jaedong won. the chances of dodging protoss' are far better than dodging zergs, after all. therock will just get smashed by the first competent zerg he comes across.
Oh, do shut up.
You are probably just furious because you play zerg and the zerg gamer lost. The Rock played very well and his micro was excellent.
Surely jaedong wasn't all that good but still it was fun games to watch, not any huge macro-fests but micro-intensive exciting games.
Well done Jens. You just insulted a protoss player that went to the WCG.
If anyone knows BW it's L!MP. He's the closest to Legionnaire in Australia (when he was active).
I'd take L!MP's word over yours anyday because I don't even know who the f*ck you are or what your BW credentials are....
In the future, drop teh "oh, do shut up". It's an unnecessary personal insult that has nothing to do with the argument of how good rock is.
While it's true that Rock has been playing better than ever, he has absolutely no shot for a title. The future of protoss comments about rock have to be jokes If anyone is the future of protoss wouldn't it obviously Bisu, seeing as hes a back to back MSL winner? I'll still be looking forward to Rock's games though.
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