EPT[KSL3] Ro16 Day 10 - Group C/D Final Match - Page 11
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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United States8150 Posts
On May 18 2019 18:26 Miragee wrote: Eh, Stork was fantastic with Shuttles back in the day iirc? Actually he had fantastic everything back in the day, unless he was playing WoW instead of practicing BW... I don't think his mechanics are better than in the Kespa era. Just no, actually. But he has improved so much from the last tourney, it's incredible. yeah people are acting like Stork had noticeably inadequate mechanics back in the kespa days but as far as I remember he was incredibly good (like top3-top5 protoss) in mechanics in pretty much every category. He had notably lower APM than most pros (although still way higher than Movie lol) but his eAPM was quite good if I remember correctly. Like his strategic play is what put him over the top but he was still also one of the best in every other category. Watch his Incruit OSL run, he fucking destroys everyone. Although a caveat was that he was probably the most inconstant of the TBLS group, with more slumps than any of them and did way worse in proleague (although almost definitely had more finals/semifinals/quarterfinals appearances than bisu, especially from 2010-2012 ). I think people tend to exaggerate aspects of people's play too much. Like how because Stork was most known for his PvT people acted like his PvZ was awful even though he was actually also quite good at it (top 3 peak PvZ ELO). Or how people forget that Jaedong had amazing late-game TvZ skills (arguably the best ever during his peak) but since he was even better at just killing Ts with early-mid game aggression that is the only part people remember about him. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Indeed Stork has been basically sleeping except a few great showings like in ASL 4 v Last and then 5 or 6 that great storm drop and group win against Horang2 so I'm holding my breath until the series against Best but I think there is now plenty of reasons for hope. Hoping to see a solid win against Best. I'd add to the discussion about mechanics that I see it as a dormant skill such as cycling. Given that Stork would play maybe 30 games a month or so and now plays double, triple for months while obviously his skill won't match the pro days it is expected that his mechanics will get smoother and better with the increased repetition of game-skills being in use. | ||
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Rasalased
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On May 19 2019 12:59 Alpha-NP- wrote: After Stork beat Jaedong AND Last, I can see the argument that the sky is the limit for this guy. He might just upset Best and Mini. Mini if his nerves crack. I'd think Best is a harder opponent than Mini vP for Stork. Not sure about and can't check right now his spon record vs them but that's my hunch. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
If you watch their streams even semi-regularly you'll see that Rain automatically resorts to Best to train for a tournament if he has a PvP on the line. Personally I think Snow is in the discussion as well but his style and build choices are a bit more flaky than those of Best. However, it's still PvP so by default the margins are quite small, especially at the top pro level. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
Stork is a very rare circumstance. He is a former champion who has defeated g.o.a.ts until he became one. Former champions have a special type of capability in the later stages of tournaments. My example is from the chess world, Vishey Anand after losing his title and being ranked outside of the top 5 was able to fight his way back to next world championship qualifying over players that regularly out perform him and out rate him. Experience plays a huge role in broodwar success. I am not predicting a Stork win, but at this point he is a near coin flip versus anyone. The first game of each match will most likely give us a the clues we need as to "which stork showed up". Tournament wise: Soulkey is hard to pick against, esp with so few terran and no zergs. There are only interesting matchups left no matter who wins. Maybe it's temporal bias but this KSL has been way better then the last (despite my dude losing  ) | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
Stork can't help himself to not make carriers (c) Tastosis | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
TLPD is beyond me these days, if I could find the awesome I would. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5006 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 20 2019 02:12 AttackZerg wrote: My only Best PvP memory is that he pulled off some crazy winrate at one point. 88% or something nutty. TLPD is beyond me these days, if I could find the awesome I would. A winning streak of 17 games between April and October in 2008. Best's PvP is historically slightly better than Stork's and I'm not sold on the resurrection of the latter, I think and hope Best will at least reach KSL's finals. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
Back in the day, Stork's PvP was strong, and indeed his reaver+shuttle control was top tier, he was one of the people doing the whole "reaver as midgame battle, not harass unit" stuff since wayyyyy back when | ||
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United States8150 Posts
On May 20 2019 11:11 Turbovolver wrote: Yeah I don't know why there are people saying that Stork's control was always horrible. It's certainly looked horrible in the recent PvPs of his I've seen, and so the observation that his control was suboptimal here but it didn't matter because of his amazing PvT strategy feels right. Back in the day, Stork's PvP was strong, and indeed his reaver+shuttle control was top tier, he was one of the people doing the whole "reaver as midgame battle, not harass unit" stuff since wayyyyy back when IIRC he was basically killing every terran in 2007-2008 with reaver into 2-base carrier until flash created a build tailor-made to stop it basically. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
in the end i never expected much of a 30+ year old dude with a family to feed, his overall control, decision making and experience still impresses me anyway | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On May 20 2019 06:19 Xain0n wrote: A winning streak of 17 games between April and October in 2008. Best's PvP is historically slightly better than Stork's and I'm not sold on the resurrection of the latter, I think and hope Best will at least reach KSL's finals. Thank you, and if I am at all accurate, wasn't that streak from his breakout into the pro scene up through a a few leagues. I think he dominated pvp is for a while. I guese 6 months without a loss is a long time. Best is one of the few pro gamers whose modern play does not resemble in anyway his old play at all. I remember him as god macro toss in pvz and pvt and a force of nature in pvp. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
The revival of Brood War's golden age. We need new blood to cement it. But this is a lot of fun as is. | ||
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