I don't understand all the surprise about Bisu losing to Zero. I voted Best/ Zero myself. There's nothing about any of Bisus recent games to indicate that hes even close to the level he was in the past. It's not a surprising result at all. I think Best will do much better against Zero. At least in a macro game.

I think Best will beat Zero in a straight up macro game but if he gets all ined or takes damage early on Zero will take it.

I think it would've better for Bisu to hang back and take a third for sure. But I also understand his mind set. He wanted to hit Zerg before their hydra count got too high. But his micro failed him as he didnt protect his shuttle and was unable to reduce the hydra count enough to gain an advantage. If you keep zergs hydra count low goon reaver becomes much stronger.

outscar

2832 Posts

March 24 2020 11:06 GMT

#82

Hmm, doing same bad composition over and over, Bisu looked off after brilliant hold at start.

Xeln4g4

Italy1209 Posts

March 24 2020 11:07 GMT

#83

On March 24 2020 20:02 Arvendilin wrote:

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Why? Queen is one of the strongest Zerg out there (especially in ZvP I feel) and Bisu is still not up to his old form

Bad form can make you play in a not clever way? Because i though this would hurt your mechanichs not your b***n

EsportsJohn

United States4883 Posts

March 24 2020 11:08 GMT

#84

I think we can all agree that hydras are good units.

Xeln4g4

Italy1209 Posts

March 24 2020 11:09 GMT

#85

On March 24 2020 20:05 Sirris wrote:
I don't understand all the surprise about Bisu losing to Zero. I voted Best/ Zero myself. There's nothing about any of Bisus recent games to indicate that hes even close to the level he was in the past. It's not a surprising result at all. I think Best will do much better against Zero. At least in a macro game.

I think Best will beat Zero in a straight up macro game but if he gets all ined or takes damage early on Zero will take it.

I think it would've better for Bisu to hang back and take a third for sure. But I also understand his mind set. He wanted to hit Zerg before their hydra count got too high. But his micro failed him as he didnt protect his shuttle and was unable to reduce the hydra count enough to gain an advantage. If you keep zergs hydra count low goon reaver becomes much stronger.

Losing is ok. Playing the way he did is unapceptable after the initial hold. Make totally no sense.

Arvendilin

Germany1878 Posts

March 24 2020 11:10 GMT

#86

On March 24 2020 20:07 Xeln4g4 wrote:

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Bad form can make you play in a not clever way? Because i though this would hurt your mechanichs not your b***n

Obviously?

But if you first push isn't working it is very difficult to come back, your storm is just so late at that point, losing that shuttle was a mechanical misplay, he also had his Zealots out of position, I think he anticipated more Hydras on highground...

mishimaBeef

Canada2259 Posts

March 24 2020 11:10 GMT

#87

now that i think of it, did he have his corsairs with the attack on the 3rd?

Xeln4g4

Italy1209 Posts

March 24 2020 11:11 GMT

#88

Now Best will show us how to play proper pvz

fLyiNgDroNe

Belgium4076 Posts

March 24 2020 11:11 GMT

#89

I dont know. This looked like some mind game attempt from Bisu which didn't pay off. He decidedly went for this combo, but Zero shut it down like a champ. We can't assume that these players will always play standard against any opponent ...

mishimaBeef

Canada2259 Posts

March 24 2020 11:11 GMT

#90

i mean still, it's so flimsy you are relying on a shuttle-pickup to blank their target fire, that's exceptionally weak to rely on and the scarab hits need to be good... i don't like it, prefer to wait for storm to cover the dive on reavers

konadora

Singapore66359 Posts

March 24 2020 11:13 GMT

#91

i think bisu losing would have been fine, but obviously bisu should have known his build has his limits, ESPECIALLY against mass hydras. and fighting out in the open like that? that was SO uncharacteristic of bisu...

EsportsJohn

United States4883 Posts

March 24 2020 11:13 GMT

#92

On March 24 2020 20:10 mishimaBeef wrote:
now that i think of it, did he have his corsairs with the attack on the 3rd?

They were hanging out at the main/natural looking for overlords. Maybe the idea was to draw Zero's scourge/attention to the corsairs while he made a beeline for the 3rd and bought enough time to get up on the ramp.

Dangermousecatdog

United Kingdom7084 Posts

March 24 2020 11:13 GMT

#93

I expected Zero to win, but not to win from Bisu playing so strangely. Maybe Bisu thought Zero had a ninja or that Zero was making muta for no reason. Perhaps some mind games going on through practice. If Bisu gets through the group maybe the interview will shed some light on what happened.

Xeln4g4

Italy1209 Posts

March 24 2020 11:14 GMT

#94

On March 24 2020 20:10 Arvendilin wrote:

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He could just expand safely and play a macro game. He was ahead, he forced a quick win when it was CLEARLY not possible after losing first 2 reavers.

EsportsJohn

United States4883 Posts

March 24 2020 11:16 GMT

#95

On March 24 2020 20:14 Xeln4g4 wrote:

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He could just expand safely and play a macro game. He was ahead, he forced a quick win when it was CLEARLY not possible after losing first 2 reavers.

He was pretty boned after getting rekt on the first attack. He was kinda all-in after it failed, taking a 3rd just would have been a slower death with an even narrower margin of victory.

Arvendilin

Germany1878 Posts

March 24 2020 11:17 GMT

#96

On March 24 2020 20:14 Xeln4g4 wrote:

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He could just expand safely and play a macro game. He was ahead, he forced a quick win when it was CLEARLY not possible after losing first 2 reavers.

I mean yea he tried to go for a quick win, but once you are locked into that strategy, after losing your first push just going for storm is basically impossible, and if you go for storm earlier then you can't do your push.

Once he went for that strategy I don't think he could easily transition out of it again, you'd give the Zerg so much space