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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
October 18 2020 12:57 GMT
#241
On October 18 2020 21:50 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2020 21:39 KobraKay wrote:
On October 18 2020 21:29 RKC wrote:
On October 18 2020 21:22 ShAsTa wrote:
The tvt was actually the closest game.


Which happens to be the game that Rush played safest, standard, and reactive. Sure, he was slightly BO disadvantaged, but he nearly clawed back into the game.

I still feel this is the most optimal strat against Flash rendom. As someone said, a safe solid Zerg like Soulkey will be his kryptonite.


What? proxy double rax is anything but standard, safe and reactive. He was doing that before he scouted flash, let alone what build he was doing to be anywhere near close to "reactive".


What? G1: TvT, Flash fast-CC, Rush proxy double-fac, Flash double-port...

Is there such a thing as a standard build on Plasma anyway...
WriterReV hwaiting!
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
October 18 2020 13:07 GMT
#242
Is there a way to watch ASL games spoiler free on VODs? I opened the VOD today and its 90m long for the entire match and you know its gonna be a 3-0 or the very least you will know who wins the last game ahead of time.
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jtkirk
Profile Joined January 2017
33 Posts
October 18 2020 13:27 GMT
#243
On October 18 2020 22:07 Oystein wrote:
Is there a way to watch ASL games spoiler free on VODs? I opened the VOD today and its 90m long for the entire match and you know its gonna be a 3-0 or the very least you will know who wins the last game ahead of time.


Try installing plugin called "Anticipation" for Youtube. It will disable the time progress bar and you will only be able to watch videos from beginning and move forward/backward using left/right key.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 13:30:09
October 18 2020 13:29 GMT
#244
On October 18 2020 22:07 Oystein wrote:
Is there a way to watch ASL games spoiler free on VODs? I opened the VOD today and its 90m long for the entire match and you know its gonna be a 3-0 or the very least you will know who wins the last game ahead of time.


yeah some guy made an add-on for firefox that hides the progress bar, I think it's this?

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/anti-spoiler-for-videos/

edit: ^ definitely that, it specifically lists afreecaTV as being spoiler-free too

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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
October 18 2020 13:51 GMT
#245
On October 18 2020 21:57 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2020 21:50 RKC wrote:
On October 18 2020 21:39 KobraKay wrote:
On October 18 2020 21:29 RKC wrote:
On October 18 2020 21:22 ShAsTa wrote:
The tvt was actually the closest game.


Which happens to be the game that Rush played safest, standard, and reactive. Sure, he was slightly BO disadvantaged, but he nearly clawed back into the game.

I still feel this is the most optimal strat against Flash rendom. As someone said, a safe solid Zerg like Soulkey will be his kryptonite.


What? proxy double rax is anything but standard, safe and reactive. He was doing that before he scouted flash, let alone what build he was doing to be anywhere near close to "reactive".


What? G1: TvT, Flash fast-CC, Rush proxy double-fac, Flash double-port...

Is there such a thing as a standard build on Plasma anyway...


I suppose Flash's fast-expo would be 'standard' for a semi-island map. Then again, Flash took the expo at his third, rather than the gas-less natural - which is rather 'greedy'?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25807 Posts
October 18 2020 14:10 GMT
#246
Craziness.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
October 18 2020 14:14 GMT
#247
This man hasn't lost a map as Random in Broodwar. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
PorkSoda
Profile Joined September 2015
170 Posts
October 18 2020 14:23 GMT
#248
Unbelievable play out of Flash. His response in game 1 was amazing. I really though Rush was going to take that but Flash knew exactly what to do, despite not scouting the proxy factories. I feel bad for Rush and hopefully Flash didn’t break him.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 18 2020 14:49 GMT
#249
Is he killing the scene though? I wonder if players are gonna just be demoralized because they lost to some guy playing Random.
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Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
October 18 2020 15:05 GMT
#250
On October 18 2020 23:49 intotheheart wrote:
Is he killing the scene though? I wonder if players are gonna just be demoralized because they lost to some guy playing Random.


Flash = "Some guy"
Lol
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 18 2020 15:07 GMT
#251
I mean, he might've been the best Terran in history, but it'd suck to lose to him playing Random either way. Especially in a tournament.
kiss kiss fall in love
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4019 Posts
October 18 2020 15:20 GMT
#252
On October 19 2020 00:07 intotheheart wrote:
I mean, he might've been the best Terran in history, but it'd suck to lose to him playing Random either way. Especially in a tournament.


you could see Snow was kinda handling it well, but Rush looked like he was about to throw up right there.
Also, that evil laughter from Flash. Its the type of stupid laughter you can't control when you pranked someone and it totally worked ...
Drone is a way of living
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1079 Posts
October 18 2020 15:26 GMT
#253
On October 18 2020 20:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2020 20:06 darktreb wrote:
On October 18 2020 20:04 Xiberia wrote:
Is it just me or was both game 1 and 3 very lucky for Flash? Obviously a fantastic player but i wasn't really impressed by those games.


Game 1 wasn't lucky. Flash did a lot of little things exactly right to make it look easy. Even not getting that Bunker up at the eggs might have been a difference maker.

Game 3 was lucky.


lucky? maybe, I mean he was looking for the rax and he found it.


Lol
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8128 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 15:52:52
October 18 2020 15:32 GMT
#254
On October 18 2020 21:51 Golgotha wrote:
If soma can beat snow and Soulkey loses... I can see Flash winning this tournament. It would go down as one of the greatest esport accomplishments of all time. Let's go Flash!

Still can't believe hundreds of thousands are watching LoL instead of flash flexing on the entire scene. Yeah I get faker is good but damn... He is Nowhere near the dominance and skill of flash. Not even fking close.

Edit: I know that faker ain't even in worlds


Any reason you think Soulkey would have a better chance than Queen in beating Flash? Seems to me Queen is playing better than Soulkey right now.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8336 Posts
October 18 2020 15:39 GMT
#255
On October 18 2020 20:55 konadora wrote:
goddamn

at the end, the korean cast said: “Blizzard may have made Starcraft, but Flash perfected it”

Nice one Kona
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 15:58:00
October 18 2020 15:56 GMT
#256
On October 18 2020 22:07 Oystein wrote:
Is there a way to watch ASL games spoiler free on VODs? I opened the VOD today and its 90m long for the entire match and you know its gonna be a 3-0 or the very least you will know who wins the last game ahead of time.


If you don't like the addon which the other people suggested: It's not 100% safe, but I managed to catch Flash's last two series spoiler-free because they actually added five VoDs for each series, all with a plausible lengths but the last two duds, to not spoiler people.

Just go to the Korean Stream via the link in the official TL-thread for the match in question (or by your method of choice).
Click on the icon in the bottom-left of the stream to "go to Blog", then proceed to the VoD-section. (Guess you know that...)
Pick the first VoD of the series (furthest down and to the right, they put the players' faces in the thumbnail).
(Try to not look at the VoD-lengths if you can, just to be extra save. As you mentioned, there is that 90min full-show-VoD, but I think you can avoid glimpsing at it quite well. Same goes for the viewer-numbers, as the last games will have less, obviously, if the series didn't go the distance.)
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
October 18 2020 15:59 GMT
#257
Flash in the semifinals with a 100% winrate as random

No words
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9029 Posts
October 18 2020 16:09 GMT
#258
What is Flash and Bisu talking about in his stream?
adrft
Profile Joined October 2020
5 Posts
October 18 2020 16:43 GMT
#259
Its pretty crazy. I know the PvP's and that ZvT we saw were not the most amazing macro games and there was some feeling that he got kind of lucky against Snow.

Just think about the other side of it though.. how many games do they have to play before Snow wins 2 maps TvT vs Flash? 100? 1000?

Rush PvT vs Flash too.

I still think its unlikely he wins. Snow is dangerous but doable, but can he really beat soma then another Z (probably Queen) back to back? That seems almost impossible.

I really really want to see his PvZ. I've seen one streamed game and it looked quite good but we don't really know. He has to be able to reliably win PvZ vs those top Z's to have a real chance to win I think. Hes probably what 25% chance to win a ZvZ? And 60-70% to win TvZ? (maybe a bit lower vs Queen). So he needs his PvZ to be at least 50-55% vs the best Z's in the world to have a reasonable chance I think.

Either way I can't wait to watch it haha.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 17:10:17
October 18 2020 17:05 GMT
#260
The only match ups he has not played this ASL are ZvP, ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ.

If Snow knocks out Soma then Flash can possibly tick off the ZvP on the way to the finals.

Then some combo of Queen/Larva/Soulkey in the finals lets him clean up with ZvZ, PvZ, TvZ.

There you have it: Flash could win ASL10 while winning every possible match up. THAT would be crazy
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
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