[ASL10] Ro24 Group A

On September 06 2020 17:52 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
Casters & Hosts

Tasteless | Artosis | RAPiD | NoRegreT

BLinD-RawR u sure about that?

On September 06 2020 17:56 DiMiaN wrote:
Youtube stream here.

On September 06 2020 19:45 whaski wrote:
If somehow playercams and names would be hidden, I could swear it was Best playing. That was so shaky. Come on Bisu!

On September 06 2020 19:46 prosatan wrote:

I think Best has a better PvT than Bisu

On September 06 2020 20:01 earob84 wrote:
why did Shine only killed the supply depot instead of going in? Was this an good idea?

On September 06 2020 20:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

I don't get why either. Maybe he thought there was a lot more goliaths than there really was. Having to run through the ramp is a disadvantage afterall. But then he threw all caution away just to try to snipe a tank so whatever.

On September 06 2020 20:12 goody153 wrote:
That's soooooo many queens. Holy hell i just tuned on the right game !

What happened with Leta vs Bisu ?

On September 06 2020 20:16 prosatan wrote:

Bisu lost...

On September 06 2020 20:27 goody153 wrote:
Did Leta play wraiths today? Or he just ran through everybody like nothing

On September 06 2020 20:38 prosatan wrote:
dont get why shine didn't cancel the hatchery....

On September 06 2020 20:45 hornqvist wrote:
Bisu vs Shine never disappoints :D

On September 06 2020 20:56 goody153 wrote:
Just checked liquipedia. Flash is playing this tournament as Random ? Is this a mistake ?

On September 06 2020 20:47 Arvendilin wrote:

Not true Bisu had observers the robo was powered

On September 06 2020 21:01 prosatan wrote:

I think not. At the start of the group Flash was shown as R - random

On September 06 2020 21:11 Arvendilin wrote:
Hmm i guess with how much he struggled to qualify this result shouldnt be too surprising well Leta getting out first defenitely was lmao

On September 06 2020 21:04 AttackZerg wrote:

You are correct.

Flash is the first pro-gamer to play random in at least 18 years (I think x'ds~grrrr... randomed in matches with islands or something)

On September 06 2020 21:04 AttackZerg wrote:

You are correct.

Flash is the first pro-gamer to play random in at least 18 years (I think x'ds~grrrr... randomed in matches with islands or something)

On September 06 2020 21:11 prosatan wrote:
gg...
as someone on youtube wrote, Bisu will became a variety streaming... With nice ladies and with food

On September 06 2020 21:13 Arvendilin wrote:
Yea JyJ is right Bisu going carriers was strange

On September 06 2020 21:16 Wonk wrote:
seems like Bisu is not back to his old strength. See you all on saturday for group B!

On September 06 2020 21:41 Ruff wrote:

ggon (Lee Hyun Seung) was a random player too.

On September 07 2020 04:23 sixfour wrote:
why does bisu keep thinking going carriers is a good idea

On September 07 2020 05:56 kidcrash wrote:

Carriers seemed fine honestly. He lost when he pointlessly sacked all his units attacking into the terrans base.

On September 07 2020 05:20 ne4aJIb wrote:
shine's decision of not going for main
bisu's strange suicide attacks

very sad

On September 07 2020 03:56 Alejandrisha wrote:
jyj/leta obviously..............
O_O
has asl ro24 always been bo1 in all 5 matches? this seems ridiculous

On September 07 2020 04:23 sixfour wrote:
why does bisu keep thinking going carriers is a good idea

On September 07 2020 14:18 AttackZerg wrote:
Question:

Am I the only one who thinks that both Tasteless and Artosis have improved tremendously in the last year or so. It went from I never learn anything to, "Wtf - that is how that is done". Tasteless has been on like a 3 month straight comedy tour de force as well. This applies to both ASL and GSL. It feels noticeable but nobody has commented on it.

On September 07 2020 14:18 AttackZerg wrote:
Question:

Am I the only one who thinks that both Tasteless and Artosis have improved tremendously in the last year or so. It went from I never learn anything to, "Wtf - that is how that is done". Tasteless has been on like a 3 month straight comedy tour de force as well. This applies to both ASL and GSL. It feels noticeable but nobody has commented on it.

On September 07 2020 03:56 Alejandrisha wrote:
jyj/leta obviously..............
O_O
has asl ro24 always been bo1 in all 5 matches? this seems ridiculous


i have been following jyj and i still wanted him to lose xD
but yes-- it is always good to have new blood in the meaningful rounds of gsl ^^

On September 07 2020 22:46 Brainojack wrote:


The point off this tournament isn't to determine the best player in the world, it's to determine the ASL10 champ.

On September 08 2020 00:15 BisuDagger wrote:

What you thought was a first cannon was actually a pylon. The drone got through so he needed to build something to push the drone back out and he didn't have 150 minerals for the cannon yet. Then he attacked his pylon because the sunken colony trick lets you 1) attack building in range 2) the attacking animation grants additional range to the sunken so if you retarget to something like the cannons which were out of range, they could be hit by sunken.

On September 07 2020 22:46 Brainojack wrote:
I've always liked this format. It moves things along quickly and allows for some fresh blood to make it deeper. Even if there is an upset the underdog will eventually run into better players later in the tournament.

The point off this tournament isn't to determine the best player in the world, it's to determine the ASL10 champ.

On September 08 2020 00:59 BisuDagger wrote:

Exactly. Every *trick* in BW requires extra APM and attention. Shine was focused on his next move and therefore did not attempt to glitch his sunken. However it took very little APM from Bisu to focus down the pylon and prevent the sunken from ever having a chance to overreach it's power.

On September 07 2020 21:29 KobraKay wrote:


It is the Bisu has lost effect. Nothing more to it than that. Had Bisue advance, everything would be fine in the world. I get it, but bisu didnt seem on par today and deserved what he got.



Sad to be right about this. Leta did some cheese but still he seemed in control where it had to be in G1 and he showed his game sense (or a little luck by that vulture seeing that probe moving out at a random time).

On September 08 2020 04:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote:

nah, I always kind of disliked this type of format

i was and am an advocate of 3x bo1 and 2x bo3 format. Getting into a prestige tournament just to fly from it after two quick bo1 games is kinda silly.

On September 07 2020 21:29 KobraKay wrote:
It is the Bisu has lost effect. Nothing more to it than that. Had Bisue advance, everything would be fine in the world. I get it, but bisu didnt seem on par today and deserved what he got.

On September 08 2020 10:28 TornadoSteve wrote:
How long does he exactly need to fully recover from his army time ? Its ridiculous. Hero and ssak are almost back in full strenght already (imo). To me, this is clear that bisu is playing at his peak and never really played better than this... Truth is bw is at the highest skill level ever and this is why ive been enjoying it so much ; unfortunately, multitasking, micro and macro wont be sufficient to compensate his poor decision making anymore. And im being polite, there is no other guy close to this level who come close to Bisu in terms of poor decision making. Nope, not even Mini.

On September 08 2020 10:28 TornadoSteve wrote:
How long does he exactly need to fully recover from his army time ? Its ridiculous. Hero and ssak are almost back in full strenght already (imo). To me, this is clear that bisu is playing at his peak and never really played better than this... Truth is bw is at the highest skill level ever and this is why ive been enjoying it so much ; unfortunately, multitasking, micro and macro wont be sufficient to compensate his poor decision making anymore. And im being polite, there is no other guy close to this level who come close to Bisu in terms of poor decision making. Nope, not even Mini.

On September 08 2020 15:30 Miragee wrote:


Now this is a hot take.

On September 08 2020 15:59 whaski wrote:


From what I have gathered, Bisu has huge pressure on him, from fans and haters alike(from stream, homepage). I still think it was more of a choke than bad form. Bisu is constantly third in sponrankings with over 60% winrates while some like Hero struggle to get into top 10.

Like before army Bisu seldom played in online tournaments and was more of "bububuu, Money money". And his tvp has always been suspect, remember Asl 2 his games against Sea?

On September 08 2020 17:36 Miragee wrote:
I personally find it mind-boggling that there are still people who argue that the mechanical level is higher today than it was during the Kespa days.

On September 08 2020 19:41 Barneyk wrote:


I don't think I have ever seen anyone argue this.

The level of play and where ", so I might see people saying that people are more mechanically efficient today, and in that sense the level is higher.

But I don't think anyone argues that the pure mechanical skill is close to what it was during peak Kespa-era.

On September 08 2020 21:56 Miragee wrote:
Well, read the comment I originally quoted. Saying "Truth is bw is at the highest skill level ever" is either badly worded or means what I said above. I would argue that evolving general knowlegde, including strategy and "where people spend their mechanical level is way better today", is somewhat seperate from personal skill development.

Anyways, I don't want to derail this topic with this type of discussion again; so sorry I brought that up.

On September 08 2020 01:16 Barneyk wrote:


I think this is a bit misleading, what is the best player in the world?
Preparing builds, using mental games, predicting what your opponent is going to do etc. is all part of the game. And the person that succeeds in doing that and becoming the ASL10 champ, is the best player in the world, under the circumstances presented.

It is easy to change who is the best in the world by changing the maps, format or a bunch of other stuff. But with the format we have, the one who wins, is the best in the world in that format and with that map pool etc.

Just like in any sport, wether team sports like soccer, individual 1v1 sports like boxing or tennis, or poker or whatever. There are always many factors in deciding who is the best in the world and there will always be debate about who actually is the best in the world.

Except, in BW everyone knows Flash is the best in the world overall.
But not in every aspect...

On September 10 2020 06:18 Alejandrisha wrote:
yes, perhaps my hatred of the bo1 format stemmed from bisu losing. and maybe you are right-- maybe if bisu played a bo3 he would have lost. that is fine. Still does not take away from the fact that a bo3 is better than a bo1 in terms of figuring out who is the better player. But perhaps that is not what a starleague is looking for. Perhaps a starleague is looking to catch lightning in a bottle. that is fine. I still think, regardless of who wins anything, that a bo3 format is better than a bo1 format. and it also gives us more games. who wants to watch a 2 hour asl instead of a 4 hour asl? not me. I want to see what all the players planned and if it gets fucked up in one game because of a blind counter I don't think that is the best judge of who should advance. Maybe the bo1 format is better because it can showcase how one player can befuddle another and leave it at that. But I like the scenario where one player can be blindsided in game 1, and then adapt and play a better game 2 and 3. that's all. I'm not trying to throw shade on the gosu gods that are good at taking 1 off

On September 10 2020 06:18 Alejandrisha wrote:
yes, perhaps my hatred of the bo1 format stemmed from bisu losing. and maybe you are right-- maybe if bisu played a bo3 he would have lost. that is fine. Still does not take away from the fact that a bo3 is better than a bo1 in terms of figuring out who is the better player. But perhaps that is not what a starleague is looking for. Perhaps a starleague is looking to catch lightning in a bottle. that is fine. I still think, regardless of who wins anything, that a bo3 format is better than a bo1 format. and it also gives us more games. who wants to watch a 2 hour asl instead of a 4 hour asl? not me. I want to see what all the players planned and if it gets fucked up in one game because of a blind counter I don't think that is the best judge of who should advance. Maybe the bo1 format is better because it can showcase how one player can befuddle another and leave it at that. But I like the scenario where one player can be blindsided in game 1, and then adapt and play a better game 2 and 3. that's all. I'm not trying to throw shade on the gosu gods that are good at taking 1 off

On September 12 2020 02:48 KrsNinja wrote:


However Flash has won these tournaments consistently throughout the years whilst Bisu have not and the format has mostly been Bo1.

On September 12 2020 03:44 Miragee wrote:
Throughout what years? Post-Kespa? I also remember the shit-show after Flash got kicked out in the group stage by Classic and Ssak.

On September 13 2020 00:01 Barneyk wrote:

When was this?

Was this when he went 14cc?