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On July 23 2019 16:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: not like ive ever seen you or anyone else make an LR thread before either sorry, i didnt mean it as offend, instead i'm really thankful for your work and the time that you spend doing these threads | ||
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On July 23 2019 16:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: not like ive ever seen you or anyone else make an LR thread before either Sadly mines are not even 50% closer to yours.i can only make some paint drawing and a really messy results maps etc :d ;( But in emergency times it works xD | ||
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Malongo
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Action and Footgamer to advance. | ||
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PVJ
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On July 23 2019 18:29 Malongo wrote: Action is on fire and Larva too solid. Mini way overrated and Light coming back to terran. Action and Footgamer to advance. I bet Light can beat both of them and Mini was in all the Ro4s lately that's not overrating him to assume he will go on here too. | ||
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THANK GOD ! | ||
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Jackal03
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edit: spoke too soon, seems that mini was not prepared | ||
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On July 23 2019 19:25 FlopTurnReaver wrote: what a dumb f'ing map.. What do you think is dumb about it? | ||
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On July 23 2019 19:20 Jackal03 wrote: larva failing so hard edit: spoke too soon, seems that mini was not prepared ROFLMAO Im cheering hard for larva that was awesome | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
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How about 2 almost free bases for zerg and no easily defendable natural for protoss and terran? It's just Transistor all over again. I was so happy when they retired that map after like 1 round at the ASL. | ||
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On July 23 2019 19:20 Jackal03 wrote: larva failing so hard edit: spoke too soon, seems that mini was not prepared mini saw a ling all-in and all he needed to do was make one more cannon, instead he went full D'oh | ||
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Snorkels
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I like both of these guys but Larva needs to take that second spot. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Mini vs Larva? Yes (9) No (2) If you have time (1) 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Mini vs Larva? Poll: Recommend Action vs Light? Yes (10) If you have time (1) No (0) 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Action vs Light? Poll: Recommend Winner's Game Set 1? Yes (5) If you have time (4) No (0) 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game Set 1? Poll: Recommend Winner's Game Set 2? Yes (12) No (0) If you have time (0) 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game Set 2? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On July 23 2019 20:35 Jackal03 wrote: Like many, I was surprised action got a first place I was not really | ||
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On July 23 2019 21:12 konadora wrote: honestly i cant understand the carrier choice, the map is pretty shit for carriers with a huge open mid?? yeah, that was a horrible choice and it was quickly defeated | ||
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Snorkels
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Really wanted to see that Skytoss hold, let's see how Larva can do in this bo3 | ||
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konadora
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On July 23 2019 21:13 Dante08 wrote: Mini screwed up big time there, no reason to go for risky 2 base Carrier builds when you're so much better in long games. Props to Light though. especially considering how he got away so easily with 12 nex.. just go arbiter and its an ez clap win geez | ||
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light just hanging | ||
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On July 23 2019 21:45 konadora wrote: light's a pretty good tvz player but i think this loss is more on larva making defensive mistakes Not only that, but trying to attack Light with lurkers on the natural was not succesful at all, that set him really behind. | ||
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On July 23 2019 21:33 Terrorbladder wrote: Wait how hasn't Light gg'd yet? There's no point just breaching the nat with lurkers, Terran can just camp on one base and get tanks out. You need to rush hive and get defilers if you want to kill Terran. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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Larva, on the other hand, looking fairly nervous. | ||
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Snorkels
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On July 23 2019 21:41 Breach_hu wrote: Why dont Terrans upgrade Vessel energy? It makes the regeneration also faster. Starting energy higher max but doesn't increase regeneration per liquipedia? If it actually did that I'd wonder too but I've never heard of that. Generally not maxing out energy as you use them all the time, bank storms but spend irradiates | ||
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Jackal03
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3 port | ||
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On July 23 2019 21:53 Snorkels wrote: Starting energy higher max but doesn't increase regeneration per liquipedia? If it actually did that I'd wonder too but I've never heard of that. Generally not maxing out energy as you use them all the time, bank storms but spend irradiates Maybe not, but still 150/150 is not big of a deal for 1 or 2 more irradiates. | ||
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ggsimida
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On July 23 2019 21:53 Snorkels wrote: Starting energy higher max but doesn't increase regeneration per liquipedia? If it actually did that I'd wonder too but I've never heard of that. Generally not maxing out energy as you use them all the time, bank storms but spend irradiates energy regen always is fixed and not dependent on max energy you dont get max energy research because you are suppose to be using irradiate everytime u reach 75 and not be banking energy.banking energy means you are not pressuring the zerg hard enough | ||
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On July 23 2019 21:57 ggsimida wrote: You will be getting first Irradiate on a Vessel faster though. 62 -> 75 compared to 50 -> 75energy regen always is fixed and not dependent on max energy you dont get max energy research because you are suppose to be using irradiate everytime u reach 75 and not be banking energy.banking energy means you are not pressuring the zerg hard enough | ||
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On July 23 2019 22:01 Terrorbladder wrote: You will be getting first Irradiate on a Vessel faster though. 62 -> 75 compared to 50 -> 75 By the time that the money for the upgrade doesn't really matter, the rate at which your vessel reaches its first Irradiate doesn't really matter either. | ||
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ggsimida
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On July 23 2019 22:01 Terrorbladder wrote: You will be getting first Irradiate on a Vessel faster though. 62 -> 75 compared to 50 -> 75 by the time u have enough resource to spare to purchase and finish the research, the speed of the first irradiate doesnt matter in the lategame. | ||
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outscar
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On July 23 2019 22:04 Dante08 wrote: Wow Larva alot worse is ZvT compared to 1-2 years ago. Feels like it, he was on fire on Season 4 but no more... Light played exceptionally good, he controlled those vessels godly on first game and 2nd was brilliant strategy and execution. Time for Larva to go back on his stream to be a punching bag lol. | ||
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Jackal03
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anyway, happy that light is out | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On July 23 2019 22:05 BLinD-RawR wrote: TL has the best writers and predictions. On July 23 2019 22:05 PVJ wrote: Well how about that Granted, it was an insane prediction, but man, I'm so happy Light really is rejuvenated. I hope he continues to impress in the elimination matches. Terran fighting! <3 | ||
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On July 23 2019 22:07 outscar wrote: Feels like it, he was on fire on Season 4 but no more... Light played exceptionally good, he controlled those vessels godly on first game and 2nd was brilliant strategy and execution. Time for Larva to go back on his stream to be a punching bag lol. Yeah feels like Larva hasn't adapt to the new meta in ZvT where Zergs go 2 hatch to put alot of pressure on Terran, as Artosis pointed out. | ||
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Xain0n
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On July 23 2019 21:55 TaardadAiel wrote: Light is damn insane. Well played, nice predictions. I trusted Larva here, such a devastating loss. | ||
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Jackal03
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at least we can see rain doing the impossible things he do, he seems invincible in this mirror doesn't matter what he does | ||
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Xain0n
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On July 23 2019 22:14 Jackal03 wrote: sad that group C is only pvp, the worst mirror at least we can see rain doing the impossible things he do, he seems invincible in this mirror doesn't matter what he does Worst mirror...or best mirror? Reasonably, the real question is who is going through in second place. | ||
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oEkY
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On July 23 2019 22:09 Jackal03 wrote: larva is cursed to never go father then the ro16 he reached the ro8 in ASL5 and got 4th in ASL4 though | ||
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Jackal03
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On July 23 2019 22:21 oEkY wrote: he reached the ro8 in ASL5 and got 4th in ASL4 though the curse is in the last 3 ASL | ||
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Wonk
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nice work on light advancing, hope he gets a good match. | ||
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PVJ
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On July 23 2019 22:26 Wonk wrote: i can't state enough how much i appreciate tasteless and artosis nice work on light advancing, hope he gets a good match. Isn't this predetermined? A1 vs. B2? | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
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Unlikely. In ASL7 it was B1-D2, A1-C2, C1-B2, D1-A2 and in ASL6 A1-C2, B1-A2, D1-B2, C1-D2. Although, maybe they'll change it in a way where A1 will play B2 this time around. | ||
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Also, light is such a solid player | ||
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On July 23 2019 22:21 whaski wrote: Light played suprisingly good TvP against Mini. Maybe the Protoss--episode made him a better player after all 😀 I was thinking the same. It s nice to see him advance, i have to admit i wasnt a believer | ||
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Very impressed with action and light, hopefully they don't just get 3-0d next round haha. With soulkey leaving to army so soon, maybe action is about to be the best zerg around now? At least until zero can actually make it past qualifiers haha. It's totally not going to happen but would be so cool to see light make it to the finals. He's been a top player (top 5 terran on and off for like 10+ years) for so long but never made a finals before as far as I can remember (I think his best result was the semifinals of bigfile MSL?). Larva totally had that bloody ridge game won if he would have just rallied lings/mutas to light's natural after forcing a liftoff. Also if he remembered to bring his queens over once his defiler was throwing down swarms in the second game he totally could've trapped a ton of light's army with ensnare/swarm, but I guess he just didn't have the muscle memory for it. | ||
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PVJ
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On July 24 2019 00:49 FakeFin wrote: In ASL group winners are getting randomly drawn against second places from other groups, in KSL its predetermined On July 24 2019 00:09 FlopTurnReaver wrote: Unlikely. In ASL7 it was B1-D2, A1-C2, C1-B2, D1-A2 and in ASL6 A1-C2, B1-A2, D1-B2, C1-D2. Although, maybe they'll change it in a way where A1 will play B2 this time around. Mm, alright. Thanks! | ||
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Real story of the day is Action, though! Mafia zerg hwaiting! | ||
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On July 24 2019 18:15 Turbovolver wrote: Glad Mini got exposed. LOL what is that supposed to mean? A player who has been beating big names like Flash online for the last 2 years and made it deep into most tournaments in that time, now he doesn't make it into ro8 for once and is exposed?? So I guess Soulkey was also exposed last ASL when he didn't make it into Ro8? | ||
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On July 24 2019 21:35 FlopTurnReaver wrote: LOL what is that supposed to mean? A player who has been beating big names like Flash online for the last 2 years and made it deep into most tournaments in that time, now he doesn't make it into ro8 for once and is exposed?? So I guess Soulkey was also exposed last ASL when he didn't make it into Ro8? yeah dude rain sucks too he lost 0-4 to jaedong in KSL a year ago /s | ||
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TaardadAiel
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By the way, Mini should be immensely popular among the protosses of group C now. | ||
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EsportsJohn
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I'm ultra amazed that Light made it through so convincingly. I'm still not a believer, seems more likely that Light just had a pretty good day and his opponents threw pretty hard. | ||
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nikolaus8844
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Seems to me that this is one of the very few things that separates the very top from the many contenders - holding strong when the shit hits the fan. Legends like Flash just seem to never even think of giving up... just fight tooth and nail all the time - on a good day AND on a bad day. | ||
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On July 24 2019 21:35 FlopTurnReaver wrote: LOL what is that supposed to mean? A player who has been beating big names like Flash online for the last 2 years and made it deep into most tournaments in that time, now he doesn't make it into ro8 for once and is exposed?? So I guess Soulkey was also exposed last ASL when he didn't make it into Ro8? Well yeah, Soulkey's overrated too. | ||
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On July 25 2019 14:37 Jaeyun wrote: One thing to say Mini got exposed since despite his greatness he's still a bit erratic but Soulkey is as great of a Zerg this game's ever seen. You obviously didn't see prime JD or Savior Light has always been one of my favorites. Shocking dominance. Loved it. Agree w/ the comment that mimi's passive play didn't suit his style. Wonder why he went gateway --> expo. I've never seen him do that before. | ||
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On July 26 2019 12:01 TornadoSteve wrote: Why unexpected ? Action has proven to be the best active zerg in the world right now (may be behind SK) while Light is 2nd in sb matches behind only Flash I've been a fan of Light's since 2006 or 2007, and have had my heart broken so many times in individual leagues with him not performing up to his proleague or practice house standards. So in that sense it's a bit of a pleasant surprise. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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 I actually gave up on Light when he tried to proxy larva on that funky map in ASL 4 but it looks like he came back stronger after his "small journey as a protoss". Lets face it though, his best shot to make it to RO4 is to face an afkSK in RO8 | ||
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On July 26 2019 06:28 Jaeyun wrote: I’ve been following the pro scene for a long time. By great, I’m not referring to pure results but raw talent/knowledge that could be transferrable to any era. I see little difference between Zero and SK from that POV. I actually have been souring on SK's play recently. Feels Larva-esque in terms of how defensive he has become. That said, I don't follow the scene *that* closely; this is simply my intuitive impression from watching everything in individual leagues/KCM the past few years. Guess it doesn't really matter anymore with SK going away for 1.5 years. We'll see what the scene is like then. | ||
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PVJ
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On July 27 2019 08:42 KamMoye wrote: I see little difference between Zero and SK from that POV. I actually have been souring on SK's play recently. Feels Larva-esque in terms of how defensive he has become. That said, I don't follow the scene *that* closely; this is simply my intuitive impression from watching everything in individual leagues/KCM the past few years. Guess it doesn't really matter anymore with SK going away for 1.5 years. We'll see what the scene is like then. I heard promising things about Soma -- is he really that good? Never really got to see much of him. | ||
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On July 26 2019 15:25 thedeadhaji wrote: I've been a fan of Light's since 2006 or 2007, and have had my heart broken so many times in individual leagues with him not performing up to his proleague or practice house standards. So in that sense it's a bit of a pleasant surprise. i remember when light had that incredible run in the bigfile msl where he stomped effort (fresh off an osl victory) and had jaedong against the ropes 2-1 in the semi-final - then he forgot how to defend 2 hatch and just died. it was one of the more sadder moments in his career. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On July 28 2019 06:58 KamMoye wrote: Rain was (slightly) ahead, too, in my opinion, The last time i watched a zerg with a big economy like this was Hero vs Best on transistor in ASL 5. At zero point in the game Rain had any kind of lead. | ||
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On July 27 2019 08:42 KamMoye wrote: i think theres a discrepancy between practice/stream soulkey and what you typically see in live tournament. If this were a different era soulkey would almost be Canata esque, where you hear about something great and never see it. If you were to confine your analysis of his play to only the ASL, he is extremely underwhelming relative to his hype. not a born champion type.I see little difference between Zero and SK from that POV. I actually have been souring on SK's play recently. Feels Larva-esque in terms of how defensive he has become. That said, I don't follow the scene *that* closely; this is simply my intuitive impression from watching everything in individual leagues/KCM the past few years. Guess it doesn't really matter anymore with SK going away for 1.5 years. We'll see what the scene is like then. | ||
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KamMoye
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On July 28 2019 09:33 TornadoSteve wrote: The last time i watched a zerg with a big economy like this was Hero vs Best on transistor in ASL 5. At zero point in the game Rain had any kind of lead. I don't remember that game, but I'm staying up for tonight against all rational judgment, and I've some time to pass, so I may watch it. I may be wrong. I'd have to to rewatch to get more specific. But the margin of denying Rain's 3rd was razor thin, maybe five or ten seconds. I might be exaggerating it; it was certainly no more than a minute, but if Rain denied that zerglings from killing the pylon and Rain had properly positioned zealots on the ramp with a cannon warping in, momentum would have swung to Rain in a big way. Soma compromised his long term integrity because he smelled blood. This is something only truly great players do, because you have to be right far more often than not to justify going that route over the Larva-esque python squeeze strategy. If you manage to pull it off, though, it gives you incredible decision making--and at parts of the game where most pros aren't pressured into such tight high-risk decisions. It scales much better at the higher levels than defensive play, especially for Zerg. It was very impressive, and he almost took down Last the very next match. Did you even watch closely or are you just looking for reasons to disagree with me? I've seen your name before but don't recall you ever having anything positive to contribute in my direction. Edit: Best v Hero from ASL5 has Hero BO counter Best and get lings into his main, doing economic damage... and then best loses his first reaver and four sairs in his first drop, killing ~1 drone. Totally different game. In Rain v Soma, Rain goes FE v 9pool... yeah, if Rain has 2 lots on the ramp to stop the lings from attacking the Nexus, he saves the Nexus and has a comfortable lead. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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I am not comparing both games, i am just saying that in the pro scene, its pretty rare that a zerg reach this high number of drones to start to just product from hotkey hatchs and attack from the rally point. Rain clearly let himself fall into this phase of the game by doing (almost) nothing and it was game over from there. | ||
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