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EsportsJohn
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GTR
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might be switching to the korean stream for this one unfortunately. | ||
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EsportsJohn
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
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Ej_
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GTR
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
 The game was so one sided, Best outplayed JyJ in every way. | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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Wonk
546 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
On July 16 2019 17:51 FlopTurnReaver wrote: Why did MisO not play for a month? Is ASL not a serious thing anymore? He played awful.. Im waiting for a Zerg to have an answer to this build other than aggression. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Wonk
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GTR
51486 Posts
On July 16 2019 17:45 Breach_hu wrote: Was it JyJ on Reverse Temple when he lost this vessel in a base trade? Can anybody link that game? | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:29 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: Miso is an idiot. What did he think would happen? He's a genius, best BW game in a long time. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:31 Greg_J wrote: Did that have any chance? absofuckinlutely not | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
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Wonk
546 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4019 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:34 Greg_J wrote: Why was he building queens he was obviously going to be dead before they could do anything. Questionable choices there. Mutas into hydras into queens, classic transition. | ||
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nikolaus8844
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4019 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:39 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: serious question tho. what's with the mech tvz recently? Is it because of the maps, or current meta favors mech more than bio? There was a large string of games in which zergs just crushed bio play with the initial control group of mutas. The goliath build came along, and has been doing better against it. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4019 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:44 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: There was a large string of games in which zergs just crushed bio play with the initial control group of mutas. The goliath build came along, and has been doing better against it. wow thats interesting, that worked against 2cc-5rax terran as well? | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:39 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: serious question tho. what's with the mech tvz recently? Is it because of the maps, or current meta favors mech more than bio? Hmm I think since Zergs got good playing 5 rax + 1 Terrans have been trying gas builds to throw Zergs off which is why you see so many mech builds. And mech builds have been so refined now that they are somewhat viable even against aggressive openings. Like building just 1 marine which was never seen in the past iirc. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:49 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: wow thats interesting, that worked against 2cc-5rax terran as well? They were picking off enough marines and turrets and then just sitting over the group of barracks | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4019 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On July 16 2019 19:00 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: aight lets hope zergs figure out this mech bullshit soon, because it would suck balls if bio becomes completely forgotten in all 3 terran matchups ... it will come down to aggression forcing more bio units. The cycle continues | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Wonk
546 Posts
The cast was good and it definitely got better as it went along! There was a good dynamic of creighton asking questions and giving cadenzie a chance to talk about the matchups, i can't emphasize how nice it is to hear it from a zerg perspective. I know he's a SC2 caster and starting out with BW, but he's got a pretty well refined presence as a caster and with some more BW experience under his belt I'd be super glad to see him back. | ||
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outscar
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
On July 16 2019 18:15 GTR wrote: <iframe src='https://gfycat.com/ifr/CavernousDapperGallinule' frameborder='0' scrolling='no' allowfullscreen width='640' height='524'></iframe> pure gold! | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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IRseriousCat-
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
Why do they always do this? I thought they cared about showing exciting games to the fans so much? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13181 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On July 16 2019 21:23 FlopTurnReaver wrote: Oh great, an all P group, how exciting! Why do they always do this? I thought they cared about showing exciting games to the fans so much? I guess it's good that they get mirror matchups out of the way early so it reduces the chances later in the tournament? | ||
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
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Wonk
546 Posts
Last (t) Rush(t) Sharp(t) ZeLot(z) B Mini(p) Larva(z) Action(z) Light(t) C Rain(p) Snow(p) Stork(p) Best(p) D Horang2(p) Sacsri(z) Flash(t) Soulkey(z) | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 16 2019 21:24 RowdierBob wrote: Rain, Snow, Stork and Best in the same group -_-;; That's so good for Rain and so bad for Snow and Best, I don't think Last made a good swap. | ||
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Wonk
546 Posts
On July 16 2019 21:27 oEkY wrote: there might be 11 pvps in a row, lol, hard to watch even as a P My hope of 11 TvTs in a row were dashed | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On July 16 2019 21:24 Dante08 wrote: I guess it's good that they get mirror matchups out of the way early so it reduces the chances later in the tournament? You realize that we are looking at a potential of 11 pvp matches in that ro16 group? This is a travesty for the viewers. It's so ridicolous. Not only can he manipulate his own group, but even sabotage his rivals by tampering with two other groups than his own. So many seasons in the ro16 we repeat this sort of thing where two groups are good, two groups are laughable. So not only is it unfair to bestow the current champion with this advantage, but it is also damaging for the viewers. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
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Wonk
546 Posts
On July 16 2019 21:52 KamMoye wrote: Awful groups. This is turning into a terrible ASL. I don't think so. The groups might be a bit wonky with the protoss group but there's pretty clear favourites in each group and enough players for an incredibly solid ro8 | ||
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TornadoSteve
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On July 16 2019 21:42 tanngard wrote: You realize that we are looking at a potential of 11 pvp matches in that ro16 group? This is a travesty for the viewers. It's so ridicolous. Not only can he manipulate his own group, but even sabotage his rivals by tampering with two other groups than his own. So many seasons in the ro16 we repeat this sort of thing where two groups are good, two groups are laughable. So not only is it unfair to bestow the current champion with this advantage, but it is also damaging for the viewers. Lmao you hating a matchup doesn't make it a travesty. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
1 - Rain v Snow 2 - Stork v Best 3 - Winners 4 - Losers 5, 6 (, 7) - Decider | ||
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Wonk
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
jyj and miso kinda disappointed me today. | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On July 16 2019 23:06 Dante08 wrote: Lmao you hating a matchup doesn't make it a travesty. Where did i say i hate pvp? I enjoy the matchup in fact. But having a group of all mirror matchups will get tiresome in the end. For semantic reasons it might be a better to use a word like " really bad" than "travesty", i could concede that. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On July 16 2019 23:50 Wonk wrote: my undertanding of the format was bo1s for the first 2 games, bo3s for the winners, losers and final games. giving 2x bo1s and 3x bo3s, 11 sets theoretically. I remembered it differently but that makes sense then thanks man EDIT: COOL! I think it's great that the possibly best pvp players are playing against each other and they all have to only prepare for this matchup. What I'd do if I wouldn't be interested in this group is to just skip it. EDIT2: Hope to see Stork go through~~~ <3 <3 | ||
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Ideas
United States8128 Posts
group a - last / sharp group b - mini / action group c - rain / stork group d - flash / soulkey | ||
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outscar
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Group A (head): Last, Sharp. Group A (heart): Sharp, Rush. Group B (head): Mini, Action. Group B (heart): Larva, Action. Group C (head): Stork, Rain. Group C (heart): Stork, BeSt. Group D (head): Flash, SK. Group D (heart): Sacsri, SK. EDIT: I forgot, ro16 going to be bo3 right? Then it's ever better and exciting and of course unpredictable. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 17 2019 01:48 outscar wrote: Group A: TvT fest. Really tough for Rush, ez for Last and Sharp. Group B: Looks exciting. I think Larva in a lot trouble: 1) If he gets Mini on Block Chain he's done 2) Unredictable ZvZ vs. one of the consistent zergs Action 3) Monster TvZ terran Light. Group C: PvP fest. I think Stork has an upper hand here but Rain, Snow and BeSt aren't forces to joke with. Group D looks like cakewalk for FlaSh, only force is SK. I'm not that convinced about Sacsri even if he won his group by defating FlaSh, IMO he got lucky. Group A (head): Last, Sharp. Group A (heart): Sharp, Rush. Group B (head): Mini, Action. Group B (heart): Larva, Action. Group C (head): Stork, Rain. Group C (heart): Stork, BeSt. Group D (head): Flash, SK. Group D (heart): Sacsri, SK. EDIT: I forgot, ro16 going to be bo3 right? Then it's ever better and exciting and of course unpredictable. I get that Stork is back and everyone is excited about it, it's even likely he is favored to advance over Snow and Best, but over Rain, the king of PvP? Also, group A should be easy for Last but Sharp's weak TvZ makes Zelot a respectable opponent. Overall, I tend to agree with you but my heart says Mini, Larva from group B(maybe my head too) and Best, Snow from group C(but that's almost impossible). | ||
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TornadoSteve
1077 Posts
Action&Larva Rain&Stork Flash&SoulKey | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3683 Posts
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Aesthetician
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Miragee
8560 Posts
On July 17 2019 03:16 superjoppe wrote: The Muta vs Goliath battle in the loser match made me so sad. Zero micro from Zerg :-( Yes that was incomprehensible. : / On July 17 2019 00:43 Dazed. wrote: eh i dont think it will be too bad, its just a deep dive into the matchup. Most of the games will be quick reaver pushes and over in ten anyway. if the pvp group was a tvt group it would take a week to complete. we are blessed. I would rather watch a pure TvT group than a pure PvP group. xD | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13181 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On July 17 2019 06:04 Miragee wrote: Well, Best crushed the group as expected and Light just played his solid style in the other games. The last game was really nice though. Yes that was incomprehensible. : / I would rather watch a pure TvT group than a pure PvP group. xD I second that last statement, though it might be too long. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On July 16 2019 23:51 [AS]Rattus wrote: creigthon should keep his conclusions to himself though. jyj and miso kinda disappointed me today. You should keep your opinions to yourself though | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
Group A: Last and Sharp (Although I hope Zelot displays some epic ZvT cheezes) Group B: Mini and Action (Althought Light might advance over Action) Group C: Rain and Stork (Snow seems his nerves crack in PvP) Group D: Flash and Soulkey | ||
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
On July 17 2019 04:01 Aesthetician wrote: Nice to see Stork coming back in to form- his appearance has changed a lot since the old days. Not too happy with the casters, I ended up just watching the Korean stream. I'm not trying to be a hater but when I watch casters other than Tastosis they just don't have that level of professionalism, polish, and game knowledge that makes it so entertaining to listen to. More professional SCBW casters other than just Tasteless and Artosis would be so awesome. Cadenzie seems like she has some game knowledge but her delivery is rather lackluster, she sounds like an amateur streaming on twitch rather than a professional commentator. Cadenzie is doing fine, improving from one cast to the next. She does also provide the knowledge, and even thought her co-caster was not on top of bw-related matters, he did do a decent job by asking her questions about what was happening, thus 'complementing' her in this cast. Cadenzie plays at the top level in league(s) now, lives in Korea, and is rapidly improving her skills and getting to know other progamers on a personal level, just as Tastosis have done in the past. So IMO they both can have the same level of 'game knowledge', but Tastosis have been casting and casting ASL in particular since the get go, therefore they have a lot more relations & experience in the specific caster-situations. It's not easy to please everybody so if you have listened a long time to Tastosis then perhaps a word of advice: Be more patient before commentating stuff like this. Especially that last sentence: 'she has some knowledge bla bla', kinda tells me that you do not know of Cadenzies or her skill level in general, and when you are uninformed, perhaps its better to NOT voice your opinion to the world, when clearly YOU are the amateur? Atleast be more detailed when critizizing. It's a 20 year old game, be happy there still are casters providing english content & commentary. Or go do better yourself :-) Second time now (commentating on other posters before the games) but this stuff really irritates me... I think the last group had decent games, Best was in Be(a)st mode! My predicitons for Ro16: Group A: Last & Zelot Group B: Mini & Action Group C: Rain & Snow Group D: Flash & Soulkey | ||
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RogerChillingworth
3036 Posts
B - Mini, Action C - Rain, Best D - Flash, Soulkey (or Horangi if SK can't play) | ||
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Starecat
939 Posts
When is Tastosis is like what Artosis plays casually while Tasteless adds memes to the cast because his wrists are dead? | ||
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Lazyer
United States362 Posts
B - Mini Light C - Rain Stork D - Flash Soulkey They really went hard with bashing poor Horang2 during group selection >; | ||
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JackyVSO
Denmark85 Posts
It's really a pity with all those tosses in one group. Only one of Best, Stork and Snow will get through. They're all great players to watch. Best vs Stork is a toss-up (...), and the winner will face either Snow or the loser in the final match. I'm guessing Rain/Stork for this one. Group A is a walk in the park for Last, and it shouldn't be much of a problem for Sharp either. He shouldn't have any problems taking out Rush or ZeLot in a best of 3. In group B, Action is looking strong. Larva has some problems vs Protoss so he will probably face Light in the losers' match, which I think he can win, and then either Mini (in which case he'll lose) or Action (in which case we'll have an epic ZvZ final match with perhaps the two best ZvZ players). Probably Mini/Action will make it out. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
http://sponbbang.com/profile/?month=2019-07&bj_id=27 Even though he tends to underperform offline, I think that he can even win his group. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On the other hand, it was obvious that the bald guy knew nothing about StarCraft, and while he did good banter all his game commentary boiled down to him asking Cadenzie what was going on. I had to watch the Korean broadcast after the second game because of this. Was Rapid not available? | ||
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GTR
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
On July 22 2019 05:08 GTR wrote: rapid is in china for wcg with tastosis so you're left with cadenzie/noregret/creighton That explains it. I'm glad someone even showed up in the first place, and I can't deny that the bald guy did the best job anyone could expect a person who doesn't know BW could do. | ||
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