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[KSL3] Ro16 Day 8 - Group D Winners/Losers Matches
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AttackZerg
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On May 10 2019 17:05 Kimb3r wrote: Any qualified predictions here? Will Jaedong win this? How good is Stork these days? Stork goes from playing fantasic long games, to very awkward blunderful games on a weekly basis. He is not near his peak (although pvt he can snipe anyone). Jaedong has been completely unreliable zvt for a while now. And zvz there are smarter zergs and zergs with better muta micro (lings he maybe king still) BUT.... his ZvP has been consistently powerful in match play. Not long ago he beat rain and snow very convincingly. As unsure of a bet as Jaedong has become... it is hard to imagine him losing a match to anyone who isn't mini or rain. Weird history throwback - when Jaedong first began to rise up, he was considered (justifiably imo) a terrible zvp player. Then he had to face a full form Stork in his breakout tournament. In the time between the semi and the finals, he invented an entire new approach to zvp and how to deal with what was called "the bisu build" (back then it was any cannon fe into sair that wasn't reaver). This was stage 2 of the final build he debuted against bisu on blue storm... the build that changed all zvp forever - 3 hat lair - 5 hat - counter toss from there. Anyone interested in an epic war youtube it. Top form Jaedong v Top form bisu. 45 minutes of era defining greatness. Sorry for the length. Jaedong hwaiting! | ||
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Last is starting to look better to me then Flash. Just such precision. | ||
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Miragee
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On May 10 2019 19:19 AttackZerg wrote: Last and Rain look so frickin clean (so far in g1) Last is starting to look better to me then Flash. Just such precision. I haven't seen Flash play in a long while but yeah, Last's play has been incredible in the past months and has still been steadily increasing. I can't believe how strong his TvP has gotten when he was pretty "bad" at it for the longest time of his career. The main reason here might be his execution during pushes. It's just so precise as you called it. On May 10 2019 19:29 NoS-Craig wrote: 2-1 did wonders that game. I thought Rain was going to crush that attack with a flank but he barely had any interceptors. Rain didn't even have any upgrades whatsoever and it showed. | ||
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Wonk
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On May 10 2019 19:47 KamMoye wrote: Breaks after every match suck yeah, they used to have it after every 2nd game, it was perfect. why did they change it i wonder? | ||
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On May 10 2019 20:00 NoS-Craig wrote: What a giant throw. Just 1 wraith and he wins. Was that a mistake or did he want to skip that corner as well and didn't scout the robo bay? I think it was at the top of Rain's base. Either way, he probably should have built it. He was so far ahead that he didn't need to cut that corner. | ||
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What I'm really sad about is the fact that Jaedong's chances of getting out of this group are looking pretty grim now. | ||
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Mindhuking Last takes an impressive player. | ||
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On May 10 2019 20:33 radadaundandan wrote: Holy, Stork has put up some weight it seems. Switch nick to Pelikan? lol | ||
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On May 10 2019 21:08 Miragee wrote: PvZ of the current era in a nutshell: Drop a DT in the main and kill at least 10 drones. Why does nobody of these zerg players have an overlord in the main EVER? I don't get it. The corsairs chased them all away I guess? | ||
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Miragee
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On May 10 2019 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The corsairs chased them all away I guess? Jaedong had ovi speed for a long time. Just send one back there. In some other games this is true, especially when most zergs upgrade ovi speed later than Jaedong does. But here? The corsairs spent most of their time in the upper part of the map or at home iirc... | ||
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Didn't expect Stork to be so strong. He really played super well.fark my liquidbet. 0-2 again, LOL | ||
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On May 10 2019 21:44 Arvendilin wrote: Oh hell yea, now Stork only needs to beat Last, easy ! Well Stork kicked Last out of ASL 4 in Round of 24 Group B playing a beautiful game on Fighting Spirit. There is hope! | ||
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Xain0n
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On May 10 2019 21:50 Lorch wrote: Well Stork kicked Last out of ASL 4 in Round of 24 Group B playing a beautiful game on Fighting Spirit. There is hope! I would be extremely surprised to see Stork beating Last right now; the matchup makes more likely to happen but still... | ||
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Wonk
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On May 10 2019 21:43 oEkY wrote: 2/2 liquibets, hooray 0/2 today, 0/2 yesterday Stork was super solid today. More solid than I've seen him in a long while, whatever that baby did to him has turned around his play, props to the kid. Really sad to see jaedong go out like this. He wasn't playing bad today, but damn it hurts to see him beaten like this. At least we got an awesome macro game out it, right? | ||
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Turbovolver
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Screw you Rain, though. None of your wins really showed any incredible skill (seriously why do we have someone in here ranting about how incredible Rain's "little moves" are while he's winning proxy gate vs 14cc lolol). I'll give you that Last blundered hard in game 3. Stork vs Last to come now, what a heartbreaker I guess the two of you would just be too beautiful for this tournament. | ||
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On May 10 2019 23:55 Turbovolver wrote: Beautiful play from Stork, that was so wonderful <3 Screw you Rain, though. None of your wins really showed any incredible skill (seriously why do we have someone in here ranting about how incredible Rain's "little moves" are while he's winning proxy gate vs 14cc lolol). I'll give you that Last blundered hard in game 3. Stork vs Last to come now, what a heartbreaker I guess the two of you would just be too beautiful for this tournament. I admit Rain is pretty cheesy, but his micro is really good. | ||
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KSL cheer kr KSL cheers KSL Rain interview KSL cheers / Storks nickname KSL Cheer | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Rain didn't make Last all-in on Colosseum. Rain didn't make Last not build a wraith or go into drop with almost no ground army. Playing such high stakes, high risk situations takes incredible skill and Last (except the terrible 14cc) played really good. Cheese is how bad players describe getting mindhuked and schooled. Rain tasted Lasts mid game in game one and noped the hell out of it. Very strong play. | ||
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razorsuKe
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On May 11 2019 03:29 nurle wrote: Guess the era of the tyrant is over That era ended September 22, 2012 | ||
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Turbovolver
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On May 11 2019 05:07 AttackZerg wrote: Rain didn't make Last CC first. Rain didn't make Last not build a wraith or go into drop with almost no ground army. Of course not. On May 11 2019 05:07 AttackZerg wrote:Rain didn't make Last all-in on Colosseum. Actually yeah he did, considering that was a response to the disastrous early game. On May 11 2019 05:07 AttackZerg wrote:Playing such high stakes, high risk situations takes incredible skill and Last (except the terrible 14cc) played really good. Playing high risk situations requires less skill. The more variance you can introduce into the game (say, by going for very all-in builds) the more it favours you as the weaker player. On May 11 2019 05:07 AttackZerg wrote:]Cheese is how bad players describe getting mindhuked and schooled. I certainly didn't say "cheese". On May 11 2019 05:07 AttackZerg wrote:Playing such high stakes, high risk situations takes incredible skill and Last (except the terrible 14cc) played really good. Rain tasted Lasts mid game in game one and noped the hell out of it. Very strong play. Precisely! Rain realised he was the inferior player and decided to inject as much variance into the process as possible. The second zealot in game 2, the stupidly early nexus in game 3, and the proxy gate in game 4. That's not skill, unless you're saying that "realising you're inferior and going for high variance builds as a result" is skill, but then every Bnet 4pooler is carrying out your "very strong play", as you call it. We saw the same thing happen in their last meetup. Last went up 3-0, then Rain realised he was just plain and simple outclassed, and started going for way more high-variance builds. He got lucky with BO choices (even a skilled Rock-Paper-Scissors player is shooting for what, a 65%-70% winrate, so please don't act like it's some incredible display of skill to select the right builds in a sample size of ~5) and suddenly Rain equalised it to 3-3. Last, the superior player, won the last game and took the series 4-3. Note of course that a Bo7 does more to reduce the effects of variance than a Bo5. You, meanwhile, fail to see all these effects of stochasticity and only blindly analyse the results right in front of you. You're still calling Last's 14cc "horrible" while calling Rain's proxy gate genius. Really? Looks to me like they both went for a risky build and Rain happened to choose right, to me. The right thing to say would be Last shouldn't be going risky moves like 14cc. But that's only true if he's the superior player. | ||
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On May 11 2019 10:07 Turbovolver wrote: Of course not. Actually yeah he did, considering that was a response to the disastrous early game. Playing high risk situations requires less skill. The more variance you can introduce into the game (say, by going for very all-in builds) the more it favours you as the weaker player. I certainly didn't say "cheese". Precisely! Rain realised he was the inferior player and decided to inject as much variance into the process as possible. The second zealot in game 2, the stupidly early nexus in game 3, and the proxy gate in game 4. That's not skill, unless you're saying that "realising you're inferior and going for high variance builds as a result" is skill, but then every Bnet 4pooler is carrying out your "very strong play", as you call it. We saw the same thing happen in their last meetup. Last went up 3-0, then Rain realised he was just plain and simple outclassed, and started going for way more high-variance builds. He got lucky with BO choices (even a skilled Rock-Paper-Scissors player is shooting for what, a 65%-70% winrate, so please don't act like it's some incredible display of skill to select the right builds in a sample size of ~5) and suddenly Rain equalised it to 3-3. Last, the superior player, won the last game and took the series 4-3. Note of course that a Bo7 does more to reduce the effects of variance than a Bo5. You, meanwhile, fail to see all these effects of stochasticity and only blindly analyse the results right in front of you. You're still calling Last's 14cc "horrible" while calling Rain's proxy gate genius. Really? Looks to me like they both went for a risky build and Rain happened to choose right, to me. The right thing to say would be Last shouldn't be going risky moves like 14cc. But that's only true if he's the superior player. You are confusing Last with Sharp! Sharp has been superior to Rain in TvP(winning 4-3 in KSL 2's semifinals the way you attributed to Last and 3-2 when they fought to get Flash's Spot in ASL 7), Rain beat Last 3-1 at BlizzCon Invitational before losing a very even series last ASL(2-3; if I remember correctly, Rain won at least one macro game in that situation). Last's worst matchup is TvP and, in 2019, Rain's PvZ seems better than his PvT; they seem, however, evenly matched, I see no superior player overall. If Last had Sharp's PvT(and no wrists problem) he woud dominate every tournament the way Flash did in 2017. | ||
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Turbovolver
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On May 11 2019 11:28 Turbovolver wrote: Hahahaha omg, I just remembered it was one of the Terrans I like and TL criminally underrates vs Rain who TL criminally overrates My bad >_> neither of that is true. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Doing whatever it takes is what makes winners and losers. Rain did anything and everything he could to win and it worked. My dig earlier about how bad players define cheese and interpit games was directed at you, and it stands. Winning is the metric. Last maybe the best terran in the world. Rain fought like a wildcat to get a win. After getting crushed in game one. Rain is a match beast and he had to do all that crazy shit and still won by the narrowest margins. There is a reason Last thought 14cc was a good play there. Your analogy about battle.net four poolers is why your argument is crap. This isn't a random pairing on some server. This is a prearranged match with a set amount of maps with a real person in front of you. If you have the courage to 4pool a pro gamer 3 times in a row and it works.... then you are fucking gosu. What so boxer bunker rushing yellow 3-0 is now an admission of inferiority? Jaedongs famous muta timing vs stork on Katrina - a sign of is weakness as a player? Get real it was a dope brawl of a match with both players needling each other from the start. Beating a better player ... makes you the better player. That is how this sport works. You win. The end. Rain did everything he could. That is what champions do. Why get butt hurt about someone complimenting a player? Salty like the dead sea, amigo. All of my comments have been accurate. If you even play this game at all, you will see tons of mini meta moves rain did all match (for good or bad). | ||
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Dazed.
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Precisely! Rain realised he was the inferior player and decided to inject as much variance into the process as possible. The second zealot in game 2, the stupidly early nexus in game 3, and the proxy gate in game 4. That's not skill, unless you're saying that "realising you're inferior and going for high variance builds as a result" is skill, but then every Bnet 4pooler is carrying out your "very strong play", as you call it. So skill is picking a generic low impact strategy again and again and out muscling your opponent? Thats an incredibly fucking narrow view of skill given this is a strategy game. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Cant say the same about his performance against Stork. While its true Stork played above expectations, its JDs lack of interest that fans will remember. And i dont think Tastosis have a crush on Rain at all... The guy keeps getting better and hes already the best. And i dont even understand why he doesnt cheese more often with the micro hes got. The blame is on Last especially on his 14cc opening. 14cc vs stork next week? Ok i get it. Vs Rain when your series is on the line? Think twice. | ||
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Turbovolver
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On May 11 2019 19:08 Dazed. wrote: So skill is picking a generic low impact strategy again and again and out muscling your opponent? Thats an incredibly fucking narrow view of skill given this is a strategy game. Hey, if "good at weighted rock paper scissors" is the kind of skill you want to see from your favourite Starcraft players, more power to you! I'll be over here enjoying it when Stork crushes JD with baller storms, and good harass and decision making, instead. Also AttackZerg, I'm not gonna really reply to your five paragraphs of ad hom and single argument "the more skilled player is the one who wins" (I disagree). But I'll just point out that no, when Boxer 3-0'd Yellow with bunker rushes, I wouldn't call that a very good demonstration of Boxer's skill. I mean I admit it's been ages since I saw the games, but I think it's safe to say many Terrans could have done the same thing in the same position. And you'll note that's precisely what I said in my original post here. "Those games weren't a very good demonstration of Rain's skill". If you want to actually go over all the small little things Rain apparently did that other Protoss wouldn't have, that would honestly be cool, and might increase my respect for him as a player. | ||
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Dazed.
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On May 11 2019 22:32 Turbovolver wrote: Hey, if "good at weighted rock paper scissors" is the kind of skill you want to see from your favourite Starcraft players, more power to you!Hey, if "good at weighted rock paper scissors" is the kind of skill you want to see from your favourite Starcraft players, more power to you! I'll be over here enjoying it when Stork crushes JD with baller storms, and good harass and decision making, instead. Also AttackZerg, I'm not gonna really reply to your five paragraphs of ad hom and single argument "the more skilled player is the one who wins" (I disagree). But I'll just point out that no, when Boxer 3-0'd Yellow with bunker rushes, I wouldn't call that a very good demonstration of Boxer's skill. I mean I admit it's been ages since I saw the games, but I think it's safe to say many Terrans could have done the same thing in the same position. And you'll note that's precisely what I said in my original post here. "Those games weren't a very good demonstration of Rain's skill". If you want to actually go over all the small little things Rain apparently did that other Protoss wouldn't have, that would honestly be cool, and might increase my respect for him as a player. Couple things to say to this: -Obviously last by going 14cc was making an economic gamble, and was trying to win just based on the "roll of the dice" right? but you give a pass to last and get angry about rains gamble? -it was not in fact a gamble, but a calculated decision---by the both of them-- to make the builds they did when they did. Clearly, by virtue of the fact that rain went proxy double gate vs 14 cc, we know which one got the better of eachother. That is a skill, its all about series play, player psychology, etc. The fact that your blind to this says a lot about you as a person. | ||
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Turbovolver
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On May 12 2019 03:45 Dazed. wrote: Hey, if "good at weighted rock paper scissors" is the kind of skill you want to see from your favourite Starcraft players, more power to you! Couple things to say to this: -Obviously last by going 14cc was making an economic gamble, and was trying to win just based on the "roll of the dice" right? but you give a pass to last and get angry about rains gamble? I'm not angry that Rain decided to gamble! Nowhere in the thread did I say Rain shouldn't have proxy gated, or that it was a bad move, or that I'm mad about it. If you're talking about me saying "Screw you Rain" then that was both a) fairly good natured in intention b) a response to the fact that he made it a Last vs Stork final match for the group I also didn't say that Last wasn't gambling! Indeed, I'll give it to you right here, 14cc is a bigger gamble than a single proxy gate in modern TvP! Last was absolutely gambling too, and in that game it didn't pan out. But when both players gamble and it leads to a hard BO win, it doesn't show much skill from the actual players, which is what I said! The stuff in a later post about Rain gambling because he realised he was inferior was proved to be bunk because the previous match where I was remembering that apparently happening was actually against Sharp On May 12 2019 03:45 Dazed. wrote: -it was not in fact a gamble, but a calculated decision---by the both of them-- to make the builds they did when they did. Clearly, by virtue of the fact that rain went proxy double gate vs 14 cc, we know which one got the better of eachother. That is a skill, its all about series play, player psychology, etc. Yes, this is competitive rock-paper-scissors. As I said, if you enjoy that aspect, good for you. The thing is, competitive rock-paper-scissors is played with many many rounds, to reduce variance. A single Starcraft Bo5 is not. So it's always a shame when games are decided by rock-paper-scissors, because the sample size isn't high enough to really indicate skill in "series play and player psychology", and the games generally aren't good enough to show much Starcraft skill. Why do you think PvP and ZvZ are the most unpopular matchups? They tend to lead to the most straight-up BO wins. On May 12 2019 03:45 Dazed. wrote: The fact that your blind to this says a lot about you as a person. Says a lot about the strawman you've constructed who rages every time a player he likes gets cheesed, maybe. Cuz that aint' me. On May 12 2019 03:27 Ej_ wrote: Stay salty about Last going 14cc vs the "inferior" player Got multiple people coming out of the woodwork just to complain about the fact that I said those games didn't display a great deal of skill so I'm wondering who are the salty ones... ...but arguing about who or who isn't salty isn't good thread-reading and it's a shame several of you have pushed the discussion there. This is the last shitting up of this thread I'm gonna do. | ||
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Malongo
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On May 12 2019 07:17 Turbovolver wrote: A lot of shit in this thread... I say you are just a salty hater. If you want to bring up concepts like variance, you need to define mean and give it a decent background (ie is your mean playing standar 3 base macro play?). In your best scenario you will end up trying to define a "normal" or "proper" way to play wich has been proven useless and also meaningless. Making small risk involved moves is actually the way all pros play and what you call RPS (and in my opinion is not) is all over Broowar history. | ||
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outscar
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STORK IS BACK BITCHES! That was damn fine showing up, solid macro, precise army movements, brilliant harassment. JD 0-6 is sad thought | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Broodwar lessons are often free. It is not ad homin to point out, that you are clearly a bad player. This effects your judgement and understanding of the proceedings. As a Category 2 or B player in chess, I am unqualified and often wrong in my own games, let alone reviewing the play of grandmasters, international masters or just regular national masters. Broodwar is not chess, the tournaments have never set out to find the most skilled player. No best of 100 has ever been proposed. There is no objective measure in tournament broodwar besides winning. You think what you think because you are too low to the ground to have perspective. If you hadn't dimissed every attempt to learn in this thread. I would have gladly explained Rains moves. But let's be real, you aren't trying to learn. You have fanboy non-player idealistic perspective of tournament broodwar and skill and keep posting to save face. | ||
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PVJ
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He had a similar crazy game to game 3 here against Soma in CMSL so I was afraid he wouldn't be able to close it out but this was classic Stork. The small strategic decisions which accrued him his wins are what makes me still excited to root for him. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On May 13 2019 02:51 PVJ wrote: What a satisfying series from Stork. ~~~ He had a similar crazy game to game 3 here against Soma in CMSL so I was afraid he wouldn't be able to close it out but this was classic Stork. The small strategic decisions which accrued him his wins are what makes me still excited to root for him. I agree. Sad Jaedong lost so resoundingly but an in form Stork is a good consolation. Him and Nal_ra hold a special place in my heart. They aren't the fastest but they are so smart. Commander and Chief of no mistakes hwaitng!! | ||
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
When it comes to Rain vs. Last i tell you the truth: Rain was just lucky to have his scarabs hit so well in game 3, because we know when it comes to scarab hits there is no such thing as skill, same with spider mines hitting dragoons. And then he gambled on Last's CC expand before Barracks in game 4, lucky punk. Game 1 clearly showed that Rain sucks as a filed strategist and nobody will tell me otherwise.. An S class protoss would never attack a sieged up terran on high ground unless 100 % confident that his superior army in numbers or upgrades would prevail, so wtf was that loosing all those zealots for nothing? He also did not make armor upgrades for interceptors, so they died just before returning to carriers. He won the second match very hard after he got a good initiative, he just barely held it. So Rain did not impress me here. He has to earn his respect in other ways than lucky scarabs and proxy gates vs. 14 CC. But Last is also not that good to deserve ''number one terran''. No way. He might be a better field strategist than Rain, but his decision making and his micro was what made his loose, and seems Rain has these attributes in quite a better quality. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
Starcraft isn't a game about playing standard every game, it's about winning. There's a reason why casters talk so much about psychological warfare; aside from the mechanics and builds it's about abusing the opponent's mindset to maximize in-game advantages. Faulting Rain for playing cheesy tactics and calling him an inferior player is like calling Boxer a shitty D tier player because he bunker rushed Yellow three times straight. It's on the player to be aware that cheesy plays can happen and modify builds around it. Last's early game was always historically weak, and it showed. | ||
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Ideas
United States8087 Posts
I don't know what his practice regiment was like for KSL (presumably he didn't stream while practicing) but every time I checked his stream the last month he was playing LoL. I'm not saying he didn't take KSL seriously or practice at all for it, but that drive to be the best and practice non-stop that made him the Tyrant back in the day isn't there any more (and probably for good reason as he doesn't want to sacrifice his health any more). I'm always going to love and cheer for JD, but I'm not mad that he can't play the way he used to any more. | ||
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JD's loss was a bit heartbreaking, though. Really well played by Stork, the way he was always on top. But JD just seemed...off. Cool to see Stork perform so well, but still a rather sad series. | ||
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