EPTOn October 25 2020 21:27 KobraKay wrote:
ZvZ = 3 pages of comments
ZvZ = 3 pages of comments
Because it's ZvZ
While seem people enjoy it, most probably don't as much.[ASL10] Ro8 Day 3 - Page 4
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
Because it's ZvZ While seem people enjoy it, most probably don't as much. | ||
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Piste
6180 Posts
On October 25 2020 22:03 Rainalcar wrote: Because it's ZvZ While seem people enjoy it, most probably don't as much.Short matches as well | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
Yes, also a factor. Short, with only a few units the matchup has to offer. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
and obv upgrades are worth much more if u have more units that profit from the upgrades i generally thought going scourges entices u to not make upgrades.. and if u make uprades u should go almost mono mutas but maybe im just wrong .. not a zerg and not a zvz specialist at all | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil169 Posts
On October 25 2020 22:00 KobraKay wrote: More scourge less mutas. Less mutas less value in the +1 on the glaives and the more important to have the mutas taking an extra hit. Not sure on the math now for the armor for scourge if it allows for an extra bounce before dying or not. 3*9 27, Scouge dies. 3*8 = 24, Scourge lives if there are no glaives bounces. Of course, the first and two bounces of glaives getting reduced to 2 and 0 damage may help a lot too. Well played Larva, finally a deep run you deserve for so long. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
As much as Soma, Larva and Zero deserve to be finalists, I really hope we don't end up with a ZvZ final. All up to Flash and Best to defeat the Swarm... | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
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des
United States507 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
I know some of you dislike ZvZ, but a part of determining who is The Zerg, is figuring out who can use the swarm better. Part of Jaedong's rise was dominating zvz, Queen and Effort both rose to the challenge eventually, the matchup defines the well rounded zerg champion. The earlier rounds of this tournament provided months of casual bw watching, if the finals are a matter of sorting out who is heir to the swarm ...that is a question I would love to have an new answer to. Soma beating Queen would be unprecedented in bw history. Afaik, Elky was the last person who wasn't a part of the korean gaming establishment to make the top 4 of a major star-league. And, all of this worry about ZvZ takes Soma beating Flash and Queen beating Best as forgone conclusions. I'm hyped. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On October 26 2020 17:42 AttackZerg wrote: Soma beating Queen would be unprecedented in bw history. Afaik, Elky was the last person who wasn't a part of the korean gaming establishment to make the top 4 of a major star-league. This is such a lame take on the game overall. This whole obsession with old timers of BW to uphold anyone that wasn't part of 3-4 years period of BW history (most probably because they were in mid-school) that manages to show high skill performances to some sort of imaginary legendary status is so antiquated in this day and age given the fact that BW is a game that doesn't change and how long it's been since the game was propped as an official e-sport. | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1075 Posts
On October 26 2020 17:42 AttackZerg wrote: Larva played better and micro'ed his mutas better. I was rooting for Soulkey but I am also always rooting for the better player to win as well. In this match, Larva played way better. Queen may have leveled up Larva's ZvZ too high, if Queen beats Best, the Larva who showed up last night definitely has a fair shot. I know some of you dislike ZvZ, but a part of determining who is The Zerg, is figuring out who can use the swarm better. Part of Jaedong's rise was dominating zvz, Queen and Effort both rose to the challenge eventually, the matchup defines the well rounded zerg champion. The earlier rounds of this tournament provided months of casual bw watching, if the finals are a matter of sorting out who is heir to the swarm ...that is a question I would love to have an new answer to. Soma beating Queen would be unprecedented in bw history. Afaik, Elky was the last person who wasn't a part of the korean gaming establishment to make the top 4 of a major star-league. And, all of this worry about ZvZ takes Soma beating Flash and Queen beating Best as forgone conclusions. I'm hyped. How is Elky not a part of Korean gaming establishment? | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On October 26 2020 20:56 HaFnium wrote: How is Elky not a part of Korean gaming establishment? Did he train in a progamming team in korea as a player with a coach and team practice environment? I don't/didn't think he did, if he spent a time being coached and trained in Korea before his starleague runs, then I am learning something. I thought he moved there for a short time to qualify for leagues, which is why I said that. If I am wrong, always learning or over years forgetting. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On October 26 2020 20:47 oxKnu wrote: This is such a lame take on the game overall. This whole obsession with old timers of BW to uphold anyone that wasn't part of 3-4 years period of BW history (most probably because they were in mid-school) that manages to show high skill performances to some sort of imaginary legendary status is so antiquated in this day and age given the fact that BW is a game that doesn't change and how long it's been since the game was propped as an official e-sport. What the hell are you talking about? You don't think someone new, rising up to the top is exciting? Maybe the first of many? I think it is great that our sport is moving forward with new talent who weren't from the old days. Whenever someone does something for the first time it is exciting. Drawing comparison to points of history is kind of how sports work. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On October 26 2020 21:07 AttackZerg wrote: What the hell are you talking about? You don't think someone new, rising up to the top is exciting? Maybe the first of many? I think it is great that our sport is moving forward with new talent who weren't from the old days. Whenever someone does something for the first time it is exciting. Drawing comparison to points of history is kind of how sports work. Soma is neither new nor doing it on his own like training on ladder or whatever the correlation you are trying to make to a new player from outside the scene. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On October 26 2020 22:33 KobraKay wrote: Soma is neither new nor doing it on his own like training on ladder or whatever the correlation you are trying to make to a new player from outside the scene. He is new to the top of the sport. He never played for a pro-gaming team. Every champion has been a member or was a member of a pro-gaming team for almost twenty years. He would be the first in a very long time, if not the first. That is the point I was trying and I guess failed(?) to make. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On October 27 2020 00:13 AttackZerg wrote: He is new to the top of the sport. He never played for a pro-gaming team. Every champion has been a member or was a member of a pro-gaming team for almost twenty years. He would be the first in a very long time, if not the first. That is the point I was trying and I guess failed(?) to make. That's exciting for me too! | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On October 27 2020 00:13 AttackZerg wrote: He is new to the top of the sport. He never played for a pro-gaming team. Every champion has been a member or was a member of a pro-gaming team for almost twenty years. He would be the first in a very long time, if not the first. That is the point I was trying and I guess failed(?) to make. 20 years? WTH are you talking about? There are no professional teams in BW anymore, the fleeting period when that was the case is far from relevant anymore. Other than that, factually yes, you are correct but the hypothesis you are presenting that somehow this is extraordinary (from a skills perspective) because he was not a member of a community that was active 10 years ago is ludicrous. The game has stayed very competitive even if the spotlight hasn't been on BW for the casual eyes. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
If your point wasn't stupid and wrong then after 10 years, we would have more then one person who isn't from that scene. Yet we don't. Hence your point is stupid and wrong. It isn't a hypothesis that it is extraordinary. IT IS A FUCKING FACT SINCE HE IS THE FIRST. You pretending that it isn't extraordinary is very neckbeardy and stupid. NAME SOMEONE WHO ISN'T FROM A PRO-GAMMING TEAM IN THE PAST WHO HAS WON A STARLEAGUE? Short list? No list? Bye bye. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
This was a great series overall. Larva played it really well and he threw everything at Soulkey. It's interesting to see that his ZvZ is still decent though he would have to contend with ZerO and/or Soma depending on who advances into the semis/finals. Soulkey hasn't been the same since his KSL2 win imo. He'll show some good games but he's rather inconsistent and ZvZ is his Achilles' heel. Hopefully we'll get a great semifinals regardless of who advances from the other quarterfinals. | ||
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