[ASL8] Ro24 Group E

On July 14 2019 19:29 maybenexttime wrote:
Haha, hold lurkers in Sharp's 3rd.

On July 14 2019 19:36 Nesto wrote:
Hmm, is this a different Hyuk? He doesn't look like the good old SKT Hyuk, who's famous for Hyuking himself

On July 14 2019 19:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Been a while since I watched a BW game. What an annihilation.

On July 14 2019 20:01 Xain0n wrote:


Are we speaking of the same Sharp who advanced to KSL 2 finals after beating Rain?

On July 14 2019 20:33 Xain0n wrote:


Stork is playing well and can surely beat Sharp but saying he is the favourite here seems a little too much to me.

On July 14 2019 20:49 Jackal03 wrote:
I feel that too, he was too relaxed in his defences. One extra spore/sunken would've made a win

On July 14 2019 21:10 ortseam wrote:
Ensnare doesn't affect goliath fire rate.

On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.

On July 14 2019 21:06 Xain0n wrote:


Sharp's TvP was literally the best except for Flash's in the last eight months(considering tournament results), he appeared weaker in TvZ. Maybe that changed with KSL 3, I would still be reluctant to consider Stork the favourite in a series.

On July 14 2019 21:14 Kaolla wrote:
He played quite alright though, I've definitely seen way worse (Hyuk that is)

On July 14 2019 21:19 Xain0n wrote:

That's a fascinating theory, actual results in Starleagues seem to indicate otherwise; also, Sharp is expected to smash at least Mini.

On July 15 2019 02:52 KamMoye wrote:


Sharp is 10-13 v P in ASL and got thoroughly beaten by a decrepit Stork.

On July 15 2019 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Stork played great in his group. He really looked revitalized. I wonder what has changed.

On July 15 2019 04:00 Xain0n wrote:


In the last seven/eight months Sharp had very good results against the best Protoss in both ASL and KSL, his all time record in ASL isn't really that relevant.

On July 15 2019 04:24 TaardadAiel wrote:]
Decrepit? How? That's the same Stork who destroyed the current ASL champion 3:0 fairly recently.

Mini, for his part, doesn't have the best PvT. He got demolished 3:0 by Sharp in the CMSL, IIRC.

On July 16 2019 00:19 Dazed. wrote:
fucking bizarre that you make the argument sharps tvp is mediocre and cite his stats as proof, and then immediately follow that up with, well, broodwar is high variance we shouldnt pay too much attention to small stats.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MAN.

On July 16 2019 00:58 Xain0n wrote:
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Not counting team leagues and foreign tournaments, Sharp went 17-6(8-0) in TvP in the span of seven months(from ASL 6 to Castermuse Starleague).

On July 16 2019 01:19 KamMoye wrote:

I think you need to work on reading comprehension. For example, at no point did I ever say Sharp is mediocre vP.

How old are you guys? Yeesh. Yes, nuance and complexity exists. It's not rocket science.

On July 16 2019 03:39 TaardadAiel wrote:
In ASL6 - it started about 11 months ago - Sharp won against then defending champion Rain.

In the wildcard match for the ASL7, Sharp won against Rain 3:2. Then beat Best in a thriller game on Sylphid in the Ro16.

Then won the semi-final match in the KSL2 against Rain 4:3.

So that's 4 tournament wins against the two top protosses he's faced (he has a 3:2 versus Movie and 3:1 vs Jaehoon in the KSL2 too) in that timespan. No other tournament matches. We can agree at this point in time he had a good tournament record versus Protoss, yes? 8-5 vs Rain in three matches total, plus another 7-3 versus the other three players makes for a total of 15-8, which is about 65% winrate between ASL6 and the end of KSL2. He won all of his six matches against Protoss in that timeframe.

He's been getting figured out lately, in my opinion, and so got beaten 3:1 by Rain in KSL3 and then 2:0 by Horangee in the ASL8 wildcard.

This makes it 16-13, not that impressive, I admit, and a 9-8 record against Rain, who is the most consistently performing Protoss player around. And, to be honest, trends and latest results show form better, that's why we're considering results from the last year or so and not his 3:0 loss at the hands of Shuttle in ASL1, which was close to three years ago; you beat a good guy who's been performing well lately - you're doing something right. ASL samples are rather small even if we consider all the seasons, plus form tends to vary widely in time, as you said, and mappools tend to change stuff.

My point for Stork is that he's not decrepit - I'll say that again, in the KSL he destroyed defending ASL champion Last 3:0, he destroyed JD (who I'll admit is not in good shape at all, but then again, we thought Stork wasn't either) 3:0, he schooled Best 3:0. I do not think Stork is decrepit, he is in fine shape lately and I hope this will continue. If you have any evidence Stork's latest form is not good, I'd like to see it. I'm not saying he's dominant but there's a large gap between decrepit and dominant, I hope you'll agree.

On July 16 2019 05:51 TiQ.SinGi wrote:
"He's just okay or above-average vP"

scrolling a bit further down:

"For example, at no point did I ever say Sharp is mediocre vP."

I mean, do you hear yourself when you are typing this kind of stuff? Also, should cool it with all the negative attitudes. As far as the ASL group thread goes, all I have seen is you disrespecting almost every progamer you want to "discuss." Maybe I'm just interpreting your posting the wrong way, but it seems very arrogant and hostile.

Edit: Never one to derail sorry, the matches for this group were really great! Glad Sharp & Stork made it out. Calm vs Stork was epic, Stork REALLY picking up his stride now. Dino Toss <3

On July 17 2019 00:16 Dazed. wrote:
You ask us how old we are when you literally shift what you are saying WITHIN one post and then again immediately after. You did say he was mediocre. You did justify it with stats. You then dismissed small sample sizes as meaningless.