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On July 20 2019 23:14 FakeFin wrote: I really hope ZeLoT finds a way out of this group, but i doubt that he has any real chance with bo3 in winners, losers and final matches getting into ro16 is already a big unprecendented accomplishment for an amateur. zelot has nothing to lose and the pressure being on the pros could play to zelot advantage and let his bag of tricks surprise the terrans. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Wont be an easy walk for ZeLoT though, but i will be rooting for him. | ||
EsportsJohn
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Rush had a laughably easy group, which he topped by playing reasonably not bad. There was nothing special about his games, and his play wasn't extraordinarily tight. He's been grinding for a really long time, and I've yet to see any real results that convince me he's anywhere near the realm of top contender. And he's up against Sharp and Last, perhaps the best two TvT players in the tournament. Also, although ZeLoT played actually extremely well in the Ro24, there's very little reason to suspect that he'll suddenly go god mode in a Bo3 to take the group, especially against two top tier ace Terran players. Remember that he beat Snow with a hydra bust and outplayed a more or less retired Jaedong. He wasn't playing literally two of the top 5 players in the tournament. EDIT: Added Cadenzie to the casters list. She deserves it. | ||
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Wonk
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O.P.
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Head: Last & Sharp | ||
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Burned Toast
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Go, Zelot, go! | ||
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followed by a hydraling allin on a map where terran has high ground defense and a really narrow choke.. | ||
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I was looking forward to today  | ||
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Also, noregret has improving steadily as the games have been going on. This is what TvT does for you, it truly is the big brain matchup | ||
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Breach_hu
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He should gather gas from the depleted one at the high ground expo. | ||
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Sharp's supply is keeping me on edge, cheering for game 3 | ||
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On July 21 2019 21:06 xccam wrote: So my first thought is - I don't like this Bo3 format. Give it time, i can't imagine any the other nights being anywhere near this long. | ||
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that would be really sad | ||
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On July 21 2019 21:37 Geographer wrote: How did JD lose to zelot? Zelot played horribly. have you seen jaedongs zvz lately? | ||
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On July 21 2019 22:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I don't get why Rush keeps throwing his units into Sharp's army, instead of just attacking the relatively exposed based at 9. seems he tryed that, but sharp has a huge mobility advantage with the dropships | ||
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Jackal03
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come on sharp, one last game. You can do it | ||
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On July 21 2019 22:36 Snorkels wrote: At 7 minutes is it worth using a scan to take out Rush's barracks there to slow factories? I don't think so, when he only had 1 scan and had to scout for mines at outside of his base | ||
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Jackal03
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sharp's a hero player, 4 hours of playing TvT | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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one day he will beat last. | ||
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Katkishka
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On July 21 2019 22:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Whoever the other English caster is, should just let Cadenzie talk. She's the bw expert, you are not. Stop passive aggressive talking about how you don't like her words or whatever. This, it was distracting hearing him try to backtalk her/attack her over her commentary. These two have no synergy whatsoever. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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On July 21 2019 22:52 neutralrobot wrote: NoRegret and Cadenzie are actually a dynamic comedy duo. There's no excuse for constantly interrupting and trying to talk over your analytical caster no matter how "funny" you think you are. Or saying that the words Cadenzie uses like "gravy" aren't real words. | ||
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LaStScan
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neutralrobot
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On July 21 2019 22:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote: There's no excuse for constantly interrupting and trying to talk over your analytical caster no matter how "funny" you think you are. Or saying that the words Cadenzie uses like "gravy" aren't real words. Interesting. I thought that the two were doing an intentional deadpan kind of comedic banter routine with one another. Reminded me of how I would joke with some of my friends. I'd be interested to know how each of them perceived it. I figured NoRegret had never heard the "we'll be gravy" idiom, but he understood its meaning and that it was just a saying he'd never come across, and so he decided to joke about "gravy" not being an adjective (which, ordinarily, it is not). I thought the joke worked. I mean, Cadenzie was 100% joke casting for a lot of that time. I was cracking up when she was casting about how he was building supply depots because they allow building more units, but they also cost resources, for example. | ||
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Wonk
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On July 21 2019 23:01 LaStScan wrote: Sharp mentioned my name in the interview :D i missed it, I guess it didn't make it across in the translation congrats for helping sharp prepare, he needed everything he could get vs. last and it was damn close | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 21 2019 23:12 Wonk wrote: i missed it, I guess it didn't make it across in the translation congrats for helping sharp prepare, he needed everything he could get vs. last and it was damn close http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/46171529 04:04:44 You'll hear like "You Seung Gon seon su" | ||
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outscar
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Was that intentionally or not but NoRegret acted like he sees this game for first time. I watched dozens of his recent casts with RAPiD and he wasn't this clueless as this time, f.e. not knowing that rax is only important in TvT to make more facts, but not marines, really? Felt like he just wanted more experienced Cadenzie to tell everything. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Also, can someone confirm thats Light who is tearing the ladder with Flash? If so, he might be in a better shape than i thought he was. Could be a fun group B... | ||
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whaski
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On July 22 2019 02:53 TornadoSteve wrote: ZeLoT was disapointing, to say the least. Also, can someone confirm thats Light who is tearing the ladder with Flash? If so, he might be in a better shape than i thought he was. Could be a fun group B... http://sponbbang.com/bj/ Flash is first, Light second by a large margin. | ||
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AgentRabbits
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https://youtu.be/3q4G6LuT3t8?t=2526 It seems to be Hungarian, which caught my attention because it seems unusual for OllehTV to be advertising something other than Hollywood/Netflix and their own domestic shows. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Yes, she probably has more knowledge than tasteless2.019. But guess what? Hes got enough knowledge to not be clueless, he is funny and comfortable as a caster, and is dynamic. So is Artosis who actually still play the game. Rapid has got better, not annoying anymore, but this is it. In other words, ASL without Tastosis is in korean for me. | ||
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BlueStar
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sorry for saying this but I'm thrilled how bad his cast was today ;x | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
then you have to think for a moment, out of all the bw players and casters who live in seoul when artosis, tasteless, rapid are unavailable you can just about count them on one finger. so who is your ideal choice in that situation? you complain a lot but i dont think you take the time to think who are english speaking bw casters living in seoul^^ | ||
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TornadoSteve
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NeMu555
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Casting can be improved on and tasteless and artosis have improved tremendously but how many years have they been on this.... Constructive critizim looks good hope they don't take it too hard and improve. Biggest issue that can be fixed for me is the ingame to music to commentary volume: Ingame should be highest, commentary second, and last should be music volume. Its pretty messed up alot of times! | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On July 22 2019 11:30 TornadoSteve wrote: Also, can we stop lying ? NoRegret is a bad bw caster, and so is cadenzie.This game is 21 years old, older than noregret. If "he doesnt know bw too much", well, can we find someone who does ? Nothing against him, he looks like a fun nerd. So is cadenzie. On top of that, shes cute. But i would fall asleep even if she was casting the game of the year. Yes, she probably has more knowledge than tasteless2.019. But guess what? Hes got enough knowledge to not be clueless, he is funny and comfortable as a caster, and is dynamic. So is Artosis who actually still play the game. Rapid has got better, not annoying anymore, but this is it. In other words, ASL without Tastosis is in korean for me. You do realize that Tasteless and Artosis have like 15 additional years experience casting, right? OF COURSE THEYRE FUCKING BETTER. It's the first time (to my knowledge) that Cadenzie has ever casted something this big, and noregret is obviously fairly new to casting as well. Casting is not easy to get into, and there's a lot of nuance involved in it that can only be built up with experience. I don't know what you were expecting, dude. Also, it's super rude to comment like this here when you know Cadenzie will read this. Offer up some positive criticism, don't just bash them. Cadenzie is definitely doing better than her first cast and starting to open up a lot more and let her personality shine. I'd say she still has a lot of work to do in terms of enunciation and tone. She often tends to go a bit monotone, so I think a focus on trying to vary her tone between excitement, analysis, curiosity, etc would go a long way into making her a more "interesting" caster to listen to. The drone also tends to contribute to mumbling. Fix the monotone, everything else improves .For NoRegret, honestly it just seems like a lot of pacing issues. You really gotta let your co-caster know when you're done saying something and be obvious about it. Try to keep your thoughts in bite-sized chunks and come to a very clear stopping point so you can pass the baton over to your co-caster. Try not to speak over people unless it's related to the action onscreen. I know a lot of people are slamming NoRegret for "not knowing much about BW", but I think he was also in this case trying to defer to Cadenzie for the analysis much like Creighton was doing. If you've got a pro player sitting at your desk, you gotta give them the analysis mic. That said, I think there's a middle ground between looking like someone who's never seen the game before and trying to analyze over the pro player (lul), and it's a difficult sweet spot to hit. Cheers guys, keep working on the cast, and I'm glad we have someone to take over for Tastetosis occasionally. (I secretly wish I could be out there doing it and getting blasted on TL about how shitty my voice is to listen to. You guys are living the dream right now). | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28634 Posts
Like, I'm a teacher. Last year there were a couple times where I had to step in and replace someone teaching a subject I didn't know to a group of pupils I hardly knew and with only 5 minutes to prepare. Those classes had one thing in common - I sucked at teaching the subject matter I was supposed to teach. :p But I'm pretty happy that there wasn't some message board where the kids would go together and post about what a crappy teacher I am based on those classes. Basically; I'm just really happy we have an english cast. I think Artosis+cadenzie has been amazing, obviously tastosis has a dynamic others can't really replicate, and when it's been cadenzie+some noob it's been less good. But even then I much prefer it to having no english cast at all - people can just mute or watch the korean one if they're too annoyed by a sc2 player trying to make sense of things. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On July 22 2019 08:03 AgentRabbits wrote: I am wondering if someone knew what the TV show they were advertising at roughly 42 minutes in the youtube VOD? https://youtu.be/3q4G6LuT3t8?t=2526 It seems to be Hungarian, which caught my attention because it seems unusual for OllehTV to be advertising something other than Hollywood/Netflix and their own domestic shows. I was so weirded out by that too. When I first heard Hungarian words during the ad break I was thinking wow does YT do some magic on-the-fly localised advertising now or what? It's a mediocre looking thriller you can find the link here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6190456/ I can only think it got distributed there b/c audiences like the raw, gritty cop movies which this seems to be a copy of. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
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A.Alm
Sweden512 Posts
NoRegret on the other hand is rude, arrogant and lacks basic BW knowledge. On July 22 2019 15:56 CadenZie wrote: its fair enough if noregret, creighton, myself, whoever else might not be your ideal caster; but you say "can we find someone who does?" then you have to think for a moment, out of all the bw players and casters who live in seoul when artosis, tasteless, rapid are unavailable you can just about count them on one finger. so who is your ideal choice in that situation? you complain a lot but i dont think you take the time to think who are english speaking bw casters living in seoul^^ If NoRegret gets the honor to cast the largest BW tournament there is, he should probably take a few days to learn about the game and the players participating in the group. There's not exactly a lack of information regarding the game and players... | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 22 2019 15:56 CadenZie wrote: its fair enough if noregret, creighton, myself, whoever else might not be your ideal caster; but you say "can we find someone who does?" then you have to think for a moment, out of all the bw players and casters who live in seoul when artosis, tasteless, rapid are unavailable you can just about count them on one finger. so who is your ideal choice in that situation? you complain a lot but i dont think you take the time to think who are english speaking bw casters living in seoul^^ definitely agree. btw, I think I'm fluent enough to commentate the game in English, but not this year  still got like 300 more days to serve ps: i really like rapid's commentating. his tone with feeling in it is heating up audience's excitements. | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
they almost ruined one of the best TvT's of long time | ||
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Ideas
United States8085 Posts
lots of great TvTs I'm starting to really like multiverse Sharp is a trooper A couple BW fans continue to be way too negative for such a small community and act like their bitching in these threads will somehow change anything for the better. ASL cares SO LITTLE about the foreign community, we're SO lucky to get an english cast at all and it's totally free. This community is like 1/10 the size it used to be. Try to be positive and make it better for everyone or just don't participate at all, jeez. | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
Damn, was totally thinking about you Scan  hopefully next year then! | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 22 2019 11:30 TornadoSteve wrote: Also, can we stop lying ? NoRegret is a bad bw caster, and so is cadenzie.This game is 21 years old, older than noregret. If "he doesnt know bw too much", well, can we find someone who does ? Nothing against him, he looks like a fun nerd. So is cadenzie. On top of that, shes cute. But i would fall asleep even if she was casting the game of the year. Yes, she probably has more knowledge than tasteless2.019. But guess what? Hes got enough knowledge to not be clueless, he is funny and comfortable as a caster, and is dynamic. So is Artosis who actually still play the game. Rapid has got better, not annoying anymore, but this is it. In other words, ASL without Tastosis is in korean for me. if you can do better then fly out to korea. noregret has an inquisitive intelligent mind and cadenzie is good enough to carry the analytical. you don't need artosis to explain everything to you. if you do, you don't deserve him. understand that sometimes casters have to travel and do other events. how many English casters do you think live in korea? don't be so entitled | ||
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[AS]Rattus
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Noregret is probably just a guy who is there and didn't say no when asked. But its his job to at least know something about the game he casts right? Or atleast about the players, the maps... anything... I thought he would improve too but he sticks to "im just a sc2-caster" and doesn't rly seem to care. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On July 22 2019 16:17 TornadoSteve wrote: they live in korea because they're casters, they got good at it because they've been casting for years. Tasteless' first year of casting was like...frequent bursts of five minutes where it was live but he had nothing to say, and would openly say that. "Uhhh ok I have nothing to say, guess were just waiting dodododod, oh look theres pandabearguy." It was a mess compared to now lol.Unless im mistaken, Tastosis arent casting because they live in Korea, theyre casting because theyre good at it. They moved to Korea for that particular reason, i get it. But now on, they arent giving interviews with the players nor do they interact with the scene at all. Theyre just casting what Shine (or whoever is obsing those ASL games) is showing on the screen. I mean, why cant anyone outside Korea cant cast over a Korean stream? From what i understand,all you need is bw knowledge, some funny statements, being dynamic and wearing a tie. cadenzie does need more confidence when she speaks though, and I have a feeling shes one of those people who even in a one on one context speaks relatively quietly. A mumbler. Have more confidence girl! | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
To the viewers: give her and others a chance. You can't expect people to substitute for Tastosis and fill those shoes right away. Constructive criticism goes a long way to helping them and ultimately providing better casts. To the casters: prepare in advance if you aren't already doing so. make sure you understand the issues on the maps that will be played, particularly wrt races playing that day. Knowing upgrades is also important. Cadenzie had to explain the tank upgrades at one point as to why one side effectively had 1/2 the tank capability. To the audience is normal, but explaining to the other caster... need to know that. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 23 2019 01:53 Nematocyst wrote: I'm glad I can hear her now. To the viewers: give her and others a chance. You can't expect people to substitute for Tastosis and fill those shoes right away. Constructive criticism goes a long way to helping them and ultimately providing better casts. To the casters: prepare in advance if you aren't already doing so. make sure you understand the issues on the maps that will be played, particularly wrt races playing that day. Knowing upgrades is also important. Cadenzie had to explain the tank upgrades at one point as to why one side effectively had 1/2 the tank capability. To the audience is normal, but explaining to the other caster... need to know that. bw wasn't built in a day and noregret is a sc2 caster so it's nice to see him pass it off. he is no so good at that in his sc2 casts :D | ||
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nikolaus8844
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That being said.. I read on Nyoken's Twitch signature that he aspires to be an ASL caster and he seem to be working hard on it. His inside into the game is..... simply unsurpassed, including by Artosis. His excitement is not forced, but rather a genuine amazement at the game. I'll happily do all in my power to support him if he decides to give living in Korea a shot! | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 23 2019 06:43 KamMoye wrote: I didn't watch the TvTs aside from the first one but thought casting was fine. NoRegret always veers close to "annoying," but is just intelligent and charming enough for me not to mind him. Cadenzie's analysis is next level and I wish she would cast every game, at least every Zerg game. Hope the games get better. What a terrible season of games /matchups so far .yeah I blame the opening map for these awful games tbh. maps are supposed to create new metas but this map really pigeon holes races into playing a very specific way and it's not as fun as it was probably intended to be | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
2 easy summarizing commentators usually play their roles to make it much more exciting. A was summarizing briefing stuff and B does reaction to A(like "we don't think the player will be able to hold the rush or counter-argument) Like proleague MarineKim, Nal_rA, female caster like 9 years ago | ||
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NeMu555
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On July 23 2019 12:02 LaStScan wrote: Idk if this is a rule of korean commentary, but they always have 1 high level understanding + 2 easy summarizing for audiences(new+low and middle level players). 2 easy summarizing commentators usually play their roles to make it much more exciting. A was summarizing briefing stuff and B does reaction to A(like "we don't think the player will be able to hold the rush or counter-argument) Like proleague MarineKim, Nal_rA, female caster like 9 years ago makes sense actually, most people who have really good knowledge aren't as entertaining as some others might be. | ||
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