Cadenzie vs Scarlett Ultimate Battle Funding

On July 31 2020 18:29 QuadroX wrote:
Any English cast?

On August 04 2020 03:47 KobraKay wrote:


Hi there! It looks cool, but there is a typo on ultimate

On August 04 2020 05:00 Burned Toast wrote:
You're right, it should be read « Intimate battle ».

On July 31 2020 22:06 EndingLife wrote:
Hype! Scarlett should expect 9-7-3 e v e r y s i n g l e g a m e.

On August 05 2020 04:09 CadenZie wrote:


sometimes 962

On August 05 2020 04:07 CadenZie wrote:
never say never

On August 05 2020 04:07 CadenZie wrote:
never say never

On August 06 2020 07:53 ruhtraeel wrote:
Predictions?
I think it'll be Cadenzie 5-2

On August 05 2020 14:39 CasterMuse wrote:

Justin "Cadenzie" Bieber

On August 06 2020 14:06 StonyDrew wrote:
Shout out to Seriosity an excellent caster. Possibly most underrated (by his own standards at least, given by what I see and infer) good balance of specific/general knowledge plus personality

On August 06 2020 08:14 QOGQOG wrote:

Given they're playing nine games, that seems unlikely. Anyway, really looking forward to this one!

On August 07 2020 08:55 CasterMuse wrote:
[Official Announcement about English Caster]
Artosis + Nyoken will cast for CasterMuse's Ultimate Battle.
https://twitch.tv/artosis 11-08-2020 20KST

On August 07 2020 08:55 CasterMuse wrote:
[Official Announcement about English Caster]
Artosis + Nyoken will cast for CasterMuse's Ultimate Battle.
https://twitch.tv/artosis 11-08-2020 20KST

On August 04 2020 05:00 Burned Toast wrote:
You're right, it should be read « Intimate battle ».

Too sad that Artosis is probably now gonna be too scared to play Scarlett in a Showmatch.

On August 13 2020 02:15 Cele wrote:
I'd like to see Scarlett play in some serious tournaments by now, see how she does. Would be definitely interesting too see her play in BSL or a comparable tournament.

On August 13 2020 17:10 Jragon wrote:


That would be cool, in the postmatch interview she also said she might go back to Canada soon, anybody know what that's about?

On August 12 2020 13:49 ruhtraeel wrote:
Colour me impressed by Scarlett. Her mechanics and game sense are all top notch.

Artosis vs Scarlett should be fun. I want to see them play macro games (especially since Artosis lives and dies by them) but if Scarlett does a bunch of weird nonsense, I think she has a good chance of taking it since Artosis crumbles to cheese

On a side note, I'd also like to see if Artosis starts calling her a bad player and scum of the earth once he inevitably loses a game to a 2 gate proxy

On August 14 2020 22:13 Cele wrote:


Doubt that. She's certainly very good, but so are the best foreigners. We need a Scarlett vs Bonyth showmatch to find that out for sure.

On August 14 2020 23:00 Kaolla wrote:
I don't really wanna be a party pooper, but since everybody is saying the play was so great etc. I only watched until Artosis' PC was starting have problems (prob first 3-4 games), but I was pretty disappointed by the lvl of play. I expected more of it tbh and I felt Cadenzie was just playing some somewhat poorly executed all-in strats, while Scarlett's control in early was not always great and both players in general made plenty of mistakes.

On top of that I also really felt like Scarlett had quite little game awareness and didn't realize how far ahead she was at times and instead of finishing the game or trying to move out, just played defensively while the game was already over. The game with the hydra/lurker drop rush by denzie and the one where denzie tried to hydra bust and then switched into muta with a non-existent economy come to mind.

Anyway, did enjoy watching the games, just felt that people here are being overly positive. I don't really wanna be an ass either, but this is just what i felt after watching those games. Curious to see how Scarlett will do vs Artosis, but after watching these games I don't really think she has any chance to win that tbh.

On August 14 2020 23:00 Kaolla wrote:
I don't really wanna be a party pooper, but since everybody is saying the play was so great etc. I only watched until Artosis' PC was starting have problems (prob first 3-4 games), but I was pretty disappointed by the lvl of play. I expected more of it tbh and I felt Cadenzie was just playing some somewhat poorly executed all-in strats, while Scarlett's control in early was not always great and both players in general made plenty of mistakes.

On top of that I also really felt like Scarlett had quite little game awareness and didn't realize how far ahead she was at times and instead of finishing the game or trying to move out, just played defensively while the game was already over. The game with the hydra/lurker drop rush by denzie and the one where denzie tried to hydra bust and then switched into muta with a non-existent economy come to mind.

Anyway, did enjoy watching the games, just felt that people here are being overly positive. I don't really wanna be an ass either, but this is just what i felt after watching those games. Curious to see how Scarlett will do vs Artosis, but after watching these games I don't really think she has any chance to win that tbh.

On August 15 2020 03:54 Cele wrote:


Thats actually a debated and controversial topic worth an own thread. But since i enjoy it, i will try to give a perspective in the matter:

In short, that question is impossible to answer. The evolution of buildorders, macro and general understanding if the game has developed and continues to do so since the time of idra, ret et al. [Up to 2009] that is makes no sense to compare vods and replays simply to find the higher level of play.

Logic dictates, that talent in, say 2008, was greater overall because the playerbase was greater overall. Thats just an easy estimation to make.

But next, you can argue that players like ret and Idra, if they would “time travel“ dircetly into a big foreigner tournament of today would fare badly. To explain my argument, i'd like to exaggerate:Boxer is a God of this game, a true bonwja. But if we look closely at the game from 2002, we're not very impressed if we judge it by modern standards. Back then, builorders were not as fine tuned as they are today and most importantly it wasnt quite established ye how important macro is.

So how do you compare? The Oldshool vs Newshool Koth hosted a couple of years ago had some of the “old elite“ play vs the best players of that time. Sziky basically made the old elite look like a bunch of C rank nobodies. Is it a fair comparison to but up the by far the best foreinger of the time up against the old elite, who had just practiced a couple of weeks, some only a few matches even, for a fun event? I guess not.

So, how do you compare? By relative success vs the korean progamers perhaps? Thats not possible either, because we can assume that the level of play has also changed after professional gaming with teams, teamhouses strict practice regimes etc were no more.

Korean pros often answer like this, when asked how skill compares today to back then: mechanics were better in the pro gaming days because the practice regiment was very strict, but todays progamers are way ahead in game understanding, meta, buildorders etc.

I believe, thats true in a broad scope for foreigners too. Competition back then was fiercer, because there were more tournaments to compete in and more players determined to it and dedicated to the dream of pro gaming.

Thats just my 5 cents, many people will see that different. As i said at the start, your question is quite interesting, but impossible to really answer.

Okay, sorry for the off topic folks!

On August 15 2020 17:57 Timebon3s wrote:
I really enjoyed this, and I love Nyoken and Artosis as commentators.
Thanks a lot for doing this, its so much fun!

When are scarlett and artosis playing? Really looking forward to that. Is the matcherino up?

On August 15 2020 03:54 Cele wrote:


Thats actually a debated and controversial topic worth an own thread. But since i enjoy it, i will try to give a perspective in the matter:

In short, that question is impossible to answer. The evolution of buildorders, macro and general understanding if the game has developed and continues to do so since the time of idra, ret et al. [Up to 2009] that is makes no sense to compare vods and replays simply to find the higher level of play.

Logic dictates, that talent in, say 2008, was greater overall because the playerbase was greater overall. Thats just an easy estimation to make.

But next, you can argue that players like ret and Idra, if they would “time travel“ dircetly into a big foreigner tournament of today would fare badly. To explain my argument, i'd like to exaggerate:Boxer is a God of this game, a true bonwja. But if we look closely at the game from 2002, we're not very impressed if we judge it by modern standards. Back then, builorders were not as fine tuned as they are today and most importantly it wasnt quite established ye how important macro is.

So how do you compare? The Oldshool vs Newshool Koth hosted a couple of years ago had some of the “old elite“ play vs the best players of that time. Sziky basically made the old elite look like a bunch of C rank nobodies. Is it a fair comparison to but up the by far the best foreinger of the time up against the old elite, who had just practiced a couple of weeks, some only a few matches even, for a fun event? I guess not.

So, how do you compare? By relative success vs the korean progamers perhaps? Thats not possible either, because we can assume that the level of play has also changed after professional gaming with teams, teamhouses strict practice regimes etc were no more.

Korean pros often answer like this, when asked how skill compares today to back then: mechanics were better in the pro gaming days because the practice regiment was very strict, but todays progamers are way ahead in game understanding, meta, buildorders etc.

I believe, thats true in a broad scope for foreigners too. Competition back then was fiercer, because there were more tournaments to compete in and more players determined to it and dedicated to the dream of pro gaming.

Thats just my 5 cents, many people will see that different. As i said at the start, your question is quite interesting, but impossible to really answer.

Okay, sorry for the off topic folks!