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Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-03 13:48:12
May 03 2018 08:14 GMT
#661
Good games.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4121 Posts
May 03 2018 10:20 GMT
#662
On May 03 2018 13:28 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2018 11:57 Dante08 wrote:
Anyone have the list of protosses Flash faced in his 11 year TvP reign? Really interested to see it.


The record is restricted to an offline, best-of-five setting only, and any online tournaments such as DanJJING StarLeague are going to be excluded from the list:

1. 3rd/4th place decider of Daum OGN StarLeague versus Stork

-> 0:3 defeat for Flash

2. Semi-finals of GomTV Invitational versus Anytime

-> 3:1 victory for Flash

3. Semi-finals of Bacchus 2008 OGN StarLeague versus Bisu

-> 3:1 victory for Flash

4. Finals of GomTV Invitational versus Stork

-> 3:2 victory for Flash

5. Finals of Bacchus 2008 OGN StarLeague versus Stork

-> 3:0 victory for Flash

6. Semi-finals of GomTV Classic S1 versus BackHo

-> 3:0 victory for Flash

7. Quarter-finals of NATE MSL versus BeSt

-> 3:0 victory for Flash

8. Finals of EVER 2009 OGN StarLeague versus Movie

-> 3:1 victory for Flash

9. Semi-finals of Korean Air OGN StarLeague S1 versus Pure

-> 3:0 victory for Flash

10. Semi-finals of Hana Daetoo MSL versus free

-> 3:0 victory for Flash

11. Semi-finals of Korean Air OGN StarLeague S2 versus free

-> 3:1 victory for Flash

-------------------------------------------------------------------- Streaming career begins after a hiatus from professional Brood War

12. Finals Sino-Korean Carnival versus Bisu

-> 3:2 victory for Flash

13. Quarter-finals of ASL S1 versus GuemChi

-> 3:1 victory for Flash

14. Semi-finals of ASL S4 versus Bisu

-> 3:1 victory for Flash

15. Quarter-finals of ASL S5 versus SnOw

-> 2:3 defeat for Flash

Excluding best-of-three series, and best-of-five series played in online tournaments, Flash retained an undefeated series streak versus the protoss race for 13 consecutive best-of-five matches, spanning across nearly eleven years.

Unless I am mistaken, this is the longest best-of-five winning streak within a particular match-up (restricted to LAN tournaments only) in the history of the game. NaDa managed 12 consecutive best-of-five series victories versus the zerg race during his peak (the longest streak if you limit the sample to professional Brood War games only), but I don't think anybody even comes close to what Flash did towards the protoss race.

Even Jaedong, who played more best-of-five series versus the protoss race than any other zerg in history, only managed a best-of-five win streak of 11 versus the protoss race (if you include the ASL quarter-finals series versus Stork).

A truly colossal achievement for SnOw, especially since Stork only managed his best-of-five victory in Flash's first ever professional tournament, and BeSt only managed his victory within an online setting.

The only notable protoss player who remained unscathed by Flash's massacre versus the protoss race was JangBi, who remains undefeated versus the terran race within a best-of-five setting (but his win streak versus the terran race is only four series long, then again, I can't think of any protoss players who won five consecutive best-of-fives in a row versus the terran race off the top of my head). A best-of-five series when both players were on form would have been interesting to see.

It is rather interesting that the only best-of-five defeats Flash suffered within a LAN setting over these eleven years were against relatively slower protoss players known for their immaculate reaver and carrier micro-management. Considering the exact opposite of that style is Bisu, known for his faster paced arbiter-centric style, perhaps these players had a stylistic mismatch on top of Bisu not being exactly godlike at the protoss-versus-terran match-up.


Wow thanks Letmelose you're the best!!
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
May 03 2018 11:40 GMT
#663
Absolutely beautiful series. Sublime play from both players. The pinnacle of PvT. Flash's decision-making was questionable though--if he made the decision to play as Protoss or Zerg like he said he would, he would have won 3-0 ezpz in my humble opinion.
mauwee
Profile Joined August 2013
Vatican City State78 Posts
May 03 2018 13:57 GMT
#664
Plentiful uncharacteristic micro fail by God.
If what you say is true the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1587 Posts
May 03 2018 16:08 GMT
#665
Mini vs Hero finals incoming?
SuperCyan
Profile Joined October 2017
Philippines67 Posts
May 03 2018 16:10 GMT
#666
On May 01 2018 20:08 Malongo wrote:
I don´t get why Snow didn´t get corsairs.


even if he was able to build equal number of corsairs to flash's wraiths, he would lose. the corsairs will die so fast against cloaked and upgraded wraiths
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28597 Posts
May 03 2018 16:33 GMT
#667
Corsairs slaughter wraiths incredibly fast, it's hard to pick off the observers without half the fleet dying in the meantime. It's doable if it's just one observer, but a good protoss will keep at least two with his aerial fleet if up against wraiths. And a group of like 8 corsairs completely melts a 12 wraith fleet, really, really fast. But he would never get to fight corsair vs wraith. Flash scans constantly and if he saw a couple stargates going up, he would immediately go into valkyrie production.
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SuperCyan
Profile Joined October 2017
Philippines67 Posts
May 03 2018 16:41 GMT
#668
Somewhere out there, Bisu would be proud. When the time comes for him to watch the VOD of this series, he would be really pleased. Super awesome games!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 03 2018 17:09 GMT
#669
that SCV transfer from the main to the 3rd in game one was 17 scvs dead even after he was behind. big mistake did not really notice how many he got the first time around. he should have lost at most 2 it's not like he didn't know the reaver was there and he sent all his scvs to the most exposed patch possible
get rich or die mining
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
May 03 2018 17:50 GMT
#670
Shine picked up Snow and then Flash removed Snow before Ro16, finally Flash met Snow at Ro8, Flash lost!

Asian people have idiom: If it's lucky exactly, it can't be unlucky. If it's unlucky, nobody can avoid it.
https://www.facebook.com/StarcraftRemasteredVN/
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
May 03 2018 17:57 GMT
#671
Even though I was rooting for Flash (as per routine), I whole-heartedly enjoyed this series. Excellent games.
Flash | Mvp
TonDan
Profile Joined May 2018
65 Posts
May 03 2018 18:57 GMT
#672
Asian people have idiom: If it's lucky exactly, it can't be unlucky. If it's unlucky, nobody can avoid it.

What's the translation in Vietnamese?
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
May 04 2018 00:31 GMT
#673
What's everyone's predictions for Hero vs Rain?
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1000 Posts
May 04 2018 02:19 GMT
#674
Can Rain takes a game in that series? Thats possible, but unlikely.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
May 04 2018 02:22 GMT
#675
The maps are supposed to be Protoss favored. An island map and a semi island map just as 2 examples.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1000 Posts
May 04 2018 04:36 GMT
#676
Yeah, we are now fully aware of it, thanks.
Hero is stronger than ever, and Rain is bored.

His natural talent might steal him a game, not 2.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 04 2018 06:55 GMT
#677
On May 04 2018 13:36 TornadoSteve wrote:
Yeah, we are now fully aware of it, thanks.
Hero is stronger than ever, and Rain is bored.

His natural talent might steal him a game, not 2.

strange you say that because as much as i've loved his play in both games, rain lately seems kind of... stale?
get rich or die mining
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polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1722 Posts
May 04 2018 07:03 GMT
#678
It's amazing that Snow won game 5. Usually when Flash has a stable base late game he would win. And I don't think anybody had that much success using Arbiter recall against Flash either.
Leee Jaee Doong
mdhk12
Profile Joined May 2018
1 Post
May 04 2018 07:16 GMT
#679
Flash still has a chance to get the seed spot for season6 since herO is leaving for armies. So like it happened when bisu left for season5, they will hold a tourny for that spot and Flash is most likely to get it.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
May 04 2018 07:29 GMT
#680
flash will definitely be back next season. i am 100% confident he will plow through all the quals of people so hyped to play against him and try to cheese him.. and progamers etc.
get rich or die mining
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