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[ASL8] Ro8 Day1 Last vs Snow

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BLinD-RawR
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August 04 2019 02:27 GMT
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 03:33 GMT
#2
Even though I think Snow will probably take last, I will not be sorry in the least if we get a last/sharp ro4 TvT rematch. Their last one was a damn work of art
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
August 04 2019 04:30 GMT
#3
On August 04 2019 12:33 Wonk wrote:
Even though I think Snow will probably take last, I will not be sorry in the least if we get a last/sharp ro4 TvT rematch. Their last one was a damn work of art


their last few ones have been great despite what the results looked like.
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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 04 2019 06:07 GMT
#4
i want snow to win but only if he can beat action in the ro8
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 04 2019 06:09 GMT
#5
Snow should win easily, they played a Bo9 recently and Snow was just styling on Last at one point. Think the score ended 6-3 but the actual games were very Snow dominated.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
August 04 2019 07:03 GMT
#6
Last vs Snow sounds like a coin flip.
And so does Flash vs Rain!

TvP (Flash vs Snow, or Last vs Rain) or PvP (Snow vs Rain) in the finals. I have no hope for the swarm this season.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
August 04 2019 09:10 GMT
#7
Think Last will win but come on snow.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
August 04 2019 09:11 GMT
#8
Hopefully Snow doesn’t go for those silly two base carrier builds.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
August 04 2019 09:43 GMT
#9
On August 04 2019 18:11 RowdierBob wrote:
Hopefully Snow doesn’t go for those silly two base carrier builds.

2 base carrier?

That shit (P)Rocks
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 04 2019 10:01 GMT
#10
On August 04 2019 15:09 Dante08 wrote:
Snow should win easily, they played a Bo9 recently and Snow was just styling on Last at one point. Think the score ended 6-3 but the actual games were very Snow dominated.


Both players are amazing, but last prepares a lot and definitely more than what flash does for offline tournaments. 끝장전(end of the game?) 9 game series is somewhat "instant" showmatch and both of the players don't have much of time to prepare.

Also, P>T>Z>P rule affects a lot for a short preparation match.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4370 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 10:06:38
August 04 2019 10:06 GMT
#11
Ahh still remember Snow being a rookie showing amazing skill in PvT to impress the CJ fans!

Go go go Snow!
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 10:12 GMT
#12
Somebody get Artosis a cup of tea, please.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7035 Posts
August 04 2019 10:13 GMT
#13
Last gogogog
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:14 GMT
#14
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO.
this is hard to call. snow is so good with his shuttles but last knows this and he is a gosu. what will we see played??
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:18 GMT
#15
lr: snow 9 oclock last 12 oclock. snow places pylon outside base but no sneaky tech. standard play
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:19 GMT
#16
lr: lol; snow places robo at pylon outside base but is scouted immediately. what to do??
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
August 04 2019 10:19 GMT
#17
Snow = Mini renew version?
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
August 04 2019 10:20 GMT
#18
On August 04 2019 19:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
lr: lol; snow places robo at pylon outside base but is scouted immediately. what to do??

I think Snow should cancel that building to get 3rd base instead of it.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:21 GMT
#19
lr: this is all post goon range and expansion so it's not super all-in. they are just appeasing eachother atm O_O
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:23 GMT
#20
On August 04 2019 19:20 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 19:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
lr: lol; snow places robo at pylon outside base but is scouted immediately. what to do??

I think Snow should cancel that building to get 3rd base instead of it.

it seems like this was part of his build. after he finished it he got obs and reaverden in his main. seems like a big dedication but i guess it's ok since terran won't be there with anything other than vults for a while
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:24 GMT
#21
lr:: snow has taken his third by where his proxy robo be at (don't grammar at me).
sending dt's to contest the 3rd of last which seems inevitable but he is delaying it more than you would think would be apropro
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:25 GMT
#22
lr: terran's 3rd is super delayed because of dt's and snow's power. snow has taken a 4th
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 04 2019 10:26 GMT
#23
Last has no chance of winning imo unless he goes for timing pushes.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:26 GMT
#24
On August 04 2019 19:26 Dante08 wrote:
Last has no chance of winning imo unless he goes for timing pushes.


he is going to have to hit a sick 2:1 timing. this seems out of his grasp at this point
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 04 2019 10:27 GMT
#25
wow spanked, not even close. made last look like an amateur.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:27 GMT
#26
lr: snow killed the CC at last's 3rd and last GG's. 1-0 SNOW
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
August 04 2019 10:27 GMT
#27
Poll: Recommend Last vs Snow Game 1?

Yes (30)
 
97%

No (1)
 
3%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

31 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Last vs Snow Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Sorusaba
Profile Joined October 2017
310 Posts
August 04 2019 10:28 GMT
#28
Snow is pretty darn crisp
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 10:28 GMT
#29
wow last got OBLITERATED at every turn there.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
August 04 2019 10:28 GMT
#30
watching snow FPV execution is so clean and beautiful its like a bisu version of pvt
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 04 2019 10:28 GMT
#31
Those who thought Last has a chance haven't watched their Bo9 series in Starcraft End of the World.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:28 GMT
#32
Masterful play by snow
BW is back
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 04 2019 10:28 GMT
#33
On August 04 2019 19:26 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 19:26 Dante08 wrote:
Last has no chance of winning imo unless he goes for timing pushes.


he is going to have to hit a sick 2:1 timing. this seems out of his grasp at this point


I mean the whole series
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4370 Posts
August 04 2019 10:29 GMT
#34
Nice game by Snow. Seemed calm and collected through all that, even with the scouted robo
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
August 04 2019 10:29 GMT
#35
looking like a quick 30 tonight
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7035 Posts
August 04 2019 10:29 GMT
#36
On August 04 2019 19:28 Jackal03 wrote:
Masterful play by snow

ya, beautiful game really
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:29 GMT
#37
On August 04 2019 19:28 Dante08 wrote:
Those who thought Last has a chance haven't watched their Bo9 series in Starcraft End of the World.

i keep saying.. those games are different from the ASL. though i do favor snow here as i said before. but never be surprised if online results don't equal offline results.
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:31 GMT
#38
The timing of snow attacks was something amazing, looked like a "map hacker" lol
BW is back
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
August 04 2019 10:34 GMT
#39
Lovely moves from Snow. Fighting!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:34 GMT
#40
On August 04 2019 19:31 Jackal03 wrote:
The timing of snow attacks was something amazing, looked like a "map hacker" lol

i agree. it's like he always knows how many tanks the terran has and exactly where they are. usually when i play pvt i don't know where the tankline is or how deep it goes but i guess that's what makes him so much better than me :D
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 10:35 GMT
#41
On August 04 2019 19:31 Jackal03 wrote:
The timing of snow attacks was something amazing, looked like a "map hacker" lol

He had a ton of info, observers were never threatened; plus snow got intel with the shuttle. Masterful play with that proxy robo, I was watching with my mouth slightly agape. He got so much out of a scouted proxy that it's really frightening.
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7035 Posts
August 04 2019 10:36 GMT
#42
probe range is ridic
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:37 GMT
#43
probes own scvs xD
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:39 GMT
#44
lr: new bloody ridge terran 7 oclock setting up for siege expand vs protoss 2 oclock 1 gate expo. standard so far
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 04 2019 10:41 GMT
#45
that pylon was a retard magnet lol
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:41 GMT
#46
snow trades 3 dragoons for 2 tanks at last's 3rd
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:42 GMT
#47
snow cleans up the last tank at last's 3rd. last stuck on 2 base and snow is going reavers and carriers.
get rich or die mining
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:43 GMT
#48
On August 04 2019 19:35 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 19:31 Jackal03 wrote:
The timing of snow attacks was something amazing, looked like a "map hacker" lol

He had a ton of info, observers were never threatened; plus snow got intel with the shuttle. Masterful play with that proxy robo, I was watching with my mouth slightly agape. He got so much out of a scouted proxy that it's really frightening.


Also the shuttle scout, the information control of snow is really great
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:43 GMT
#49
game 2 is again an use of perfect map information and match knowledge, snow is really stomping last
BW is back
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 10:44 GMT
#50
oh god last is falling apart
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 04 2019 10:45 GMT
#51
last is so bad :/
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5857 Posts
August 04 2019 10:45 GMT
#52
Last is getting outclassed. :O
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7035 Posts
August 04 2019 10:45 GMT
#53
On August 04 2019 19:36 Puosu wrote:
probe range is ridic

correction, Snow is ridic
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:45 GMT
#54
last establishes 3rd but sacs a lot of scvs doing so. snow counters with a reaver drop to stall mining. no substantial damage inflicted but he is just buying time for mass carrier
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:46 GMT
#55
OMG, this is such an amazing peformance by snow
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:46 GMT
#56
This game is all the nightmares of a Terran player, lol
BW is back
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:46 GMT
#57
snow going 3 stargate carrier. expect a smashmouth: allstar
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 10:46 GMT
#58
I've never felt this bad for a human being ever
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:47 GMT
#59
On August 04 2019 19:46 Wonk wrote:
I've never felt this bad for a human being ever

fo rela
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:49 GMT
#60
Last going for the base trade
BW is back
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:49 GMT
#61
this counter-attack is pitiful
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 10:50 GMT
#62
so many carriers, no chance for last
BW is back
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:51 GMT
#63
lr: last tries to circumnavigate the cars and hit snow's third. he destroys the nexus but the carrier army that returns is too stronk. GG snow 2-0
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
August 04 2019 10:51 GMT
#64
Poll: Recommend Last vs Snow Game 2?

Yes (25)
 
93%

No (1)
 
4%

If you have time (1)
 
4%

27 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Last vs Snow Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 10:51 GMT
#65
Last sucks tonight.
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 10:52 GMT
#66
Did Last prepare for a Zerg opponent?
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 04 2019 10:52 GMT
#67
can terrans please learn tvp instead of spending all their time making 1-1-1 and mech builds verse zerg
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:53 GMT
#68
let's ask a kpop group for analysis going forward
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
August 04 2019 10:54 GMT
#69
On August 04 2019 19:51 Geographer wrote:
Last sucks tonight.


game 1 was much more snow being good than last being bad

iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 04 2019 10:54 GMT
#70
On August 04 2019 19:52 Motivate wrote:
can terrans please learn tvp instead of spending all their time making 1-1-1 and mech builds verse zerg

nope same builds for years and years and years. like 2 builds? maybe 1 build??
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Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 10:55 GMT
#71
It's a sad day for Terrans when Light has better PvT than Last. Snow isn't even that good and Last is making him look like Bisu.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria494 Posts
August 04 2019 10:56 GMT
#72
Perfect game by Snow, Protoss overwhelming!
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7035 Posts
August 04 2019 10:57 GMT
#73
hey there's still room for a comeback!

Last oggogogo
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 10:57 GMT
#74
This match will be over in 90 minutes which is an insult to the fans who came to the studio. Afreeca needs to somehow make these matches more competitive or people will stop watching.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 11:00 GMT
#75
On August 04 2019 19:57 Geographer wrote:
This match will be over in 90 minutes which is an insult to the fans who came to the studio. Afreeca needs to somehow make these matches more competitive or people will stop watching.


maybe afreeca should tie one of snow's hands behind his back to ensure balance
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 11:03 GMT
#76
On August 04 2019 19:57 Geographer wrote:
This match will be over in 90 minutes which is an insult to the fans who came to the studio. Afreeca needs to somehow make these matches more competitive or people will stop watching.

I seriously hope you are joking.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 11:07 GMT
#77
Fans prefer competitive games and long series to stomps.
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 11:09 GMT
#78
Last is done.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
August 04 2019 11:14 GMT
#79
Very one-sided
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 04 2019 11:15 GMT
#80
lol if this was tennis, last would get his prize money docked for that poor effort
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
August 04 2019 11:15 GMT
#81
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Last Game 3?

Yes (23)
 
92%

No (1)
 
4%

If you have time (1)
 
4%

25 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Last Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 11:15 GMT
#82
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.
WriterReV hwaiting!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51665 Posts
August 04 2019 11:15 GMT
#83
jesus snow took last on a bus ride there
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51117 Posts
August 04 2019 11:16 GMT
#84
On August 04 2019 20:07 Geographer wrote:
Fans prefer competitive games and long series to stomps.


this is Esports, not Esports Entertainment.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 11:17 GMT
#85
That was a relly amazing series for snow, such a god tier PvT, I don't doubt he could beat flash again in a series
BW is back
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 11:18 GMT
#86
On August 04 2019 20:07 Geographer wrote:
Fans prefer competitive games and long series to stomps.


fans also prefer BW as it is. What do you want them to do? Snow is the best PvTer in the world. The map pool is pretty close to balanced, you have to accept that sometimes you'll see stomps, it's the nature of competition.

Man, I was expecting Snow to win but not this easily. that was a real bopping.
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
August 04 2019 11:18 GMT
#87
One of the cleanest PvT series i have ever seen.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria494 Posts
August 04 2019 11:18 GMT
#88
On August 04 2019 19:57 Geographer wrote:
This match will be over in 90 minutes which is an insult to the fans who came to the studio. Afreeca needs to somehow make these matches more competitive or people will stop watching.


Come on, it's just a bo5 match, how long do you expect it to be. 5 games could've been played in less if there were more all ins and cheese plays. These were three proper games where Snow just demonstrated he can dominate the game vs Last. Very impressed with Snow's PvT, Last is no joke!
music is the best thing in the world
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 04 2019 11:19 GMT
#89
On August 04 2019 20:07 Geographer wrote:
Fans prefer competitive games and long series to stomps.


Lol, let's enforce a "no rush 15min" rule
BW is back
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 11:22 GMT
#90
On August 04 2019 19:55 Geographer wrote:
It's a sad day for Terrans when Light has better PvT than Last. Snow isn't even that good and Last is making him look like Bisu.


Snow isn't that good? Based on what, exactly?
Last's wrists are always a wild card but even then, Snow's PvT is probably the best there is at the moment.
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 11:24 GMT
#91
Admit it: everyone reading this thread was disappointed by the one-sided matches and would have preferred a five game series.

How the hell did Last prepare? Did he even watch Snow's games? Snow didn't do anything unusual or extraordinary, Last just reacted poorly to everything.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 11:25 GMT
#92
On August 04 2019 20:07 Geographer wrote:
Fans prefer competitive games and long series to stomps.

And it's players' business to prevent stomps and NOT afreeca's. They do their best picking wonky maps, but that's pretty much it, it's absurd to expect the organizer to try and affect the balance with more than a carefully selected mappool. What are they supposed to do? Take the better players' keyboards away?
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 04 2019 11:25 GMT
#93
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:26:14
August 04 2019 11:25 GMT
#94
I love how the fact that there's a "flash" makes that everyone has to be on top shape or be rolled
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
August 04 2019 11:28 GMT
#95
Snow is hitting peak level Stork PvT at the minute.

He's not quite peak level Jangbi yet but he's getting there holy shit.
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Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 11:28 GMT
#96
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 11:28 GMT
#97
On August 04 2019 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way


A very bold statement!
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4370 Posts
August 04 2019 11:33 GMT
#98
That was….poor Last
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
August 04 2019 11:34 GMT
#99
On August 04 2019 19:57 Geographer wrote:
This match will be over in 90 minutes which is an insult to the fans who came to the studio. Afreeca needs to somehow make these matches more competitive or people will stop watching.


What! If you go to see a fight and it ends with a 20 second knockout, would you expect the organizer to meddle with the fighters for the next fight so that the fights last longer? I hope not.
If you're into scripted things, watch WWE or whatever it is called now. But to complain that one BW player is so outclassing the other that they need outside regulation to make it more entertaining for you - what insolence is this?
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 04 2019 11:35 GMT
#100
On August 04 2019 20:28 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way


A very bold statement!

Rain's form is good enough for me to be bold
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geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:38:23
August 04 2019 11:36 GMT
#101
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant. And i'm a die hard Stork fan.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:38:29
August 04 2019 11:38 GMT
#102
On August 04 2019 20:36 geod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant.

even better than Rain? I guess he could be but does one bo5 automatically make him better?
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 11:40 GMT
#103
On August 04 2019 20:38 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:36 geod wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant.

even better than Rain? I guess he could be but does one bo5 automatically make him better?


Rain's PvT is very good but I don't think it's as good as Snow's.
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:41:44
August 04 2019 11:41 GMT
#104
On August 04 2019 20:38 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:36 geod wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:28 Geographer wrote:
Snow lost to the amateur ZeLot who got absolutely stomped in the next round. It's hard to call Snow elite so soon after that.

His PvT is not just elite but is No 1 unquestionably. ZeLot plays Zerg so totally irrelevant.

even better than Rain? I guess he could be but does one bo5 automatically make him better?

Of course not just this Bo 5 he is the only P that wins over Flash in a Bo5 since like forever.
nikolaus8844
Profile Joined March 2019
115 Posts
August 04 2019 11:42 GMT
#105
What am I reading here... Snow is not that good, Snow didn't do anything unusual or extraordinary, and Flash won't make it past Rain. I'm just... short on words to write in response to these statements.
I think Artosis was spot-on in his repetitive remark that Last is approaching his opponent the wrong. Playing standard vs the very best really does put you against the odds.
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
August 04 2019 11:42 GMT
#106
Last is quite weak in TvP so consider Snow's competition. Last is best in TvT and TvZ.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 11:45 GMT
#107
On August 04 2019 20:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:28 Xain0n wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way


A very bold statement!

Rain's form is good enough for me to be bold

Stats suggest otherwise, to be honest, but Flash is not somebody to underestimate anyone, least of all Rain whose style he knows fairly well. This is not to say Rain is not dangerous, of course.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 11:55:19
August 04 2019 11:54 GMT
#108
On August 04 2019 20:45 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 20:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:28 Xain0n wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote:
On August 04 2019 20:15 TaardadAiel wrote:
Flash has a slow sweat drip down his back right now.

he won't make it past Rain either way


A very bold statement!

Rain's form is good enough for me to be bold

Stats suggest otherwise, to be honest, but Flash is not somebody to underestimate anyone, least of all Rain whose style he knows fairly well. This is not to say Rain is not dangerous, of course.

I mean Rain literally just won a tourney, so I'm sure he will ride the momentum. Being a long-term fan of Rain, he's been known to not one crumble under high expectations (he does get super lazy lol)
Flash is still really strong though, so I guess it might be close, just recency bias for Rain (and bias for him anyways, I support Rain more than anyone)
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 12:24:52
August 04 2019 12:21 GMT
#109
Those surprised at the result obviously don't follow BW closely. Snow is the by far the BEST PvT player and Terrans other than Flash suck at TvP.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 12:43:16
August 04 2019 12:42 GMT
#110
Dominant performance from Snow.

Edit: Snow needs Flash to knock Rain out. He's probablly the only player in the World who wants to play Flash not Rain.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 12:47 GMT
#111
On August 04 2019 21:42 Greg_J wrote:
Dominant performance from Snow.

Edit: Snow needs Flash to knock Rain out. He's probablly the only player in the World who wants to play Flash not Rain.

This.
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TiQ.SinGi
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway386 Posts
August 04 2019 12:49 GMT
#112
Snow is a beast PvT. Did not expect a clean 3-0 sweep. But GG's, sad that Last is out
On the up-side it will make for a very interesting ro4 on this side of the bracket. I think Action is quite happy with this result, and if he meets snow in the next round he might go all the way to the finals. If Action meets Rain in the finals then I think Action might take it! But if Sharp wins over Action, most likley Snow goes to the finals, and if he meets Flash there I think Snow might win, if he meets Rain in a PvP then I'm betting on Rain becoming the champ. Although I'm really hoping the finals will end in a non mirror-mu whoever gets there.
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
August 04 2019 12:53 GMT
#113
On August 04 2019 21:21 Dante08 wrote:
Those surprised at the result obviously don't follow BW closely. Snow is the by far the BEST PvT player and Terrans other than Flash suck at TvP.


Like suddently player who used to play with 350+ apm has sub 200 apm and has negative winrates across the board...

It is very painfull to see Last unable to perform like he used to.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 13:03:37
August 04 2019 13:00 GMT
#114
What a PvT monster SnOw is! Even Bisu couldn't outclass 2nd best terran like he schooled. Last was hiding on his terran hole like a rat all three games and couldn't do anything, even minor cheap vulture harass. I'm expecting SnOw on finals vs. FlaSh. Maybe FlaSh is going to lose another TvP to same person after his like 10 years unbeatable record until ASL5 ro8 vs. him.

On August 04 2019 21:53 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 21:21 Dante08 wrote:
Those surprised at the result obviously don't follow BW closely. Snow is the by far the BEST PvT player and Terrans other than Flash suck at TvP.


Like suddently player who used to play with 350+ apm has sub 200 apm and has negative winrates across the board...

It is very painfull to see Last unable to perform like he used to.


Yeah, Last really needs some rest. His performance was OK seeing how bad his wrists were, he told on KSL he went to doctor. I know what is wrist pain, actually got some on left hand because of spamming lately, can't imagine how hard for Last smashing buttons when you feel that pain constantly.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 04 2019 13:55 GMT
#115
Why does everyone jump to the conclusion Last lost because of wrist pain? Has he at least said he had wrist pain recently? I think it is just people making excuses.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1117 Posts
August 04 2019 14:13 GMT
#116
Last played bad, plain and simple. Its not from yesterday that his TvP has problems, he lost Stork 0-3 in KSL not long time ago in KSL 3. He did swap Action and Best to get rid of 2 protosses in the group nominations also.

On the other hand, SnOw was really impressive. I always thought he had some major macro leaks, like his probe transfert, he forget pylones way more than others Top P, etc. But today everything seemed on point, and his decisions making was Flashesque
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 04 2019 14:33 GMT
#117
Last was crazy spooked. Snow won the mind game MASSIVELY. Look at the builds both used in game 2, for example.

So, the defending ASL champion is that afraid of Snow and his abuse. Nothing out of the ordinary.
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
August 04 2019 14:34 GMT
#118
On August 04 2019 22:55 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Why does everyone jump to the conclusion Last lost because of wrist pain? Has he at least said he had wrist pain recently? I think it is just people making excuses.


http://bj.afreecatv.com/rlatjdgus228/posts?page=3

You can google- translate these entries and later ones, I don't think Last would lie about stopping streaming and such. Besides, would Last have won KSL or ASL with this kind of performance? Would he have placed constantly top in sponsored matches? Yes, Last has tendency to crumble under pressure but today it that was not the case. Just bad mechanical execution in every way.
it's not just a music it's something else
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
August 04 2019 15:20 GMT
#119
I don't like one sided matches :/
:3
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 04 2019 16:07 GMT
#120
Where did all these "Flash won't make it past rain" conclusions come from? Rain is undeniably the best PvPer in the world but his PvT has never been anything spectacular (compared to his PvP, at least), and certainly not up to the calibre of snow's in terms of decision making.
lepape
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 16:40:48
August 04 2019 16:39 GMT
#121
Those three games were a true work of art by Snow.

That third expansion denial in game 1 with DTs and Reaver, that Shuttle surviving impossible odds in game 2, the outmanoeuvering and outflanking in game 3, when almost any other Protoss in the world would have panicked. Masterfully done, he makes that matchup look so easy.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 04 2019 16:48 GMT
#122
On August 05 2019 01:07 Wonk wrote:
Where did all these "Flash won't make it past rain" conclusions come from? Rain is undeniably the best PvPer in the world but his PvT has never been anything spectacular (compared to his PvP, at least), and certainly not up to the calibre of snow's in terms of decision making.

It’s just fanboyism. Let them think what they want. We both know Flash will probably win big.
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
August 04 2019 16:48 GMT
#123
Amazing play by Snow - he 100% deserved this win and sweep.
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4408 Posts
August 04 2019 17:58 GMT
#124
Beautifully played! Wow Snow is a PvT artist.
The feeling of this series reminded me of Bisu vs Savior.
I'm truly hoping for Snow vs Flash finals
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 04 2019 18:34 GMT
#125
That was some clean PvT by Snow, amazing. Always ahead of Last every game.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8695 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 20:30:16
August 04 2019 20:25 GMT
#126
On August 05 2019 01:39 lepape wrote:
Those three games were a true work of art by Snow.

That third expansion denial in game 1 with DTs and Reaver, that Shuttle surviving impossible odds in game 2, the outmanoeuvering and outflanking in game 3, when almost any other Protoss in the world would have panicked. Masterfully done, he makes that matchup look so easy.


Just watched the games and can only agree. It's always amazing to see with how much care Snow maneuvers his units around the map in PvT to get all those advantages. Simply amazing strategic play paired with great micro.

On August 04 2019 20:22 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 19:55 Geographer wrote:
It's a sad day for Terrans when Light has better PvT than Last. Snow isn't even that good and Last is making him look like Bisu.


Snow isn't that good? Based on what, exactly?
Last's wrists are always a wild card but even then, Snow's PvT is probably the best there is at the moment.


Especially when Bisu's worst match up has always been PvT.
AF0x
Profile Joined June 2018
United States59 Posts
August 04 2019 22:28 GMT
#127
Snow played incredibly well in this series. He seemed to be far more prepared than Last. Every one of his builds and maneuvers seemed very calculated and precise. I'm hoping that we can see Snow vs. Flash in the finals.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 04 2019 23:30 GMT
#128
Every ASL gets better. There is a good chance we will see Flash vs Rain this tournament and a rematch of Snow vs Flash in the finals.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
August 04 2019 23:45 GMT
#129
In Snow's universe Black Sabbath has a hit song Aiur Man. Man this was so satisfying to watch
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 05 2019 00:59 GMT
#130
what a stomp. i can't believe i picked light to win this series. thought that snow was too gimmicky but no he's just fuckin gosu.
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
August 05 2019 01:04 GMT
#131
I was already hoping for a Snow vs. Flash finals, this just adds to the hype. Sharp and Action are both credible threats, but I think Snow has decent odds against both, and I don't see anyone on Flash's side taking him out unless Flash is playing poorly.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 01:10:05
August 05 2019 01:09 GMT
#132
On August 05 2019 01:07 Wonk wrote:
Where did all these "Flash won't make it past rain" conclusions come from? Rain is undeniably the best PvPer in the world but his PvT has never been anything spectacular (compared to his PvP, at least), and certainly not up to the calibre of snow's in terms of decision making.


Yeah it's weird, like where are they getting that conclusion from. In the previous match thread someone looked up the sponbang stats and Rain has a <20% win rate vs Flash last month.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 05 2019 01:11 GMT
#133
On August 05 2019 10:09 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 01:07 Wonk wrote:
Where did all these "Flash won't make it past rain" conclusions come from? Rain is undeniably the best PvPer in the world but his PvT has never been anything spectacular (compared to his PvP, at least), and certainly not up to the calibre of snow's in terms of decision making.


Yeah it's weird, like where are they getting that conclusion from. In the previous match thread someone looked up the sponbang stats and Rain has a <20% win rate vs Flash last month.

ever since he lost to sharp by making an umbillion mistakes i have discounted his pvt as well. idk if that series was 100% his pvt but it definitely made me wonder. that series is when i started getting high on sharp. and not just because he looks like a korean seth macfarlane
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
August 05 2019 01:56 GMT
#134
snow played absolutely perfect... what a masterful showcase.
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Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
August 05 2019 02:00 GMT
#135
Too bad for Last. He won ASL7 while facing elimination 5 times. The match vs Sharp was awesome, and the match vs Rain in the semis was one of the most thrilling I've seen. The Mini - Effort semifinal was great also. Hoping ASL8 has matches like that as we get deeper.

Snow can certainly deliver. I can't help but remember his game on Whiteout vs Soulkey in ASL7 Ro16 (where Snow was sadly also eliminated by Last). That game was superb.
Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
August 05 2019 02:29 GMT
#136
On August 05 2019 11:00 Nematocyst wrote:
Too bad for Last. He won ASL7 while facing elimination 5 times. The match vs Sharp was awesome, and the match vs Rain in the semis was one of the most thrilling I've seen. The Mini - Effort semifinal was great also. Hoping ASL8 has matches like that as we get deeper.

Snow can certainly deliver. I can't help but remember his game on Whiteout vs Soulkey in ASL7 Ro16 (where Snow was sadly also eliminated by Last). That game was superb.


He was eliminated by Last previously but when Snow's BGM choice is 'The Circle if Life' he must've known what was up
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2435 Posts
August 05 2019 05:06 GMT
#137
On August 05 2019 10:09 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 01:07 Wonk wrote:
Where did all these "Flash won't make it past rain" conclusions come from? Rain is undeniably the best PvPer in the world but his PvT has never been anything spectacular (compared to his PvP, at least), and certainly not up to the calibre of snow's in terms of decision making.


Yeah it's weird, like where are they getting that conclusion from. In the previous match thread someone looked up the sponbang stats and Rain has a <20% win rate vs Flash last month.


Best 36%
snow 28%
Stork 26%
Mini 25%
Jaehoon 20%
Rain 19%

LOL their boy losing out to Jaehoon

Gotta admit I didn't expect Best to be that high, though.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 05 2019 06:23 GMT
#138
Best is a beast online, watching Flash 's play vs him he has a good balance of harass openings and late game macro.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden557 Posts
August 05 2019 10:13 GMT
#139
I almost can't believe how good Snow and Mini's reaver/speedShuttle micro is. I also can't believe how bad my micro is when i try this out. Very fun style to play, though.

Snow's PvZ is not that good imo, so i think he will have a tough time if Action wins against Sharp.
I would like to see Snow vs Sharp in bo4 and Snow vs Flash in finals.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 05 2019 10:27 GMT
#140
On August 05 2019 19:13 A.Alm wrote:
I almost can't believe how good Snow and Mini's reaver/speedShuttle micro is. I also can't believe how bad my micro is when i try this out. Very fun style to play, though.

Snow's PvZ is not that good imo, so i think he will have a tough time if Action wins against Sharp.
I would like to see Snow vs Sharp in bo4 and Snow vs Flash in finals.


Snow's PvZ is not his best offline but online he has a good ratio; also, he advanced over Soulkey in the last KSL.
Snow vs Action, if it happens, will be hard to predict.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden557 Posts
August 05 2019 10:44 GMT
#141
On August 05 2019 19:27 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 19:13 A.Alm wrote:
I almost can't believe how good Snow and Mini's reaver/speedShuttle micro is. I also can't believe how bad my micro is when i try this out. Very fun style to play, though.

Snow's PvZ is not that good imo, so i think he will have a tough time if Action wins against Sharp.
I would like to see Snow vs Sharp in bo4 and Snow vs Flash in finals.


Snow's PvZ is not his best offline but online he has a good ratio; also, he advanced over Soulkey in the last KSL.
Snow vs Action, if it happens, will be hard to predict.


Snow did not stand a chance vs Larva in the late game when they played these 9 show matches recently.



If it comes to Snow vs Action, i think Snow can win in the early/mid game. He might be able to pull of some corsair/reaver plays with a 2 base Zelot timing follow up, or some similar timing push. If i recall, that's how he won against Soulkey.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5195 Posts
August 05 2019 10:48 GMT
#142
Snow is always a threat in Bo5 though. I remember when everyone thought he'd be easy pickings for Jaedong in their series and he still brought it to 5 games. Snow is a very good BoX player.
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
August 05 2019 12:58 GMT
#143
hoping to see snow vs flash again in finals
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1117 Posts
August 05 2019 13:16 GMT
#144
On August 05 2019 19:48 Uldridge wrote:
Snow is always a threat in Bo5 though. I remember when everyone thought he'd be easy pickings for Jaedong in their series and he still brought it to 5 games. Snow is a very good BoX player.


Especially against Rain in KSL 3
Snorkels
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1015 Posts
August 05 2019 15:16 GMT
#145
This was a slaughter, Snow looked so good!
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
August 05 2019 16:15 GMT
#146
On August 05 2019 22:16 TornadoSteve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 19:48 Uldridge wrote:
Snow is always a threat in Bo5 though. I remember when everyone thought he'd be easy pickings for Jaedong in their series and he still brought it to 5 games. Snow is a very good BoX player.


Especially against Rain in KSL 3

Given that no Protoss has beaten Rain in a series in quite some time, I think that can be forgiven.
On August 05 2019 19:44 A.Alm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 19:27 Xain0n wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:13 A.Alm wrote:
I almost can't believe how good Snow and Mini's reaver/speedShuttle micro is. I also can't believe how bad my micro is when i try this out. Very fun style to play, though.

Snow's PvZ is not that good imo, so i think he will have a tough time if Action wins against Sharp.
I would like to see Snow vs Sharp in bo4 and Snow vs Flash in finals.


Snow's PvZ is not his best offline but online he has a good ratio; also, he advanced over Soulkey in the last KSL.
Snow vs Action, if it happens, will be hard to predict.


Snow did not stand a chance vs Larva in the late game when they played these 9 show matches recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvv0Ghi9f1k

If it comes to Snow vs Action, i think Snow can win in the early/mid game. He might be able to pull of some corsair/reaver plays with a 2 base Zelot timing follow up, or some similar timing push. If i recall, that's how he won against Soulkey.

Snow has a higher win rate vZ than vT online, it just depends on whether he'll be able to bring it offline. He did take out Miso, Shine, and SoulKey in KSL, so he should have a decent chance of doing so.
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 20:06:29
August 05 2019 20:05 GMT
#147
Something everyone should be aware of about Rain:

Rain is notorious for being lazy about StarCraft when he streams. His Sponbbang results have pretty much never been great, and he plays much less than most others. But somehow he keeps winning offline matches.

Flash is still probably the favourite to win, but an online Rain and an offline Rain are two completely different people. Even if Rain wins it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.
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Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
August 06 2019 02:54 GMT
#148
Question:
In the first game Last's scv passes Snows probe taking a weird scouting path at around 2:10. Would it be fair to say that Last knew about at least the rough position of the proxy pylon then and later only had to confirm it after snow placed a building?
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August 06 2019 07:12 GMT
#149
On August 06 2019 05:05 RWLabs wrote:
Something everyone should be aware of about Rain:

Rain is notorious for being lazy about StarCraft when he streams. His Sponbbang results have pretty much never been great, and he plays much less than most others. But somehow he keeps winning offline matches.

Flash is still probably the favourite to win, but an online Rain and an offline Rain are two completely different people. Even if Rain wins it shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

Thanks, this is useful context to know, and I say that sincerely.

*goes right back to furious Rain anti-fanning*
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