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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4768 Posts
October 04 2018 18:03 GMT
#401
I got emotional to see Jeadong winning vs Flash in the finale game, then he threw his units away and became sad. The second Flash pushed and there weren't lurkers on the map, he was done for.
He MIGHT've held that with less hydras, a few more lurkers and more lings, but I'm not sure. So diffult to hold that without dark swarm.
Taxes are for Terrans
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
October 04 2018 18:38 GMT
#402
Jaedong's play is 100% just a series of forcing moves, he decides on something and couldn't care less if the odds are in his favor or not, so much so that some moves are just completely unachievable even in the best of scenarios, he either dominates or gets dominated, there's no real nuance to it. We could see that clearly in the final game in which a more strategical zerg would've navigated the lead into a victory, but then again, another zerg might not have gotten that lead - the result of a very forced move - in the first place.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
937 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 18:47:36
October 04 2018 18:47 GMT
#403
This shit again? Seriously YT starting to get to my nerves.
:3
Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 19:30:33
October 04 2018 19:28 GMT
#404
I've been ok watching the VODs directly from afreeca lately. However, before that, I had success using youtube-dl and then watching the downloaded .mp4 files.

for the afreeca vods. eg:
./youtube-dl http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/37472710


(not tried this in windows, but there is a windows executable on the youtube-dl site)
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
October 04 2018 19:53 GMT
#405
I just watched the games. Man, that was an exciting day!

The first game between JD and Flash was vintage JD, capitalizing on early aggression and ling control to set up a superior position for a later play, which outright killed Flash.

Action vs Light was one of the most entertaining series I've watched in a while and kudos to whichever terran Action practiced this with. This was no improvisation and having a reliable opponent to practice this particular obscenity with is a great benefit.

Action then did great vs JD, they were trying to outplay each other tactically for quite a while in ZvZ terms (double digit game duration without major damage suffered by one player is rare in my ZvZ experience) and then Action had better scourge connections and the benefit of fast reinforcements. This guy is getting scary. Didn't he eliminate Soulkey last season and then beat Rain in the first match of their Ro16 group?

The TvT was Flash being an order of magnitude better at the matchup than Light. I really respect Light, but it is what it is.

And last game was so tense, the buildup to the big push at Flash's natural was pure genius by JD in my opinion. He never relented, never allowing Flash to play comfortably with the small numbers of units 1-1-1 has in that part of the game, forced him to invest in a bunch of turrets against mutas and slowing his tank considerably to bust his natural with hydralisks afterwards. The build order and larva management was so fluid and seamless I almost cheered for JD (and I never cheer for a zerg, especially in a ZvT). The major turning point was the two clutch irradiates, where JD either couldn't or didn't want to (he tried to in the first engagement) split his mutas, so he lost all of them, losing control over the air and allowing tanks to set up great defensive positions. Being hyper-aggressive and low-eco all game, he had lost there already. The science vessel is such a scary unit in the hands of a pro terran. When I play they're just expensive flying trash cans with a funny sound effect when they die; oh, and they provide detection for a bit before I lose them.

Congrats to Action, he really deserved his first place. I'm sad that JD was eliminated, but hey, Flash got to continue and one of them had to lose. We can't have it all

And there was someone that voted No in the poll about the first game between JD and Flash. I'm a terran fanboy and a Flash fanboy in particular, but nobody is allowed to be that salty.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
October 04 2018 20:06 GMT
#406
Jd had the zvz vs action in the palm of his hand sucks to see him lose that way, kind of typical jaedong apathy a few more minutes of defending the spores, pressing his drone advantage home and he takes the game and the group.
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2062 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 20:16:28
October 04 2018 20:15 GMT
#407
That absolutely sucked. Loved Action's play but seeing JD go out leaves a horrible taste in my mouth.

I don't think it would be a stretch to say that Action is definitely one of the favorites to take the whole tournament. Played exceptionally well.
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
perrin144
Profile Joined September 2018
United States5 Posts
October 04 2018 20:49 GMT
#408
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赌?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 21:50:58
October 04 2018 21:34 GMT
#409
Jesus Christ, JD, what the fuck. This is a train wreck. Throwing last two games like this is just disgusting to watch.
3z3ki3l
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany51 Posts
October 04 2018 21:37 GMT
#410
Wow im really speechless. JD should have won Game 2+3.
Maybe someone can explain JD's move in Game 2 to attack? He had all advantages as i could see it. More Drones & Spores. And why attack with all the lings 5 secs AFTER the Muta attack ended??
And what was he thinking in the game vs. Flash? Waisting all the Mutas. Idle Scourges. Even then he could have won it seemed. But waisted the rest of the army as well. While teching & droning up. What was the plan?

Uhhh i really didn't get all those decision. But maybe im just salty JD is out:D
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
October 04 2018 21:41 GMT
#411
On October 05 2018 00:03 Malinor wrote:
Jaedong's peak was 9 years ago. As much as we like to pretend otherwise, he has not been the same player since forever.
When he wins, it is incredible fun to watch, but his blunders are numerous.
With his execution based playstyle, his age is just showing. It is obvious to me that Flash's strategical and tactical genius is less prone to be affected by age (obviously Flash is fast, but speed and precision is more important for Jaedongs playstyle).

Despite making the KSL1 finals, I'd prefer Jaedong would have retired years ago. It is just too painful for me when he loses.

Flash is one of the youngest so speculating about age impact is irrelevant at least for him.
JD's peak was long ago is a known fact, thank you, but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't cheer for him, right?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 21:46:29
October 04 2018 21:46 GMT
#412
The game against Action gave me horrid flashbacks of a ZvZ vs Hogil which JD lost when nobody anticipated. Honestly, JD is the hardest player watch.

I was clenching fists during the final game in hope that JD overwhelms Flash and beats him twice... I am so sad, I can't go to bed without shouting and sharing my disappointment. I am sorry.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1685 Posts
October 04 2018 21:50 GMT
#413
Flash has such a free bracket. Lameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 22:06:27
October 04 2018 22:06 GMT
#414
There is nothing worse than BW games filled with unfulfilled expectations.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-04 22:39:34
October 04 2018 22:39 GMT
#415
On October 05 2018 06:50 ShowTheLights wrote:
Flash has such a free bracket. Lameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I think overall the brackets do not matter now, more or less all players who could put up a fight against Flash are already out of the tournament, probably rain is the only one left who is not 100% predictable outcome, so in that sense any bracket is free for flash and mini at least might be able to play 1 or 2 challenging games imo
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
EvanC
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada130 Posts
October 04 2018 22:47 GMT
#416
Flash did NOT look happy

Crying for JD. It wasn't cool to pick him, Flash.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
October 04 2018 23:30 GMT
#417
I am so fucking sad to see JD go out like this.

I can see why he lost the final game against Flash, even if he didn't get overly aggressive and lose so many mutas and hydras for nothing, his economy and tech was so far behind he didn't really have a big advantage even if he was on 3 bases vs 1 mining for flash.

But Flash had so many workers and all the tech he needed so he could mass units quickly as he retook his natural. Still, would've been a much better game if JD tried to defend that push instead of throwing so much away making the push a easy win for Flash. And it would've been a really exciting game from there if he was able to defend.

But he had a drone advantage and a much more powerful defensive position, why did he throw his mutas away against action??? Why didn't he just wait a bit more and build up his army and maybe do some harass? As he had spores protecting him against counter harass...

That action game made no sense to me.
nah
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
October 05 2018 00:11 GMT
#418
JvF for the past 10 offline games has been all about Jaedong throwing unconventional attack timings to Flash and hoping for the best.

4pool against 14cc does not work, hydra busts and ling all ins work sometimes, 2 hatch muta rarely not works. At that point he was just following his gut to do another all-in.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 05 2018 03:04 GMT
#419
This emotional roller coaster
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8025 Posts
October 05 2018 04:40 GMT
#420
On October 05 2018 04:53 TaardadAiel wrote:
I just watched the games. Man, that was an exciting day!

The first game between JD and Flash was vintage JD, capitalizing on early aggression and ling control to set up a superior position for a later play, which outright killed Flash.

Action vs Light was one of the most entertaining series I've watched in a while and kudos to whichever terran Action practiced this with. This was no improvisation and having a reliable opponent to practice this particular obscenity with is a great benefit.

Action then did great vs JD, they were trying to outplay each other tactically for quite a while in ZvZ terms (double digit game duration without major damage suffered by one player is rare in my ZvZ experience) and then Action had better scourge connections and the benefit of fast reinforcements. This guy is getting scary. Didn't he eliminate Soulkey last season and then beat Rain in the first match of their Ro16 group?

The TvT was Flash being an order of magnitude better at the matchup than Light. I really respect Light, but it is what it is.

And last game was so tense, the buildup to the big push at Flash's natural was pure genius by JD in my opinion. He never relented, never allowing Flash to play comfortably with the small numbers of units 1-1-1 has in that part of the game, forced him to invest in a bunch of turrets against mutas and slowing his tank considerably to bust his natural with hydralisks afterwards. The build order and larva management was so fluid and seamless I almost cheered for JD (and I never cheer for a zerg, especially in a ZvT). The major turning point was the two clutch irradiates, where JD either couldn't or didn't want to (he tried to in the first engagement) split his mutas, so he lost all of them, losing control over the air and allowing tanks to set up great defensive positions. Being hyper-aggressive and low-eco all game, he had lost there already. The science vessel is such a scary unit in the hands of a pro terran. When I play they're just expensive flying trash cans with a funny sound effect when they die; oh, and they provide detection for a bit before I lose them.

Congrats to Action, he really deserved his first place. I'm sad that JD was eliminated, but hey, Flash got to continue and one of them had to lose. We can't have it all

And there was someone that voted No in the poll about the first game between JD and Flash. I'm a terran fanboy and a Flash fanboy in particular, but nobody is allowed to be that salty.


Excellent post sir
It made me feel a lot better , cuz yesterday i was very very upset for my boy JD
Congrats to Flash and especially to Action !!
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