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[KSL3] Ro16 Day 6 - Group B Winners/Losers Matches
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BLinD-RawR
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oEkY
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3820 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3130 Posts
MisO kinda threw his lead away trying to bang down the natural. Maybe he felt he had to end the game because of the early CC. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2397 Posts
On May 03 2019 19:45 ShloobeR wrote: Oh boy that was such a poor midgame by Miso He got himself into a good spot, but I guess going right for hive was too greedy, the push arrived before he was anywhere near ready. | ||
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nojok
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Motivate
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Turbovolver
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NoS-Craig
Australia3130 Posts
Polls: Game 1 and 2 + Show Spoiler + Poll: Recommend MIsO vs Ample? Game 1? If you have time? (3) Yes (1) No (1) 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend MIsO vs Ample? Game 1? game 3 poll: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Turbovolver
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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NoS-Craig
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+ Show Spoiler + Poll: Recommend MIsO vs Ample? Game 4? If you have time? (4) No (1) Yes (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend MIsO vs Ample? Game 4? | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2397 Posts
And then Shine banks over 1k mins and gas because he's suuuuper supply blocked. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3130 Posts
Game 1 poll: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2397 Posts
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Turbovolver
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Turbovolver
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NoS-Craig
Australia3130 Posts
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Shine Game 2? Yes (3) If you have time (1) No (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Shine Game 2? | ||
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Wonk
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NoS-Craig
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Turbovolver
Australia2397 Posts
 Snow using the Coliseum structure to keep himself safe with highground cannons, so (much later) Shine gets his revenge by just parking his army on the highground and never lets Snow get a third until the game's already over. | ||
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2397 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2397 Posts
It was a sort of half-base-trade, but Snow just seems way up. | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3130 Posts
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Shine Game 4? If you have time (3) Yes (0) No (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Shine Game 4? | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
KSL camera on Tastosis casting games KSL Tastosis lets change bands name KSL Ample interview KSL cheer sign baneling KSL cheer signs - elephant eyes KSL Denzie KSL sign art KSL Tastosis make the canon KSL art cheer artosis KSL Tasteless makes more | ||
BisuDagger
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[AS]Rattus
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if he just had better map awareness, he might have won today. But all the time, scourges were rdy but he reacted not fast enough or not at all. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
Shine had nice ideas but outclassed Tasteless was in a hyper goofy and unfocused mood the second set, pretty annoying tbh but ultimately harmless | ||
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Ideas
United States8168 Posts
. Ample seems pretty solid, glad we'll have at least 1 T in the Ro8 now. Snow vs shine: shine just isn't looking as hot in zvp as he was 2 years ago. Snow played a lot better than he did vs miso, but shine's micro and multi-tasking seemed pretty off. Every single time snow harassed him he would get too distracted and lose a ton of hydras in his main army to storms. It seemed like a couple months ago that there were a ton of really good zerg players, but now it seems like soulkey is the only real killer zerg right now (especially with effort gone). But honestly I have no idea how his zvz is, seems like currently that MU is just as much of a toss-up as it's ever been. Hopefully he'll advance past action next week. Next week should have some really good MUs though, can't wait. | ||
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Miragee
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Dazed.
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19334 Posts
On May 04 2019 02:04 KamMoye wrote: Miso is waaay better than modesty Shine had nice ideas but outclassed Tasteless was in a hyper goofy and unfocused mood the second set, pretty annoying tbh but ultimately harmless Miso may be better at this very moment, but Modesty has the pedigree of being a legit kespa player during that era. Not that it matters though, I think both lack that spark you see in players that make deep runs in tournaments. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
And yeah obviously, there are like 6 legit players right now | ||
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Miragee
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On May 04 2019 11:17 KamMoye wrote: Modesty was never a legit Kespa player. He was a v Z sniper. You're thinking of a player like Roro And yeah obviously, there are like 6 legit players right now Agreed. I find it hilarious if Tastosis says everyone is so much better at everything right now than back in the Kespa days, barring a few exceptions. I think their view is very skewed and the most best for them is always the present. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
On May 04 2019 15:04 Miragee wrote: Agreed. I find it hilarious if Tastosis says everyone is so much better at everything right now than back in the Kespa days, barring a few exceptions. I think their view is very skewed and the most best for them is always the present. this is just for the cast - Tastosis got to be excited about everything - the presumption is that you always have new viewers - a great tool to attract them to the game is if you are excited about anything "being the best move" It was pissing me off, right now i got used to it - sometimes it's hilarious to see how even bad mistakes are considered as "the best move" :D :D | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19334 Posts
On May 04 2019 15:04 Miragee wrote: Agreed. I find it hilarious if Tastosis says everyone is so much better at everything right now than back in the Kespa days, barring a few exceptions. I think their view is very skewed and the most best for them is always the present. I feel like you guys keep misinterpreting me. Modesty was fielded as a player during the kespa era for more then one game. He became a regular B tier player enough times that I remember his name. Someone like backho or rock is a good example of a B tier player we all know who was pretty average too. Modesty also did have a great streak in the sonic era and it wasn't just versus Terran. He actually played well versus all races in 2014 and almost looked versatile. Then he left the scene until now were it looks like he has hit a reset. I'm not saying cause he was a kespa player he is a God, just that I think he has reached a greater level then miso in his career. | ||
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Motivate
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On May 04 2019 11:17 KamMoye wrote: Modesty was never a legit Kespa player. He was a v Z sniper. You're thinking of a player like Roro And yeah obviously, there are like 6 legit players right now yep, pretty much the only reason why modesty was kept around was to snipe jaedong (remember JvZ?) he never really lived up to it and was pretty unsuccessgul vs jaedong | ||
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Miragee
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On May 04 2019 18:21 BlueStar wrote: this is just for the cast - Tastosis got to be excited about everything - the presumption is that you always have new viewers - a great tool to attract them to the game is if you are excited about anything "being the best move" It was pissing me off, right now i got used to it - sometimes it's hilarious to see how even bad mistakes are considered as "the best move" :D :D Uhm, I can live with the general exaggerations but you don't have to lie. Like, just leave out direct comparisons if it isn't true and everything is fine. | ||
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Ideas
United States8168 Posts
https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/735_2010_Bacchus_OSL | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
He didn't beat anyone tho except a ... ZvZ vs Hydra If you're saying modesty was better than rock or backho... sure. Damning w/ faint praise. Was he ever elo'd t30 back in the day? And 2014 was a BW nadir. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On May 07 2019 02:01 KamMoye wrote: Didnt beat anyone? Fantasy, kal, skyhigh and pure [skyhigh was quite good, and iirc pure was still in decent form]. It was a respectable run. The difference one should expect from a player of modestys caliber and background simply is more than someone like Miso. https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/735_2010_Bacchus_OSL/games He didn't beat anyone tho except a ... ZvZ vs Hydra If you're saying modesty was better than rock or backho... sure. Damning w/ faint praise. Was he ever elo'd t30 back in the day? And 2014 was a BW nadir. | ||
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Ideas
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
Skyhigh a vT sniper, Pure career sub-40% winrate vs Zerg. Give a mediocre player enough opportunities over acareer and they'll have one or two shining moments, sure. But look at the bracket. He won a bo1 over Fantasy and beat a couple of his mediocre B-listers. Variance. When was he top 30? Kespa was pretty stacked. Modesty got regularly deployed in proleague on one of the worst teams, sure. Almost never made any noise, and it was never sustainable. A list type players back then: Bogus, stats, roro, hydra, zero, best, stork, bisu, flash, mind, sea, leta, jaedong, effort, calm... I'm getting lazy but I could name another 15 players. even dudes like yellow/july/fbh were more reliable up until the very end. For the record I consider roro the gatekeeper of what was A lister. He was the definition of a super solid, super boring standard macro Zerg who rarely lost to people below him and rarely beat t8 talent. God I just spent way too much time thinking about modesty Id be surprised if modesty had a > winrate than miso, either over the past two years or over the next two | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On May 07 2019 09:34 KamMoye wrote: Pure was a solid A team player at the time, on the cusp of being a top 5 protoss. Skyhigh was actually a solid terran player at the time, his decline came later and was sharp. No ones trying to debate that modesty was this great player, but he was a solid kespa player who got fairly regular play in proleague, he did, in fact, make it fairly deep in a league. You can make excuses for any run, the fact is he did it, he beat legitimate players on stage in macro games.He did beat Fantasy in a bo1. Pure and skyhigh were bo3s, sure. But they weren't good players. Kal used to be great, but iirc after his semis or finals run he was never the sams and his career fell apart quickly. Dont remember what ahape he was in when modesty beat him. If he was in t10 shape, fine, sure, even a bo1 over two t10-type players is impressive. Skyhigh a vT sniper, Pure career sub-40% winrate vs Zerg. Give a mediocre player enough opportunities over acareer and they'll have one or two shining moments, sure. But look at the bracket. He won a bo1 over Fantasy and beat a couple of his mediocre B-listers. Variance. When was he top 30? Kespa was pretty stacked. Modesty got regularly deployed in proleague on one of the worst teams, sure. Almost never made any noise, and it was never sustainable. A list type players back then: Bogus, stats, roro, hydra, zero, best, stork, bisu, flash, mind, sea, leta, jaedong, effort, calm... I'm getting lazy but I could name another 15 players. even dudes like yellow/july/fbh were more reliable up until the very end. For the record I consider roro the gatekeeper of what was A lister. He was the definition of a super solid, super boring standard macro Zerg who rarely lost to people below him and rarely beat t8 talent. God I just spent way too much time thinking about modesty Id be surprised if modesty had a > winrate than miso, either over the past two years or over the next two | ||
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Ideas
United States8168 Posts
Sorry this is turning into a Kal nostalgia post but damn I love that guy, he had the most fun shuttle play to watch in the entire world. He pretty much always came up short when the pressure was on against true S-class players, but he was consistent as hell for years. Apparently according to liquipedia he won the Protoss player of the year award in 2010?! Kal rules, too bad he didn't come back to BW (apparently he had a botched chin surgery?) | ||
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Poland4252 Posts
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Artas1984
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