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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 17 2019 15:49 GMT
#181
I remember the days when Best was monster PvP and everyone was confident he's unbeatable in PvP. Until he met Stork. If you think Rain can stop Stork, read some history books kids.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
May 17 2019 15:56 GMT
#182
Rain can beat Stork and Rain will beat Stork. Stork has been getting knocked out by Rain in recent tournaments.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 17 2019 15:58 GMT
#183
On May 18 2019 00:49 arbiter_md wrote:
I remember the days when Best was monster PvP and everyone was confident he's unbeatable in PvP. Until he met Stork. If you think Rain can stop Stork, read some history books kids.


Stork is one of the KeSpa player who transitioned the worst, he has been a pale shade of his former self.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
May 17 2019 15:59 GMT
#184
Rain already did beat Stork 3:0 and was head and shoulders above him in that series.

But we have Best/Stork now, don't we?
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
May 17 2019 16:32 GMT
#185
Btw major brag rights for me. I called the exact maps that mini needed to win on. Getting cross game to close was a nice present for him.

The keys to Mini’s success come in how he handles his opening builds and his map draws. The maps he wants to play on are Circuit Breakers, Cross Game, and Overwatch.


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oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2937 Posts
May 17 2019 16:36 GMT
#186
Yup and best v stork will be a good series. As much as I love stork, Rain has the best PvP in the history of BW and can lose the Rock Paper Scissors aspect of the matchup but still win.
Fuck KeSPA.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19398 Posts
May 17 2019 17:28 GMT
#187
On May 18 2019 01:36 oshibori_probe wrote:
Yup and best v stork will be a good series. As much as I love stork, Rain has the best PvP in the history of BW and can lose the Rock Paper Scissors aspect of the matchup but still win.

Bisu would like to say otherwise. He could have an arguably higher score if he didn't go to the military and he holds the highest elo peak in the Kespa era.

Post-Kespa
Bisu vP: 23-3 (88.46%)

Rain vP: 27-8 (77.14%)


Bisu also had a similar record between the end of 2008 and 2009 where his record was 25 wins - 5 losses (83.33%) . It took him six months and over 30 games before he recorded two consecutive losses in the matchup.

To wrap it up, Rain has only played Bisu once in his career and lost in that match. However, it was an amazing game and he truly is a worthy disciple of Bisu. He just can't be considered the greatest.


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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
May 17 2019 18:43 GMT
#188
Stork has been playing excellently recently so the surprise isn't that he won but the dominating margin of victory. Time will tell if it's just a flash in the pan.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
May 17 2019 19:14 GMT
#189
Damn. I hope Stork wins KSL.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7104 Posts
May 17 2019 19:47 GMT
#190
i def. wasn't a believer but yeah gonna be rooting for Stork to win this thing from here on out.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7696 Posts
May 17 2019 20:09 GMT
#191
Who was the pvp that rain won fairly dominantly last season, was it mini?

I seem to remember some protoss pressing him fairly hard, failing at a large goon attack and getting judo slammed into the ground?

PvP is very unforgiving and if I am remembering correctly, Rain has been beastly +70%(?).

If we use Last as a metric, Stork looked miles better but Rain is a repeat champion for a reason. He controls match tempo better then anyone else. He is the reverse Soulkey, who seems to be okay with any game fork and equally prepared to improv or just run a build script.

Normally, 1 zerg would have me bummed, but this will be a great ro8 regardless.


nahyunjung
Profile Joined October 2018
40 Posts
May 17 2019 20:56 GMT
#192
On May 18 2019 00:49 arbiter_md wrote:
I remember the days when Best was monster PvP and everyone was confident he's unbeatable in PvP. Until he met Stork. If you think Rain can stop Stork, read some history books kids.


What do I need a history book for? Rain just beat Stork 3-0 April 26th lol... Anyways they would both have to make the finals if they're going to play again in this tournament and I really don't see that happening. Lots of interesting matchups coming up regardless of the results.
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
May 17 2019 23:28 GMT
#193
Stork has really good PvT strategy, but you could see his control wasn't truly top tier. Forgotten shuttles, dragoons not pulled back at the right movement.
In PvP it's hard to play around someone who is superior with unit control and army movement, like Rain.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2053 Posts
May 17 2019 23:50 GMT
#194
On May 18 2019 08:28 Chronopolis wrote:
Stork has really good PvT strategy, but you could see his control wasn't truly top tier. Forgotten shuttles, dragoons not pulled back at the right movement.
In PvP it's hard to play around someone who is superior with unit control and army movement, like Rain.


Stork's always been like that though lol
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Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-18 01:30:46
May 18 2019 01:30 GMT
#195
On May 18 2019 08:50 razorsuKe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2019 08:28 Chronopolis wrote:
Stork has really good PvT strategy, but you could see his control wasn't truly top tier. Forgotten shuttles, dragoons not pulled back at the right movement.
In PvP it's hard to play around someone who is superior with unit control and army movement, like Rain.


Stork's always been like that though lol


Yeah, it's true. I'm just saying the excellence he demonstrated yesterday isn't going to be particularly helpful when facing off against Rain.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 18 2019 01:36 GMT
#196
On May 18 2019 10:30 Chronopolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2019 08:50 razorsuKe wrote:
On May 18 2019 08:28 Chronopolis wrote:
Stork has really good PvT strategy, but you could see his control wasn't truly top tier. Forgotten shuttles, dragoons not pulled back at the right movement.
In PvP it's hard to play around someone who is superior with unit control and army movement, like Rain.


Stork's always been like that though lol


Yeah, it's true. I'm just saying the excellence he demonstrated yesterday isn't going to be particularly helpful when facing off against Rain.
? intelligence and well crafted builds work wonders in every match up, which is why stork was historically dominant. He certainly wasnt winning his pvps based on his mechanical superiority...
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3479 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-18 07:23:09
May 18 2019 07:22 GMT
#197
I just realized that Stork's mechanics may be be better then his younger self (He may not be top dog in micro or army movement but he is no pushover either). Quite impressive for a guy whos TLDP starts in 2004.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
May 18 2019 08:47 GMT
#198
As Artosis mentioned that Stork was always mentioned with the other three big ones (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu) but wasn't as great. Well, in terms of skill he actually was. He didn't accomplish as much in regards to tournament wins but he held an overall even win-lose percentage against all three of the others, which speaks for itself imho.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
May 18 2019 09:26 GMT
#199
On May 18 2019 10:30 Chronopolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2019 08:50 razorsuKe wrote:
On May 18 2019 08:28 Chronopolis wrote:
Stork has really good PvT strategy, but you could see his control wasn't truly top tier. Forgotten shuttles, dragoons not pulled back at the right movement.
In PvP it's hard to play around someone who is superior with unit control and army movement, like Rain.


Stork's always been like that though lol


Yeah, it's true. I'm just saying the excellence he demonstrated yesterday isn't going to be particularly helpful when facing off against Rain.


Eh, Stork was fantastic with Shuttles back in the day iirc? Actually he had fantastic everything back in the day, unless he was playing WoW instead of practicing BW...

On May 18 2019 16:22 Malongo wrote:
I just realized that Stork's mechanics may be be better then his younger self (He may not be top dog in micro or army movement but he is no pushover either). Quite impressive for a guy whos TLDP starts in 2004.


I don't think his mechanics are better than in the Kespa era. Just no, actually. But he has improved so much from the last tourney, it's incredible.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 18 2019 10:24 GMT
#200
Before jumping aboard Stork's hype train I would wait for him to convincingly beat a consistent opponent.
Nowadays, Jaedong is sadly gone and Last may appear from Flashlike to b-tier before of his wrists; Best should be a much more meanigful test.
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