GOMTV2 MSL (The Live MSL) Round of 8, Bracket B, sAviOr vs FireBatHero Maestro vs Blockbuster
Game 1: FBH vs sAviOr @ Python Game 2: FBH vs sAviOr @ Loki Game 3: FBH vs sAviOr @ Desperado Game 4: FBH vs sAviOr @ Monty Hall Game 5: FBH vs sAviOr @ Python
FBH with about 8ish marines blocking his ramp. He floats his CC to his nat and transfers SCVs.
Savior's lair finishes and he immedietly lays down a spire. Godzerg morhps a creep colony at his nat as well.
FBH moving about with about a group of marines and 2 medics. He wants to attack, but can't leave his nat because of the threat of Savior's lings. Savior has about 12 speedlings darting about.
On June 24 2007 02:48 R1CH wrote: For those TVAnts-challenged you can use mms://65.98.84.20:8001/ if you want to watch, (experimental stream with megamixer(tm) technology)!
My stream keeps buffering every 10 seconds or so, anyway I can fix this? (I'm on 512k)
On June 24 2007 02:48 R1CH wrote: For those TVAnts-challenged you can use mms://65.98.84.20:8001/ if you want to watch, (experimental stream with megamixer(tm) technology)!
My stream keeps buffering every 10 seconds or so, anyway I can fix this? (I'm on 512k)
Not with this stream unfortunately since it's a 1mbit stream.
Savior getting Queen's Nest. He has an evo chamber as well.He's also gotten a hydra den and lurker upgrade during his harass.
Savior has some lurks morphing in the middle. His harass has gone decently well, scoring several kills.
FBH decides he's had enough and moves out with a MnM blob. FBH moves his army to destroy Savior's expo at 2. It runs right into Savior's finished lurkers, who chase after and flank his blob with Savior's mutas. FBH loses the blob.
SAVIOR IS SO AWESOME ZOMG ~_~ He makes me so happy watching him. Fuckin Perfect Zerg, no matter what the opponants try, he gets his 3rd gas and will probably get defilers in a bit and rape FBH game 1.
On June 24 2007 02:54 xM(Z wrote: savior will go 2 bases in to stop lurkers
what?
Savior running 3gas now, stopped a decent sized m&m force with almost no losses and has his defiler mound coming.. looking like real tight play from savior.
Savior's hive is finished. Another hatch and defiler mound go down.
Savior gathers a large muta/ling/lurker force in the middle. FBH has macroed up another terran blob of MM/tanks/vessels. He tries to expo to 10, but his scv is killed by cleverely placed lurkers.
Savior doesn't want to openly engage until his lurkers pop though, and retreats his army from FBH.
big-ish fight happens.. savior loses his defiler to tanks before casting any swarm.. he burrows like 15 lurks and fbh doesnt both sieging, takes heavy losses. siege happens and savior retreats.
2nd attack comes this time with swarm.. fbh force is semi-wiped out. he retreats.
FBH tries to drop Savior's base, but Godzerg is always prepared and nails the dropship with double scoruge.
Savior engages FBH without his defilers. His timing and flank is a little off and his lurker flank is destroyed. His main army lurkers manage to burrow and destroy some of FBH's tanks however.
FBH moves towards Savior's expo towards 2 and 3, but Savior crashes down on his army with DARK SWARM! FBH's army is annhilated, but he has a newly macroed infantry army at his nat.
savior uses simple guerilla attack in center with about 12 lings + defiler to push fbh around.. fbh is taking corner expo and pushing towards saviors expansion.
center war is back and forth.. savior gets off a plague and i notice he has taken the 3 nat now. so he is about to have 4 gas. prob switch to ultra soon.
FBH has expoed to 10 corner in this time. 3 base for FBH, 5 for Savior.
FBH hass macroed up another significant army of mm/tank/vessel. His vessel blob is about 4ish, and he uses it to irridiate Savior's lurkers.
FBH attacks Savior's base at 2 and 3 again. Savior moves to defend and his defiler is killed prematurely, getting off its swarm too far away to be effective.
FBH just BARELY misses razing the hatchery, swift lurker and zerglings reinforcements for Savior destroying the attack force.
savior has also taken his corner.. fbh taking 9 main. his pushes are looking really strong. savior is gonna need to pool up some units or will lose this O O
FBH attack 3 with ANOTHER newly macroed army. His macro has been very god this game. He clumsily loses some tanks to sunkens though.
FBH expoing to 9.
FBH going for double drops on Savior's main and 5. His dropships narrowly manage to land after getting hit by only 1 scourge.
Savior have a time time defending from all the attacks, his troops are spread thin. He manages to defeat the attack on 3 again, but FBH still has a large number of troops.
Savior's ever growing Ultra army easily tears apart FBH's infantry blob advancing down the middle. He continues with his momentum and razes FBH's corner 10, although FBH is able to float his CC.
Savior attacks FBH's bases at 8 and 9, scaling the heavily defended ramp with his trademark dark swarm and lurkerling.
SAVIOR SENDS A QUEEN TO STEAL A COMMAND CENTER!!!
Savior infests FBH's CC at 9! Amazing, because otherwise he would have been able to take the base out. FBH moves his scvs to 9's expo.
hm fbh losing his main and lost a ton of plagued vessel to 2 muta.. amazing work by savior just slowly chipping away at him. honestly this is an amazing match.
fbh now has roughly 25 tanks. maybe with upgraded attack.. defending 3 nat. savior still doesnt know about corner expo.. ; [ thats gonna be bad. fbh might as well have a few k of minerals right now to rebuild.
Savior trying to crush the last of FBH at 9, but FBH has so many tanks as to nullify the first attempt at swarming, his tanks killing all the troops and defiler.
Savior expoes to island 7:30 and the min only expo between 1 and 2.
FBH has reloated all of his barracks at 9. He's also put several brand new barracks. He's got around 8ish rax and 3 factories. His facts are effectively walling off his nat.
Savior destroys FBH's island expo at 1:30 with 2 ultras ad 8 drones!
FBH relocation has finally finished. 3 facts, 3 ports and several barracks.
Savior infests ANOTHER CC! If FBH continues to turtle, we might see Infested Terran!
FBH completely holed up in his remaining base. Tanks all over his cliffs, vessels ready to irradiate at the first sight of a defiler. Savior macroing up an army capable of defeating that.
Savior drops a large ultra/hydra/ling force right in the middle of FBH's base. FBH is able to defend it though, with his ten million tanks. He does lose alot of his army though.
Savior setting up for another drop. Many ground forces massing at his nat.
Savior drops FBH's base at 7:30, which he had just taken from Savior.
Savior takes out most of the defense force there. But FBH'S BATTLECRUISER SAVE THE DAY, wiping up the remainder of the attack after tanks kill off most of it.
5 BCs from FBH now.
Savior still unable to crack FBH's super turtling ways. He keeps throwing his forces away and unefficient attacks.
Savior has taken the map, but is still unable to crack FBH's amazing defense at 8 and 9 and the island at 7:30. If he keeps wasting money on unefficient attacks, he might soon run dry.
Savior Swarm/Ultra/Ling drops 7:30, even forces a CC lift, but BATTLECRUISERS and cliff tanks wipe out much of the attack.
That's only a diversion for 9 though! Savior drops 9 and destroys it, kills the scvs and leaves the CC with like 10 hp. FBH is able to save it AGAIN though, with his HERO BATTLECRUISERS.
Both players trying to play as conseratively as possible. FBH long distance mining to forego making a CC. And matrixing a tank to stop it from dying to a stray guardian from Savior.
FBH not attacking, although he has a vastly superior army. He want to play defense for the win.
SAVIORS LAST ATTACK ON ISLAND AT 7:30! FBH'S BATTLECRUISERS VIOLENTLY PUT THE ATTACK DOWN!
Even though about half of the BC's are plagued, it is not NEARLY enough.
Savior trying desperately to take back the game with about 7 devourers.
Savior dropping drones in random places for the tank splash damage.
It really looks like Savior will be unable to pull this game out. He only has about 1.5 groups of hydras left. FBH has several tanks and his BATTLECRUISERS.
NUCLEAR SILO GOES UP FOR FBH AFTER HE KILLS HIS OWN COMSAT.
savior was laughing knowing that there wasnt much he could do when a terran plays like this. fbh took lots of expos pretty early in the game and had lots of excess mins/gas which allowed him to pump tanks vessels and bcs with only 2 expoes.
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Navane: While savior was able to take out FBH main, FBH still had a huge amount of resources saved up. And using a awesome factory wallin. He was able to turtle up on the only part of the map that had money left. This forced savior to pressure/attack FBH's awesome defensive position knowing he would take heavy loses. But he didnt really have a choice. If he just waited, FBH would be even stronger with vessels and all those bases to freely mine.
On June 24 2007 03:53 wolashiwo wrote: finally terrain found a way to play: gay turtle
Stop with these ridiculous comments please. I was rooting for Savior too but at that point turtling was FBH's only option and I'm pretty sure most Terrans wouldn't have hold this.
sc2 and YY do not work because TVAnts is shit (yes I have it installed, and for some reason OGN streams work) I cannot use GOM or GOM-TV relays because they are 1mbit.
On June 24 2007 03:53 wolashiwo wrote: finally terrain found a way to play: gay turtle
Stop with these ridiculous comments please. I was rooting for Savior too but at that point turtling was FBH's only option and I'm pretty sure most Terrans wouldn't have hold this.
That game was awesome from start to finish.
Thank you. QFT. What do people expect FBH to do? Move out to pressure saviors zero running expos?
On June 24 2007 03:53 wolashiwo wrote: finally terrain found a way to play: gay turtle
Stop with these ridiculous comments please. I was rooting for Savior too but at that point turtling was FBH's only option and I'm pretty sure most Terrans wouldn't have hold this.
On June 24 2007 03:59 Pads wrote: wtf how is tyrio so far ahead od me in the stream? i can just expect thing's to happen like half a min before they do~
GOM I guess. Sorry for spoilers though O_o
Savior getting his hive and a fifth hatch, also inside his main. He also has a hydra den at his inside nat.
Savior backing off his muta harass, which he hasn't done much with. FBH massing turrets in both his bases. His army is still relatively small though. About 1.5 groups of rines, a couple tanks and vessels.
FBH throws up another 3 battacks. Savior morphs about 7 lurkers. Savior's hive finishes and he gets a greater spire and defiler mound.
On June 24 2007 03:55 GTR-2-Go wrote: Here is my situation...
sc2 and YY do not work because TVAnts is shit (yes I have it installed, and for some reason OGN streams work) I cannot use GOM or GOM-TV relays because they are 1mbit.
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Just for you, with love. 420 kbps.
Removed since it doesn't work very well. Will test more later if transcoding is possible.
On June 24 2007 03:55 GTR-2-Go wrote: Here is my situation...
sc2 and YY do not work because TVAnts is shit (yes I have it installed, and for some reason OGN streams work) I cannot use GOM or GOM-TV relays because they are 1mbit.
On June 24 2007 04:09 Instigata wrote: why'd he leave he coulda won????
There was no way he could have won? His attack on Savior's nat did no damage. He has lost both his expoes, and Savior was in the process of razing his main. He had no more barracks either.
I'm trying this, but for some reason it just keep disconnecting. Everything is fine for a couple of minutes, then BAM... dead. Thanks for the stream tho.
Games don't get more one-sided than that. FBH's only attack, which did no damage, came after Savior already had guardians, defilers, and a big counter set up.
On June 24 2007 03:55 GTR-2-Go wrote: Here is my situation...
sc2 and YY do not work because TVAnts is shit (yes I have it installed, and for some reason OGN streams work) I cannot use GOM or GOM-TV relays because they are 1mbit.
On June 24 2007 03:47 haypro wrote: savior was laughing knowing that there wasnt much he could do when a terran plays like this. fbh took lots of expos pretty early in the game and had lots of excess mins/gas which allowed him to pump tanks vessels and bcs with only 2 expoes.
nothing is stronger vs zerg than a combo of mass bc + vessel + tanks and having more resources available than zerg yeah but there are still better ways to deal with it then trying to infest/kill CCs/scvs which only delays game in his case, those attacks were useless. he should have gone for an all-in complete kill attack, by dropping an enormous army of upgraded hydras (like 4 sets), a few defilers, a few ultras to take hits from tanks, and devourers to make the bcs die muchhhhhh faster to hydras. irradiate + tank splash would really hurt but he could possibly win like that. also constantly restorating bcs from acid spores along w/ casting irradiate would be very tough for fbh to do well
Savior getting a den as as his lair completes. Don't think he got a Spire. Looks like Lurker/Ling?
FBH scouts his den, but doesn't know if Savior has a spire in his main.
FBH gets his 2nd gas, addons to his factory and adds a 2nd barracks.
Savior tries to expo to the main at 2, but his drone is blocked by a scouting scv.
FBH with a small army. 1 tanks and a group of infantry. Savior roaming the map with a group of speedlings. Buying time for his lurkers upgrade to finish.
Godzerg throws down a Nest, Spire and Evo Chamber.
Savior expoing to main at 7. Lurker upgrade has finished, his lurkers now popping from their hydra shells. Also getting a hive.
FBH upping rax count to 4. He's also finished a starport and addoned. He loads a dropship with some troops and drops to 2, thinking Savior has expoed there.
He also drops a scv to the island at 9.
Savior's hive has finished. He gets a canal and a defiler mound.
FBH drops Savior's nat in between his buildings. The choke from Savior's own buildings screw his defending lings over. Reinforcing lings and lurkers put the attack down.
FBH moving through the middle with 2 vessels, 3 tanks and about 2 groups of infantry.
FBH sieging up at Savior's nat. Savior gets 2 swarms in front of the tanks before his defiler dies to radiation.
Savior's zergling raid on FBH's budding expo at 6 is VIOLENTLY put down by 3 marines and a medic O_o
Savior expoes to 12.
FBH again tries to hit Savior's base at 5, but is blocked again by choke/swarm/lurkers.
FBH tries to block off island 3 from Savior. Even saves his dropship from 5ish scoruge with quickly dropped marines. He loses his ship when the scourge come back though =D
FBH razing Savior's new expo at 12.
Large army from FBH. He has a ton of tanks and a ton of infantry moving towards 5.
HUGE army from FBH abandons the attack on Savior's base at 5 and moves north toward Savior's main.
Savior tries to triple ovie drop FBH at 6, a turret nails a full ovie and quick marine defense kills the lurkers before much damage is done.
FBH siegeing up at Savior's nat. Using his vessels to soften up Savior's defense. A rabid, irridiated Ultra kills abunch of Savior's own lings before he cleverly shoves it through a nydus.
Oh man, if FireBatHero takes Savior out in 3-1. This will be one the most massive upsets I've seen since Bisu 3-0ed him! Although, granted that was only a couple of months back.
Savior could never do anything really with his defiliers...or his drops. Although he kept FBH off his expos with darkswarm he never hurt FBH's army at all. All the while getting worn away by irradiate.
FHB... what a MONSTER! omg that was something else. Monty Hall... not looking very good for GodZerg, but if he can somehow make it past Monty, he won't lose again @ Python imo :-)
That is a tough map for savior vs terran, he isnt really able to use his flanks well at all. He tried to do it with overlords, but FBH had such great recon it never opened anything up.
that was scary macro from fbh, he just took center and killed defilers, take expos and found one weak point in savior defence without defiler and killed savior, nice..
On June 24 2007 04:46 GeLaar wrote: if savior loses this, he doesn't get a seed for the next msl, right? a pretty long fall from owning the damn competition for three seasons.
Well the idea obviously was the drops were supposed to land and delay FBH long enough for ultras to be massed...unfortuneately for savior the drops were wiped with little or no trouble at all from FBH. So fbh was able to to time his attack right before ultras.
3 facts from FBH pumping gollies in his main. Gollies do decently vs hydras yeah?
Handful of gollies moving up the top lane towards Savior expo. They retreat in the face of about a group of hydras.
Paper plane taking advantage of hydra absence. Pewpewpew.
Saviot attacks FBH's expo in the top lane. Quick thinking saves FBH, he quickly pulls his scvs and walls the base, allowing him to take advantage of tight choke and gollies are able to defend.
Savior throws some more hydras, but FBH has enough gollies to defend now.
it looked like sAviOr was in need of a sAviOr that game ^^.
I want sAviOr to rip fbh's heart out and feed it to his hungry zerglings. Then hav all the hydras spit acid all over the firebats. And have the mutas rape the medics.
I bet FBH is shaking, he knows whats coming, oh yes he's seen it in his darkest nightmares, the defilers, the terrible orange clouds will fill the Python's belly, GodZerg is coming to claim his head... Don't worry FBH, it'll all be over soon :-)
On June 24 2007 05:01 Tyrio wrote: Gollies do decently vs hydras yeah?
Nope ^^
Actually, goliaths are better than hydras. They have longer range, and do 12 full damage. That's why FBH was making those supply depots to take advantage of the longer range.
Savior was trying to end the game quickly, because on a pure-hydra strategy, he would have lost the game once FBH gained a significant amount of goliaths and a few tanks. If Savior didn't break those supply depots and ended the game, he would probably have lost the game.
Hm, if FBH just got a tank out sooner, he could have kept his expansion and sealed the game.
On June 24 2007 05:08 NovaTheFeared wrote: FBH's opening build was very good and could have won him the game if it didn't take him 5 tries to get a vult through the minerals.
That's true, but you have to prepare yourself for the case that it doesn't work, because it's not guaranteed to work. If you count on that crap you deserve to lose.
On June 24 2007 05:12 VioleTAK wrote: I bet FBH is shaking, he knows whats coming, oh yes he's seen it in his darkest nightmares, the defilers, the terrible orange clouds will fill the Python's belly, GodZerg is coming to claim his head... Don't worry FBH, it'll all be over soon :-)
Hell yes!
Savior <Python> FireBatHero - GAME 5
Savior is BLUE will win it all at 6 FBH is YELLOW and will lose at 1
I was so impressed with FBH's game1 comeback, but thats a 1 in a mil game vs sAviOr, it won't happen again, just like that Nal_Ra/sAviOr game that has become a legend, same with Game1 it may indeed be the one game that will be remembered from this entire Bo5 and played over and over again in MBC re-runs, but FBH will no defeat sAviOr @ Python again :-) I suspect a total 1 sided game will end this nice series. He so should have sealed the deal @ Monty Hall, sAviOr made it happen... this.. is.. over >:-)
Actually gollies aren't very good vs hydra for their cost, hydra have better ai so with a dcent flank I think gollies lose, not sure though. Also hydras fire faster, so in open ground hydras should do better. Especially 3 base vs 1.
As much as the savior fans are running around screaming their hatred for FBH, I can be satisfied with him taking that series. No other Terran bar Iris has pushed Savior this hard and this long. Great series ... and this MSL just got a whole lot more interesting
The Dancing thing at the end was wth though.
/hoping for Stork to win an MSL now ... pvp/pvt class all the way thorugh.
that was the best serious in a while, game 3 was the best for me. after letting savior get 5 gas and hive tech before moving out and still taking the game home, that's special.
GoRush 3-0ing July was a huge disappointment, although ZvZ never brings much excitement anyway.
Hwasin losing the final game to DT cheese sucked.
And now Godzerg losing to cheese in the final game as well. Plus that dance had thinking Savior would have blown up. Jeez, did anyway see that huge retarded grin FBH had on his face as he ran around flapping his arms like a chicken?
Well played by FBH, he deserved that! Nobody expected that, not even FBH himself as can be seen by the eh.. "ceremony" which was performed spontainosly and in a state of chock. looks like he got scolded by the coach now O_o
On June 24 2007 05:28 Pads wrote: that was the best serious in a while, game 3 was the best for me. after letting savior get 5 gas and hive tech before moving out and still taking the game home, that's special.
FBH didn't even do anything special at all in that game, just macroed, walked up to Savior's nat and won :/.
after 6 straight starleague finals the maestro fails to get in MSL final. noooooooooooooooooooooo sooooo sad T.T T.T This is the saddest I have ever been over an sc match.
ok, the minutes are passing and i can't get over the bm dance. it's funny how that kind of gesture can really put a damper on what i thought was a pretty good series.
On June 24 2007 05:28 Pads wrote: that was the best serious in a while, game 3 was the best for me. after letting savior get 5 gas and hive tech before moving out and still taking the game home, that's special.
How can you not say game 1 was the best? Come on.
And yeah, that dance was pretty spectacularly bm. I didn't care who won this match, and was just happy to see some good games, but that shit is unnecessary.
On June 24 2007 05:28 Pads wrote: that was the best serious in a while, game 3 was the best for me. after letting savior get 5 gas and hive tech before moving out and still taking the game home, that's special.
FBH didn't even do anything special at all in that game, just macroed, walked up to Savior's nat and won :/.
Haha, great ceremony, considering the fact that Savior is #1 in KeSPA(Could be wrong, don't really care about the ranking at all.) I don't see any problem with FBH doing a ceremony like that because hes probably so excited and on a rush at the moment..Who cares. In the end no ones gonna say "Oh, FBH won MSL, but remember his ceremony against Savior, blah, blah I hate him so much just because of that he sucks, etc, blah." FBH is a good player.(Also, not saying FBH is gonna win MSL, not that I'm not saying that he won't.)
On June 24 2007 05:30 FirstBorn wrote: Fuck i just got to my comp. Can some1 explain what the fuck happened ? And what ceremony ?
FBH did 1 rax build but then proxied 2 raxes near sAviOr's base. He then did a 3rax rush when sAviOr had 0 sunkens and killed him. T.T The ceremony was, he got up and dance around the whole table which looked like he was dancing around sAviOr.
On June 24 2007 05:17 VioleTAK wrote: I was so impressed with FBH's game1 comeback, but thats a 1 in a mil game vs sAviOr, it won't happen again, just like that Nal_Ra/sAviOr game that has become a legend, same with Game1 it may indeed be the one game that will be remembered from this entire Bo5 and played over and over again in MBC re-runs, but FBH will no defeat sAviOr @ Python again :-) I suspect a total 1 sided game will end this nice series. He so should have sealed the deal @ Monty Hall, sAviOr made it happen... this.. is.. over >:-)
I am so quoting myself on this one... I seriously.. just couldn't believe my eyes, when I see sAviOr losing to Iris @ Python, then Game1 to FBH, then Game5 for the MSL semis ticket... how the hell is he losing all those Python games? I... FBH wow. no sAviOr in MSL semifinals, that will take a while to understand.
On June 24 2007 05:28 Pads wrote: that was the best serious in a while, game 3 was the best for me. after letting savior get 5 gas and hive tech before moving out and still taking the game home, that's special.
FBH didn't even do anything special at all in that game, just macroed, walked up to Savior's nat and won :/.
Also game 1 is yet more proof of how imba Terran is at pro level. FBH got completely owned in almost perfect Savior style but then won easily by turtling and making freaking BCs.
Maybe Savior learns now that he shouldn't be overconfident in the early game. His losses to an early M&M rush, proxy or not, because he gets either sunkens too late or no sunk at all (too greedy), are starting to pile up. NOT OK to do this when you need to win that game.
On June 24 2007 05:34 gravity wrote: Also game 1 is yet more proof of how imba Terran is at pro level. FBH got completely owned in almost perfect Savior style but then won easily by turtling and making freaking BCs.
man its interesting, savior's been winning all these zvt series by such a thin margin, 2-1 over midas 3-2 over hwasin, 3-2 over iris
logically you have to think "man he's going to have to lose one of these one of these times... " but you're still so surprised when it actually happens
Right now he's definitely better than Midas, except maybe at TvP, though we'll see this when he'll play Stork (unless 910 pulls an upset -- who knows, the kid is 8-1 so far).
On June 24 2007 05:28 Pads wrote: that was the best serious in a while, game 3 was the best for me. after letting savior get 5 gas and hive tech before moving out and still taking the game home, that's special.
FBH didn't even do anything special at all in that game, just macroed, walked up to Savior's nat and won :/.
well to me its not that different from saviors every single game.. 2 hatch before pool, fast tech except game 4, and then walk up to enemy and kill. somehow i find him the most un-interesting zerg :/
On June 24 2007 05:32 Visions wrote: Haha, great ceremony, considering the fact that Savior is #1 in KeSPA(Could be wrong, don't really care about the ranking at all.) I don't see any problem with FBH doing a ceremony like that because hes probably so excited and on a rush at the moment..Who cares. In the end no ones gonna say "Oh, FBH won MSL, but remember his ceremony against Savior, blah, blah I hate him so much just because of that he sucks, etc, blah." FBH is a good player.(Also, not saying FBH is gonna win MSL, not that I'm not saying that he won't.)
Quoting myself:
After seeing the ceremony again. God damn that was such a burn. But damn it was cool. FBH is awesome.
On June 24 2007 05:36 Hot_Bid wrote: man its interesting, savior's been winning all these zvt series by such a thin margin, 2-1 over midas 3-2 over hwasin, 3-2 over iris
logically you have to think "man he's going to have to lose one of these one of these times... " but you're still so surprised when it actually happens
wow
=[[[[[ to the maestro out of the MSL
But those were different. It is not just him losing a bo5 to a terran but losing in the ro8. In the past 6 starleagues he got either 1st or 2nd. Not only was the game 5 a loss but he got terribly raped. He was caught with almost no defence and unprepared. It is just little things that make me so surprised about this. I am also surprised because this is what I consider his first in form bo5 loss.
sAviOr has been to MSL finals 5 times in a row, I simply can't believe he's not going to be in semi finals this time... and down by 1 game to Iris in OSL, this is freaky.
My name is Ma Jae Yoon, Maestro of the Zerg. Builder of murdered hatcheries, Father to murdered Drones and Sufferer of a homosexual dance. And I will have my revenge, in this life or the next.
My name is Ma Jae Yoon, Maestro of the Zerg. Builder of murdered hatcheries, Father to murdered Drones and Sufferer of a homosexual dance. And I will have my revenge, in this life or the next.
there is a huge difference between a ceremony and... this
This aint a ceremony, this is simple arrogance trying to humiliate Savior. I feel pitty for fbh next time they will meet. You can be sure those infested cc will be working their ass of or some 4poolshit. These ceremonys are going to far, this is pure BM
Everyone who says FBH is retarded or sth because he "cheesed" or whatever is fucking stupid. All of you found Casy's move to fool July into believing he was fast expoing @ Reverse Temple to be genius (as did I) and the basic outline of FBH in game 5 was just the same - fool the opponent into believing you're fast expoing and then run them over. It's called deception and is an art form of old.
Chalrenge jokingly putting himself as the next MSL hall of famer is fine. Even Zeus high fiving the crowd is fine.
Running around the other player obviously taunting and humiliating him is NOT a ceremony.
Edit: Let it be clear that I believe there's nothing wrong with how FBH won the series, he won fair and square. He was better this time and that's why he won. He won twice on the map that is balanced, he even got a bit unlucky with the vulture squeeze.
I can't believe Savior is eliminated. That ceremony seemed a but a bit over the top to me...but whatever. I thnik he's the next Savior version of terran hahah.
Wow...FBH you are a retarded brat...what should this disrespectfull ceremony be? Chalrenge does ceremonys,...yes, but i never saw him beeing so lame like FBH behaved today. He played well today, but i hope he gets raped by Stork. Manner up please.
Actually, Iris is the one who wants revenge for OSL semis, sAviOr can't take revenge on FBH by raping Iris :-) and imo Iris will win the Bo3 2-1. But I juts can't believe there's no more sAviOr in MSL... will it be Bisu vs FBH? o.O
man, just think, what would you have done if you where savior and FBH dancing around ya? i think i would have punchd him! MADNESS? No! This is STARCRAAFT!
Who cares you guys are making way to big of a deal out of this ceremony. It was nothing. The only important thing was the series itself and the outcome.
On June 24 2007 05:59 Ready2[ESC] wrote: Who cares you guys are making way to big of a deal out of this ceremony. It was nothing. The only important thing was the series itself and the outcome.
haha of course the result is more important than the ceremony.
let the savior fans vent a bit
and wow, i never realized but somewhere along the line i really became a savior fan, and i allowed myself to believe a bit too much. i suppose now i know at least a little bit of how those boxer and yellow fans feel when they lose those finals. wth.
can his fans really complain though, 3 MSLs 1 OSL and the last 6 finals? NEXT TIME MA JAE.
On June 24 2007 05:59 Ready2[ESC] wrote: Who cares you guys are making way to big of a deal out of this ceremony. It was nothing. The only important thing was the series itself and the outcome.
QFT. I'm sure it was more of a spur-of-the-moment type thing though.
I might be way off, but after re-watching it a few times, I think he MIGHT have just decided to go the long way around savior because he stood up facing this direction and wanted to get to the stage while flailing his arms like a chicken. During his little circle, him and savior didn't make eye contact, so the circling was either not directed at savior (e.g. not meant as an offense) or it was really offensive because he didn't even bother to look at him. Interesting to note, though, is that FBH approached savior after the ceremony and said something to him in what seemed to be a friendly way. Savior's reaction was not hostile, either.
Well, I guess we won't know until he explains in an interview.
On June 24 2007 06:09 Sawajiri wrote: I might be way off, but after re-watching it a few times, I think he MIGHT have just decided to go the long way around savior because he stood up facing this direction and wanted to get to the stage while flailing his arms like a chicken. During his little circle, him and savior didn't make eye contact, so the circling was either not directed at savior (e.g. not meant as an offense) or it was really offensive because he didn't even bother to look at him. Interesting to note, though, is that FBH approached savior after the ceremony and said something to him in what seemed to be a friendly way. Savior's reaction was not hostile, either.
Well, I guess we won't know until he explains in an interview.
[곰TV 시즌2] 삼성전자 이성은 인터뷰 "나 자신을 불태워 우승까지 가겠다 -처음으로 4강에 올랐다. ▶우승을 바라볼 수 있는 위치까지 올라왔다는게 기쁘다. 4강까지 오는 과정을 돌아보면 기쁨이 배가 된다.
-상대가 마재윤이었는데 어떻게 준비했나. ▶ 프로리그와 개인리그 모두 중요하다. 오늘 경기에 상당히 비중을 뒀기 때문에 요 며칠간 계속해서 새벽 5시에 잤다. 보통 새벽까지 연습하면 연습상대가 없는데 우리 팀의 주영달, 박성준, 이재황, 유준희, 팬택의 김재춘 등 연습해 준 모든 상대에게 감사하다.
-1경기에서 대역전승을 거뒀다. ▶ 본진이 밀렸을 때 나에게 몰아쳤으면 사실상 끝난 게임이다. 그런데 마재윤 선수가 너무 유리하다보니 숨을 고르더라. 손이라도 풀자는 생각으로 건물도 다 띄우고 새로 살림을 차렸다. 그런데 저그의 자원줄이 생각보다 많이 없더라. 오히려 내가 자원을 더 많이 채취할 수 있기 때문에 이길 수 있다고 생각했다. 배틀크루저의 경우 평소에 부담없는 연습 경기를 많이 하는데 메딕의 리스토레이션이 있으면 저그가 배틀크루저를 잡을 수가 없다. 그래서 배틀크루저와 메딕, 사이언스 베슬을 많이 생산했다.
-로키에서는 아쉽게 패했는데. ▶ 로키에서의 빌드는 상당히 좋았다. 앞마당을 먹고 진출할 때까지만 해도 내가 분위기가 좋다고 생각했다. 가디언을 체크를 했는데도 한참동안 오지 않길래 진출했는데 결과적으로 패착이었다. 끝나기 전에 '아 바보'라고 자책하는 말을 했다. '왜 나갔을까 기다리면 내가 유리했는데'라고 말하며 내 자신을 달랬다.
-3경기에서 타이밍 러시가 돋보였다. ▶데스페라도에서는 마재윤 선수가 실수를 한 것 같다. 내가 계속 사이언스 베슬로 디파일러만 잡아냈다. 마재윤 선수가 디파일러의 공백기를 간과하고 바로 울트라리스크로 넘어간 것이 실수였다. 디파일러가 있었으면 힘든 경기였다.
-4경기에서는 무력하게 패했다. ▶ 전략이 실패했어도 내가 나쁜 상황은 아니었다. 해 볼만한 경기였다. 그런데 히드라의 공격을 1번 막아낸 뒤 너무 안일하게 생각했다. 게다가 탱크로 빨리 전환하는 바람에 병력이 공백도 생겼다. 앞마당이 날아가니 어떻게 할 방법이 없더라.
-마지막 경기에서 3배럭 불꽃 러시가 돋보였다. ▶ 사실은 그게 1경기 빌드였다. 1경기에서도 SCV를 두 기 보냈는데 9드론인 것을 체크하고 운영하는 쪽으로 빌드를 바꿨다. 1경기에서 아껴둬서 마지막 경기에서 사용할 수 있었다. 마재윤 선수의 VOD를 정말 많이 봤다. 세세한 습관까지 체크했다. 마재윤 선수가 오버로드를 보내는 습관을 알았기 때문에 앞마당까지 오지 않을거라고 알 수 있었다. 또 저글링으로 더블 커맨드를 체크하지 않았다면 온 맵으로 저글링을 뿌려 몰래 건물을 체크하더라. 그 부분도 신경썼다. 위치가 잘 나오기도 빌었다. 마재윤 선수가 2시에 위치했다면 발견됐을 지도 모른다.
-긴장하지 않았나. ▶1경기에 많이 위축된 상태로 경기를 했다. 손도 많이 떨렸다. 어느 순간부터 마음을 안정시킬 수 있었다. 손도 잘 움직였고 마음도 편해졌다. 2경기부터는 숙소에서 하듯이 경기가 잘 풀렸다.
-오늘 세리모니가 인상적이었다. ▶ 어제 전태규 선수의 세리모니를 봤다. 상당히 광범위하더라. 그래서 나도 넓은 영역을 사용했다. 마지막에 했던 세리모니는 저질 댄스인데 제대로 안 됐다. 방향도 상대 선수 쪽인지 관중 쪽인지 고민했다. 오늘 경기장에 오기 전에 동영상을 보고 연습하려고 했는데 자꾸 엑티브 콘트롤을 설치해야 한다고 해서 귀찮아서 그냥 왔다. 감독님이 계셔서 대기실에서는 연습하지 못했다. 그러다보니 전체적으로 움직임이 이상했다. 마지막 댄스는 귀엽게 봐주시면 좋겠다(웃음). 4강에서도 확실한 세리모니를 준비하겠다.
-쟁쟁한 선수들을 꺾고 4강까지 올랐다. ▶최강자들을 만난 것 같다. 그게 나에게 투지를 불타오르게 만들었다. 상대가 상대이다 보니 최선을 다하자고 생각했다. 강자들과 붙는 것은 재미있지 않나. 마인드 콘트롤에도 신경썼다. 꼭 이기자고 마음먹었다.
-4강 상대로 같은 팀인 송병구와 강구열 중 누가 올라왔으면 좋겠나. ▶병구가 올라왔으면 좋겠다. 첫번째로 팀에서 결승 진출자가 나올 수 있고 송병구와 다전제로 맞붙어 본 적이 없기 때문이다. 재미있는 게임이 나올 것 같다.
-MSL에 대한 각오 한 마디. ▶ 오늘 경기전까지 주로 테란을 상대했다. 그러다보니 '저 선수는 테테전을 정말 잘한다'라는 평가와 '저 선수는 테테전만 잘한다'라는 평가가 있었다. 그래서 마재윤 선수와의 경기를 준비하며 나 자신을 불살랐다. 만약 병구가 올라온다면 테란, 저그에 이어 프로토스까지 꺾고 우승을 차지할 수 있도록 노력하는 모습 보여드리겠다.
-마지막으로 한 마디. ▶디씨인사이 드 게이머 갤러리에서 현수막을 만들어왔더라. 너무너무 감사드린다. 내가 응원받고 있다는 게 느껴졌다. 현장을 찾아주신 팬들과 TV로 지켜봐주신 팬들 덕분에 좋은 결과가 있었다고 생각한다. 마지막으로 어머니와 형이 지극정성으로 뒤에서 응원해주시는데 그 정성에 보답할 수 있도록 멋진 이성은이 되겠다.
Looks really bm though, the loser is obviously upset at that kind of situation, and its just not the right thing to do. I can't imagine sAviOr doing anythinglike that.. ever, well actaully I can't imagine any good player doing anything as dumb as that chicken dance :-) maybe Go.Go, TT or some other half assed player could come up with that kind of crap, but sAviOr would never even think about it.
Let it be said that when Chalrenge beat NaDa in the MSL he didn't do any ceremony, despite building a proxy pylon inside NaDa's base with his 5th probe, allowing NaDa to discover it, canceling both gates and STILL winning. Maybe he should've pulled a pylon he hid under NaDa's desk? But he didn't.
I believe in karmic retribution and FBH will have it revisited upon himself.
On June 24 2007 06:17 Hot_Bid wrote: Let it be said that when Chalrenge beat NaDa in the MSL he didn't do any ceremony, despite building a proxy pylon inside NaDa's base with his 5th probe, allowing NaDa to discover it, canceling both gates and STILL winning. Maybe he should've pulled a pylon he hid under NaDa's desk? But he didn't.
I believe in karmic retribution and FBH will have it revisited upon himself.
I think it would have been more appropriate to do a ceremony after you win the winners/losers final match and not after just winning the first game. (Like when he beat Midas)
Firebathero played great in Desperado and both pythons.
But savior still played fine, except maybe letting fbh come back in the first, but in desperado his plan was just defeated and in the second python he was tricked.
On June 24 2007 06:17 Hot_Bid wrote: Let it be said that when Chalrenge beat NaDa in the MSL he didn't do any ceremony, despite building a proxy pylon inside NaDa's base with his 5th probe, allowing NaDa to discover it, canceling both gates and STILL winning. Maybe he should've pulled a pylon he hid under NaDa's desk? But he didn't.
I believe in karmic retribution and FBH will have it revisited upon himself.
Chalrenge has wacky ceremonies, but he indeed knows his limits, he'd never humiliate other players. FBH is such a good players, but his ceremonies pretty much reflect his state of mind, I think he's a real wacko :-) I also think he means well and doesn't really think before he acts.
all fbh ceremonies look silly and awkward. i'd like it if it looked cooler, even if it invloved running around savior again, but this, just like all the previous ones, was just.... GAY!
I wouldn only call them mildly gay, but what they definitely are is super dorky. His dances are just the epitome of dork. :D I thought the others were charming, this one... not so charming.
anyone who makes the semis of msl/osl is obviously gonna be in the PR... as well as the 4 players who made it to quarters in BOTH leagues (bisu, savior, hwasin, stork) no matter what happens to them afterwards
i don't think that dance was bm, it looked like a geeky dude not knowing how to properly handle his happiness. you'd be on cloud nine too if you won a 1 hour game against savior, got vulture chafe denied 5+ times and lost on the tvz heaven that is monty hall, and proxied him in the last game for a win. that series was a freaking emotional rollercoaster for me, and it definitely was more intense for these players. furthermore, this is probably his first trip to a semi-final, yes?
i definitely respect savior a lot more for taking it like a man, and not acting hostile after that ceremony.
I was watching game one live with Wax today and about 40 minutes in, I think I noticed that the zerglings didn't have the attack-speed upgrade... if Savior seriously forgot to upgrade that, huge mistake. Probably cost him the game.
And that victory dance was lame as hell. The girls behind me started to cry after that last game, too. Women.
Honestly, neither sAviOr or Firebathero had anything to really be ashamed for in this series of 5. It was a great series of 5, and no one could predict what the outcome was until the last few seconds. That's awesome.
I found FBH's prancing around to be assholish and immature. It wouldn't even matter if he won the game without doing gay proxy shit (which he did), it's still incredibly lame.
I think these are the games in which I would much prefer an impromptu emotion filled ceremony over a practiced one. FBH deserved to celebrate, he had just done what so many other terrans had failed to do. I for one would have never in a million years expect FBH to be the one to take the Maestro.
With that being said, it would have been interesting to see how he would have really reacted. He is crazy yes, but this one seems almost too rehearsed, although I did enjoy it.
So congrats to FBH, but maybe for the next round you can hire Chalrenge or Zeus as a choreographer
Why is everyone saying that the FBH ceremony was an impromptu burst of emotion?
Watch the video - it wasn't. We could choose to believe that if he had thrown off his headset and leaped out of his chair, but he didn't, did he? He slowly got up, smiled in a horrifically stupid manner, and then proceeded to flap his arms while running around savior. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing, and it was extremely rude.
I think most everyone would have been far happier if he had just walked over to Savior and shaken his hand.
is there anybody who translate the interview now? i am so tired because i went the stadium and just came in. but if someone are waiting for the translation, i'll try.
On June 24 2007 09:31 Nan-Ha wrote: is there anybody who translate the interview now? i am so tired because i went the stadium and just came in. but if someone are waiting for the translation, i'll try.
On June 24 2007 09:31 Nan-Ha wrote: is there anybody who translate the interview now? i am so tired because i went the stadium and just came in. but if someone are waiting for the translation, i'll try.
On June 24 2007 09:40 Wasabi wrote: Holy shit, FBH just might win this season's MSL.
I hope for a TvP final vs Bisu, who else. MSL has been Zerg's playground for too long now. I want to see macro Terrans like nada and oov to rip through MSL consecutive times again.
Edit-well, about that ceremoney that some of you find inappropriate: it was just Ma Jae fucking Yoon he beaten. Did any of you remember how cocky that guy is with his ceremonies? Imitating JJu's neck roll. The infamous "yawn rape" against Pusan. Savior has easily shown more frustrating ceremonies than FBH to me.
i dont thnik those were cocky though no one can really ever even confirm if those were really ceremonies or not, he could just've been stretching his neck. yawning from a long nights practice?
Haha reading the comments then watching the ceremony video was funny. I just did not know what to expect. FBH was just retarded, prancing around Savior then doing his dance. Personally I just think that shows no class and i'm a fan of savior but oh well, he'll get his later on.
This isn't a new thing for FBH, isnt it? I remember watching his victories and then he'll do some retarded poses or dances for the crowd.
FBH and his lame ceremony completely suck. I had no problem with Savior losing to good manner guys like Bisu and Nada but this guy... I hope Bisu decapitates him.
That was a great zvt game until terran turtled up. From there the zerg attacks were nullified by terrain and building placements.
Savior played standard in the endgame, which is too bad. He wasted a lot of resources on those drops that came to nothing. With all those infested cc floating around infested terran would've worked much better on those cliff tanks, and if he concentrated his gas on one divine wind those BCs shouldn't have been a big problem either.
On June 24 2007 09:40 Wasabi wrote: Edit-well, about that ceremoney that some of you find inappropriate: it was just Ma Jae fucking Yoon he beaten. Did any of you remember how cocky that guy is with his ceremonies? Imitating JJu's neck roll. The infamous "yawn rape" against Pusan. Savior has easily shown more frustrating ceremonies than FBH to me.
If you would have read some other threads and an interview with sAviOr then you would have known he did JJus neck roll in proleague to give his team a much needed morale boost. The yawning he said himself he doesn't remember and the fans just over-thought a normal bodily function.
I think the problem I have with fbh's ceremony was he broke the taboo of never celebrating in the other players court. Players can have a lot of leeway if they are celebrating in front of their fans and stick to their side of the stage. Fbh isn't an 8 year old kid, he should know better sportsmanship. Could you imagine Bisu doing the same routine in front of Savior when he beat him 3-0 in the finals or if Boxer starts dances around yellow after the 3x bunker rush. It just showed a lack of class and manners.
yeah fbh should have known better, but he didn't mean any disrespect to savior... oh well, let's just chaulk it up to a harmless misunderstood ceremony
Someone seriously needs to get up and lay this kid out when he's doing shit like this. It's so disrespectful, and just plain STUPID. I'm not a fan of either but I'm starting to seriously hate FBH now. Can't wait for someone to 3-0 him, then mock him with a ceremony.
On June 24 2007 12:44 G.s)NarutO wrote: The ceremony of FBH perhaps just was cuz he couldn't believe he won the maestro... still a bit over the top~ he should say sorry to sAviOr..
my guess is that he apologised to savior during that moment those two shared a word before heading backstage.
In FBH's interview, he promises to give a better ceremony next time - but wait! his next match will be against Stork, his own team mate! (I'm assuming here that Storks is going to make it past 910 :D )
If he beats Stork (however unlikely that seems) and then does another worthless 'ceremony' I will hate FBH forever. Right now I just want him to loose.
i can understand FBH's happiness at getting past savior, but i don't think dancing around the opp. after soundly beating him was necessary. i think one day, savior will come back and bite him in the ass...it's not that i don't like FBH, i really want him to win, but that dance was like...a dampener.
someone said that he was being scolded by his coach? does anyone have the video to the post game 5 match that shows this?
On June 24 2007 13:24 Piano wrote: someone said that he was being scolded by his coach? does anyone have the video to the post game 5 match that shows this?
Wow, if anyone have this i would really love to see that.
well FBH deserves the win, he outplayed Savior. Am I the only one who sees savior's constant expansion drops while FBH turtled to BCs as being completely pointless and stupid by savior? he should know, to beat that kind of style, especially when FBH will have more resources than savior, he needs to mass up an army big enough to completely kill him, wtf killing CCs did nothing but help FBH. And in game 5, a fake 1rax expo is a big enough concern that he should make a couple creep colonies, he'd need them later anyways. Also scouting a bit better would have helped
wow... first terran to beat savior in bo5. since savior is out, i want braq to win MSL. he proved TvT. He just proved his TvZ. now all hes gotta do is prove his TvP.
On June 24 2007 14:42 SunKistOranGeSoDa wrote: wow... first terran to beat savior in bo5. since savior is out, i want braq to win MSL. he proved TvT. He just proved his TvZ. now all hes gotta do is prove his TvP.
nada beat savior bo5 in shihan masters. Maybe you meant in OSL/MSL.
On June 24 2007 13:24 Piano wrote: someone said that he was being scolded by his coach? does anyone have the video to the post game 5 match that shows this?
Wow, if anyone have this i would really love to see that.
On June 24 2007 13:24 Piano wrote: someone said that he was being scolded by his coach? does anyone have the video to the post game 5 match that shows this?
Wow, if anyone have this i would really love to see that.
i guess no one has that video.
Guess so
Btw. i have always wondered, Samsungs Coach, is it the woman we see in pretty much every Samsung VOD?
On June 24 2007 13:24 Piano wrote: someone said that he was being scolded by his coach? does anyone have the video to the post game 5 match that shows this?
Wow, if anyone have this i would really love to see that.
i guess no one has that video.
Guess so
Btw. i have always wondered, Samsungs Coach, is it the woman we see in pretty much every Samsung VOD?
On June 24 2007 13:24 Piano wrote: someone said that he was being scolded by his coach? does anyone have the video to the post game 5 match that shows this?
Wow, if anyone have this i would really love to see that.
i guess no one has that video.
Guess so
Btw. i have always wondered, Samsungs Coach, is it the woman we see in pretty much every Samsung VOD?
Yes, that's the coach. And I was the one who posted about the scolding. I can't be sure that's what happened but the coach was talking to him and he suddenly looked less than happy and then tried to force a smile, it was just my initial reaction. According to the interview the coach didn't know about the ceremony either.
On June 24 2007 15:48 Pressure wrote: this really made me realize how strong FBH is and how gay he is with his ceremonies, seeing how Chalrenge-like they are
i mean wtf he did some weird indian dance around saviior...
On June 24 2007 15:48 Pressure wrote: this really made me realize how strong FBH is and how gay he is with his ceremonies, seeing how Chalrenge-like they are
i mean wtf he did some weird indian dance around saviior...
On June 24 2007 15:48 Pressure wrote: this really made me realize how strong FBH is and how gay he is with his ceremonies, seeing how Chalrenge-like they are
i mean wtf he did some weird indian dance around saviior...
The gap between Savior-Bisu vs. the rest isn't really that wide. I too thought these two players would cruise through on to the next round and possibly set up a double finals but Bisu got taken to 5 games and Savior got knocked out 3-2.
On June 24 2007 15:48 Pressure wrote: this really made me realize how strong FBH is and how gay he is with his ceremonies, seeing how Chalrenge-like they are
i mean wtf he did some weird indian dance around saviior...
On June 24 2007 06:52 dementus wrote: i don't think that dance was bm, it looked like a geeky dude not knowing how to properly handle his happiness. you'd be on cloud nine too if you won a 1 hour game against savior, got vulture chafe denied 5+ times and lost on the tvz heaven that is monty hall, and proxied him in the last game for a win. that series was a freaking emotional rollercoaster for me, and it definitely was more intense for these players. furthermore, this is probably his first trip to a semi-final, yes?
On June 24 2007 19:31 spammerA wrote: Chalrenge's MSL hall of fame ceremony shows class, the way he led the camera was art, definitely the most entertaining one in progaming history
i agree. FBH's drunken airplane imitation was a bit less art.
You guys are retarded. Ofc he coulda used queens. Up at the natural choke, not many bcs, and it's not like Yamato's gonna outsnipe Broodling in a million years. FBH only had 2 gas for awhile and hitting the tanks and reducing their # by even 5 broodlings worth + splash = Very different came outcome with follow thru drops etc.
Savior played ok but he REALLY had to use the whole Z arsenal cuz FBH did use everything Terran has to their disposal.
lol im a moron, for some reason I was still thinking of the last game when I responded to him. Ya broodling would be a good choice on a near mined out map against tanks. Any unit with energy becomes exponentially better when a map becomes low on resources. Savior could just hide them in some obscure spot on the map until they had the energy.
if savior do a ton of queen and let hide...waiting mana...then just hit and run. u would not be able to put bc in the choke (plague without restoration + scourge) so just broodling the tanks near the choke, etc.. this would force fbh to go out~ and of course, savior would crush with ultra + hydra + swarm
even if he dont go out + time = + broodling things
On June 24 2007 14:42 SunKistOranGeSoDa wrote: wow... first terran to beat savior in bo5.
shinhan masters finals were a few months ago..
We all know he means MSL and OSL. These are really starleagues.
so we should just ignore the shinhan masters, cos it's not really a starleague?
a bo5 is a bo5, and i'm very sure savior and nada were gunning to win the masters after the way shinhan 3 ended.
well in masters they didnt have to go through liek 50000 other players :\
true, but i would assume an invitational with the winners of the last 3 osls; the top 4 from shinhan 3 would be a sufficiently competitive environment. it was held not long after shinhan 3 too, so i don't think any argument about form is valid here. perhaps you can say that about the last superfight, but shinhan masters had 4 players in hot form battling it out. furthermore, all that competition in the premasters (with players like gorush, midas, yellow[arnc]) for that one measly last slot in the masters surely adds to the competitive "value" of the whole affair.
I think a good counter to what happen in game 1 is not let it happen. As soon as Savior have 100% complete control of the center, he could get a 2nd lair as soon as possible and upgrade overlord drop and speed. That way he could use his big army anywhere even on walled terran defense instead of fighting against bad odds through small chokes.
i haven't read any of the posts up to this point, since im guessing there's a lot of live reporting (i just finished watching game 1).
my thoughts on game 1: the first 40 minutes were very enjoyable, and even after that savior launched some intricate attacks on fbh's strong defence when he switched positions. the rest of the game was fairly boring, with fbh trying to use nukes like a jackass. not very respectful, in my opinion, since the ghost weren't being used for any strategic reason, but just because 'NUKES ARE FUNNY'.
watching fbh's victory dance made my lip curl. before i was slightly entertained with some of the victory dances, but now i think MBC and OGN should approach the situation like they do in every other major sport -- punish ceremonies with fines.
On June 25 2007 10:40 CTStalker wrote: i haven't read any of the posts up to this point, since im guessing there's a lot of live reporting (i just finished watching game 1).
my thoughts on game 1: the first 40 minutes were very enjoyable, and even after that savior launched some intricate attacks on fbh's strong defence when he switched positions. the rest of the game was fairly boring, with fbh trying to use nukes like a jackass. not very respectful, in my opinion, since the ghost weren't being used for any strategic reason, but just because 'NUKES ARE FUNNY'.
watching fbh's victory dance made my lip curl. before i was slightly entertained with some of the victory dances, but now i think MBC and OGN should approach the situation like they do in every other major sport -- punish ceremonies with fines.
If your opponent drags the game out when he's already dead he deserves to be nuked. I'm getting tired of seeing koreans battle till their last scv. may they all be nuked to death.
where the hell do they punish ceremonies with fines? in football you can basically do anything except taking your shirt off, and it might be a while before we see july doing naked victory dances.
players get fined all the time in the NFL for celebrations. sure, sometimes single players get away with doing a little dancing, but when it becomes organized in any way, the player gets fined by the NFL, and their team will receive a 5 or 10 yard penalty. in the NBA a player may not get fined (not sure about this), but any ceremonies or celebration dances are subject to being called as a technical foul.
and as for dragging out the game, i think fbh is the one who dragged the game out, to his advantage.
On May 18 2010 01:24 LosingID8 wrote: i really liked it when fbh would d-matrix a firebat at the end of the game... i hope he does that more in the future
I wish he could even play in the future, let alone win. That will be enough. That will be enough.
Meh, I still don't like FBH. Not for this, he deserved his dance here, but back when he'd actually win, he celebrated every single victory against mediocre players as if he had just won proleague.
On May 18 2010 01:47 lone_hydra wrote:
Why won't any of you 3 fucknuts win???
FBH: Always sucked at TvP, TvZ was dependent on the current trends, and iono about his TvT, might still be good Stork: For god's sake he's been a top player since like 2005, give him a break Bisu: Gimmicky PvT imo, PvZ is really hard right now and he's probably still a PvP beast
EPT
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And hes 15-4 with nearly 80% win in 2007 ! Savior is "only" around 55% this year.
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